Clearly people don't understand genetics when it comes to these twin sisters

[Loki]

Clearly people don't understand genetics when it comes to these twin sisters (http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/03/clearly-people-dont-understand-genetics-when-it-comes-to-these-two-twin-sisters/)

http://i1.wp.com/www.clutchmagonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/twinsfeature.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=610%2C407

Maria and Lucy are twin sisters from the UK. People all over the internet are losing their shit because “OMG, one is ‘white’ and one is black.” Once again, people on the internet have proven that they’re not that bright and know nothing about genetics.

The twins were born to a white father and a bi-racial Jamaican mother.

http://i0.wp.com/www.clutchmagonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/twins1.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=610%2C439

Look at that family photo. I’m going to call it “Genetics in Action.” Clearly, the only ‘white’ person in this photo is the father. And for people to label the lighter twin ‘white’ is just ridiculous.

“No one ever believes we are twins because I am white and Maria is black,” Lucy explained. “Even when we dress alike, we still don’t even look like sisters, let alone twins.”

Clearly Maria has been told that she’s ‘white’ all her life that she’s starting to believe it.

Growing up in an interracial family myself, with four siblings, two of which are light and two who are brown, we’ve always get the questions, “Do you have the same father?”. And we’ve always responded with “Do you?”. So I totally understand what these twins probably went through growing up.

But please, stop calling the other twin white. And for the record, they’re not identical.

[Sikeliot]

She looks white to me. On the other hand, I'd not call Maria "black" when she looks more like a mulatta -- she looks like vibrant who posts here.

[Loki]

She looks white to me. On the other hand, I'd not call Maria "black" when she looks more like a mulatta -- she looks like vibrant who posts here.

Her little brother (bottom left) looks white too. Seriously, if I saw them in the streets I would think they are just white - very white. Mulatto mother? Wow! :)

[Sikeliot]

Her little brother (bottom left) looks white too. Seriously, if I saw them in the streets I would think they are just white - very white. Mulatto mother? Wow! :)

Both of the brothers look clearly mixed to me but less so than Maria (who looks as black as the mother).

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

We are all "black", it's a proven fact, under the skin we are just as black as a sub Sahara black. :rolleyes:

[Also]

Are you reading girl's magazines now?

Why does the author care about this stupid crap and talks as if he is an authority on genetics?

One of the parents is fully white and the other is mixed, the children got half their genes from the father and half from the mother, so there is room for variation in the genetic make up. The 'white' one probably inherited more european genes than the others, she might aswell be white depending on how much white she actually came out to be.

As if it wasn't enough to see white discussions here all the time now we have this on some fashion blog.

[Loki]

Both of the brothers look clearly mixed to me but less so than Maria (who looks as black as the mother).

The bottom brother doesn't "clearly" look mixed to me.

[Insuperable]

Are you reading girl's magazines now?

Why does the author care about this stupid crap and talks as if he is an authority on genetics?

One of the parents is fully white and the other is mixed, the children got half their genes from the father and half from the mother, so there is room for variation in the genetic make up. The 'white' one probably inherited european genes than the others, she might aswell be white depending on how much white she actually came out to be.

As if it wasn't enough to see white discussions here all the time now we have this on some fashion blog.

She can't be white. She is as 'white' genetically as her brothers and sisters.

[Loki]

Are you reading girl's magazines now?


Yes. Is that a problem?

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Only the father looks white lol.
The "nose area" of the "white" girl is clearly non European.

[Trun]

Pigmentation aside, the "white" girl clearly has non-Caucasoid features.

[Sikeliot]

The bottom brother doesn't "clearly" look mixed to me.

He does when they show photos of the family all grown up.

[Argentano]

interesting that the 5 kids are something around 75 %white 25% african and just 1 looks like could pass as off white..

[FeederOfRavens]

Only the father looks white lol.
The "nose area" of the "white" girl is clearly non European.

Ridiculous, there's plenty of white people with a similar shaped nose.

[pelikarski]

Pigmentation aside, the "white" girl clearly has non-Caucasoid features.


Ridiculous, there's plenty of white people with a similar shaped nose.

Anthrocels in auction. Her autosomal profile may not correspondent with her phenotype but she would fit easily in Northern Europe.

She also will have a better life than her colored siblings

[Drakoblare]

I'm confused. Does the article mean that white is a social construct and that they are both black because hurr durr whites, or that she's black because 1 DROP RULE MOTHERFUCKERZ ?

[Also]

She can't be white. She is as 'white' genetically as her brothers and sisters.

She doesn't have to be and probably isn't. When one or two of the parents is mixed full siblings can differ in their proportions of racial admixture.

For a more detailed description: http://humanvarieties.org/2013/03/29/cryptic-admixture-mixed-race-siblings-social-outcomes/


Yes. Is that a problem?

If you don't care about looking unmanly, no, it isn't.

[Trun]

Anthrocels in auction. Her autosomal profile may not correspondent with her phenotype but she would fit easily in Northern Europe.

She might fool the average Joe from Yorkshire but not someone from London who has seen plenty of mixed people.

[Insuperable]

She doesn't have to be and probably isn't. When one or two of the parents is mixed full siblings can differ in their proportions of racial admixture.

For a more detailed description: http://humanvarieties.org/2013/03/29/cryptic-admixture-mixed-race-siblings-social-outcomes/

A small standard deviation, a small range. She is still more likely to be very similar to her siblings, duh. IDK, but isn't it also possible that she could be less 'white' genetically than her brothers and sisters because it just happened she 'picked' more of her father's pigmentation genes who make up a small part of human genome? Yes, morphologically she is a bit less black too.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Ridiculous, there's plenty of white people with a similar shaped nose.
The nose is the first thing I notice in most people.
White people with large nose never have that shape, it's clearly african influenced.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes, it is about fucking time that people learnt that genotype and phenotype often do NOT correlate. People can be very close genetically but look NOTHING alike. In my Colombian family, and in millions of others throughout Latin America, the range of phenotypes is immense even between siblings.

[Anima Libera]

Only the father looks white lol.
The "nose area" of the "white" girl is clearly non European.

And also her protruding Africoid bottom lip

[Nurzat]

white girl looks North Euro so she is not only white but whiter than most if not all Apricitans

[Ivan Kramskoï]

And also her protruding Africoid bottom lip
Not as shocking as her nose for me, but I get your point.

white girl looks North Euro so she is not only white but whiter than most if not all Apricitans
Wtf, white is mainly about features, pigmentation is secondary.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

white girl looks North Euro so she is not only white but whiter than most if not all Apricitans
Does she look white to you ??
http://i41.tinypic.com/abl2f5.jpg

[Roy]

Only the father looks white lol.
The "nose area" of the "white" girl is clearly non European.

This. It naturally escapes perception because she's still so young.

She actually looks similar to her ''Mulatta sister'' if you ignore pigmentation & kinky hair.

[Not a Cop]

Yes, it is about fucking time that people learnt that genotype and phenotype often do NOT correlate. People can be very close genetically but look NOTHING alike. In my Colombian family, and in millions of others throughout Latin America, the range of phenotypes is immense even between siblings.

Anthrotardism in action, phenotype is direct consequence of genotype.

[Tooting Carmen]

Does she look white to you ??
http://i41.tinypic.com/abl2f5.jpg

Depigmented Eurasian.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anthrotardism in action, phenotype is direct consequence of genotype.

But genetic variation is NOT the same thing as genetic expression. Someone can be genetically 80% White and 20% Black and come out looking mostly Black, and (albeit rather more rarely) vice versa too.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Depigmented Eurasian.
This so called Eurasian race is a myth.
I can agree that Europeans and east asians have a common ancestor 40 000 years from now but a racial unity iss just bullshit.

[Tooting Carmen]

This so called Eurasian race is a myth.
I can agree that Europeans and east asians have a common ancestor 40 000 years from now but a racial unity iss just bullshit.

Generally you are right, but there are still some Eurasian ethnic groups, such as Tatars, Saamis, Chuvashes, Bashkirs etc.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Generally you are right, but there are still some Eurasian ethnic groups, such as Tatars, Saamis, Chuvashes, Bashkirs etc.
I think saying such a name would imply a true continuity between those two groups which is wrong.
Nonetheless I can agree many ethnicities with a Euro/east asian blend and relatively stable exist.

[Also]

The nose is the first thing I notice in most people.
White people with large nose never have that shape, it's clearly african influenced.

Of course they do, children have naturally lower nasal bridges as they develop with age, look at her photo as an adult.

You can find much more extreme noses in 100% european people.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5811&stc=1&d=1284930298

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Admin/BkFill/Default_image_group/2011/11/12/1321100381452/Timo-Soini-007.jpg

[Loki]

If you don't care about looking unmanly, no, it isn't.

No, I don't care.

[Methmatician]

The "nose area" of the "white" girl is clearly non European.
The nose area looks pretty normal to me. I've seen white Europeans with a flat nose before, how have you not?

[Methmatician]

This so called Eurasian race is a myth.
I can agree that Europeans and east asians have a common ancestor 40 000 years from now but a racial unity iss just bullshit.
Racially the 'White' race is a myth as well. It's as valid as a "Eurasian" race.

[Chrissi]

The nose area looks pretty normal to me. I've seen white Europeans with a flat nose before, how have you not?

How would you know they are white just from seeing them? Did you ask for their genetic data? Imo flat/wide nose isn't european at all. Not even alpinids or baltids have a flat nose like asians or africans.

[zhaoyun]

This is how many light skinned African Americans (prior to the Civil Rights era) used to "pass" into White society.

And yes, most people are pretty dumb about genetics.

[Taiga Lake]

People are fucking stupid and they have never heard of race mixing, like the scientists are completely confused why the Saami genepool is all over the place and why Samis today look so different from let's say 100 years ago.

[Mortimer]

Yes, it is about fucking time that people learnt that genotype and phenotype often do NOT correlate. People can be very close genetically but look NOTHING alike. In my Colombian family, and in millions of others throughout Latin America, the range of phenotypes is immense even between siblings.

phenotype and genotype do correlate, but in mixed people such things can turn out too. that phenotype and genotype do not correlate at all is not true, because unmixed europeans are always going to look europeans, unmixed africans african etc. and mixed people can look different to eatch other, physical anthropology makes sense if you study whole populations, just by one or two individuals you wouldnt know it though, but if you study whole families and populations you can draw some conclusions on the genetic make up

[Mortimer]

to me she looks white would pass in northern europe, i saw much more flat/fat/broad whatever nosed white people on okcupid, fat white girls with fat noses who look mullato from features but are blonde and blue eyed and have white in their profile as race, i doubt they were all mixed

[Dylan]

Only the father looks white lol.
The "nose area" of the "white" girl is clearly non European.

Clearly non european? It's kinda hard to tell and looks different in each photo, but look at the photo in the top right, it may not be your stereotypical one. To say "clearly non european" is a complete exaggeration

[Dylan]

She is white and her sister is black based on their looks. Society isn't that stupid. They know that they share the same ancestry and are thus both biracial. Maybe a smal amount of idiots think this, but when they are saying "white" and "black" they're talking specifically about appearance and not ethnicity.

[Methmatician]

How would you know they are white just from seeing them? Did you ask for their genetic data? Imo flat/wide nose isn't european at all. Not even alpinids or baltids have a flat nose like asians or africans.
Yeah, I have. There was a Swedish girl I met with a flat nose. But that's obviously just an anecdote.

[Longbowman]

This so called Eurasian race is a myth.
I can agree that Europeans and east asians have a common ancestor 40 000 years from now but a racial unity iss just bullshit.

Eurasians certainly exist, I'm dating one.

[Sikeliot]

She is white and her sister is black based on their looks. Society isn't that stupid. They know that they share the same ancestry and are thus both biracial. Maybe a smal amount of idiots think this, but when they are saying "white" and "black" they're talking specifically about appearance and not ethnicity.

My grandmother looks Irish. Her sister looks Puerto Rican. Both are a mixture of Portuguese and Cape Verdean, and people called my grandmother "white" but not my great aunt. But everyone knew what they were and meant by look.

[Smeagol]

This so called Eurasian race is a myth.
I can agree that Europeans and east asians have a common ancestor 40 000 years from now but a racial unity iss just bullshit.

Who cares? They have about equal intelligence (well statistically Northeast Asians are smarter then Whites on average.), so mixing with Mongoloids for example is not a bad thing and definitely not the same as mixing with blacks.

[Dylan]

My grandmother looks Irish. Her sister looks Puerto Rican. Both are a mixture of Portuguese and Cape Verdean, and people called my grandmother "white" but not my great aunt. But everyone knew what they were and meant by look.

Exactly.
But damn, a Portuguese/Cape Verdean mix that looks Irish? that's crazy!

[Sikeliot]

Exactly.
But damn, a Portuguese/Cape Verdean mix that looks Irish? that's crazy!

My grandmother can easily pass as a dark Irish.

[XvThomas_LysergicV]

Quadroons who can pass as white are not rare at all. I see white looking mixed people all the time where I live. She's obviously mixed genetically but it doesn't really show on her phenotype. I don't think its ridiculous for other people to call her white. Most people don't care about ancestry and they identify individuals based on their looks. Why should people call her black when she barely has any black features? If you look as Euro as her then you should only identify as mixed if you want to. Its her choice. I can't say the same thing for her other siblings.

The only other sibling that could possibly pass as white is the brother on her left. The rest of them have no choice but to identify with it because they clearly look mixed. There's no way around it. In my opinion,she can pass as Octoroon or white. Her nose isnt even that flat. I've seen unmixed white girls with flatter noses than her. In my country, its actually more common to see Quadroons and Octoroons who can pass as white than the ones who cant pass. Maybe the mother has strong,dominate genes or the father has weak,recessive genes. Some individual's families have stronger genes than others.

[Grace O'Malley]

My grandmother can easily pass as a dark Irish.

But you thought Jennifer Lopez's father looked Irish. I think you have a broad definition of what Irish look like. :)

http://starwination.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Jennifer-Lopez-mother-father.png

[Petalpusher]

I think even the "white" one, looks very clearly mixed. It amazes me how everyone is actually unconsciously expert at defining people, we have seen so much faces in our life and clearly modelized precisely what belongs to each races, subtypes,... There's only subtle differences in the bone structure that could be mistaken for some other mix of phenotype, but practically we are not falling for it.

[Sikeliot]

But you thought Jennifer Lopez's father looked Irish. I think you have a broad definition of what Irish look like. :)

http://starwination.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Jennifer-Lopez-mother-father.png


I think he looks it. On the other hand the mother is clearly partially African. She looks like Phylicia Rashad in that photo.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think he looks it. On the other hand the mother is clearly partially African. She looks like Phylicia Rashad in that photo.

If you think he looks Irish the Irish must look like Puerto Ricans.:) Look at his skin colour and nose shape for starters. He is obviously not fully European.

Irish people posted below.

http://irishsport.ie/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/626004.jpg

[Trogdor]

Another example of this would be an African-American politician named G.K. Butterfield.

[Highlands]

That's literally my siblings and I ;)

[Sikeliot]

If you think he looks Irish the Irish must look like Puerto Ricans.:) Look at his skin colour and nose shape for starters. He is obviously not fully European.

Irish people posted below.

http://irishsport.ie/wpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/626004.jpg

In the father do you see African or Amerindian? How about the mother?

[Grace O'Malley]

In the father do you see African or Amerindian? How about the mother?

I see African and Amerindian in both parents. The father's features clearly show some admixture. He doesn't look the least Irish.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/05/article-1292143-0A5360EE000005DC-308_468x318.jpg

[Sikeliot]

I see African and Amerindian in both parents. The father's features clearly show some admixture. He doesn't look the least Irish.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/05/article-1292143-0A5360EE000005DC-308_468x318.jpg

Where does the mother have Amerindian? To me she just looks Euro-African.

[Aodhan]

http://i0.wp.com/www.clutchmagonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/twins1.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=610%2C439
Please stop...

[Vullkan]

there are different type of twins some may be from two different egs.

[Grace O'Malley]

Where does the mother have Amerindian? To me she just looks Euro-African.

She is clearly admixed whether that is African or NA. My main point is that the father doesn't look Irish and very clearly looks mixed ancestry. If you think he looks Irish you should go to specsavers. :)

[Hithaeglir]

They're obviously heterozygous twins.

[Porpolita]

But you thought Jennifer Lopez's father looked Irish. I think you have a broad definition of what Irish look like. :)

But this is Sikeliot's town.

The Greek restaurant serves Borscht, Blinis and Vodka.

The Italian restaurant serves Kebab and Shawarma

The Irish restaurant serves Fajitas, Tacos and Burritos

The Portuguese restaurant serves Plantains, Cassava and Fufu

[Grace O'Malley]

But this is Sikeliot's town.

The Greek restaurant serves Borscht, Blinis and Vodka.

The Italian restaurant serves Kebab and Shawarma

The Irish restaurant serves Fajitas, Tacos and Burritos

The Portuguese restaurant serves Plantains, Cassava and Fufu

I love Fajitas, Tacos and Burritos. :)

[Chrissi]

Yeah, I have. There was a Swedish girl I met with a flat nose. But that's obviously just an anecdote.

wow now that explains everything. One girl from sweden that may or may not had a flat-ish nose doesn't proof flat noses are inherently a european feature. What a silly conclusion. She could have been mixed with lapp or saami or anything else. Even if it was generations back it could still show up. Of course you dont know the genetics of someone you briefly met what are you talking about?