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SupaThug
03-01-2015, 02:09 AM
Do you?I do from paternal and maternal side,from different places in Brazil.
Cody Gearhart
03-01-2015, 02:10 AM
Possibly.
Argentano
03-01-2015, 02:47 AM
nope
Sikeliot
03-01-2015, 03:03 AM
None at all. Most people I know do not, actually. Only one of my friends has any colonial ancestry, and they trace all the way back to the first English settlers of Massachusetts, but then most of the rest of their ancestry is Irish, French, German and so on, so not mostly English.
rhiannon
03-01-2015, 03:07 AM
Yes.
On both sides.
Black Wolf
03-01-2015, 03:08 AM
Do you?

How far back in time do you consider ''colonial''?
SupaThug
03-01-2015, 03:10 AM
How far back in time do you consider ''colonial''?

Before independence.
Black Wolf
03-01-2015, 03:16 AM
Before independence.

Yes then 25% of my ancestry is colonial. All of my ancestors from my maternal grandfather's side are colonial.
Black Wolf
03-01-2015, 03:31 AM
None at all. Most people I know do not, actually. Only one of my friends has any colonial ancestry, and they trace all the way back to the first English settlers of Massachusetts, but then most of the rest of their ancestry is Irish, French, German and so on, so not mostly English.

Don't a lot of the Scots -Irish in the US have pre-independence colonial ancestry?
Smaug
03-01-2015, 03:39 AM
No. I am 100% working class immigrant paddy bastard. To hell with WASPS or its Brazilian version, the "Quatrocentões".
SupaThug
03-01-2015, 03:42 AM
No. I am 100% working class immigrant paddy bastard. To hell with WASPS or its Brazilian version, the "Quatrocentões".

Even if they treated your ancestors bad,you'd probably not be here without them.
Smaug
03-01-2015, 03:47 AM
Even if they treated your ancestors bad,you'd probably not be here without them.

Fuck it. Fuck them. They were/are an evil elite.
SupaThug
03-01-2015, 03:52 AM
Fuck it. Fuck them. They were/are an evil elite.

Completly disagree.''Evil elites'' mentality goes completly against what I believe.Anyway,many succesful immigrant families married Quatrocentões,like the Matarazzo family,Marta Suplicy f.e descends from both,from Quatrocentões and from the Matarazzo family.Are the Matarazzo evil too?
HillY35
03-01-2015, 04:03 AM
The passage of time up to today would work to ensure that many, many New Worlders have colonial ancestry.
SupaThug
03-01-2015, 04:06 AM
The passage of time up to today would work to ensure that many, many New Worlders have colonial ancestry.

Yes,more NW of colonial ancestry are yet to vote
Smaug
03-01-2015, 04:16 AM
Completly disagree.''Evil elites'' mentality goes completly against what I believe.Anyway,many succesful immigrant families married Quatrocentões,like the Matarazzo family,Marta Suplicy f.e descends from both,from Quatrocentões and from the Matarazzo family.Are the Matarazzo evil too?

No.
SupaThug
03-01-2015, 04:20 AM
No.

Hmm,so rich families of immigrant background are not evil,but the colonial ones are?Quatrocentões have strong ties to this land,they are like living piece of history.Not to mention that many important symbols of São Paulo's culture like Mário de Andrade and Cornélio Pires were quatrocentões.
Smaug
03-01-2015, 04:23 AM
Hmm,so rich families of immigrant background are not evil,but the colonial ones are?Quatrocentões have strong ties to this land,they are like living piece of history.Not to mention that many important symbols of São Paulo's culture like Mário de Andrade and Cornélio Pires were quatrocentões.

Most were evil though.
SupaThug
03-01-2015, 04:28 AM
Most were evil though.

None of them were evil!They just had a slave-owner mentality,if you hate them because of this you'll sound like one of those patethic populists who hate people who descend from slave owners.And why the hell are the Quatrocentões evil and the Matarazzo not?Just because they are of immigrant backgorund?
Smaug
03-01-2015, 05:02 AM
None of them were evil!They just had a slave-owner mentality,if you hate them because of this you'll sound like one of those patethic populists who hate people who descend from slave owners.And why the hell are the Quatrocentões evil and the Matarazzo not?Just because they are of immigrant backgorund?

They treated my ancestors like shite and I know some members of Quatrocentões families, mainly older generations, who still look down on immigrants and their descendants, specially Italians.
LightHouse89
03-01-2015, 05:37 AM
Yes . I am largely descended from Colonials and Irish immigrants [mostly]. One Saxon ancestor and one Quebec ancestor [a colonial in the French variety from Brittany].
SupaThug
03-01-2015, 02:14 PM
They treated my ancestors like shite and I know some members of Quatrocentões families, mainly older generations, who still look down on immigrants and their descendants, specially Italians.

Old people usually have older mentalities.About looking down on italians,if they really disliked them they'd not have employed them some decades ago.Many italian descendants look down on anything that is not italian,many make fun of caipiras,anything that is part of our colonial culture,hate northeasterns(like that slut Mayara Petruso,or those idiots who call anyone ''baiano''),like to make fun of portuguese people,consider themselves the heroes of this land...I have italian ancestry and I know people who act and think like this.It's a trade-off,if some members of quatrocentões families look down on immigrants,some immigrants look down on anything that is colonial on this land.
SupaThug
03-01-2015, 06:10 PM
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Gooding
03-01-2015, 06:40 PM
Yes, indeed. All four sides of me are Colonial American, descended from English, Scots, Scots- Irish and Germans who settled in the British Colonies and 1/8 of me comes from the heavily French and German settled area of French Louisiana.
de Burgh II
03-01-2015, 06:42 PM
No, most of them came from the British Isles and France from the early 1900's with almost nothing that they work ardently to define.
SupaThug
03-01-2015, 07:18 PM
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sonofthedutch
03-01-2015, 08:19 PM
No Original Colonial ancestry. 1/4 of my ancestry is from an English man who arrived in the 1890s. The rest are from the Netherlands after WW2.
LightHouse89
03-01-2015, 09:21 PM
No, most of them came from the British Isles and France from the early 1900's with almost nothing that they work ardently to define.

That's good. Same here. Its rather a common background in our area. All white New Englanders are or have ancestry from the British Islands.
HillY35
03-01-2015, 09:41 PM
No, most of them came from the British Isles and France from the early 1900's with almost nothing that they work ardently to define.

No idea what you're advocating, but I had to compliment your English skills.
de Burgh II
03-01-2015, 09:52 PM
No idea what you're advocating, but I had to compliment your English skills.

Long story short; brought over little that they had and got themselves situated in society through their work ethic.
LightHouse89
03-01-2015, 10:00 PM
Long story short; brought over little that they had and got themselves situated in society through their work ethic.

Same with my Irish and German ancestors. They literally came here with very little and yet made it. It didn't even take a generation and they made something of themselves. Mind you today this would be called 'privilege'. LOL.

I think it goes to show that immigration should only be based on similarities with other groups. The way it use to be.
Carignan
03-01-2015, 10:11 PM
99.9% Colonial like most rural French-Canadians. My non-colonial ancestry is a Scottish couple and a German soldier from Brandenburg in the 1760s, right after the Conquest of New France
Prisoner Of Ice
03-01-2015, 10:12 PM
I do on both sides but it isn't all colonial, some did not come til 1800s.
LightHouse89
03-01-2015, 10:47 PM
I do on both sides but it isn't all colonial, some did not come til 1800s.

Where did they come from?
Prisoner Of Ice
03-01-2015, 10:49 PM
Where did they come from?

NW Ireland and Isle of Skye (like sean connery).
LightHouse89
03-01-2015, 10:50 PM
NW Ireland and Isle of Skye (like sean connery).

What about Prussia?
Prisoner Of Ice
03-01-2015, 10:51 PM
What about Prussia?

Only a small amount, that's not colonial though.
SupaThug
03-01-2015, 11:45 PM
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LieDetector
03-02-2015, 12:01 AM
No,but people over at SF all claim to be descendants of people who got off the mayflower.I really doubt anyone could trace their ancestry back that far......
Prisoner Of Ice
03-02-2015, 12:09 AM
No,but people over at SF all claim to be descendants of people who got off the mayflower.I really doubt anyone could trace their ancestry back that far......

:rolleyes:

Not if you don't even know your father.

Southern whites are almost 100% colonial, so is rural new england, most mormons etc.

Mormons trace their ancestry back, and you can go very far. 1400 is around when it becomes hard to find records in most of europe. So I know my mom's side very thoroughly, my dad's side less but still more than many.
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 12:27 AM
Anyone else ?
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 01:20 AM
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Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
03-02-2015, 01:21 AM
Yes, some. Most of my ancestors were 19th century immigrants, but I do have some Colonial ancestry.
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 02:43 AM
Nobody ?
Armand_Duval
03-02-2015, 02:50 AM
Yes on both sides.
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 03:00 AM
Yes on both sides.

Second Latin american of colonial ancestry to vote(after me of course) :)
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 12:45 PM
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BirdMan
03-02-2015, 12:47 PM
Yes, but I suppose technically all Puerto Rican ancestry is colonial because we have never been independent :lol:
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 01:30 PM
Yes, but I suppose technically all Puerto Rican ancestry is colonial because we have never been independent :lol:

Independence from Spain then.
dude
03-02-2015, 01:35 PM
I do.
BirdMan
03-02-2015, 01:37 PM
Independence from Spain then.

Well, Spain lost Puerto Rico in 1898 and most of my ancestors arrived from Spain in around 1860, so I guess I'm mainly colonial. My gandfather is the only real exception, he came during the Spanish civil war.
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 10:04 PM
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Dictator
03-02-2015, 10:12 PM
Old people usually have older mentalities.About looking down on italians,if they really disliked them they'd not have employed them some decades ago.Many italian descendants look down on anything that is not italian,many make fun of caipiras,anything that is part of our colonial culture,hate northeasterns(like that slut Mayara Petruso,or those idiots who call anyone ''baiano''),like to make fun of portuguese people,consider themselves the heroes of this land...I have italian ancestry and I know people who act and think like this.It's a trade-off,if some members of quatrocentões families look down on immigrants,some immigrants look down on anything that is colonial on this land.

She isn't a slut. She just said what everyone thinks but is afraid to tell.
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 10:14 PM
She isn't a slut. She just said what everyone thinks but is afraid to tell.

She is a disrespectful slut!
Dictator
03-02-2015, 10:16 PM
She is a disrespectful slut!


Truth doesn't care about feelings, respect or money. Truth is truth, can't be changed.
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 10:23 PM
Truth doesn't care about feelings, respect or money. Truth is truth, can't be changed.

Dude,it wasn't your family that was offended by that disgusting slut!She could have the word ''petista'' instead of using the words she used,she was disrespectful to me and many other people.
Dictator
03-02-2015, 10:33 PM
Dude,it wasn't your family that was offended by that disgusting slut!She could have the word ''petista'' instead of using the words she used,she was disrespectful to me and many other people.

First, you are correct. Her offenses do not affect my family, myself or any of my immediate friends. You can say that it's hypocrisy, or whatever you want to, but I believe she is (or should) be free to make any offensive comments.

Second, if her comments affected me, would I be mad? Of course I would. But then again, there isn't a Sulista problem in São Paulo. But there is a North-easterner problem in São Paulo, and not even you can deny that. North-easterner behavior in São Paulo is utterly disgusting, and as such we can give them the name of "Pests", for they follow it's basic concepts. They come, multiply, destroy, and multiply, and destroy again.

Third, she could have used the word Petista, but it would have little to no difference. What do the common person thinks when they hear "Partido dos Trabalhadores", well, there is Mensalão, Lula, MST and Nordeste. You can't blame them. You can't even blame North-easterners for being what they are, and doing what they do.

But why can't we blame them? Because that's their nature. We don't blame the Lion for killing it's prey. In the same way that we don't blame pests for destroying it's target. But even if we don't blame pests, you know what we do with them? We fight back, and kill it.
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 10:37 PM
First, you are correct. Her offenses do not affect my family, myself or any of my immediate friends. You can say that it's hypocrisy, or whatever you want to, but I believe she is (or should) be free to make any offensive comments.

Second, if her comments affected me, would I be mad? Of course I would. But then again, there isn't a Sulista problem in São Paulo. But there is a North-easterner problem in São Paulo, and not even you can deny that. North-easterner behavior in São Paulo is utterly disgusting, and as such we can give them the name of "Pests", for they follow it's basic concepts. They come, multiply, destroy, and multiply, and destroy again.

Third, she could have used the word Petista, but it would have little to no difference. What do the common person thinks when they hear "Partido dos Trabalhadores", well, there is Mensalão, Lula, MST and Nordeste. You can't blame them. You can't even blame North-easterners for being what they are, and doing what they do.

But why can't we blame them? Because that's their nature. We don't blame the Lion for killing it's prey. In the same way that we don't blame pests for destroying it's target. But even if we don't blame pests, you know what we do with them? We fight back, and kill it.

I am done arguing with you.You like to troll me because I am idiot enough to give attention to you.Everything you said is based on the stereotypical image of northeasterns,wich has some truth in it,but it's far from being representative of northeasterns.
Dictator
03-02-2015, 10:39 PM
I am done arguing with you.You like to troll me because I am idiot enough to give attention to you.Everything you said is based on the stereotypical image of northeasterns,wich has some truth in it,but it's far from being representative of northeasterns.


I am not trolling. These are my views.
SupaThug
03-02-2015, 10:42 PM
I am not trolling. These are my views.

You know that I am part northeasterner...I think she has the right to say what she wants,but it doesn't change the fact that she is wrong and bases her view on stereotypes!
Dictator
03-02-2015, 10:46 PM
You know that I am part northeasterner...I think she has the right to say what she wants,but it doesn't change the fact that she is wrong and bases her view on stereotypes!


This isn't about you, stop being so egocentric. I know you are part north-easterner, and what? So did that other guy that is gone, who cares? I don't. My opinion about north-easterners was here long before you both.
clockwatch
03-03-2015, 03:08 PM
I may have colonial ancestry on my mothers side. I know some people who can trace their lineage back to the founding families.
Mr Moi
03-04-2015, 02:35 PM
Probably over 90% pre colonial. I have a few of 4th GreatGrandparents who came to the United States from Ireland (Antrim and Wexford) around 1800.
Mr Moi
03-07-2015, 10:17 PM
I have 12 direct ancestors who fought in the US Revolutionary war, five tories and seven Patriots.


Loyalist:
Jacob Eaman 1758 NY 1849 Ont Helmer
Amos Rambough 1751 NY 1808 Ont Helmer
Hans Jacob Rambach 1731 Germany 1790 Ont Helmer
Jacob Countryman 1743 NY 1814 Ont Helmer
John Bradshaw 1761 Ireland 1812 Ont Helmer Captured in NY Took an oath in Canada

US:
Philip Helmer 1757 NY 1820 Helmer
Philip Helmer 1728 NY 1828 NY Helmer
Lt. Johannes Bellinger 1719 NY 1777 NY Helmer KIA Battle of Oriskany NY
Thomas Hanaway 1744 PA 1821 PA Greene
Johann Georg Marker 1722 Germany 1823 PA Wright
Maj. Cornelius Carhart 1729 NJ 1810 NJ Dickenson
Capt. Samuel Smith 1749 PA 1835 PA Dickinson
Trogdor
03-07-2015, 10:24 PM
Not that I know of. My own father is a recent immigrant himself. I don't have any connections to colonists in my family.
Violin Spider
03-11-2015, 06:01 PM
Delete my post, please (edited)
Smitty
03-26-2015, 05:32 AM
Yes, on my dad's side.
Weedman
03-27-2015, 10:43 PM
I have nothing but colonial ancestry in my entire tree. 100%


but that's very typical for most people from the southern U.S.
Weedman
03-27-2015, 10:50 PM
I have 12 direct ancestors who fought in the US Revolutionary war, five tories and seven Patriots.


Loyalist:
Jacob Eaman 1758 NY 1849 Ont Helmer
Amos Rambough 1751 NY 1808 Ont Helmer
Hans Jacob Rambach 1731 Germany 1790 Ont Helmer
Jacob Countryman 1743 NY 1814 Ont Helmer
John Bradshaw 1761 Ireland 1812 Ont Helmer Captured in NY Took an oath in Canada

US:
Philip Helmer 1757 NY 1820 Helmer
Philip Helmer 1728 NY 1828 NY Helmer
Lt. Johannes Bellinger 1719 NY 1777 NY Helmer KIA Battle of Oriskany NY
Thomas Hanaway 1744 PA 1821 PA Greene
Johann Georg Marker 1722 Germany 1823 PA Wright
Maj. Cornelius Carhart 1729 NJ 1810 NJ Dickenson
Capt. Samuel Smith 1749 PA 1835 PA Dickinson damn you have a lot of traitors in your family, lmfao
Mr Moi
03-27-2015, 10:56 PM
All Palentine Germans... They all ended up in Canada after the War. Actually one of the Helmers who was a Patriot decided to pretend he was a Torrie and get some free land in Ontario...
SupaThug
08-31-2015, 02:31 PM
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Southerner
09-13-2015, 05:00 AM
Yup, 100% Colonial. Family has been here since 1526 :D
Aodhan
09-13-2015, 05:02 AM
Yes but idk how old it is
Annie999
09-13-2015, 05:03 AM
I have 1% native american so yes, I don't know where exactly it came from though. I always thought it came from my dad's side, since I have 1 great grandfather that was already living here, but some at the classification thread of my parents said my mom has minor amerindian traits so the native should come from her side instead (others says she doesn't). Also for all I know there were no colonials from her side, while 1 grandfather from my dad's side was colonial. So the point is I don't know where my native comes from.
Brianna
09-13-2015, 05:09 AM
I have connections to colonial North Carolina, Virginia, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey, Maryland, and Rhode Island. I'm referring to states or states later formed from states.
Gooding
09-13-2015, 02:32 PM
I have connections to colonial North Carolina, Virginia, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey, Maryland, and Rhode Island. I'm referring to states or states later formed from states.

I wonder if we could be related..
Southerner
09-13-2015, 06:41 PM
I wonder if we could be related..

It's very likely tbh. A lot and I mean A LOT of natives are descended from prominent colonial families. There should be a connection at some point if you go back far enough.
de Burgh II
09-13-2015, 06:44 PM
Yes.... from the Great Canada and beyond!
Brianna
09-14-2015, 12:10 AM
I wonder if we could be related..

It wouldn't surprise me. Many Americans, who trace their ancestors back to the colonial period, are related. Sometimes, it's like the six degrees of Nathaniel Bacon. No, that's not a typo, Kevin.
BeerBaron
09-14-2015, 12:23 AM
Nope, they all came from Norway, 1920s or 30's, a little after the great scandinavian migration of 1895.
Demon Revival
09-14-2015, 12:49 AM
I have pre-colonial, colonial and post colonial ancestry.
Pony
09-14-2015, 12:49 PM
I have pre-colonial and some colonial , pre-colonial were the first Germans and Dutch to come to America in 1683, after that some of my English and French ancestors came over.
Then in the 1800s the majority of my ancestors came from Ireland.
El_Jibaro
07-01-2021, 03:31 PM
Yes, 1/4th. Although the vast majority of my "colonial" line ancestors came after 1815 because of Royal Decree Of Graces. I can trace my colonial line ancestry on the island to the first Canarians that came due to Tributo de sangre through 1695 - 1720 ish though.
Tenma de Pegasus
07-01-2021, 03:38 PM
Yes, 100% or close to it.
zebruh
08-07-2021, 10:18 PM
Yes.
Celestia
08-07-2021, 10:47 PM
Yes
Mr.G
08-07-2021, 11:14 PM
Nope.

Hungarian side came here in the 20th century.

German side came in the 19th century.

And my English ancestor immigrated here in the 19th century as well.
axel.aleman
08-07-2021, 11:19 PM
Yes, Canarian, West African, Panamanian Natives and some possible Andalucian ancestry
Creoda
08-08-2021, 12:05 AM
No. I am a first generation new worlder. Somehow I get Australian & American genetic communities though, including my own state.

https://i.postimg.cc/GhLSR3ND/Capture.jpg
Andullero
08-08-2021, 12:13 AM
Yep, on Hispaniola circa 1577.
CordedWhelp
08-08-2021, 12:17 AM
No. I’m a new-worlder, but immigrants 1850’s plus. Polish side 1900’s.
Redmar
08-08-2021, 12:46 AM
No. I am a first generation new worlder. Somehow I get Australian & American genetic communities though, including my own state.

https://i.postimg.cc/GhLSR3ND/Capture.jpg

Are first generations Anglo-Australians common?
Creoda
08-08-2021, 12:59 AM
Are first generations Anglo-Australians common?
Fairly common because after WWII there was an assisted migration scheme that brought over loads of British (also quite a few Dutch btw) for about 25 years. A large number of famous Australians come from those 'ten pound poms', though you wouldn't know. Most Anglo-Australians have 19th century colonial ancestry though, as you'd expect.
Erronkari
08-08-2021, 01:05 AM
Not properly “colonial”.
My first ancestor from the Old World came the most líkely around 1830… (independence was in 1830).
Rafael Passoni
08-08-2021, 01:13 AM
No.
Rædwald
08-08-2021, 01:43 AM
Yes, nearly 100%
Redmar
08-08-2021, 01:50 AM
Fairly common because after WWII there was an assisted migration scheme that brought over loads of British (also quite a few Dutch btw) for about 25 years. A large number of famous Australians come from those 'ten pound poms', though you wouldn't know. Most Anglo-Australians have 19th century colonial ancestry though, as you'd expect.

Was aware about the Dutch assisted migrations. There is also a sizable Dutch community in Canada and to some extent the US. Notably Frisian farmers and Northern Dutch in general. Is there a difference between where both groups migrated from? I would expect most colonial Anglo-Australians to be from South-Eastern England.
Andullero
08-08-2021, 01:53 AM
No. I am a first generation new worlder. Somehow I get Australian & American genetic communities though, including my own state.

https://i.postimg.cc/GhLSR3ND/Capture.jpg

https://scontent.fsti4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/42478653_2693109177381963_7975077218617393152_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-4&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_eui2=AeGQyQtlw-zeRNXJYpix7LPFyYwpVlcL27vJjClWVwvbu_clSUOoptrchE7q JgcAeOE&_nc_ohc=BCG1_6v4TlgAX8lEiSA&_nc_ht=scontent.fsti4-1.fna&oh=b4b7b98b1bc745e3015dcbd26ecfe065&oe=6136956B

Source: Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America
Creoda
08-08-2021, 02:21 AM
Was aware about the Dutch assisted migrations. There is also a sizable Dutch community in Canada and to some extent the US. Notably Frisian farmers and Northern Dutch in general. Is there a difference between where both groups migrated from? I would expect most colonial Anglo-Australians to be from South-Eastern England.
It might be true that the colonial migration was a bit more Southeastern English overall, afterall the Aussie accent clearly comes from the SE English/London accent, and the First Fleets left from Portsmouth. The colonial settlers also had more rural people coming out here to set up farms, but even then they were mostly from Industrial cities and towns across England where most of the population was, just like the post-war migrants. Anglo-Australians are more pan-English than Anglo-Americans, who are mostly Southern.

On the Dutch, my former local soccer club the next suburb over used to be Ringwood Wilhelmina, set up in the 50s by migrants and playing in orange.
http://www.ringwoodcitysc.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/images.jpeg
Redmar
08-08-2021, 02:30 AM
It might be true that the colonial migration was a bit more Southeastern English overall, after all the Aussie accent clearly comes from the SE English/London accent, and the First Fleets left from Portsmouth. The colonial settlers also had more rural English coming out here to set up farms, but even then they were mostly from Industrial cities and towns across England where most of the population was, just like the post-war migrants. Anglo-Australians are more pan-English than Anglo-Americans, who are mostly Southern.

On the Dutch, my former local soccer club the next suburb over used to be Ringwood Wilhelmina, set up in the 50s by migrants and playing in orange.
http://www.ringwoodcitysc.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/images.jpeg

The Aussies strike me as a really English people. But of course more laid back and easygoing with a great sense of honour, which they owe to their English heritage :cool: