Detroit documentary

[Austin]

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[Agrippa]

Well, thats just Neoliberal propaganda crap.

Obviously the American automobile industry in the USA wasn't really that competitive for many, many reasons, definitely also mismanagement and outdated structures which worked decades ago, but can't compete with more modern approaches, let alone with the subsidised Chinese cheap-products.

In fact, the American policy on various levels helped to ruin that part of the industry in particular, but essentially most of the medium sized business and production in general, not just in Detroit, but Detroit's economy was based on that and suffered most probably.

Also, what this "funny guy" didn't mention was that Detroit was largely an artificial city from the start, because it was build around the automobile industry. Now this industry is down and little left.

So all the qualified white, Euro-American people left en masse, whereas the Afro-Americans still increased their numbers in certain areas. Now Detroit is largely a Negroid city, more than 80 percent are ethnic Afro-Americans.

If you have such a high rate of unemployed people, even more so of black unemployed people in a ruined city, what do you expect? To blame that primarily on state intervention of the "American Liberal" = social policy kind is just ridiculous propaganda and reminds me of the trash some Creationists produce...

Still some impressive images, though you can make them in every city in the world, every place has its dead areas. But if you know that in Detroit that aren't just small limited areas, but really huge, formerly very well of places, than its even more shocking of course...

If someone doesn't mention the ethnoracial make up of the population with the necessary clarity in such a documentary, you can be sure is a hypocritical liar.

[Austin]

Ya know Henry Ford wouldn't even hire blacks in his factories until the govt. forced him.

And yeah I know it was a biased documentary, although I still think it is largely accurate, unions did play a big part in the downfall of Detroit, and when it was in it's heyday it had a lot of whites there.

[Bloodeagle]

unions did play a big part in the downfall of Detroit, and when it was in it's heyday it had a lot of whites there.
The unions are not perfect.
However, by blaming the unions for Detroit's downfall, is in essence like blaming the workers, for Detroit's downfall.
This is pure Republican based propaganda, fueled by the very same corporate slave labor mentality that has shipped our jobs abroad, and increased our immigrant population!
Ever since Ronald Reagan broke the backbone of Americas labor unions, he did in effect attack Americas middle class. Now we have a booming service sector dedicated to kissing the fat cats ass.

Blacks are Americas pariah, shameful reminders of the very same greed based system that is at work today.
Blacks had nothing to do with America being sold short by its leaders.
Many American blacks migrated from the South en mass to the industrial cities of the North, looking for jobs and an opportunity to better themselves as did countless whites.

Cities like Detroit and many others of the Rust Belt were highly specialized industrial centers with good access to the coal, steel, and shipping necessary for it's productivity.

Now we sell our coal abroad for maximum profit. Much of our Iron ore goes to Korea and China to be sold back to us, and our Automobile manufacturing has hightailed it to the union unfriendly South, where foreign companies like Toyota continue to siphon Americas future away overseas.

Unfortunately, cities like Detroit will continue to fester and grow like cancer.

[Great Dane]

Well, thats just Neoliberal propaganda crap.

Obviously the American automobile industry in the USA wasn't really that competitive for many, many reasons, definitely also mismanagement and outdated structures which worked decades ago, but can't compete with more modern approaches, let alone with the subsidised Chinese cheap-products.

In fact, the American policy on various levels helped to ruin that part of the industry in particular, but essentially most of the medium sized business and production in general, not just in Detroit, but Detroit's economy was based on that and suffered most probably.Manufacturing has been gutted in America. Many cities resemble Detroit but on a smaller scale. Militant unions have been a major problem and those areas of America that do have competitive manufacturers tend to be in right-to-work states. Free trade hasn't done us much good either.


Also, what this "funny guy" didn't mention was that Detroit was largely an artificial city from the start, because it was build around the automobile industry. Now this industry is down and little left. I wouldn't call it an artificial city. Its location on the west end of Lake Erie near the middle of the Great Lakes, along with access to raw materials transported by via the Great Lakes, was a major factor in a large metropolis rising in that location. It has a more natural location for a major metropolis then Toronto. Detroit became the center of the emerging automotive industry in the early 20th century because of the engineering expertise of several individuals living in Detroit. It is unfortunate that the economy in Detroit was never diversified.


So all the qualified white, Euro-American people left en masse, whereas the Afro-Americans still increased their numbers in certain areas. Now Detroit is largely a Negroid city, more than 80 percent are ethnic Afro-Americans.

If you have such a high rate of unemployed people, even more so of black unemployed people in a ruined city, what do you expect?I agree.


To blame that primarily on state intervention of the "American Liberal" = social policy kind is just ridiculous propaganda and reminds me of the trash some Creationists produce...I don't understand what Creationists had to do with the fall of Detroit. It was the integration of schools and housing that drove the Whites out of Detroit and allowed the African-Americans to take over. Creationists have nothing to do with trade and industrial policy. It was liberals who were in favor of integration and equal rights for minorities. Neocons and free-traders dictate trade policy.

The people who have the most influence on public policy in the United States go to elite schools like Harvard, Yale, Northwestern, Berkley. I don't think any of them are Creationists.



If someone doesn't mention the ethnoracial make up of the population with the necessary clarity in such a documentary, you can be sure is a hypocritical liar.It can't be said actually, without the presenter being accused of racism. And it doesn't have to be said, we know who lives there.