Iberians are NOT mostly Gracile Med

[Sikeliot]

Iberians are NOT gracile. There are a lot of robust Berid types, long-faced Atlanto Meds and so on. Iberians are not gracile as a whole nor would you classify them as Gracile Med so I do not know why people keep spreading this nonsense misinformation.

[Drakoblare]

The fuck does Gracile even mean?
Sounds like a Greek insult.

[Conte Mascetti]

How can you call a small, dark, leptoprosopic, dolichocephalic phenotype, which is extremely common in Iberia?
Gracile Mediterranean.
How can Gracile Mediterranean type also be called, according to many physical anthropologists?
Ibero-Insular.

[Ianus]

Why are you demoted from administrator?

[Drakoblare]

Why are you demoted from administrator?

Loki getting mad at Italic Roots?

[solaris]

sikeliot's daily issues.

[Styrian Mujo]

I have actually seen Spaniards IRL and most I have seen were what I would call gracile Mediterranid (of the western variety). I few seem like a combination of Baskid,Atlanto-CM,Berid and Atlanto-Mediterranid. Overall dark in pigmentation but still very western looking and distinct from southern Italians and Greeks. I never saw any Portuguese though but I reckon they look about the same.

[Sikeliot]

Why are you demoted from administrator?

I am a scapegoat for other people's issues.

[Dictator]

I am a scapegoat for other people's issues.

No, you are not.

[Drakoblare]

I have actually seen Spaniards IRL and most I have seen were what I would call gracile Mediterranid (of the western variety). I few seem like a combination of Baskid,Atlanto-CM,Berid and Atlanto-Mediterranid. Overall dark in pigmentation but still very western looking and distinct from southern Italians and Greeks. I never saw any Portuguese though but I reckon they look about the same.

Greeks I know who went to Spain were confused for locals and had people speak to them in Spanish. I was told they didn't look any different than us, dunno how it goes though.

[Sikeliot]

Greeks I know who went to Spain were confused for locals and had people speak to them in Spanish. I was told they didn't look any different than us, dunno how it goes though.

I think southern Italians and Greek islanders are more "Gracile Med" and that Iberians are Atlanto-Med, and mainland Greeks more Pontid/AtlantoMed so I agree with you that there should not be a huge difference between Spaniards and Greeks.

[Conte Mascetti]

Greeks I know who went to Spain were confused for locals and had people speak to them in Spanish. I was told they didn't look any different than us, dunno how it goes though.

Nothing seems out of the ordinary.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Mediterranean-admixture.gif

[armenianbodyhair]

K.

[ius semper]

I'm spaniard and almost all my friends are atlanto-med even gracile med is quite common too in the south. For the italians I know, they're all atlanto-med (from venetto).

[Equilibrium]

The fuck does Gracile even mean?

Basically someone like Sikeliot. ;)

[Drakoblare]

I'm spaniard and almost all my friends are atlanto-med even gracile med is quite common too in the south. For the italians I know, they're all atlanto-med (from venetto).

Spaniard? I thought you were Catalan.

[ius semper]

Spaniard? I thought you were Catalan.

Its still the same.

[Drakoblare]

Its still the same.

Wouldn't you say that Catalans and Spanish(Castillians) are a different ethnic group?

[ius semper]

Wouldn't you say that Catalans and Spanish(Castillians) are a different ethnic group?

culturally speaking yes but not racially.

[Drakoblare]

culturally speaking yes but not racially.

Makes sense.

[ius semper]

Makes sense.

If you have any doubt, just check "catalonia" in wikipedia, and you'll see it's in Spain. Thus, I'm spanish too even spanish isn't my mother toungue.

[Drakoblare]

If you have any doubt, just check "catalonia" in wikipedia, and you'll see it's in Spain. Thus, I'm spanish too even spanish isn't my mother toungue.

Ahahah, I know that m8. It's just that you're the first Catalan I've seen who introduced himself with his citizienship instead of his ethnicity and I wanted to see how "Spanish" you feel.

[ius semper]

Ahahah, I know that m8. It's just that you're the first Catalan I've seen who introduced himself with his citizienship instead of his ethnicity and I wanted to see how "Spanish" you feel.

hahaha it's ok. catalans normally don't introduce themselves as spaniards, but I do even I'm 100% catalan. At the end of the day, catalonia has been almost always spain

[Conte Mascetti]

:D

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55583&d=1425398439

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How can you call a small, dark, leptoprosopic, dolichocephalic phenotype, which is extremely common in Iberia?
Gracile Mediterranean.
How can Gracile Mediterranean type also be called, according to many physical anthropologists?
Ibero-Insular.

So, my dear Cristiano viejo, are you denying what I claimed?
If yes, could you explain why?

[ius semper]

:D

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55583&d=1425398439

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So, my dear Cristiano viejo, are you denying what I claimed?
If yes, could you explain why?


Just a question: if it can also be called "ibero-insular", and insular means islander, does that mean that gracile-meds are from iberian islands? ex: balearic?
anyway, I think that in average here in catalonia atlanto-med is the most common fenotype. don't know in the south

[Conte Mascetti]

Just a question: if it can also be called "ibero-insular", and insular means islander, does that mean that gracile-meds are from iberian islands? ex: balearic?
anyway, I think that in average here in catalonia atlanto-med is the most common fenotype. don't know in the south

No, Ibero-Insular type is called in this way by many physical anthropologists such as Deniker and Czekanowski because it's more common in Iberia and mediterranean islands (Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily).

[Sikeliot]

I agree that Gracile Med types are found on the islands (moreso Crete and Sicily than Sardinia) but what I disagree with is that they are predominant in Iberia. Moreover I do not find Sicilians to resemble Iberians apart from both looking Southern European.

[Conte Mascetti]

I agree that Gracile Med types are found on the islands (moreso Crete and Sicily than Sardinia) but what I disagree with is that they are predominant in Iberia. Moreover I do not find Sicilians to resemble Iberians apart from both looking Southern European.

Gracile mediterranean is very, very, very, very, very, very [...] common in Sardinia (more than Sicily).
And in Iberia, too.
I repeat: how do you call a small, dark, leptoprosopic and dolichocephalic type?
What's the average height in Iberia? Small.
Average hair color? Dark.
Average facial index? High.
Average cephalic index? Low.

[Sikeliot]

Sicilians are short and small often but they have prominent features: large eyes, prominent nose. I do not think their FACIAL traits are gracile, more so the body shape. Sardinians are heavily Berid though (a robust type) are they not?

[ius semper]

Gracile mediterranean is very, very, very, very, very, very [...] common in Sardinia (more than Sicily).
And in Iberia, too.
I repeat: how do you call a small, dark, leptoprosopic and dolichocephalic type?
What's the average height in Iberia? Small.
Average hair color? Dark.
Average facial index? High.
Average cephalic index? Low.

False. Most common fenotype in spain is atlanto-med as well as it is in italy. And spanish average height is 1'78; which isn't small, its like in italy or france.

[Sikeliot]

False. Most common fenotype in spain is atlanto-med as well as it is in italy. And spanish average height is 1'78; which isn't small, its like in italy or france.

Atlanto-Med is not the most common type anywhere in Italy. North Italians have more Dinarid and Alpine, and southerners more Gracile and East Med.

[ius semper]

Atlanto-Med is not the most common type anywhere in Italy. North Italians have more Dinarid and Alpine, and southerners more Gracile and East Med.

If you say so... But it is for sure in spain.

[Conte Mascetti]

False. Most common fenotype in spain is atlanto-med as well as it is in italy. And spanish average height is 1'78; which isn't small, its like in italy or france.

Small if related to other european countries, of course.
And Atlanto-med is less common than Gracile Mediterranean. Don't imagine the latter as an ugly, dwarf, swarthy type.

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/GermanMed.jpg


Sardinians are heavily Berid though (a robust type) are they not?

Yes. But there are more gracile Mediterraneans.

[Sakis]

Small if related to other european countries, of course.
And Atlanto-med is less common than Gracile Mediterranean. Don't imagine the latter as an ugly, dwarf, swarthy type.

Atlanto-med is much more common nowadays.

[Sikeliot]

Gracile Med type was largely a type in southern Europe due to famine and other calamities. Now that there is less economic strife and poverty, people are better nourished and fewer people of that type.

[Conte Mascetti]

Atlanto-med is much more common nowadays.

Why? Because with a healthier nutrition we reach higher statures?
Even if higher, Mediterraneans (and Alpines) are still shorter than Atlantids and Nordids.


Gracile Med type was largely a type in southern Europe due to famine and other calamities. Now that there is less economic strife and poverty, people are better nourished and fewer people of that type.

So, with a healthier nutrition, phenotypes disappear? :D

[Sakis]

Why? Because with a healthier nutrition we reach higher stature?
Even if higher, Mediterraneans (and Alpines) are still shorter than Atlantids and Nordids.



So, with a healtier nutrition, phenotypes disappear? :D

It's not only about the stature,there are gracile meds that are taller than atlanto-meds

[jatt]

post pictures of common phenos and I will let you know from my vast knowledge and superior judjement capabilities iberials look gracile or not

[Conte Mascetti]

It's not only about the stature,there are gracile meds that are taller than atlanto-meds

I hope you don't discern Atlantids from Mediterraneans by pigmentation...

[Sakis]

I hope you don't discern Atlantids from Mediterraneans by pigmentation...

Atlantids are more or less the same as Atlanto-meds

[Styrian Mujo]

Greeks I know who went to Spain were confused for locals and had people speak to them in Spanish. I was told they didn't look any different than us, dunno how it goes though.
I guess in the grander scheme of things all Mediterranean people are kind of similar.

[Not a Cop]

Atlantids are more or less the same as Atlanto-meds

The thing is that Atlantic race if going by old anthropologists is not a South-Europoid type, but Central euro, but here the term was raped by OWD southerners.

[Amud]

Iberians are predominantly of the Ethnikid and Adenid races, with just the occasional Slayerid.

[Bloodnigger]

The thing is that Atlantic race if going by old anthropologists is not a South-Europoid type, but Central euro, but here the term was raped by OWD southerners.

Legit. Light complexioned (including eyes and hair) mediteranneans exist but are of course a minority compared to the darker ones. They consist of a CM and med mixture that is also a minority in the british isles. But the later ones are usually mixed with the local northern european types and are in no way similar to the iberians who are definitely NOT atlantid or similar to the british/irish. They are a purely mediterannean population but different from the alpine-dinaric italians or greeks in having more CM and CM influenced types.

[Casandrinos]

Iberians are Gracile wogs......MORE MEDITERANEAN THAN YOU .

[Drakoblare]

I guess in the grander scheme of things all Mediterranean people are kind of similar.

Perhaps. Though from what I've seen here S.Italians look like Greeks (perhaps more curly) AND GIGANTIC NOSES LIKE WTF!

[Damião de Góis]

Italians getting all worked up about how iberians are supposed to look like? What else is new?

[Lusos]

Italians getting all worked up about how iberians are supposed to look like? What else is new?

We can only render ourselves to our brown dwarfism.
(We can always put extra extra light in our head when taking a selfie ,to make the hair lighter)

Funny guys these Italians.