The Bashkirs

[Pallantides]

Bashkirs live mainly in the Republic of Bashkortostan and the total Bashkir population is ca. 1 750 000 people. Their earliest mention in writing comes from Arab writer Ahmad ibn Fadlān ibn al-Abbās ibn Rašīd ibn Hammād, who described the nomads as warlike and idolatrous. According to him, they worshiped phallic idols.
They also raised cattle and practiced bee-keeping. Now they are mostly Sunni Muslim. After being ruled by Russia since 1921, they declared their sovereignty in 1990 and became a member of UNPO in 1996.

About 84% of the Bashkirs of the Bashkortostan and Perm region belong to y-DNA haplogroup R1b1b2 - M269
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[Osweo]

Curious haplogroup information. :)

It's worth pointing out that there's a great deal of Ugric in this Turkic speaking people. I've seen it written that there's not a great deal to divide them from the Qazaqs, and that the distinction between the two is merely a result of Russian policy (and the establishment of the Orenburg Line of Cossack forts), but it appears more complex than that. Language is probably the main thing linking them with the Qazaqs, as well as older khanate loyalties - blind old Khan Kuchum sought sanctuary with them when the Russians took the area.

They are obviously transitional in very many ways, with the Teptiars forming a bridge to their western Kazan Tatar neighbours.

I've heard that their clan names reveal lots of earlier obscured allegiances and origins, most of all with the old cousins of the Magyars who brought Ugric speech to Hungary.

Great pics. :thumbs

[Agrippa]

Some remind me clearly on Uighurs, obviously a mixed breed.

[Pallantides]

Curious haplogroup information. :)


Yeah, I'd also be intrested and finding about their mtDNA haplogroup distribution.

[Pallantides]

who described the nomads as warlike and idolatrous. According to him, they worshiped phallic idols

typical R1b behaviour:D


That's how we roll!

[Austrvegr]

Bashkir Y chromo

N = 471
R1b1b2 - M269 - 34,3% (0 to 84%)
R1a1 - SRY10831.2 - 26,4% (9 to 48%)
N1c - Tat - 17% (3 to 65%)
R1b1b1 - M73 13,2%(1 to 55%)

http://www.anrb.ru/molgen/Lobov_AS.PDF

Bashkirs vary very much by regions

http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0903/b8/562a540cf369.jpg

Their Mongoloid component is mostly on the maternal side (about 65%).

http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0903/6f/45e210512c9d.gif

[W. R.]

http://mariuver.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bashkiry.jpgThe guy on the right resembles you a bit.

[Pallantides]

I bet we are brothers in R1b1b2 :p

He is clearly more Asiatic looking than me though.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I am not sure what 'mixed breed' should mean in the context of a people who have probably been fairly endogamous for centuries. 'Mixed' is a relative term in any case.

I was at university with some nominally muslim Russian students hailing from an autonomous region of Russia, who looked something like the above, but who as a group looked quite homogenous, like brothers and sisters actually.

[Agrippa]

Well, every mixture can produce something stable, especially if it lasted long already and selection was involved. Still, if looking at the big picture, they are without a doubt to consider as mixed since they are between the two main races of Eurasia, Europid and Mongolid.

And even if the mixture is now more than 2000 years old, thats still fairly recent.

[bayar]

Osweo is confused. Nobody ever confused Qazaks with Bashkirs. Tatars on other other hand have many similarities with Bashkirs. Even Orenburg Bashkirs have more similarities with Finno- Ugric tribes such as Udmurts rather than with Qazaks. The Tatar language is the closest language to Bashkir. There is no "a great deal of ugric in turkic speaking people". Only Chuvash, Tatar and Bashkirs have some common genes with finno-ugric tribes.
Bashkir Y chromo


Their Mongoloid component is mostly on the maternal side (about 65%).

I found this information:

http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Fedorova2003.pdf
Supposedly, Bashkirs have 60.7% of Caucasion gene pool and 39.3% Mongoloid.
You can read more here: http://rokus01.wordpress.com/about/bakhkir/



You can see more pictures of Bashkir people here:
http://slavanthro.mybb3.ru/viewtopic.php?t=4074
http://top-antropos.com/rating/item/310-samye-krasivye-bashkirki

[sevruk]

Rustem Khamitov, President of the Republic of Bashkortostan, Russia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Hamitov.jpg/453px-Hamitov.jpg

[superhorn]

You may be interested to know that the late, great ballet dancer Rudolf Nureyev was an ethnic Bashkir !

[Sky earth]

Wow the Bashkirs look really mixed and less Finnic than Tatars and Chuvashs. I was kinda surprised when I saw pictures of them how Mongoloid mixed they were. They have 47% R1b, therefore I was sure Bashkirs were more Caucasoid than Tatars and Chuvashs untill I read about their mtDNA and everything was clear. Ahmad Ibn Fadlan described in his journeys the Bashkirs as Nature worshipers, identifiying their deities as various forces of nature, birds and animals. He also wrote that the Bashkirs had 12 Gods inculding the endless blue sky Tengri. Sadly they were islamized like almost all Turkics by the Arabs and have forgotten their traditional Tengrism religion:(

[AseNa]

Some remind me clearly on Uighurs, obviously a mixed breed.
This is true. Its because we share a common genetic origin with Uyghurs and Hungarians.


Ahmad Ibn Fadlan described in his journeys the Bashkirs as Nature worshipers, identifiying their deities as various forces of nature, birds and animals. He also wrote that the Bashkirs had 12 Gods inculding the endless blue sky Tengri. Sadly they were islamized like almost all Turkics by the Arabs and have forgotten their traditional Tengrism religion:(
We never prayed to many Gods. Tengriism was a monotheistic belief. Don't worry, we presrved many old tengriistic traditions despite blending with Islam :)

[Sky earth]

This is true. Its because we share a common genetic origin with Uyghurs and Hungarians.


We never prayed to many Gods. Tengriism was a monotheistic belief. Don't worry, we presrved many old tengriistic traditions despite blending with Islam :)


I dont think that Tengrism was so monotheistic. In Turkic mythology There are many gods like Bai ulgen and Erlik han. It is just unknown if they were just worshipped as spirits Or gods like Tengri. I think that only the father sky Tengri and mother earth Umay were seen as gods.

[Proto-Shaman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=032gVn2WMmo

Very interesting people!

[Onur]

Hungarian scholars claims that Bashkirs are turkified magyars. I read that several times before but ofc we have no way to prove this atm.

[Proto-Shaman]

Hungarian scholars claims that Bashkirs are turkified magyars. I read that several times before but ofc we have no way to prove this atm.
I know this. It is referred as "Magna Hungaria". Some Turkic schoolars even claim that Magyars were simply a Turkic tribe. However, such claims remain uncertain.

[Dombra]

Aldim kulga dombra

[Hayalet]

She is Russian
What makes you say that?

[Proto-Shaman]

Russian folk wear and phenotype.
could be possible
http://eng.bashkortostan450.ru/media/photo/?gallery=1

[ButlerKing]

Bashkir Y chromo

N = 471
R1b1b2 - M269 - 34,3% (0 to 84%)
R1a1 - SRY10831.2 - 26,4% (9 to 48%)
N1c - Tat - 17% (3 to 65%)
R1b1b1 - M73 13,2%(1 to 55%)

http://www.anrb.ru/molgen/Lobov_AS.PDF

Bashkirs vary very much by regions

http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0903/b8/562a540cf369.jpg

Their Mongoloid component is mostly on the maternal side (about 65%).

http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0903/6f/45e210512c9d.gif


I checked and found the Bashkir region with highest frequencies of N at 65% had the highest Mongoloid maternal DNA, same with the region with 54% N. I wonder if this has anything to do with with the Turkic Yakut people, even their mtDNA haplogroup is roughly similar, although Yakuts have only 9.5% West Eurasian mtDNA.

http://i50.tinypic.com/jfxb42.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29554&d=1362511151
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29552&d=1362511145

[Proto-Shaman]

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[Proto-Shaman]

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/604142_496291170434489_105667506_n.jpg
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/538971_422373561139302_942512568_n.jpg
(typical Bashkirs)

[Alenka]

Typical Bashkirs

http://vk.com/album-68796_163142176
http://vk.com/album-68796_158215099
http://vk.com/album-68796_145563202

[Proto-Shaman]

Thank you for the links Alenka!

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[Proto-Shaman]

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[Sky earth]

I don't know but I have the feeling that Bashkirs are a good example of it how the Proto-Turks could have looked like

By the way I found a very interesting study about the mtDNA of Bashkir women

Sardaana A. Fedorova, M. A. Bermisheva, Richard Villems, N. R. Maksimova, and E. K. Khusnutdinova. "Analysis of Mitochondrial DNA Lineages in Yakuts." Molecular Biology 37:4 (2003): pages 544-553. Translated from the Russian edition of the article that was published in Molekulyarnaya Biologiya 37:4 (2003) on pages 643-653. Although this is a study primarily about the Yakuts (a Turkic-speaking group living further east of the Bashkirs), Tables 2 and 3 include Bashkir mtDNA (maternal) haplogroup frequency distributions taken from 211 Bashkir samples. Table 3 (page 550) says the most common mtDNA haplogroup among the Bashkirs is U, found in 27.5% of those sampled. H was found in 14.2% and C was found in 12.8%. Less predominant are, in descending order, D (8.1%), F (6.2%), T (5.2%), G (4.7%), A (4.3%), J (3.3%), M* (1.0%). Other haplogroups were found in 12.7% of the Bashkirs studied. Table 2's "Gene pool component" columns for Bashkirs reveal their racial mix to be 60.7% Caucasian and 39.3% Mongoloid (page 549).

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/bashkirs.html

Sadly I haven't seen any aDNA study about Bashkirs but I bet that they are almost 50:50 Caucasoid/Mongoloid

[MfA_]

Sadly I haven't seen any aDNA study about Bashkirs but I bet that they are almost 50:50 Caucasoid/Mongoloid

They are within 40-45% East Eurasian
MDLP World22
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqn7iMc2P-yQdEItR3hlYzVVSE5yQjBkUzBzT1E5Ymc#gid=0
Newest MDLP K27 beta
~55% East Eurasian
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqr2nbGXpVFndHo5TnJZR2VFYW1lcExMNGUyWTVhe VE#gid=0

[Sky earth]

They are within 40-45% East Eurasian
MDLP World22
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqn7iMc2P-yQdEItR3hlYzVVSE5yQjBkUzBzT1E5Ymc#gid=0
Newest MDLP K27 beta
~55% East Eurasian
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqr2nbGXpVFndHo5TnJZR2VFYW1lcExMNGUyWTVhe VE#gid=0

Thank you!:)

They are clearly Eurasian!

[Ice]

Many of the Bashkir people live in the Republic of Bashkortostan in the Russian Federation. This area is also known as Bashkiria. Some other Bashkirs live in other parts of Russia, mostly areas that are near Bashkortostan, including Tatarstan, Udmurtia, the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, and the Chelyabinsk, Orenburg, Samara, Sverdlovsk, and Kurgan oblasts.

The Bashkirs physically and genetically have a mixture of European and Asiatic traits, which is fitting because they live on both sides of the Ural Mountains geographically separating Europe and Asia. Fedorova's team found them to be 60.7% Caucasian and 39.3% Mongoloid. That makes them more Mongoloid than the Volga Tatars and Chuvashes but less Mongoloid than some Central Asian Turkic-speaking peoples like the Uyghurs and Kazakhs. Indeed, the Tatars and Chuvashes don't look as Mongoloid as the Bashkirs do, but the Kazakhs typically look very Mongoloid.

The Bashkir language is a member of the Kipchak subgroup of the Turkic language family.
Major studies of Bashkirs

Sardaana A. Fedorova, M. A. Bermisheva, Richard Villems, N. R. Maksimova, and E. K. Khusnutdinova. "Analysis of Mitochondrial DNA Lineages in Yakuts." Molecular Biology 37:4 (2003): pages 544-553. Translated from the Russian edition of the article that was published in Molekulyarnaya Biologiya 37:4 (2003) on pages 643-653. Although this is a study primarily about the Yakuts (a Turkic-speaking group living further east of the Bashkirs), Tables 2 and 3 include Bashkir mtDNA (maternal) haplogroup frequency distributions taken from 211 Bashkir samples. Table 3 (page 550) says the most common mtDNA haplogroup among the Bashkirs is U, found in 27.5% of those sampled. H was found in 14.2% and C was found in 12.8%. Less predominant are, in descending order, D (8.1%), F (6.2%), T (5.2%), G (4.7%), A (4.3%), J (3.3%), M* (1.0%). Other haplogroups were found in 12.7% of the Bashkirs studied. Table 2's "Gene pool component" columns for Bashkirs reveal their racial mix to be 60.7% Caucasian and 39.3% Mongoloid (page 549).

Some other mtDNA study (or average of multiple studies) of the Bashkirs came up with a higher frequency of H (22%), a slightly lower frequency of U (of which 2% were in U2, 15% were in U4, and 7.5% in U5), a lower frequency of T (3%), and a higher frequency of J (6%). It also itemized the mtDNA haplogroups K (2.5%), V (2%), I (0.5%), and W (0.5%), unlike Fedorova et al. which placed such haplogroups in its generic "Others" column.

Artyom Sergeevich Lobov. "Struktura genofonda subpopulyatsii bashkir." [Structure of the Gene Pool of Bashkir Subpopulations - original text in Russian] (Avtoreferat. Dissertatsii na soiskanie uchenoy stepeni kandidata biologicheskix nauk. Ufa, 2009). A total of 471 Bashkir men were tested for their Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroups. Of these, when the samples are taken as a whole without regard to geographic region, the most common Y-DNA haplogroup among the Bashkirs was R1b, within which 34.4% belonged to R1b1b2 (R1b1b2-M269) and 13.2% to R1b1b1. R1a1 (R-SRY10831.2) was found among 26.3%, and 17% had N1c (N1c-Tat). Less common were haplogroups like E-M35, C-M48, G-P15, L-M20, N-P43, O-M175, and several more. There were some regional divides. Bashkirs from the Perm and Baimakskiy regions have noticeably higher percentages of R1b1b2 compared to the other regions (83.7% in Perm, but much less often in places like Abzelilovsky and Burzyansky and zero percent in Sterlibashevsky), while they have less R1a1 compared to the other regions (only 9.3% in Perm compared to 48.0% in Saratov and Samara in the Samarskaya Oblast).
Bashkir Y-DNA haplogroup frequencies by region

T. A. Suslova, A. L. Burmistrova, M. S. Chernova, E. B. Khromova, E. I. Lupar, S. V. Timofeeva, I. V. Devald, M. N. Vavilov, and C. Darke. "HLA gene and haplotype frequencies in Russians, Bashkirs and Tatars, living in the Chelyabinsk Region (Russian South Urals)." International Journal of Immunogenetics 39:5 (October 2012): pages 394-408. First published electronically on April 20, 2012. 146 Bashkirs participated in this study that examined allele families and haplotypes, specifically the HLA-A, HLA-B, HLA-DRB1, HLA-DQA1 and HLA-DQB1 profiles of the three ethnic groups listed in the title, and compared these groups to others. Excerpts from the Abstract:

"[...] The Bashkirs appear close to Mongoloids in allele and haplotype distribution. However, Bashkirs cannot be labelled either as typical Mongoloids or as Caucasoids. Thus, Bashkirs possess some alleles and haplotypes frequent in Mongoloids, which supports the Turkic impact on Bashkir ethnogenesis, but also possess the AH 8.1 haplotype, which could evidence an ancient Caucasoid population that took part in their ethnic formation or of recent admixture with adjacent populations (Russians and Tatars). Bashkirs showed no features of populations with a substantial Finno-Ugric component, [...]"

[Proto-Shaman]

Bashkirs are basically ancestral to nearly 2 billion people.

[Wild North]

Many of them looks like a kind of europid-mongolid mix.

[Wild North]

Are there any specific connections between Bashkirs and Magyars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashkirs#Middle_Ages

[Proto-Shaman]

Are there any specific connections between Bashkirs and Magyars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashkirs#Middle_Ages
Hungarians have settled in Bashkiria, where they were later melted together with the Turkic speaking Bashkirians – after all originally their relatives.

http://mek.oszk.hu/04500/04509/04509.pdf

[Melki]

http://cs540109.vk.me/c309224/v309224845/4a9c/d4N9POd61RA.jpg


The girl on the right reminds me a Canadian woman I once met, who was from British Columbia. I first thought she was somewhat Native American (or, as Canucks would rather say: a member of the «First Nations»). Actually, she appeared to be half Japanese, half European-Canadian.

The traditional costumes seen in the previous pages are beautiful. It looks like Borodin's Polovtsian Dances. I can't wait to travel the Trans-Siberian railway and meet all these turkic people.

[Böri]

Bashkirs are more similar to what Göktürks Were,people of the Old Turkic Kaghanate living in today's Western Mongolia 1500 years ago. Chuvash are more Europid. The most Europid it's Volga Tatars.

[Melki]

Bashkirs are more similar to what Göktürks Were,people of the Old Turkic Kaghanate living in today's Western Mongolia 1500 years ago. Chuvash are more Europid. The most Europid it's Volga Tatars.

You mean “gök“ like “sky“ in Turkish language, a reference to pre-islamic Tengrism ?
Are Oğuz Turks more Europids due to contacts with Circassians and Slavic tribes. I thought Bashkirs were very similar to Tatarsn and that modern Chuvash were the remnants of the former Mongoloid Khazar clans.

[Norka]

Confirmed R1 is Turan.

[Proto-Shaman]

Some remind me clearly on Uighurs, obviously a mixed breed.
Baschkiren und Uiguren sind deine Vorfahren du dreckiger Untermensch.

[johen]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27411&d=1360951360


sumer:
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ancient korean
http://www.dragon5.com/image/KoreanWrestling-20040731-0.jpg

Korean
http://www.ekapepia.com/common/attachfile/attachfileView.do?attachfileDtlId=00010367&imgType=L