PDA

View Full Version : If You Could Change the Constitution



Psychonaut
01-20-2009, 12:47 AM
If you could change any amendments to the US Constitution, which ones would you change, and why?

From Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution):



* First Amendment: addresses the rights of freedom of religion (prohibiting Congressional establishment of a religion over another religion through Law and protecting the right to free exercise of religion), freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of petition.

* Second Amendment: defines the right of States in keeping and maintaining militias and the right of individuals to possess firearms.

* Third Amendment: prohibits the government from using private homes as quarters for soldiers during peacetime without the consent of the owners. The only existing case law regarding this amendment is a lower court decision in the case of Engblom v. Carey.

* Fourth Amendment: guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or a "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed. Some rights to privacy have been inferred from this amendment and others by the Supreme Court.

* Fifth Amendment: forbids trial for a major crime except after indictment by a grand jury; prohibits double jeopardy (repeated trials), except in certain very limited circumstances; forbids punishment without due process of law; and provides that an accused person may not be compelled to testify against himself (this is also known as "Taking the Fifth" or "Pleading the Fifth"). This is regarded as the "rights of the accused" amendment, otherwise known as the Miranda rights after the Supreme Court case. It also prohibits government from taking private property without "just compensation," the basis of eminent domain in the United States.

* Sixth Amendment: guarantees a speedy public trial for criminal offenses. It requires trial by a jury, guarantees the right to legal counsel for the accused, and guarantees that the accused may require witnesses to attend the trial and testify in the presence of the accused. It also guarantees the accused a right to know the charges against him. The Sixth Amendment has several court cases associated with it, including Powell v. Alabama, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, Gideon v. Wainwright, and Crawford v. Washington. In 1966, the Supreme Court ruled that the fifth amendment prohibition on forced self-incrimination and the sixth amendment clause on right to counsel were to be made known to all persons placed under arrest, and these clauses have become known as the Miranda rights.

* Seventh Amendment: assures trial by jury in civil cases.

* Eighth Amendment: forbids excessive bail or fines, and cruel and unusual punishment.

* Ninth Amendment: declares that the listing of individual rights in the Constitution and Bill of Rights is not meant to be comprehensive; and that the other rights not specifically mentioned are retained elsewhere by the people.

* Tenth Amendment: provides that powers that the Constitution does not delegate to the United States and does not prohibit the States from exercising, are "reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

* Eleventh Amendment (1795): Clarifies judicial power over foreign nationals, and limits ability of citizens to sue states in federal courts and under federal law.

* Twelfth Amendment (1804): Changes the method of presidential elections so that members of the Electoral College cast separate ballots for president and vice president.

* Thirteenth Amendment (1865): Abolishes slavery and grants Congress power to enforce abolition.

* Fourteenth Amendment (1868): Defines a set of guarantees for United States citizenship; prohibits states from abridging citizens' privileges or immunities and rights to due process and the equal protection of the law; repeals the Three-fifths compromise; prohibits repudiation of the federal debt caused by the Civil War.

* Fifteenth Amendment (1870): Forbids the federal government and the states from using a citizen's race, color, or previous status as a slave as a qualification for voting.

* Sixteenth Amendment (1913): Authorizes unapportioned federal taxes on income.

* Seventeenth Amendment (1913): Establishes direct election of senators.

* Eighteenth Amendment (1919): Prohibited the manufacturing, importing, and exporting of alcoholic beverages. Repealed by the Twenty-First Amendment.

* Nineteenth Amendment (1920): Prohibits the federal government and the states from forbidding any citizen to vote due to their sex.

* Twentieth Amendment (1933): Changes details of Congressional and presidential terms and of presidential succession.

* Twenty-first Amendment (1933): Repeals Eighteenth Amendment. Permits states to prohibit the importation of alcoholic beverages.

* Twenty-second Amendment (1951): Limits president to two terms.

* Twenty-third Amendment (1961): Grants presidential electors to the District of Columbia.

* Twenty-fourth Amendment (1964): Prohibits the federal government and the states from requiring the payment of a tax as a qualification for voting for federal officials.

* Twenty-fifth Amendment (1967): Changes details of presidential succession, provides for temporary removal of president, and provides for replacement of the vice president.

* Twenty-sixth Amendment (1971): Prohibits the federal government and the states from forbidding any citizen of age 18 or greater to vote on account of their age.

* Twenty-seventh Amendment (1992): Limits congressional pay raises.


I would probably re-word the second amendment, so a to make it unambiguously protect our right to bear arms and take out the birthright citizenship clause in the fourteenth amendment, making it a requirement that both parents must be citizens for a child to be a citizen.

TheGreatest
01-20-2009, 12:59 AM
If you could change any amendments to the US Constitution, which ones would you change, and why?

From Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution):



I would probably re-word the second amendment, so a to make it unambiguously protect our right to bear arms and take out the birthright citizenship clause in the fourteenth amendment, making it a requirement that both parents must be citizens for a child to be a citizen.

I agree about the fourteenth amendment. And naturalized citizenship should take a minimal 50 years or 25 years in the armed forces.
I remember Rome having a lot of problems with their citizenship systems. The Empire came crashing down when they made the process a lot easier.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/rome_timeline.shtml

Gives you a good idea about the changes in Rome; which ironically resembles ours. Roman Citizenship in the beginning was given to men of pure blood or those who married with similar tribes (Sabines). Later on it was given to those who signed up into the armed forces (as an axillary) for a minimal of 20 years.
Than it was given to freed slaves, all the inhabitants of the Italian peninsula (Amnesty anyone? :confused: ) and then we know the rest.

Historians invent excuses for the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. But the real cause was that Rome was dumb down through the absorption of double digit IQ Asians, Africans and Arabs. This resembles our situation with the large Black and the increasing Amerindian-Mestizo population.

SouthernBoy
01-20-2009, 01:11 AM
I would probably... take out the birthright citizenship clause in the fourteenth amendment, making it a requirement that both parents must be citizens for a child to be a citizen. What clause are you talking about?

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Psychonaut
01-20-2009, 01:19 AM
What clause are you talking about?

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

This is the clause I'm talking about. :)

Although the bolded part would seem to indicate that Mexican babies who just happen to be born on our side of the border aren't necessarily citizens, this is the clause that is and has been used to justify giving them citizenship. I propose removing it and stipulating something like:

All persons born to two citizens of the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Rudy
01-20-2009, 01:24 AM
The second amendment should be changed so that everyone can ccw all the weapons they want with no permit.

The first amendment should be changed so that people can yell fire in a movie theater. Then the anti-free speech people will have nothing to point at.

The fourth amendment should be enforced again. Right now they can search at will.

I would like the trial system to be changed so that the public defenders make more money and have a lighter case load than the prosecutors.

Perhaps they should end Federal income tax, and put the states back in charge.

They should enforce the part of the Constitution which says that only Congress has the right to print money. We do not need to pay interest on what we can do for ourselves.

TheGreatest
01-20-2009, 01:28 AM
This is the clause I'm talking about. :)

Although the bolded part would seem to indicate that Mexican babies who just happen to be born on our side of the border aren't necessarily citizens, this is the clause that is and has been used to justify giving them citizenship. I propose removing it and stipulating something like:

All persons born to two citizens of the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Naturalized citizenship is just as big as a problem. In the Israeli-Lebanese war, the Canadian Navy rescued thousands of ''Canadian citizens'' :rolleyes:

Psychonaut
01-20-2009, 01:47 AM
Naturalized citizenship is just as big as a problem. In the Israeli-Lebanese war, the Canadian Navy rescued thousands of ''Canadian citizens''

It is, but, outside of border babies, it's not a strictly Constitutional problem. The 1965 Immigration Act has more to do with our current levels of third worlders than anything else.


They should enforce the part of the Constitution which says that only Congress has the right to print money. We do not need to pay interest on what we can do for ourselves.

Is that actually a Constitutional mandate? I can't seem to find it...

Æmeric
01-20-2009, 02:03 AM
1. The 14th. It gave us birthright citizenship & the equal protection clause is the one most cited in civil rights & discrimination lawsuits.

2. The 15th, 19th & 26th. Way too many persons have the right to vote, we need to deny ballot access for the masses. The Constitution was written by Anglo-American males for Anglo-American males.

3. The 16th. The Federal government has unlimited power to tax which gives it unlimited power.

4. 23rd. Why does the District of Columbia need 3 electoral votes. It is 67 sqm which exist only for the purpose of being the national capital, a detail layed out in the Constitution. And besides it has the effect of handicapping the Democratic nominee with 3 votes. What idiot Republicans supported this measure?

:writing_thinking:

Rudy
01-20-2009, 02:09 AM
Is that actually a Constitutional mandate? I can't seem to find it...

Constitution of the United States:
Article II, Sec. 8

The Congress shall have Power…

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;



Article II, Sec. 10

No State shall…

coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;…
http://carter4freedom.com/blog/?p=113


in the Coinage Act of 1792 where they wrote: “The Dollar or Unit shall be of the value of a Spanish milled dollar as the same is now current,” that is, running in the market, “to wit, three hundred and seventy-one and one-quarter grains of silver.”

Now you know something that 99.999% of Americans do not know, and probably a higher percentage of lawyers. The “dollar” is a silver coin containing three hundred and seventy-one and one-quarter grains of silver—and it cannot be changed by constitutional amendment, definitionally, any more than the term “year” can.
http://www.constitution.org/mon/vieira_03225.htm

I do not know all the legal arguments, but it still irritates me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act

Loddfafner
01-20-2009, 03:13 AM
* First Amendment: addresses the rights of freedom of religion (prohibiting Congressional establishment of a religion over another religion through Law and protecting the right to free exercise of religion), freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of petition.


"Religion" should be understood to include any belief system or subcultural affiliation including, for example, skinheads.



* Second Amendment: defines the right of States in keeping and maintaining militias and the right of individuals to possess firearms.

This should guarantee the right of people to organize and arm themselves so as to be stronger than the state. The state is hired by the people and should be responsive to those people. The state cannot gerrymander that population through importing immigrants who would take one side in elections.


* Third Amendment: prohibits the government from using private homes as quarters for soldiers during peacetime without the consent of the owners.
This should include forbidding spyware on computers.



* Fourth Amendment: guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or a "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed. Some rights to privacy have been inferred from this amendment and others by the Supreme Court.

Since we don't live in physical houses as much as then, the 4th amendment should apply to our internet communications and to our automobiles.


* Fifth Amendment: forbids trial for a major crime except after indictment by a grand jury; prohibits double jeopardy (repeated trials), except in certain very limited circumstances; forbids punishment without due process of law; and provides that an accused person may not be compelled to testify against himself ...

* Sixth Amendment: guarantees a speedy public trial for criminal offenses. It requires trial by a jury, guarantees the right to legal counsel for the accused, and guarantees that the accused may require witnesses to attend the trial and testify in the presence of the accused. It also guarantees the accused a right to know the charges against him.

* Seventh Amendment: assures trial by jury in civil cases.


Pressures from prosecutors for plea bargains involving betraying your friends should be forbidden under these amendments. Defendants should have a right to competent lawyers and jury trials. Public defenders should not be so overloaded with cases.



* Eighth Amendment: forbids excessive bail or fines, and cruel and unusual punishment.

Cruel and unusual punishments should be interpreted so as to include lengthy prison terms.


* Ninth Amendment: declares that the listing of individual rights in the Constitution and Bill of Rights is not meant to be comprehensive; and that the other rights not specifically mentioned are retained elsewhere by the people.

Rights should be expanded rather than whittled down Ashcroft style.


...

* Fourteenth Amendment (1868): Defines a set of guarantees for United States citizenship; prohibits states from abridging citizens' privileges or immunities and rights to due process and the equal protection of the law; repeals the Three-fifths compromise; prohibits repudiation of the federal debt caused by the Civil War.


The equal protection clause is a good thing and we should keep it.



* Fifteenth Amendment (1870): Forbids the federal government and the states from using a citizen's race, color, or previous status as a slave as a qualification for voting.

Felons should be allowed to vote. The state should lose the motivation to remove the voting rights of large portions of the population.


...

* Twenty-first Amendment (1933): Repeals Eighteenth Amendment. Permits states to prohibit the importation of alcoholic beverages.


All legislative amendments such as the one on prohibition should be banned. This would prevent a constitutional ban on abortion, for example.

Rasvalg
01-23-2009, 02:22 PM
I believe that if we went back to the way the constitution was originally written that would solve alot of the debate. By going back to what the founding fathers orginally intended mean that then our country would again become a Republic rather than a democracy. Now I do realize that even Rome had its problems but at least in theory all the people of the nation were represented. Also by going back to the orginal intention we would require that only land owners be allowed to vote. Now I understand that the arguement is that not everyone can afford to own land but if this is a requirement especially with the state of the economy and if a person truly wants to vote I believe that two things will happen. #1 People will be more careful with their money by not spending like mad people, #2 those that can vote will actually elect officials that represent US rather than those that are in congress and the senate currently.

Manifest Destiny
01-23-2009, 02:45 PM
I would probably re-word the second amendment, so a to make it unambiguously protect our right to bear arms and take out the birthright citizenship clause in the fourteenth amendment, making it a requirement that both parents must be citizens for a child to be a citizen.

That's similar to what I would do.

Regarding citizenship, I would set up the system so that a child inherits his/her parents' citizenship status. If they're citizens, so is the kid. If they're legal non-citizens, so is the kid. If they're here illegally, so is the kid.

No more damned anchor babies.

Ulf
01-23-2009, 10:04 PM
Bring back The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union.

SwordoftheVistula
01-24-2009, 01:29 AM
Incorporate the Naturalization Act of 1790 into the Constitution, limiting citizenship to 'free white persons'.

Gooding
01-25-2009, 01:12 AM
Excellent point. Of course, "free white citizens" would exclude our current president.Drat!:rolleyes: