Classify Mex-American youtuber

[Gauthier]

Classify popular youtuber JRMun0z

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[RMuller]

Is he half Gringo?

[Gauthier]

Is he half Gringo?

The mom and father are of Mexican origin.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/DfychD.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/f0DfychDj)

Edit:

I'm full mexican, both sides of my family are light skinned and have colored eyes.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1368093

[RMuller]

As far as I know the mom and father are of Mexican origin.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/DfychD.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/f0DfychDj)

What state are his parents from ? So they youtuber must be 1/3 amerindian or more.

[welp]

SLAYER

[Gauthier]

What state are his parents from ? So they youtuber must be 1/3 amerindian or more.

Guadalajara.

[RMuller]

Guadalajara.

I was thinking Jalisco.

[Gauthier]

I was thinking Jalisco.

Yeah, that province is known for producing ''gueros de rancho''.

Canelo Alvarez is also from Jalisco.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/auU1Hf.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/exauU1Hfj)

[Tooting Carmen]

CM.

[Antimage]

unusually light and euro looking for a mexican. he looks british or french. he may pass in scandinavia too. which is strange cuz his parents look mixed

[Linebacker]

Looks robust,and strong body too.He has Cromagnoid component for sure.

Wonder how he came to be that light when both his parents look darker.

[Gaston]

His parents look obviously significantly admixed. Quite normal for MGM and recently mixed families to pop out phenotypically diverse children.

[Sikeliot]

Nordid.

[Hungarian_master]

Faelid

[Awebo]

unusually light and euro looking for a mexican. he looks british or french. he may pass in scandinavia too. which is strange cuz his parents look mixed

He isn't even that light, I've seen lighter Mexicans. What could be considered unusual in his case might be his features which make him look pseudo-Czech or something (Maybe West Baltid/Faelid?).

Individuals with more common European phenos found in Mexico such as Atlanto-Med, Alpine, Atlantid, pseudo-East Med, etc. - even with his pigmentation (or lighter) - would not raise eyebrows.

[Highlands]

atlanto-nordid-CM

[armenianbodyhair]

CM

[alnortedelsur]

Nord-Atlantid and Cromagnid with some residual Amerindian.

The amerindian is not visible in him, but I know he has some Amerindian because of his father.

Is his European ancestry all Spanish??

[Gauthier]

Nord-Atlantid and Cromagnid with some residual Amerindian.

The amerindian is not visible in him, but I know he has some Amerindian because of his father.

Is his European ancestry all Spanish??

Judging by his family's background he is likely of colonial stock, no recent euro admixture.

[Gauthier]

Looks robust,and strong body too.He has Cromagnoid component for sure.

Wonder how he came to be that light when both his parents look darker.

The ''light'' pigmentation is definitely coming from his mother's side.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/St3pko.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ipSt3pkoj)

[Siberyak]

He isn't even that light, I've seen lighter Mexicans. What could be considered unusual in his case might be his features which make him look pseudo-Czech or something (Maybe West Baltid/Faelid?).

Individuals with more common European phenos found in Mexico such as Atlanto-Med, Alpine, Atlantid, pseudo-East Med, etc. - even with his pigmentation (or lighter) - would not raise eyebrows.

I will admit I have not spent much time in Mexico but I have never meet a Mexican American that looks like him.

[alnortedelsur]

Judging by his family's background he is likely of colonial stock, no recent euro admixture.

I haven't said in any moment that he has a recent Spanish background, but his white features (colonial or not) can be traced, if we go back in time, from somewhere in Europe. Right?? Simple logic.

So, if his background is of colonial stock, then, the very early European origin from his Colonial stock is very likely Spanish.

Then, my question is: is Spanish all the European part of his Colonial stock?? Does he only have Spanish last names??

I ask this, because he looks more Northern European than Spanish or than White/quasi-white Mexicans (who in most cases, their colonial European side is mostly Spanish). And that's it.

And I think he looks too foreign for a Spaniard (or for a mostly white colonial Mexican), NOT because of his light pigmentation (because many Iberians and quasi-white mexicans can be as light as him), but because of his features. However, I don't mean with this, that there cannot be some fully ethnic Spaniards, and some quasi-white Mexicans of mostly Iberian stock, with similar features as him, but is not very frequent.

[Awebo]

I will admit I have not spent much time in Mexico but I have never meet a Mexican American that looks like him.

Maybe you have come across some but just assume they're normal white Americans (depending on where you live)?

That said, Mexicans like him would be more common in Mexico itself than among the diaspora.

[Gauthier]

I haven't said in any moment that he has a recent Spanish background, but his white features (colonial or not) can be traced, if we go back in time, from somewhere in Europe. Right?? Simple logic.

So, if his background is of colonial stock, then, the very early European origin from his Colonial stock is very likely Spanish.

Then, my question is: is Spanish all the European part of his Colonial stock?? Does he only have Spanish last names??

I ask this, because he looks more Northern European than Spanish or than White/quasi-white Mexicans (who in most cases, their colonial European side is mostly Spanish). And that's it.

And I think he looks too foreign for a Spaniard (or for a mostly white colonial Mexican), NOT because of his light pigmentation (because many Iberians and quasi-white mexicans can be as light as him), but because of his features. However, I don't mean with this, that there cannot be some fully ethnic Spaniards, and some quasi-white Mexicans of mostly Iberian stock, with similar features as him, but is not very frequent.

All we know for sure is that he is of full Mexican origin, from a humble background. The only last name he uses is Muñoz, which is the one from his father's side.

A similar case of ''extraordinary'' phenotypes among Mexicans is Canelo, who looks Irish according to some people, yet all of his family is of the typical Mexican mix (spanish-amerindian).

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/1879/wAepFh.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/8k2mzW.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ex8k2mzWj)

[Antimage]

yes canelo alvarez looks "interesting" too

[alnortedelsur]

All we know for sure is that he is of full Mexican origin, from a humble background. The only last name he uses is Muñoz, which is the one from his father's side.

A similar case of ''extraordinary'' phenotypes among Mexicans is Canelo, who looks Irish according to some people, yet all of his family is of the typical Mexican mix (spanish-amerindian).

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/1879/wAepFh.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/8k2mzW.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ex8k2mzWj)

If I asked that, is NOT because I think there cannot be Mexicans, with several generations living in Mexico, who look as white as that guy, or like Canelo.

My point is that if those multigenerational Mexicans can look as they look (and even some of them being confused with Irish), it would be interesting to know if their European side is all Spanish (not necessarily recent, but in many cases from several generations back, of course), because those would be examples that fly in the face of the stereotype of all Iberians and their descendants being always swarthy.

But I also asked it, because the facial traits of the youtuber from this thread, are kind of too Northern European, for being a Mexican whose European side is only Iberian.

[Gauthier]

If I asked that, is NOT because I think there cannot be Mexicans, with several generations living in Mexico, who look as white as that guy, or like Canelo.

My point is that if those multigenerational Mexicans can look as they look (and even some of them being confused with Irish), it would be interesting to know if their European side is all Spanish (not necessarily recent, but in many cases from several generations back, of course), because those would be examples that fly in the face of the stereotype of all Iberians and their descendants being always swarthy.

But I also asked it, because the facial traits of the youtuber from this thread, are kind of too Northern European, for being a Mexican whose European side is only Iberian.

Yeah, I know what you mean, contrary to what many people think ''blondish'' Spaniards are not rare, specially in Northern Spain.

How would you classify this other Mexican?


Héctor Octavio García González, "El Payo".

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/633/h4eFa2.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/hlh4eFa2j)
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I remember sikeliot saying he looked British.

[alnortedelsur]

Yeah, I know what you mean, contrary to what many people think ''blondish'' Spaniards are not rare, specially in Northern Spain.

How would you classify this other Mexican?



I remember sikeliot saying he looked British.

Blondish Spaniards are not rare anywhere in Spain. Northern Spaniards are not noticeable lighter, on average, than southern Spaniards. That's no more than another stereotype. The pigmentation differences between northern and southern Iberia are minimal, and hardly noticeable. There is a bit higher frequency of lighter types in northern regions than in southern and Mediterranean regions, and a bit higher frequency of darker types in southern regions than in northern regions, but you can also find good numbers of "more Mediterranean looking" individuals among native northern Spaniards, and you can also find a good number of lighter and blondish individuals among native southern Spaniards; and in both northern and southern Spain, the most average look, is a fair skinned brunette with some shade of brown hair, and some shade of brown eyes (ranging from dark brown to hazel). The overall pigmentation differences, between southern regions like Murcia, Andalusia, and Extremadura, compared to northern regions like Castilla-Leon, Aragon, Asturias, are very subtle and hardly noticeable.

That Mexican also looks something like Atlanto-nordid + Cromagnid, I guess. And yeah, he could pass in Britain, but he is very northern European looking for Iberian standards, NOT because he is too light for being Iberian descendant, but because Iberians, don't usually have that kind of robust features, as this guy. However, I thoroughly believe his European ancestry can perfectly be all Spanish, because after all, there can be some Spaniards with those kind of robust cromagnoid features, even though they are not the most common ones.

[FeederOfRavens]

Depigmented Atlanto-Med with some Cro-magnon influence

[RMuller]

If I asked that, is NOT because I think there cannot be Mexicans, with several generations living in Mexico, who look as white as that guy, or like Canelo.

My point is that if those multigenerational Mexicans can look as they look (and even some of them being confused with Irish), it would be interesting to know if their European side is all Spanish (not necessarily recent, but in many cases from several generations back, of course), because those would be examples that fly in the face of the stereotype of all Iberians and their descendants being always swarthy.

But I also asked it, because the facial traits of the youtuber from this thread, are kind of too Northern European, for being a Mexican whose European side is only Iberian.

I doubt the Youtuber and Canelo have other European ancestry besides Spanish-Basque. Jalisco is a state known to produce light mestizos with light hair and eyes "gueros del Rancho".

[alnortedelsur]

I doubt the Youtuber and Canelo have other European ancestry besides Spanish-Basque. Jalisco is a state known to produce light mestizos with light hair and eyes "gueros del Rancho".

Out of curiosity: do you think that Jalisco is mostly harnizo/castizo, with a sizable white minority, just like many northern and northwestern Mexican states?

I ask this because I have heard many times that there are many predominantly European mestizos in Jalisco. And I also personally met a light mestiza and her father, and another girl friend of mine (a light mestiza too), here in the states, and they were all from Jalisco.

Also, I know that Ariadne Diaz (for example), is from there.

[RMuller]

Out of curiosity: do you think that Jalisco is mostly harnizo/castizo, with a sizable white minority, just like many northern and northwestern Mexican states?

Jalisco is a West-Central state the region known as "El Bajio" composed of other states.
I think Jalisco on average is Harnizo. You can find many mestizos,castizos and "whites" too.


I ask this because I have heard many times that there are many predominantly European mestizos in Jalisco. And I also personally met a light mestiza and her father, and another girl friend of mine (a light mestiza too), here in the states, and they were all from Jalisco.

The stereotype in California when you meet a light haired or light eyed Mexican mestizo is that their family is from Jalisco.

I posted this video before Mexican-American girls from working class roots from Los Angeles that have Jalisco roots.A few have light colored eyes. Not rare in Jalisco among the lower class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G1zqnDyjzo


Video from Villa Guadalupe Jalisco you can see some blonde kids. Blond haired or light eyed Mexican mestizos European ancestry is Iberian.I think alot of blond Spaniards-Basque settled in Jalisco 400 years ago. Thats why you find Mestizos from the state that are blonde when they are kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbMeSEw5htQ

Also, I know that Ariadne Diaz (for example), is from there.

Oh i had to google her i didn't know who she was.

[Alchemysta]

CM.

[alnortedelsur]

Jalisco is a West-Central state the region known as "El Bajio" composed of other states.
I think Jalisco on average is Harnizo. You can find many mestizos,castizos and "whites" too.



The stereotype in California when you meet a light haired or light eyed Mexican mestizo is that their family is from Jalisco.

I posted this video before Mexican-American girls from working class roots from Los Angeles that have Jalisco roots.A few have light colored eyes. Not rare in Jalisco among the lower class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G1zqnDyjzo


Video from Villa Guadalupe Jalisco you can see some blonde kids. Blond haired or light eyed Mexican mestizos European ancestry is Iberian.I think alot of blond Spaniards-Basque settled in Jalisco 400 years ago. Thats why you find Mestizos from the state that are blonde when they are kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbMeSEw5htQ


Oh i had to google her i didn't know who she was.

Wow, I checked the second video, and I am very surprised of how common are in Jalisco very predominantly European mestizos (mainly Spanish influenced). Then I am sure, that heavily Spanish admixed castizas like Ariadne Diaz must be very common place in there, as well as in northern Mexican states, and not part of a very small minority of Mexicans, as many ignorant people assume.

I checked on wikipedia, and I read that the other states that compose El Bajio are Guanajuato, Queretaro, Aguascalientes and Jalisco.

Are they similar, in their racial background, to Jalisco? I mean, are they also majority harnizo states? Then, I guess that that part of Central Western Mexico (El Bajio) is very similar, phenotype wise, to northern and Northwestern Mexico? What about Michoacan and Colima?? Are they also mostly harnizo? or those two states are more balanced mestizo?

Sorry for so many questions, but it would be very interesting for me to know how many more states (aside from the northern and northwestern Mexican states), are predominantly caucasian mestizo, plus an important white minority, on average.

[RMuller]

Wow, I checked the second video, and I am very surprised of how common are in Jalisco very predominantly European mestizos (mainly Spanish influenced). Then I am sure, that heavily Spanish admixed castizas like Ariadne Diaz must be very common place in there, as well as in northern Mexican states, and not part of a very small minority of Mexicans, as many ignorant people assume.

The Video with the kids is from Los Altos De Jalisco. Los Altos De Jalisco is more Harnizo-castizo on average.You can find many light haired and light eyes in this region . The rest of Jalisco is more Harnizo.I have been to Jalisco and Los Altos De Jalisco many times. One of my great grandfathers was from Los Altos De Jalisco.




I checked on wikipedia, and I read that the other states that compose El Bajio are Guanajuato, Queretaro, Aguascalientes and Jalisco.

Are they similar, in their racial background, to Jalisco?

Aguascalientes is sorta similiar to Jalisco .Queretaro,Guanajuato are more mestizo. That Bajio region is similiar in culture,accent,conservative Catholic region. Catholics in those states make up to 91-97% of the population. Also known as the most Catholic region of Mexico. Most Mexican priest are from El Bajio specially Jalisco. Lower crime rates. More Mexican nationalism there. Considered the "heartland" of Mexico. The region rebelled against the government 1920-30's because it closed down the churches. It was called Guerra de Los Cristeros. Hollywood made a movie to.


I mean, are they also majority harnizo states? Then, I guess that that part of Central Western Mexico (El Bajio) is very similar, phenotype wise, to northern and Northwestern Mexico?

I don't see much of a difference between Western Central Mexico and Northern Mexico.



What about Michoacan and Colima?? Are they also mostly harnizo? or those two states are more balanced mestizo?

I think more balanced mestizos on average . Plenty of harnizos and castizos in those states too. Jalisco is more Iberian.
I would consider part of Michoacan,Colima,San Luis Potosi part of El Bajio region too since it's similiar culture,accent,very Catholic too etc.


Sorry for so many questions, but it would be very interesting for me to know how many more states (aside from the northern and northwestern Mexican states), are predominantly caucasian mestizo, plus an important white minority, on average.


Cool.

[Awebo]

I doubt the Youtuber and Canelo have other European ancestry besides Spanish-Basque. Jalisco is a state known to produce light mestizos with light hair and eyes "gueros del Rancho".
Canelo's origins are actually from the state of Michoacán.


Check this video, around min 3:40


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzxh6XhEYVQ

The reporter brings up that Canelo has origins from Los Altos de Jalisco -an area of the state of Jalisco stereotyped as being heavily Euro- and Canelo corrects him replying;


"You see, alot of people seem to think that, but no... My family, my entire family is from Michoacán... My brothers and I were born in Guadalajara, but my family is Michoacanian."

[RMuller]

Canelo's origins are actually from the state of Michoacán.


Check this video, around min 3:40


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzxh6XhEYVQ

The reporter brings up that Canelo has origins from Los Altos de Jalisco -an area of the state of Jalisco stereotyped as being heavily Euro- and Canelo corrects him replying;


"You see, alot of people seem to think that, but no... My family, my entire family is from Michoacán... My brothers and I were born in Guadalajara, but my family is Michoacanian."

I didn't know that.

[Carlito's Way]

Canelo's origins are actually from the state of Michoacán.


Check this video, around min 3:40


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzxh6XhEYVQ

The reporter brings up that Canelo has origins from Los Altos de Jalisco -an area of the state of Jalisco stereotyped as being heavily Euro- and Canelo corrects him replying;


"You see, alot of people seem to think that, but no... My family, my entire family is from Michoacán... My brothers and I were born in Guadalajara, but my family is Michoacanian."

wow how cool, I wonder from what part though? would be interesting to know

[Carlito's Way]

and the youtuber's mother is from Jalisco and the father from Zacatecas
his mother's family are definitely very euro looking, there is a video where he goes to Jalisco to visit his family and they go in some rural area, many of his cousins are blonde and light eyed
i dont know much about the father, all i know is that hes from Zacatecas

the parents look castizo to me so im assuming that youtuber will be around 80-70% European

[Awebo]

wow how cool, I wonder from what part though? would be interesting to know

It would be interesting.

After watching that interview I remembered some guys at a restaurant a couple of years ago talking about boxing and how one of them mentioned Canelo's ties to Michoacán. I didn't take him serious since nothing online indicated anything other than him being born in Jalisco, but it seems he knew something we didn't.

[Kamal900]

French or British looking Mexican. God, I love the rich cultural heritage of Mexico.

[Carlito's Way]

It would be interesting.

After watching that interview I remembered some guys at a restaurant a couple of years ago talking about boxing and how one of them mentioned Canelo's ties to Michoacán. I didn't take him serious since nothing online indicated anything other than him being born in Jalisco, but it seems he knew something we didn't.

its funny that the pride of all Jaliscenses is actually a Michoacano :rotfl:

[Awebo]

its funny that the pride of all Jaliscenses is actually a Michoacano :rotfl:
LMAO, but yeah, it's funny cause many uber regionalistic Jaliscans claim he could not be anything other than Jalisciense, and then we have this revelation. :lol:

[Carlito's Way]

LMAO, but yeah, it's funny cause many uber regionalistic Jaliscans claim he could not be anything other than Jalisciense, and then we have this revelation. :lol:

ive always seen them make some of the dumbest claims, especially the infamous one "we from Jalisco are white, not brown" or "Jalisco has the most whites in Mexico, Canelo is how most look here"
theres this Latino facebook page, and they made a post about Boneta playing Luis Miguel in his tv series, so some Native American/Mexican girl mentioned something about white latinos always being the center of attention
and here comes this Jaliscense dude claiming most people from Jalisco being white with light eyes :picard1::picard1:

[RMuller]

LMAO, but yeah, it's funny cause many uber regionalistic Jaliscans claim he could not be anything other than Jalisciense, and then we have this revelation. :lol:

Mariachi,Tequila and Charros is what represents Mexico worldwide and it comes from Jalisco.

[RMuller]

God, I love the rich cultural heritage of Mexico.

That's cool. I think Mexican cultural heritage is very underated.

[Awebo]

Mariachi,Tequila and Charros is what represents Mexico worldwide and it comes from Jalisco.
Lol, but how is that relevant to what I wrote regarding Canelo?

[Awebo]

wow how cool, I wonder from what part though? would be interesting to know
"Su familia, nativa de Los Reyes Michoacán"

[source] (http://www.cascadanoticias.com/deportes/deportes/heroe-y-villano)

[Demon Revival]

Blondish Spaniards are not rare anywhere in Spain. Northern Spaniards are not noticeable lighter, on average, than southern Spaniards. That's no more than another stereotype. The pigmentation differences between northern and southern Iberia are minimal, and hardly noticeable. There is a bit higher frequency of lighter types in northern regions than in southern and Mediterranean regions, and a bit higher frequency of darker types in southern regions than in northern regions, but you can also find good numbers of "more Mediterranean looking" individuals among native northern Spaniards, and you can also find a good number of lighter and blondish individuals among native southern Spaniards; and in both northern and southern Spain, the most average look, is a fair skinned brunette with some shade of brown hair, and some shade of brown eyes (ranging from dark brown to hazel). The overall pigmentation differences, between southern regions like Murcia, Andalusia, and Extremadura, compared to northern regions like Castilla-Leon, Aragon, Asturias, are very subtle and hardly noticeable.

That Mexican also looks something like Atlanto-nordid + Cromagnid, I guess. And yeah, he could pass in Britain, but he is very northern European looking for Iberian standards, NOT because he is too light for being Iberian descendant, but because Iberians, don't usually have that kind of robust features, as this guy. However, I thoroughly believe his European ancestry can perfectly be all Spanish, because after all, there can be some Spaniards with those kind of robust cromagnoid features, even though they are not the most common ones.

That's the only visible Amerindian he has, increased robusticity/harshness in his otherwise Mediterranid/Atlantid traits. No CroMagnid at all here. More like Margid.

That ironic moment when mud tropical admixture actually makes you look mesolithic and more "Northern" than the Euro-wogs you stem from.

[Carlito's Way]

"Su familia, nativa de Los Reyes Michoacán"

[source] (http://www.cascadanoticias.com/deportes/deportes/heroe-y-villano)

I have been to Los Reyes, its close to Cotija, Tocumbo, and such
there are mexicans like him out there, the occasional gingers

[Black Panther]

The mom and father are of Mexican origin.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/DfychD.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/f0DfychDj)

Edit:

Guess his mother slept with a gringo.

[FilhoV]

unusually light and euro looking for a mexican. he looks british or french. he may pass in scandinavia too. which is strange cuz his parents look mixed

Proof that phenotype and genotype Don't always correlates together

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

He looks european. Hes definitely mixed with non iberian ancestry

[Myanthropologies]

I've seen him in person before.

[Odin]

North Atlantid + CM.

[Demon Revival]

He looks european. Hes definitely mixed with non iberian ancestry

Very unlikely.

[Ramseieterna]

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[Xacal]

North Atlantid + CM