German female MEPs and Italian female MEPs - compare and contrast

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Just exactly how much overlap is there between both sides of the Alps? Let us explore.

GERMANY:
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GERMANY (cont.):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Angelika_Niebler_MEP,_Strasbourg_-_Diliff.jpghttp://i2.wp.com/schwarzkopf-stiftung.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/maria-maskiert-838x700-e1394181107998.pnghttp://www.spd-gelsenkirchen.de/files/preussgabriele_1870_2761.jpghttp://www.quisthoudt-rowohl.de/image/presse/131.jpghttp://ais.badische-zeitung.de/piece/05/0f/7c/79/84900985.jpghttps://linksextremistin.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/109-terry-reintke.jpghttp://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/rodust101_v-contentgross.jpghttp://www.spd.de/scalableImageBlob/116676/data/birgit_sippel_foto-data.jpg?scalePortraits=true&height=350&width=620&perfectTeaserScale=truehttp://www.xanthipress.gr/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/steinruck.jpghttp://www.geolitico.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Bildschirmfoto-2013-08-16-um-10.06.42.jpghttp://www.ln-online.de/var/storage/images/ln/nachrichten/fotostrecken-nachrichten/die-spitzenkandidaten-des-nordens/3bbr0513/54283673-1-ger-DE/3bbr0513_reference.jpghttp://www.altona.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/helga_gros.jpghttp://www.eppgroup.eu/sites/default/files/styles/large_wratio/public/photo/2014/03/Portrait%20Sabine%20Verheyen%20Wahlkampf%202014-25022014-ip.jpg?itok=NBPjNAQVhttp://www.spd.de/scalableImageBlob/116440/data/martina_werner_foto-data.jpg?scalePortraits=true&height=350&width=620&perfectTeaserScale=truehttp://static1.mainpost.de/storage/pic/mpnlneu/th/2214093_1_xio-fcmsimage-20090517210852-006002-4a1060c415fb9.15P3NX.jpg?version=1286477200http://cdn1.cache.twofourdigital.net/mediafreedom/storage/origin/europarltv/84721ea8-f43f-401f-8462-a06100f7bb9b/images/master/v006-0042.jpg

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ITALY:
http://www.salernotoday.it/~media/originale/38267104206186/isabella-adinolfi-4.jpghttp://www.ilpost.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/laura-agea.jpghttp://www.primadanoi.it/resizer/485/-1/true/UpkPfA5XLjjWeVJSbKXeKM/pfvjUr6lzxfNEeuvWzPs=--.jpghttp://www.eunews.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Tiziana-Beghin.pnghttp://media.athesiseditrice.it/media/2009/04/05_33_gdv_f1_594_medium.jpghttp://www.europaquotidiano.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/simona-bonafe-2.jpghttp://static.ilfoglio.it/redazione/articoli/old/2/2009/01/113462//Bresso2.jpghttp://www.sarzanachebotta.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_2315.jpghttp://www.ragusanews.com/immagini_articoli/23-04-2014/1398263677-vittoria-si-presenta-il-libro-di-caterina-chinnici.jpghttp://www.eunews.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Lara-Comi.jpghttp://www.tafter.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/silviacosta.jpghttp://i.res.24o.it/images2010/Editrice/ILSOLE24ORE/ILSOLE24ORE/Online/Immagini/ArticleGallery/Notizie/2014/06/eletti-M5S-europa/rosa-d_amato-fotogramma-672.jpg?uuid=cefee280-ed6f-11e3-83cd-be04e803f2b6http://messaggeroveneto.gelocal.it/polopoly_fs/1.9301049.1401099845!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/detail_558/image.jpghttp://www.cormano5stelle.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Eleonora-Evi-low-res.jpghttp://www.siderno5stelle.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/highres_143931812.jpeghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Eleonora_Forenza_MEP.jpghttp://www.elisabettagardini.it/upload/files/gardini%20okkk.jpghttp://bari.repubblica.it/images/2013/12/06/212119249-35882f94-f7dc-4638-807d-9a1fb50d1630.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/457296569046687744/4KOBhNqH_400x400.jpeghttp://images.virgilio.it/sg/notizie1024/upload/bar/0002/barbara_matera_4501.jpg

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ITALY (cont.):
http://blog.you-ng.it/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2014/06/giulia_moi_m5s_non_me_lo_aspettavo_a_italiani_manc ato_coraggio_di_dire_bast-0-0-403611.jpghttp://www.alteracultura.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/alessia-mosca.jpghttp://cdn1.stbm.it/miseparo/gallery/foto_gallery/divorzi-vip/alessandra-mussolini-matrimonio-in-crisi-dopo-scandalo-baby-squillo/alessandra-mussolini-primo-piano.jpeg?-3600http://www.wdonna.it/wp-content/uploads//2014/07/PICIERNO.jpghttp://www.ticinolibero.ch/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Elly-Schlein.jpghttp://i.huffpost.com/gen/1601021/thumbs/o-BARBARA-SPINELLI-facebook.jpghttp://www.patriziatoia.info/home/cache/widgetkit/gallery/1/patrizia_1-a265c77f54.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

The photos are now ready.

[SupaThug]

They show some resamblace,but overall,they look different.

[Nurzat]

no overlap at all - and it is in accordance to the PCA plots: Italians don't overlap at all with Germans genetically, nor phenotype-wise

[Tooting Carmen]

no overlap at all

Now surely that is an exaggeration, though of course as groups they are quite different.

[Ulla]

Some could really overlap.

[Smaug]

There's a good o overlaping. All German MEPs could pass in Italy and at least part of the Italian MEPs could pass in Germany.

[Tooting Carmen]

Some could really overlap.

Is it more that some of the Italians look Northern Euro, or that some of the Germans look Southern Euro?

[Smaug]

Is it more that some of the Italians look Northern Euro, or that some of the Germans look Southern Euro?

Nobody looks North Euro in this set. The looks vary from South Euro to Central Euro.

[Tooting Carmen]

Nobody looks North Euro in this set.

None of the Germans look North Euro? LOL.

[Smaug]

None of the Germans look North Euro? LOL.

Not really. More Central Euro. Blue eyes/blond hair =/= North Euro. Never forget that.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not really. More Central Euro. Blue eyes/blond hair =/= North Euro. Never forget that.

Yes I know. But even so, why'd you say that their facial features are more Central than Northern Euro though?

[Ulla]

Is it more that some of the Italians look Central Euro, or that some of the Germans look Southern Euro?

This.

[Smaug]

Yes I know. But even so, why'd you say that their facial features are more Central than Northern Euro though?

Yes, more rounded features.

[Sikeliot]

It is more that they converge at looking Southern European, though as groups can clearly be distinguished.

[Tooting Carmen]

It is more that they converge at looking Southern European

:confused:

[pelikarski]

Most Germans can pass as Italians than the reverse

[Tooting Carmen]

Most Germans can pass as Italians than the reverse

Which actually goes with what I've said for a long time - most if not all phenotypes in Northern Europe can also be found in Southern Europe (albeit to a smaller extent), but NOT the other way round.

[Smaug]

Which actually goes with what I've said for a long time - most if not all phenotypes in Northern Europe can also be found in Southern Europe (albeit to a smaller extent), but NOT the other way round.

Not really. It's actually the Germans who have a higher number of Southern-looking people.

[pelikarski]

Generally the average German wouldnt stand out in Italy, but if you see 2-3 Germans you can clearly tell they are foreigners

[Ulla]

Which actually goes with what I've said for a long time - most if not all phenotypes in Northern Europe can also be found in Southern Europe (albeit to a smaller extent), but NOT the other way round.

In my opinion the overlap is more in Central Euro types (also found in southern Europe) than in Southern ones. Germany is a mixture of Northern, Central and (to a lesser extent?) Southern European types.

BTW which is in your opinion the border between Northern, Central and Southern European phenotypes?


Generally the average German wouldnt stand out in Italy, but if you see 2-3 Germans you can clearly tell they are foreigners

These could pass in South Tyrol. :)

[Tooting Carmen]

In my opinion the overlap is more in Central Euro types (also found in southern Europe) than in Southern ones. Germany is a mixture of Northern, Central and (to a lesser extent?) Southern European types.

All true.


BTW which is the border between Northern, Central and Southern European phenotypes?

Baltid, Faelid, Nordid, Tronder, KN, Borreby, Brunn etc. are Northern Euro types that can be found to a smaller extent in Southern Europe.
Alpine and Dinarid are the two major Central Euro types, sometimes with a Med component.
Atlantids and Atlanto-Meds are basically Southern Euro types, but with a reasonable presence in parts of Northern Europe (especially UK/Ireland).
Pontids are basically Southern Euro types, but with a reasonable presence throughout all of Eastern Europe.
The Southern Euro types that are rare-to-non-existent in Northern Europe include Gracile Meds, Berids, South Meds, East Meds and Armenoids.

[pelikarski]

The Southern Euro types that are rare-to-non-existent in Northern Europe include Gracile Meds, Berids, South Meds, East Meds and Armenoids.
These are not European types

[Tooting Carmen]

These are not European types

Gracile Meds and Berids are. The others, although associated with the MENA, do have a certain presence in Southern Europe too.

[Ulla]

These are not European types

South Meds and Armenoids, but the others (Gracile Meds, Berids, East Meds) are findable in all southern Europe from Iberia to Balkans.

[Sikeliot]

East Med is as much a European type as any other. South Med and Armenoid are not.

[Tooting Carmen]

East Med is as much a European type as any other. South Med and Armenoid are not.

I'm not sure - don't some genetic calculators use "East Med" to refer to the Levant?

[Kazbolat]

no overlap. some italian meps even look jewish.

[Ulla]

.Baltid, Faelid, Nordid, Tronder, KN, Borreby, Brunn etc. are Northern Euro types that can be found to a smaller extent in Southern Europe.

In Italy among these ones are more common Subnordid and Borreby, to a smaller extent the others except Baltid and Brunn (but pseudo-looking Baltid and Brunn are findable).


.Alpine and Dinarid are the two major Central Euro types, sometimes with a Med component.

These ones are extremely common in Italy, probably among the most common.


Atlantids and Atlanto-Meds are basically Southern Euro types, but with a reasonable presence in parts of Northern Europe (especially UK/Ireland). Pontids are basically Southern Euro types, but with a reasonable presence throughout all of Eastern Europe. The Southern Euro types that are rare-to-non-existent in Northern Europe include Gracile Meds, Berids, South Meds, East Meds and Armenoids.

I have only a doubt about Atlantids and Atlanto-Meds. Are Southern Euro only?


I'm not sure - don't some genetic calculators use "East Med" to refer to the Levant?

Neolithic farmers by the way. So Europeans.

[Faklon]

What's the names of the Italian MPs?

The South-Euro types that are uncommon in Northern Euro are primarily South Arabid and Beast-Mad.

When the reverse is true for Borreby,Faelid,Brunn and various other names for the same taxonomical value.

[Tooting Carmen]

Here are their respective lists:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/search.html?country=DE
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/search.html?country=IT

Anyway, returning to topic, how similar or different do people find the two samples from one another?

[Ulla]

What's the names of the Italian MPs?.

They are too many. Do you really need the names? Btw they are all Italian.

[Faklon]

Hm,interesting.

Laura Agea in British google (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=laura+agea&biw=1366&bih=657&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=k4r0VO_gK9L3aq_QgsAD&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg#imgdii=_&imgrc=QT6g_YGY5rmH4M%253A%3BcQbhl-rfhwH8TM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.perugiatoday.it% 252F~media%252Foriginale%252F36188439112795%252Fla ura-agea-2.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.perugiatoday.it%252 Fpolitica%252Flaura-agea-candidata-movimento-5-stelle.html%3B654%3B640)

http://www.perugiatoday.it/~media/originale/36188439112795/laura-agea-2.jpg
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/mepphoto/124811.jpg

Simona Bonafe (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=simona+bonafe&biw=1366&bih=657&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=-or0VJ-oL8rtaprAgVA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#imgdii=_&imgrc=VFx62wN8kdm9IM%253A%3BjyGhmHSW0OWLyM%3Bhttps %253A%252F%252Fpbs.twimg.com%252Fprofile_images%25 2F462246871315251200%252Fvz7NhY6p.jpeg%3Bhttps%253 A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252Fsimonabonafe%3B1252%3B1 252)

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/462246871315251200/vz7NhY6p.jpeg

The seem very neutral pictures and they're first to appear.I'm wondering why someone wouldn't choose them.

[Tooting Carmen]

They are too many. Do you really need the names? Btw they are all Italian.

I just posted the lists for both groups above.

[Venetkens]

Quote Originally Posted by Kylie Estefan View Post
.Baltid, Faelid, Nordid, Tronder, KN, Borreby, Brunn etc. are Northern Euro types that can be found to a smaller extent in Southern Europe.
1 In Italy among these ones are more common Subnordid and Borreby, to a smaller extent the others except Baltid and Brunn (but pseudo-looking Baltid and Brunn are findable).

Quote Originally Posted by Kylie Estefan View Post
.Alpine and Dinarid are the two major Central Euro types, sometimes with a Med component.
2 These ones are extremely common in Italy, probably among the most common.

Quote Originally Posted by Kylie Estefan View Post
Atlantids and Atlanto-Meds are basically Southern Euro types, but with a reasonable presence in parts of Northern Europe (especially UK/Ireland). Pontids are basically Southern Euro types, but with a reasonable presence throughout all of Eastern Europe. The Southern Euro types that are rare-to-non-existent in Northern Europe include Gracile Meds, Berids, South Meds, East Meds and Armenoids.
3 I have only a doubt about Atlantids and Atlanto-Meds. Are Southern Euro only?

Quote Originally Posted by Kylie Estefan View Post
I'm not sure - don't some genetic calculators use "East Med" to refer to the Levant?
Neolithic farmers by the way. So Europeans.

1 That's right Sub-Nordid and Borreby are quite present here (don't forget about Norid).

2 Alpine (especially in North-West) and Dinarid (especially in North-East) are the dominant type here.

3 Not, Atlantid/Atlanto-Med can be found also in UK (especially Wales), Switzerland and Austria/South Germany.

[Tiberio]

Elly Schlein is Jewish and Kazbech is a sock account.

[Trun]

Dinarid isn't Central but Southeastern type. Its core is in Hercegovina, Dalmatia, Montenegro, Kosovo and Northern Albania.

[Trun]

Italy and Germany share Alpine, Subnordid, Norid and Dinarid types (more rarely Nordid in Italy and Atlantid/Atlanto-Med in Germany). The overlap between the two sets is based on these types.

[Tooting Carmen]

Italy and Germany share Alpine, Subnordid, Norid and Dinarid types (more rarely Nordid in Italy and Atlantid/Atlanto-Med in Germany). The overlap between the two sets is based on these types.

To what extent would you say the two samples in the OP are mutually interchangeable then?

[Trun]

To what extent would you say the two samples in the OP are mutually interchangeable then?

Not enough to be called "similar" but the overlap is there and it isn't that small.

[Ulla]

1 That's right Sub-Nordid and Borreby are quite present here (don't forget about Norid)

Right. Common in North-East Italy but not only.

[Volscian]

Where are the Germans? :)

[Tooting Carmen]

Where are the Germans? :)

:confused:

[Volscian]

:confused:
You're not used to the high class trolling. :)

[Bulava]

Great thread.

There are 1 Jewish and 1 Sardinian women among the Italians.

If you exclude them, the frequency of pure light eyes among Italians is ~40%.

[dawson]

where did you pick the Italian politicians? never seen before most of them

[Ctwentysevenj]

Another Interesting comparison, south Tyrolese politician Ulli Mair
http://www.buongiornosuedtirol.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Mair.jpg

[Ctwentysevenj]

Another italian politician Maria Boschi
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00527/07c48430-9b59-11e3-_527287c.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

where did you pick the Italian politicians? never seen before most of them

I posted the link near the beginning of the thread. They are the Italian Members of the European Parliament.

[Odin]

Italian MEPs are mainly Meds.

[Regnera]

Most of them have wide face in these pictures.

[Tooting Carmen]

Most of them have wide face in these pictures.

The Germans or the Italians?

[Regnera]

The Germans or the Italians?

Both.