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Loki
03-14-2015, 11:35 AM
China's route to riches (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31832200)

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This is the billion dollar question. How did a poor communist country transform itself into having the second most billionaires in the world, after the United States, in just over a generation?

Hurun, which tracks the wealthy, says that they have identified 400 billionaires in China, but there are another 800 yet to be profiled.

I went to Shanghai to find out, since it's one of the cities where the rich dwell. Hurun estimates that one in seven millionaires in China live in Shanghai. One in six live in Beijing.

It's an extraordinary change from a centrally planned economy where everyone was at least nominally equal. But, like in George Orwell's Animal Farm, some animals are more equal than others. Rich officials and their offspring, the princelings, have always sat uncomfortably within a communist system.

Indeed, communism erased inherited wealth in China.

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Hurun estimates that more than half (55%) of millionaires started their own businesses. Of the rest, 10% made their fortunes from the stock market, 15% from real estate, and 20% are highly paid executives

Of the super rich - those with 100m yuan ($16m; £10m) or more - the number of entrepreneurs stands out even more. Some 80% of the super rich own their own firms and 15% made their money from real estate, while another 5% made a fortune in stocks.

Slow privatisation

To put this in context, the self-employed make up only about 6% of the Chinese workforce. That's below the 16% average for OECD developed countries, and much lower than in developing countries such as India, where it's 82%.

The reason is because the market was only opened up to private enterprises in the past two decades when private firms were legally recognised and private contracts honoured after the dramatic downsizing of the state-owned firms that have dominated since 1949. And those who took the plunge early on to start their own firms, such as Wang Jianlin, whom I have written about before, are among the richest people in China.

Now, as China tries to shift towards more innovation, its Premier Li Keqiang has been encouraging "grassroots entrepreneurship". The latest figures show that self-employment rose by 45% in a year to reach 52 million out of 937 million in the working age population in 2012. But it's still fewer than the 66 million employed in state-owned enterprises.

'Hacker spirit'

But when China puts its mind to something, it goes big. There are 49 tech firms that start up every day in China's Silicon Valley.

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Tech entrepreneur Thomas Yao employs 40 people

I met one of those tech entrepreneurs, Thomas Yao, who runs GitCafe, a software hosting service and IT consultancy, and of course asked him about the Great Firewall in China, which blocks a number of international websites, including Facebook, Twitter and Google.

He says that the ability to work around the Great Firewall is a "must have" skill.

I went to see Thomas in his luxury villa in a suburb of Shanghai that doubles as the office for himself and his 40 employees. Soda cans and video games are strewn around the living room that is also their main working area. He says the Silicon Valley vibe is what they aim for.

In fact, when I met him at 10am, there was no-one else there, since it was a touch early for the young programmers who usually start at 11am or midday and work late.

Instead of going to college, he decided to become an entrepreneur. When I asked him why, he replied that it was "all about the hacker spirit… not really interested in making money, getting really rich. I'm really interested in solving problems like education."

I was curious about how a country known for its censorship could foster so many tech start-ups like his. "China will open up more and more... since there is no way to do more censorship," he said.

He added that for tech start-ups, it was "quite painful" to talk about politics. "You just don't mess with government if you don't have to."

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[I]Thomas Yao says he is not interested in making money but wants to help solve problems in society

New wealth

When a start-up goes public, that's usually when it makes its founder and employees rich. Shirley Yeung, who founded venture capital firm Dragonrise, says that is the source of the recent growth of the super rich in China.

She was one of the first investors in Tencent, the largest listed tech company in Asia, founded by billionaire Pony Ma. Since going public in 2004, the company behind the popular app WeChat has made Pony Ma the third richest man in China, after only Wanda's Wang Jianlin and Alibaba's Jack Ma.

Shirley says that the early employees of companies such as Tencent and Alibaba are among the new class of the wealthy and are starting their own businesses and ventures.

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Shirley Yeung says start-ups going public is behind the recent growth of the super rich in China

They're not the only ones. The earlier generation who made their money in property like Wang Jianlin, China's richest property tycoon, are still running their empires. His son, Wang Sicong, is one of the fuerdai, the rich second generation, who is also running his own company funded by his parents' wealth.

The coming of age of the second generation adds to the number of wealthy in China. Their parents made their fortunes when China liberalised its consumer markets during the 1990s and are still going strong. The 2000s saw tech entrepreneurs make dollops of cash from initial public offerings (IPOs) which have spawned more millionaires.

Flying first class

Taken together, the super rich in China now look more like the wealthy in other places - a combination of entrepreneurs and inherited wealth.

Shirley Yeung says that they are also beginning to spend like those in the West. She says that of the multi-millionaires she knows, the majority are very frugal. In the first couple of years when they first accumulated wealth, they would fly economy class to the US. But they don't do that any more, she says. "They fly first class now."

When I asked her what was the most extravagant thing she had seen, she replied that the rich in China are now flying to Switzerland for La Prairie clinics because "they want to live longer".

It's only a matter of time before more of China's wealth is seen around the world. And that is just as well because with concerns about the prospects for long-term growth in the big Western economies, we all need the great new Chinese consumer class to keep spending.

Loki
03-14-2015, 11:38 AM
Indeed, communism erased inherited wealth in China.


THIS. This was totally necessary for success. The whole country had an equal start. Sadly, in the West this is not the case, hence we will be stagnant whilst China will boom for centuries to come ... unless we find a way to redistribute our wealth and "start afresh", or something like that.

Drakoblare
03-14-2015, 11:42 AM
THIS. This was totally necessary for success. The whole country had an equal start. Sadly, in the West this is not the case, hence we will be stagnant whilst China will boom for centuries to come ... unless we find a way to redistribute our wealth and "start afresh", or something like that.

If I made a fortune for my children, I should be able to give it to my children. It isn't like we live in a world where only the nobles can succed, we've seen plenty of working class men become millionaires. That was not the case in China though.

Loki
03-14-2015, 11:49 AM
If I made a fortune for my children, I should be able to give it to my children.

Fair enough. But I argue that your children (if you were super rich) should get the same level and quality of education than children from poorer backgrounds. The playing field should be level for everyone. Therefore I am against private schools, and for great investment in public schools to give everyone a chance. School and university should also be free, funded by tax money.

Drakoblare
03-14-2015, 11:56 AM
Fair enough. But I argue that your children (if you were super rich) should get the same level and quality of education than children from poorer backgrounds. The playing field should be level for everyone. Therefore I am against private schools, and for great investment in public schools to give everyone a chance. School and university should also be free, funded by tax money.

I am not aware of how private schools work in America, but I am from a working class family and I went to a private school. It was a time when Albo kids who couldn't even speak the language started school and my parents really cared about my education. Most of my classmates weren't rich either (it was a private school in a working class area after all). Then again, things are probably different where you are at.

You are right though, everyone should have an "equal" right to education and success. This should be a founding base for a society.

igo112
03-14-2015, 10:15 PM
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Anthony PV
03-14-2015, 10:42 PM
Loki, no offense but you 'sound' like a leftist idiot when I read you praising China... I'm gonna repeat myself again but it didn't make sense for China to adopt communism in the first place. I don't pretend I have the authority to tell Chinese billionaires what to do with the money they earned through their own sweat but they should perhaps invest it to find ways to undo all the ecological damage that is destroying their country... China seems hell-bent on mimicking Westerners and on following the path they took without even caring to study all the problems they met along the road...

zhaoyun
03-14-2015, 10:46 PM
How? Abandoning a Communist centrally planned economy. Promoting political stability and economic opportunity, that's how China enriched itself.

Anthony PV
03-14-2015, 10:59 PM
How? Abandoning a Communist centrally planned economy. Promoting political stability and economic opportunity, that's how China enriched itself.

It didn't make sense for China (and Russia for that matter) to adopt communism, an ideology that was made by Westerners and for Westerners for problems and realities that only Westerners experienced in the second half of the 19th century. Feel free to disagree but I'd rather see China as a loose confederation of nation-states ready to help each other out in case of an attack by a common enemy and where every Chinese citizen could live according to his own regional customs than as a centralized empire that may allow economic opportunities but still dictate how everyone should think. History shows that empires always fall while nations may continue to exist.

zhaoyun
03-14-2015, 11:02 PM
It didn't make sense for China (and Russia for that matter) to adopt communism, an ideology that was made by Westerners and for Westerners for problems and realities that only Westerners experienced in the second half of the 19th century. Feel free to disagree but I'd rather see China as a loose confederation of nation-states ready to help each other out in case of an attack by a common enemy and where every Chinese citizen could live according to his own regional customs than as a centralized empire that may allow economic opportunities but still dictate how everyone should think. History shows that empires always fall while nations may continue to exist.

No, China has historically had a strong central government, it was not a confederacy of nation states, nor did it ever place much emphasis on the rights of local governments. Chinese history has historically been centered on one strong central government under an Emperor ruling with the Mandate of Heaven, so in other words, heavily centralized.

It still is. Although obviously because China is so huge, it's regions are vastly different and some may operate with great autonomy.

Anthony PV
03-14-2015, 11:12 PM
No, China has historically had a strong central government, it was not a confederacy of nation states, nor did it ever place much emphasis on the rights of local governments. Chinese history has historically been centered on one strong central government under an Emperor ruling with the Mandate of Heaven, so in other words, heavily centralized.

I just disagreed with the fact that China adopted communism in the first place, not with the fact that China has a history of a strong centralized government. By the way, I dislike that historical fact. I'd rather obey to a local ruler who lives and experiences the same realities I face everyday than some distant Manchu emperor in his far-away palace telling me I have to wear a ponytail otherwise I end up dead...


It still is. Although obviously because China is so huge, it's regions are vastly different and some may operate with great autonomy.

That's a good thing some of these regions have great autonomy. I value self-reliance over blind obedience.

Loki
03-14-2015, 11:14 PM
Loki, no offense but you 'sound' like a leftist idiot when I read you praising China...

Well I'm certainly not a rightist idiot. My leftist/socialist viewpoints are fairly well-known around here.

Svipdag
03-15-2015, 02:08 AM
The answer lies in the following quotation from John Ruskin:

"There is hardly anything in the world which some man can not make a little worse to sell for a little less, and that man to whom price is the only object is this man's lawful prey."