My Tribecode results came in.

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The Y chromosome is passed from father to son in each generation. All currently living humans share a common paternal ancestor. TribeCode can trace through your father’s line all the way back to 230,000 – 500,000 years ago.

Your ancestors lived in Europe more than 15,000 years ago, then colonized areas in Western, Central, and Eastern Europe. Today, descendants are found mostly in Europe.

[Pahli]

Wow African immigrant

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So according to this site which claims to analyse your DNA 100 times more than any other site, does that mean now I2a is native to balkans since it states my ancestors been in Europe over 15k years?

[Pahli]

So according to this site which claims to analyse your DNA 100 times more than any other site, does that mean now I2a is native to balkans since it states my ancestors been in Europe over 15k years?

Must be

[Goujian]

Is it still better to use 23andme?

[Loki]

So according to this site which claims to analyse your DNA 100 times more than any other site, does that mean now I2a is native to balkans since it states my ancestors been in Europe over 15k years?

It is native to the Balkans, yes. :)

[Loki]

I see it is $99, same as 23andme. How do you find it and its features, Kurt? Compared to 23andme I mean.

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Is it still better to use 23andme?
I really don't use either one that much. Meaning 23andme i haven't even login for awhile.
This site advertises 100x deeper sequencing of your genome so i was just curious.

In comparison to 23andme ethnicity composition which I get 99.6% euro here I get 82%euro and 18%west Asian.
To my understanding this is more detailed.

[Goujian]

I really don't use either one that much. Meaning 23andme i haven't even login for awhile.
This site advertises 100x deeper sequencing of your genome so i was just curious.

In comparison to 23andme ethnicity composition which I get 99.6% euro here I get 82%euro and 18%west Asian.
To my understanding this is more detailed.

Alright, thanks. I might consider tribecode after all. Still they don't have raw data but they told me that they're going to offer raw data in the future. Not sure how it can be used or what kind of raw data that we'll be getting.

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Alright, thanks. I might consider tribecode after all. Still they don't have raw data but they told me that they're going to offer raw data in the future. Not sure how it can be used or what kind of raw data that we'll be getting.
I like it so far. The ethnicity composition also seems more detailed here than 23andme.

[Era]

same tools same maps and whatnot, I soley use it from my phone for both sites.
I possibly have two jewish gradparents,xD
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Grandparents? How do you figure?

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Grandparents? How do you figure?distant grandparents, they suggest this on a specific tool they have on their site dedicated to Ashkenazi Jewish experiment?!
But then again, on my ethnicity composition I have little Palestinian & Druze but not jewish at all.
I could be related to Christ through my Palestinian percentile:p

Anyway this looks cool guys.
On the migration map I posted its a live Google map with the moving path map than you can click in specific dots on migration map in time when it became I2 as it entered greece 25k30k years ago. As I understand it right now,lol

[ChocolateFace]

Seems like your paternal lineage is ancient Balkan and maybe different than other I2a. This can be further proofs Albanians partially descend from ancient Greeks.

[Trevis]

You have slavic haplogroup.

[Tacitus]

You should post the ethnicity composition chart too.


Seems like your paternal lineage is ancient Balkan and maybe different than other I2a. This can be further proofs Albanians partially descend from ancient Aromanians.

:heh:

[Highlands]

Just cos I2 entered through Balkans doesn't mean it's definitely native. Many west European haplogroups entered through Eastern Europe etc.

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You have slavic haplogroup.
On my ethnicity composition i have no slavic origins except 3.61% russian.
Italian peninsula coveres the biggest chunk 40.13% followed by British isles 15.48%.

[Alessio]

Tribecode sucks ass and makes everyone part 'Italian'. There is something wrong with their reference population, components, interface, population geneticists and price tag.

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Tribecode sucks ass and makes everyone part 'Italian'
Have you been tested with them? I'm new to this obviously, just got my results earlier.

[Goujian]

I am curious as how to this is possible though.. We don't speak the same language, we don't look the same (sometimes we actually do), there hasn't been any historical documents of greek migration to southern illyria.

I don't know man our ancient history gives me a headache :P

There were Greek colonies in the Adriatic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_cities_in_Illyria#Greek_cities

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Ancient_colonies.PNG

Couple that with maybe Byzantine settlement.

[Alessio]

Have you been tased with them? I'm new to this obviously, just got my results earlier.

I have followed a thread on TribeCode on 23andme's community page and have seen several results since last week and they all suck big time - the only benefit I've seen is that they do somewhat deeper Y-DNA testing (don't know about mtdna).

23andme, AncestryDNA and even FTDNA beat them hands down still.

Even more silly is the historical explanations people are trying to give with the results, as like: ''Southern French and Bavarians people look like Italians genetically wise, so perhaps it's coming from my French/Bavarian side..? ''

Give me a break..

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I have followed a thread on TribeCode on 23andme's community page and have seen several results since last week and they all suck big time - the only benefit I've seen is that they do somewhat deeper Y-DNA testing (don't know about mtdna).

23andme, AncestryDNA and even FTDNA beat them hands down still.
It's not far off since on 23andme i get italian and Greek pupuption as well.

[ChocolateFace]

I am curious as how to this is possible though.. We don't speak the same language, we don't look the same (sometimes we actually do), there hasn't been any historical documents of greek migration to southern illyria.

I don't know man our ancient history gives me a headache :P

Ancient Greek can only be translated using modern Albanian language. Modern Greek language is different than ancient Greek language, but this is normal since Modern Greeks are not ancient Greeks. Ancient Greeks had light hair and light eyes unlike modern Greeks but similar to many Albanians. The truth is that all the ancient people were similar back then.


aromanians

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We were once the same :D , but aromanians received more Roman admixture after they broke off.

[ChocolateFace]

You should post the ethnicity composition chart too.



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Where does our language come from? Judging by the map, it only looks like the colonies were settled in the coastline, while modern Albanians are settled in the mainlands, mountains, all the way to western Macedonia and up to Kosovo.

Don't focus too much on these maps. Anyone can make maps like this. It doesn't mean anything nor does it validate the historical assumptions that are desperately aimed for by the creator.

[Alessio]

It's not far off since on 23andme i get italian and Greek pupuption as well.

With 23andme 'some' populations like Albanians, Greeks, Cypriots and to a lesser degree southern French, Turks, Armenians can score some 'Italian' ( in case of some Greek islanders the numbers can be pretty high )but the percentages are relatively fair in line with geography, history and what we know about population genetics.

The populations that score high amounts of 'Italian' at TribeCode woud only get very low percentages ( would fall into the French/German or nothing at all ) of Italian at 23andme, so I'm wondering what Sicilians would get on TribeCode besides 'Italian' if even part Bavarian and full British people get a extremely high percentage of yes you've guessed it ''Italian''.

It'd would be like Poles and Lithuanians scoring high amounts of Finnish all of a sudden.

[Queen B]

Ancient Greek can only be translated using modern Albanian language. Modern Greek language is different than ancient Greek language, but this is normal since Modern Greeks are not ancient Greeks. Ancient Greeks had light hair and light eyes unlike modern Greeks but similar to many Albanians. The truth is that all the ancient people were similar back then.



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[Alessio]

One comment I have copied and pasted from 23andme:

''I tested two unrelated kinfolk knowing their paternal and maternal haplogroups from FTDNA Y-67 and FMS testing at FTDNA. Tribecode produced the same haplogroups. One relative has four Ashkenazi grandparents; on the Ashkenazim graphic, he was predicted as fully Ashkenazi.

The ethnic results include subregions not seen at FTDNA, AncestryDNA, or 23andMe. My relatives' roots in both cases are embedded in northern Europe for at least 200 years. Some of the Tribecode subregions must reflect older roots; e.g., Basque, Caucasus, Basque, Mozabite, India, etc.

I like the ability to compare my probands to each other. A friend who enjoys ethnicity research (GEDmatch admixture utilities) asked me to share results. It was easy to share results in both modes (confident and speculative) and also comparison of both probands.

Regarding "Italian Peninsula," both relatives received a high percentage (over 20%) but neither have any known Italian heritage. I think it's a misnomer. The Italian peninsula adjoins Central Europe (Austria, Balkans) in the north; the label "Slavic" would match my relatives' known geography, but "Central Europe" might show older roots.''

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One comment I have copied and pasted from 23andme:

''I tested two unrelated kinfolk knowing their paternal and maternal haplogroups from FTDNA Y-67 and FMS testing at FTDNA. Tribecode produced the same haplogroups. One relative has four Ashkenazi grandparents; on the Ashkenazim graphic, he was predicted as fully Ashkenazi.

The ethnic results include subregions not seen at FTDNA, AncestryDNA, or 23andMe. My relatives' roots in both cases are embedded in northern Europe for at least 200 years. Some of the Tribecode subregions must reflect older roots; e.g., Basque, Caucasus, Basque, Mozabite, India, etc.

I like the ability to compare my probands to each other. A friend who enjoys ethnicity research (GEDmatch admixture utilities) asked me to share results. It was easy to share results in both modes (confident and speculative) and also comparison of both probands.

Regarding "Italian Peninsula," both relatives received a high percentage (over 20%) but neither have any known Italian heritage. I think it's a misnomer. The Italian peninsula adjoins Central Europe (Austria, Balkans) in the north; the label "Slavic" would match my relatives' known geography, but "Central Europe" might show older roots.''
Interesting, I agree on the Italian peninsula take.. I also get two jewish grandparents on their Ashkenazi section.

[Iloko]

Alright, thanks. I might consider tribecode after all. Still they don't have raw data but they told me that they're going to offer raw data in the future. Not sure how it can be used or what kind of raw data that we'll be getting.
But you've done 23andme already? Or have you not?

[Goujian]

But you've done 23andme already? Or have you not?

I did but I've screwed up on my sample three times.

[Skerdilaid]

Congrats bro, so they do test further your y-dna, and from what I see you belong to the Dinaric (L621+, L147+).

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Congrats bro, so they do test further your y-dna, and from what I see you belong to the Dinaric (L621+, L147+).yup, I seen those those 2 numbers somehwere while playing around but don't know what really means anyway:p

Shit, they are not uploading my second kit results and they gave me some lame excuse since I didn't pay for the second one:D but it has been completed on my status update..

[Geni]

HM... normally I2a is slavic..but maybe you are another branch..

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HM... normally I2a is slavic..but maybe you are another branch..

Nooo, albos carrying I2a have an illyrian branch of course:cool:

[Mortimer]

interesting, but they ship only to USA

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It clearly says: "Your ancestors lived in Europe more than 15,000 years ago"

[Nurzat]

Haplogroup I2a1b-L621

This branch is found overwhelmingly in Slavic countries. Its maximum frequencies are observed among the Dinaric Slavs (Slovenes, Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians) as well as in Bulgaria, Romania, Moldavia, western Ukraine and Belarus. It is also common to a lower extent in Albania, Greece, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, and south-western Russia. I2-L621 (L147.2+) is also known as as I2a-Din (for Dinaric).

The high concentration of I2a1b-L621 in north-east Romania, Moldova and central Ukraine reminds of the maximum spread of the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture (4800-3000 BCE) before it was swallowed by the Indo-European Corded Ware culture. This could mean that the Cucuteni-Tripolye culture was a native European group of hunter-gatherers who adopted farming after coming in contact (with perhaps some intermarriages) with the Middle Eastern farmers who settled in the Balkans (haplogroups E1b1b, G2a, J2b and T). After being Indo-Europeanized, I2a-L621 would have become the dominant paternal lineage among southern Slavs, while R1a remained dominant among northern Slavs.

The presence of I2a-L621 in Romania and Bulgaria could be attributed to the migration of the ancient Dacians and Thracians, who emerged as a mixture of of indigenous peoples and Indo-Europeans (in this case, essentially R1a-Z280) sometime between 3300 and 1500 BCE. The Illyrians, who conquered the territory of former Yugoslavia circa 1200-1000 BCE, might have been an offshoot from the Dacians or the Thracians, or a closely related tribe from the Carpathian basin.

The second great expansion of I2a-Din took place with the Slavic migration in the Late Antiquity and Early Middle Ages. I2a-Din had started to mix with Proto-Indo-Euroepan R1a around Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus and Poland during the Corded Ware period (2900-2400 BCE), then disseminated more uniformly across Proto-Slavic tribes during the Bronze and Iron Ages. After Germanic tribes living in eastern Germany and Poland, like the Goths, the Vandals and the Burgundians, invaded the Roman Empire, the Slavs from further east filled the vacuum. Following the collapse of the Western Roman Empire in 476, the Slavs moved in the Dinaric Alps and the Balkans. By the 9th century the Slavs occupied all modern Slavic-speaking territories, apart from the eastern Balkans under the control of the Turkic-speaking Bulgars.

Nowadays northern Slavic countries have between 9% (Poland, Czech republic) and 21% (Ukraine) of I2a-L621, while southern Slavs have between 20% (Bulgaria) and 50% (Bosnia). The higher percentage of I2a-Din in the south owes to the cumulative effect of Bronze Age and Early Iron Age migrations (Dacians, Thracians, Illyrians) and the medieval Slavic migrations. The relatively high percentage of of I2a-L621 in non-Slavic people like the Hungarians (15% ), Albanians (12%) and Greeks (9%) dates from the Bronze Age and population movement inside the Roman Empire which redistributed I2a beyond the original Daco-Thracian and Illyrian territories. Based on these frequencies, and the distribution of R1a subclades, it can be assessed that the Daco-Thracians and Illyrians carried approximately two to three times more I2a-Din than R1a, while the Early Slavs must have had roughly twice more R1a than I2a-Din. The higher proportion of R1a in many northern Slavic countries today is due to earlier migrations of R1a during Bronze Age (such as L260 among West Slavs and Z92 and Z93 among Russians and Belarussians).

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But on 23andme I get 100% European for those who have not been tested with tribe to keep in mind.
My best guess is that 0.1% Ashkenazi European I get on 23andme turns into 10% Druze and 10% Palestinian instead, ancient Semitic perhaps.

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So to compare ethnicity composition from 23andme results
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[safinator]

I'm still not sure if yours is the Dinaric-North type.

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Sorry but mine is 12aL147.2 not I2aL621 if there's a difference?!

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I'm still not sure if yours is the Dinaric-North type.how the hell would I know then?!lol

[safinator]

how the hell would I know then?!lol

The matter is that south slavs are mostly Dinaric south, Dinaric north follows a slightly different pattern, being more common in countries like Romania, Moldova and Greece.

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The matter is that south slavs are mostly Dinaric south, Dinaric north follows a slightly different pattern, being more common in countries like Romania, Moldova and Greece.
Well, I seem to score the least amount of Slavic. Very tiny bit for someone like me being a Balkan I2a
Plus on the OP map theres a migration line from Africa 200.000 years ago entering Greece via turkey 20k-25k ago.
Also on 23andme majority of my top DNA relatives are from Greece Albania Top places.

[safinator]

Well, I seem to score the least amount of Slavic. Very tiny bit for someone like me being a Balkan I2a
Plus on the OP map theres a migration line from Africa 200.000 years ago entering Greece via turkey 20k-25k ago.
Also on 23andme majority of my top DNA relatives are from Greece Albania Top places.

Yes but the line doesn't mean you're Slavic just the migration patterns besides i thinkk it's not so good, probably 23 and me is more accurate for ancestry composition.

For Y-DNA though tribecode seems good.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

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There is no way that I formed in africa. Even if OOA is true then there's no way on earth to guess its route into europe. I mean Kenya? LOL Why Kenya in particular? What nonsense.

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Yes but the line doesn't mean you're Slavic just the migration patterns besides i thinkk it's not so good, probably 23 and me is more accurate for ancestry composition.

For Y-DNA though tribecode seems good.
Well yea, clearly tribecode gives me zero Balkan so their ancestry is all confusing..

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There is no way that I formed in africa. Even if OOA is true then there's no way on earth to guess its route into europe. I mean Kenya? LOL Why Kenya in particular? What nonsense.everyone started there 200.000 years ago isn't this true and universally agreed?!lol