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03-15-2015, 02:16 AM

A while back I was asked to compile a list of British defeats during the War of the American Revolution and the later Napoleonic period. This came about as a result of months upon months of listening to Britons thump their chests about overrated military campaigns and their supposed successes. So, ladies and gents here is the definitive argument against any sort of competence in the circles of the British military.

Wars lost by Great Britain/England

1st Anglo Maratha War
Napoleonic Wars
1st Coalition
2nd Coalition
3rd Coalition
4th Coalition
5th Coalition
Pontiacs Rebellion 1763
British invasions of the Río de la Plata
Scilly naval disaster of 1707
First Cevallos expedition
Palestine 1948
Suez 1951
Greece 1948
Iraq 2007 (total withdrawal from Basrah)
Aden Emergency 1967
Cypres Emergency 1959
Turkish War of Independence 1923
Anglo Turk War 1805
Russian Intervention 1920
Aroostock War
Pig War
1st Anglo Ashanti War
3rd Anglo Afghan war
First Anglo-Mysore War
First Anglo-Maratha War
American Revolutionary War
AngloSpanish war of 1770s
2nd Anglo Dutch War
3rd Anglo Dutch War
War in the Vendée
First Anglo-Afghan War
-1919 Afghanistan:
-1880 Afghanistan
-1878 Afghanistan
-1842 Afghanistan
-1840 Afghanistan
First Boer War
Roman Conquest AD 43
Norman Conquest 1066
Hundred Years War 1337–1453

American victories over the British 1775-1783

April 19, 1775 Lexington and Concord
March 17, 1776 Siege of Boston
May 27–28, 1775 Chelsea Creek
June 11–12, 1775 Battle of Machias
August 9, 1775 Battle of Gloucester
March 4 1776 Dorchester Heights
May 10 1775 Capture of Ft. Ticonderoga
November 3 1775 Siege of Ft. Jean
March 25 1776 Battle of St Pierre
September 16 1776 Battle of Harlem Heights
December 23 1776 Battle of Iron works Hill
December 26 1776 Battle of Trenton
January 2 1777 Battle of Assuninpink Creek
Januard 3 1777 Battle of Princeton
Jan-March 1777 Forage War - NJ
January 20 1777 Battle of Millstone
August 22 1777 Battle of Ft. Stanwix
August 6 1777 Battle of Oriskany
August 16 1777 Battle of Bennington
October 1777 Saratoga campaign
June 26 1777 Battle of Short Hills
October 22 1777 Battle of Red Bank
December 8 1777 Battle of White Marsh
November 25 1777 Battle of Gloucester
June 28 1778 Battle of Monmouth
September 7–18, 1778 Siege of Boonesborough
July 1778 – February 1779 Kaskasia Vincennes
August 8, 1780 Battle of Piqua
April 1781 Choscoton
August 29 1779 Battle of Newtown
October 19 1780 Battle of Klock's Field
October 25 1781 Battle of Johnstown
November-December 1775 - Southern patriot "Snow Campaign"
December 9 1775 Battle of the Great Bridge
February 27 1776 Battle of the Creek Bridge
March 2-3 1776 Battle of the Rice Boats
June 28 1776 Battle of Sullivan's Island
July 15 1776 Battle of Lindley's Fort
April 18 1776 Frederica
February 3 1779 Battle of Beaufort
February 14 1779 Battle of Kettle Creek
June 8 1780 Battle of Mobley's Meeting House
June 20 1780 Battle of Ramsour's Mill
July 12 1780 Battle of Williamson's Plantation
July 21 1780 Battle of Colson's Mill
August 6 1780 Battle of Hanging Rock
August 18 1780 Battle of Musgrove Hill
September 21 1780 Battle of Wahab's Plantation
September 14 1780 Battle of the Black Mingo
September 26 1780 Battle of Charlotte
October 7 1780 Battle of Kingsmountain
October 14 1780 Battle of Shallow Ford
November 9 1780 Battle of Fishdam Ford
November 20 1780 Battle of Blackstock Farm
January 17 1781 Battle of the Cowpens
February 25 1781 Battle of Haw River
April 23 1781 Battle of Ft Watson
April 25 1781 Battle of Hobkirk's Hill
May 12 1781 Siege of Ft Motte
June 6 1781 Augusta
September 8 1781 Eutaw springs
25 February 1779 Vincennes
September 13 1782 2nd Siege of Ft Henry
September 10 1779 Battle of Lake Pontchartrain
March 3 1776 Capture of Nassau
March 24 1778 Capture of the HMS Drake
September 23 1779 Capture of the HMS Serapis
June 29 1776 Battle of Turtle Gut Inlet
September 8 1781 Captureof the HMS Savage
May 29 1781 Capture of the HMS Atalanta
May 29 1781 Capture of the HMS Trepassey
March 6 1783 USS Alliance defeats HMS Sybil
April 8 1782 Battle of Delaware Bay
July 1 1782 Raid on Nova Scotia
March 8 1781 Skirmish at Water's Creek
July 9 1781 Franciso beats Tarleton
July 24 1781 Francisco beats Tarleton
October 19, 1781 Yorktown

American victories over the British in 1812-14

19 July 1812 1st Sackets
21 Sept 1812 Raid on Gananoque
7 Feb 1813 Raid on Elizabethtown
27 Apr 1813 1st burning of York
31 July 1813 2nd burning of York
28-29 May 1813 2nd Sackets
May 29 1813 Big Sandy Creek
June 1 1813 US repulse of Royal Marine raid north of Sackets
6-11 Sept 1814 Plattsburgh
28 Nov 1812 Frenchman's Creek
25-27 May 1813 Capture of Ft George
14-16 May 1814 Raid on Port Dover
3 July 1814 Capture of Fort Erie
5 July 1814 Chippewa

Aug-Sept 1814 Siege of Fort Erie
5-15 Sept 1812 Siege of Ft Harrison
5-12 Sept 1812 Siege of Ft Wayne
17-18 Dec 1812 Mississinewa
28 Apr-9May 1813 Siege of Ft Meigs
2 Aug 1813 Ft Stephenson
10 Sept 1813 Victory on Lake Erie
5 Oct 1813 Thames
4 March 1814 Longwoods
29 April 1813 Elk's Landing
6 Nov 1814 Malcom's Mills
22 June 1813 Craney Island
10 August 1813 St Michaels
12 Sept 1814 North Point
31 Aug 1814 Caulk's Field
12-15 Sept 1814 Baltimore
1814 Battle of Rock Harbor - HMS Newcastle party thrown back
6 Dec 1814 Farnham church
7-9 Nov 1814 Pensacola
14-16 Sept 1814 1st Ft Bowyer
13 Dec 1814 - Jackson's probe
8 Jan 1815 New Orleans
9-18 Jan 1815 Ft St Phillip
13 Aug 1812 capture of the Alert
19 Aug 1812 capture of the Guerriere
18 Oct 1812 capture of the Frolic
25 Oct 1812 capture of the Macedonian
29 Dec 1812 capture of the Java
24 Feb 1813 sinking of the Peacock
5 Aug 1813 capture of the Dominica
5 Sept 1813 capture of the Boxer
28 Apr 1814 capture of the Epervier
28 Jun 1814 sinking of the Reindeer
1 Sept 1814 sinking of the Avon
20 Feb 1815 capture of the Levant
20 Feb 1815 capture of the Cyane
23 Mar 1815 capture of the Penguin
11 Dec 1812 capture of the Rachel
25 Mar 1813 privateer Nereyda captured
28 Mar 1813 whaler Barclay
29-Apr - 15 Sep 1813 armed whaler Montezuma
Georgiana captured
Policy captured
Atlantic captured
armed whaler Greenwich captured
Catherine captured
whaler Rose
whaler Hector
armed privateer Seringapatam
Charlton
New Zealander
whaler Sir Andrew Hammond
October 8-11 1813 US raids - Twenty Mile Creek
November 26 1813 repeat US raid Twenty Mile Creek
September 20 1814 US raids settlements in the Western District
July 31-August 1 1813 US re-raids York, burns barracks
August 28 1813 British ships detect US raiding party at York, British flee to Burlington
October 27 1813 US raid on Frelighsburg
October 12 1813 US raid in Missisiquoi Bay
October 20 1812 US raid on Odelltown
September 20 1813 US skirmishes at Odelltown
August 10 1814 officer captured in Odelltown during skirmish
October 11-13 1813 US raids in Philippsburg, Mississiquoi bay area
January 22 1814 US raids Philippsburg
March 22 1814 US captures and occupies Philippsburg
October 23 1812 US attacks captures St Regis and 28 guns (artillery)
October 4 1812 British revenge attack for Gananoque is repulsed
June 26 1813 US repulse of British attack at Pagan Creek
July 2 1813 repeat British attack at Pagan creek repulsed
March 18 1813 US capture of RN seamen
June 10 1813 US repulse of British landing on island on the York river
June 22 1813 US repulses landing at Wise Creek
July 31 1812 US privateer captures Royal Bounty off Newfoundland
September 23 1813 British withdraw from Fort Malden- subsequent US recapture
September 29, 1813 recapture of Fort Shelby
December 20 1813 US raid at Arnolds Mill
July 26 1814 US destroys Burch's Mills
May 14-16 1814 US raids at Charlotteville
July 25 1814 US raids Charlotteville
July 7th 1813 US victory at Butler's Farm (Niagara)
July 29 1813 US burns the King George Inn at Burlington
October 19 1814 US burns Cook's Mills, destroys 200 bushels of wheat
October 6 1813 US captures 6 British schooners in troop convoy - False Ducks
August 20-September 6 1814 skirmishes around Fort Erie
October 9 1812 US destroys MP brig Detroit, captures PM brig Caledonia
December 10 1813 - burning of Newark
July 1814, British withdraw from Ft St Joseph, US moves in and burns it, captures schooner
November 7 1813 British failure to stop US flotilla at Fort Wellington
March 4 1814 US repulse of British attack at De French River
October 21 1812 US raid on Gray's Mills
November 10 1813 US wins skirmish at Hoople's Creek
November 10 1812 Burlington Races
August 10-31 1814 Burlington is blockaded
May 10 1813 US party overcomes guards, burns supply building - Lake Ontario
US schooner Lady of the Lakes captures Lady Murray June 16 1813
US boats capture HM gunboat Blacksnake June 19 1813
May 14-15 1814 US raids Long Point
November 6 1814 US raids Malcom's Mills
October 7 1813 US burns Moraviantown
June 27 1814 US burns newly finished schooner at New Castle
December 10 1813 US burns Newark and St David
May 28 1813 The British evacuates all posts on the Niagara river
August 14 1814 US squadron destroys blockhouse and HM schoon Nancy on the Nottawasaga
April 5 1814 US raid on Oxford
May 14-15 1814 US raids at Patterson's Creek
May 14-15 1814 US raids and burns Dover and Port Ryerse
February 1814 US raid on Port Talbot - burned and never rebuilt
May 19 1814 US raid on Port Talbot
July 20 1814 US raid on Port Talbot
August 16 1814 US raid on Port Talbot
September 20 1814 US raid on Port Talbot
May 26 1813 US seizes British post at Queenston
December 11 1813 US burns parts of Queenston
July 7 1814 US occupies Queenston
July 18 1814 2 US gunboats capture 15 British supply boats and rebel counterattack Rockport
July 5 1812 US bombs Windsor

July 12 1812 US invades burns Sandwich
September 29 1813 US occupies Sandwich, British flee a second time
July 21 1814 US burns NW Co Trading Post, captured merchantman Sault Ste Marie
July 18 1814 US burns St David
July 22 1814 US repulses counterattack at St David
July 27 1812 US schoon Julia drives of PM schoons Moira and Gloucester
July 31 1812 3 US gigs capture British vessel of the PM RC St Lawrence
November 17 1814 US captures 2 gunboats St Lawrence
September 14 1813 US raids Sugar Loaf
October 2 1813 British fail in the attempt to destroy a bridges on the Thames
October 5 1813 US captures British supply boats on the Thames
July 9 1814 US skirmish at Thames river
January 31 1814 US skirmish captures British detachment
October 23-November 16 1814 McArthur's raids in the Thames Valley
July-August 1812 privateer Rosie captures Princess Royal, Kitty, Fame, Devonshire, Squid, Brothers,
Henry, Race-horse, Halifax, William, Two Brothers, and Jeanie off Nova Scotia
June 18 1813 US barges repulse British attempt to take sloops James river
June 22 1813 British feint at Lynnhaven Bay repulsed
December 1813 US repulses British landing party at Lynnhaven bay
December 30 1813 US repulse of British attempt to salvage grounded schooner, Lynnhaven
June 30 1812 US captures schooner Witing
June 20 1813 US flotilla repulses frigate Junon Norfolk
January 18 1814 US repulse of British attempt to burn schooner Rappahannock River
August 6 1814 US repulse of British landing Rappahannock River
July 26 1814 US repulse of British raid Lawnes Creek
June 20 1813 US repulses British attack on Ft Oswego
June 19 2013 US repulse of British raid at Sodus Point
September 1813 New Inlet, NC, US captures crewmen from the privateer Mars
February 1815 US capture of British tender at Ocracoke Bar
July 1814 US capture of raiding party from HM brig Lacedemonian S of Wilmington NC
July 18 1813 US privateers capture 15 bateuax and the gunboat Spitfire (1000 Islands)
July 21 1813 US privateers repulse British landing (1000 Islands)
July 27 1813 British attempt to capture same US privateers (Cape Vincent)
April 25 1814 British attempt to burn the frigate Superior is repulsed
July 2 1813 Small British force lands at Sackets Harbor but withdraws after detection
June 28 1814 - spars destined for the frigate Confiance captured enroute
August 3 1814 British attempt to take Buffalo NY is repulsed
June 14-15 1814 Port Charlotte US repulses raid
May 30 1812 US seizes and destroys Fort Haldimand
May 22 1815 US reoccupies Fort Niagara
November 1-2 1813 British naval attack on French creek is driven off with hot shot
April 29 1813 US repulse of landing at Elkton
July 20 1813 US captures large convoy of bateaux
July 12 1814 US repulse of repeat attempt at Elkton
September 14 1814 US repulse of landing at Fort Babcock
October 31 1814 US repulse of British attack at Kirby's Wind Mill
February 7 1815 capture of sloop Dauntless
June 14 1814 HMS Nimrod is driven off and landing aborted
June 5 1812 brig Oneida captures PM schooner Lord Nelson
November 10 1812 Growler captures Elizabeth
August 5 1814 Sylph drives off HMS Magnet, forces it aground (Ontario)
October 6 1813 US capture of 7 British transports
August 9 1812 attempted British attack on US supply train is repulsed
March 18 1814 US raids at Cockerel creek

June 3 1813 US repulse of British raid Harris Creek
May 12 1813 US repulse of British landing Horn Harbor - Mobjack bay
Aprill 11 1813 US RC Thomas Jefferson captures 3 barges and take 69 POWs
March 1813 US raid Craney Island
June 2 1813 US repulse of British raid at Harris Creek
October 4-5 1814 US raid on Northumberland Courthouse
April 4 1813 US repulse of British landing Chewning Point Carter Creek
May 14 1814 US repulse of British attempt to destroy shipping Vergennes (Otter Creek)
June 2-3 1813 US repulse of British raid Blake River
February 11 1813 British lose skirmish at Cape Henry
July 14 1813 US attack and capture of British landing party
March 10 1813 US repulse of British raid Cape Charles
August 2 1813 US repulse of HM sloops Broke and Shannon at Burlington
July 31 1813 British 3 day cannonade is driven off by return American fire - Burlington
May 14 1812 US cannonade of Fort Cassin
October 12 1813 US attack and capture of British garrisson at Missisquoi
October 4 1813 USRC Vigilant captures Dart off Block Island
September 25 1813 US repulse of Indian/British/Canadian attack at Miami rapids
August 2 1813 US repulse of British attack at Fort Stephenson
July 29 1812 US gunboats attack HMS Junon (frigate aground)
October 23 1812 US captures British post at French Mills
July 11 1813 US drives off attackers on Fort Schlossler
June 26 1812 US captures Carleton Island on the St Lawrence
June 3 1813 Gunboats drive off british sloop Herald out of Mobile Bay
April 8 1814 US booby trap kills 11 in New London
August 9 1814 Ineffectual British cannonade at Stonginton
29 June 1812 US gunboats capture 3 British merchant ships off Spanish Florida
February 24 1815 American ambush British troops at St Mary's River
Januar 25 1815 Barataria Island skirmish
December 8 1814 US gunboats force retreat of HM frigate Armide
January 1 1815 US artillery duel with Royal Artillery

1700-1740 defeats at the hands of the French and Spanish
Queen Anne's War

1 January 1709 Battle of St. John's
Quebec Expedition 1711 - 900 dead due to shipwreck
10 August–6 October 1703 Northeast Coast campaign (1703)
August 10–19, 1703 Battle of Falmouth (1703)
February 29, 1704 Raid on Deerfield
August 22 – September 1, 1707 Siege of Port Royal
August 29, 1708 Raid on Haverhill
10/21 June 1711 Battle of Bloody Creek
10 November – 30 December 1702 Siege of St. Augustine
August 12–20, 1707 Siege of Pensacola
November 28–30, 1707 Siege of Pensacola
19–25 August 1702 Action of August 1702
1703 Siege of Guadeloupe
October 1703 Raid on Nassau
12–22 September 1711 Battle of Rio de Janeiro
1712 Cassard expedition
2–3 May, 1707 Action of 2 May 1707
21 October 1707 Battle at the Lizard
23 August – 30 September 1702 Battle of Cádiz
29 July – 21 August 1707 Battle of Toulon
6 November 1706 Battle of Santa Cruz de Tenerife
25 April 1707 Battle of Almansa
7th May, 1709 Battle of La Gudiña
10 December 1710 Battle of Villaviciosa
21 December 1719 Battle of Cape St Vincent
April 19, 1723 – January 28, 1724 Northeast Coast Campaign (1723)
February, 1760 to August 9, 1760 Siege of Fort Loudoun
June 27, 1760 Battle of Echoee

French victories over the British 1745-1815

May 1745 Fontenoy French victory -
Oct 1746 Roucoux French victory -
July 1747 Lauffeldt French victory -
Nov 1747 Berge-op-Zoom French victory -
1748 Maastricht French victory -
July 1754 Fort Necessity French Victory
July 1755 Monongahela River French Victory
Aug 1756 Oswego French victory -
July 1757 Hastenbeck French victory -
Aug 1757 Fort William Henry French victory -
Jul 1758 Ticonderoga French victory -
Oct 1781 Yorktown American-French victory -
Aug-Dec 1793 Toulon French victory
6-8 Sep 1793 Hondeschoote French victory -
17-18 May 1794 Tourcoing French victory -
22 Aug 1798 Killala Bay French victory -
27 Aug 1798 Castlebar French victory -
5 Sep 1798 Callooney French victory -
8 Sep 1798 Ballinamuck French victory -
19 Sep 1799 Bergen Op Zoom French victory -
6 Oct 1799 Casstricum French victory -
16 Jan 1809 Coruna French victory -
27 June 1809 Casa de Salinas French victory -
July-Dec 1809 Walcheren French victory -
16-24 May 1810 Siege of Mequinenza French victory -
10 July 1810 Barquilla French victory -
24 July 1810 Coa River French victory
11 Aug 1810 Villagarcia French victory -
13 Oct 1810 Fuengirola Polish-French victory -
April-May 1811 Blockade of Almeida French victory -
April-May 1811 2nd Siege of Badajoz French victory -
5 May 1811 Fuentes de Onoro French
May-June 1811 3rd Siege of Badajoz French victory -
June 1811 Operations around Almeida French victory -
22 June 1811 Elvas French victory -
25 Sep 1811 El Bodon French victory.
29 Dec 1811 Membrillo French victory -
11 April 1812 Villagarcia French victory -
11 June 1812 Maguilla French victory -
18 July 1812 Castrejon French victory -
11 Aug 1812 Malajahonda French victory -
Sep-Oct 1812 Siege of Burgos French victory.
23 Oct 1812 Venta del Pozo French victory -
25 Oct 1812 Villa Muriel French victory -
28 Oct 1812 Tordesillas French victory -
17 Nov 1812 San Munoz French victory -
June 1813 Siege of Tarragona French victory -
24 June 1813 Villafranca French victory -
25 July 1813 Roncesvalles French victory -
25 July 1813 Maya French victory -
July-Aug 1813 Siege of San Sebastian French-Alliesvictory -
26-28 July 1813 Sorauren French-Allies victory -
July-Aug 1813 Blockade of Tarragona French victory -
2 Aug 1813 Lizaso French victory -
Ordal and Villafranca French victory -
7 Oct 1813 Vera French victory -
16 Jan 1814 Molins de Rey French victory -
Feb-April 1814 Siege of Bayonne French victory -
8 March 1814 Bergen op Zoom French victory -
17 March 1814 Daunia's Raid French victory -
19 March 1814 Vic-Bigorre French victory -
10 April 1814 Toulouse draw
14 April 1814 Bayonne French victory -
16 June 1815 Quatre Bras draw ? victory ?
17 June 1815 Genappe French victory

French victories over the British - War of Austrian Succession/King George's War

11 May 1745 Battle of Fontenoy
9 July 1745 Battle of Melle
July 1745 Occupation of Ghent
11 October 1746 Battle of Rocoux
2 July 1747 Battle of Lauffeld
July – September 1747 Siege of Bergen op Zoom
May 23, 1744 Raid on Canso
July 19 – Sept 5, 1745 Northeast Coast Campaign (1745)
November 28, 1745 Raid on Saratoga
April - September, 1746 Northeast Coast Campaign (1746)
11 July 1746 Battle at Port-la-Joye
August 19–20, 1746 Battle of Grand-Pré
February 10–11, 1747 Battle of Grand-Pré
April - September, 1747 Northeast Coast Campaign (1747)
April-May 1748 Siege of Maastricht (1748)
20 April, 1744 Battle of Villafranca
22 February 1744 Battle of Toulon
8 May 1744 Action of 8 May 1744
20 September 1746 Raid on Lorient
Spanish victories over the British - War of Jenkins Ear
June 26, 1740 Battle of Fort Mose
13 June–20 July 1740 Siege of St. Augustine
March–May 1741 Battle of Cartagena de Indias
4-5 August - 9 December 1741 Invasion of Cuba
2 March 1743 Battle of La Guaira
April 16, 1743 Battle of Puerto Cabello
April 9, 1748 2nd Battle of Santiago de Cuba
October 12, 1748 Battle of Havana
25 July – 19 October 1747 1st Glorioso
25 July – 19 October 1747 2nd Glorioso
25 July – 19 October 1747 3rd Glorioso
25 July – 19 October 1747 4th Glorioso
French victories over the British (F/I War)
27 March 1756 Battle of Fort Bull
August 10–14, 1756 Battle of Fort Oswego
23 July 1757 Battle of Sabbath Day Point
3–9 August 1757 Siege of Fort William Henry
November 12, 1757 Attack on German Flatts
March 23, 1758 Battle on Snowshoes
July 6–8, 1758 Battle of Carillon
31 July 1759 Battle of Beauport
April 28, 1760 Battle of Sainte-Foy
May–July 1755 Braddock Expedition
9 July 1755 Battle of the Monongahela
March or April, 1756 Battle of the Trough
April 4, 1756 Battle of Sideling Hill
April 18, 1756 Battle of Great Cacapon
14 September 1758 Battle of Fort Duquesne
September 4, 1755 Battle of Petitcodiac
May 8, 1756 Raid on Lunenburg
December 8, 1757 Battle of Bloody Creek
March - December 1758 Lunenburg Campaign
16–19 January 1759 Invasion of Martinique
July 31, 1763 Battle of Bloody Run
September 14, 1763 Battle of Devil's Hole
Spanish victories over the British - Anglo Spanish War
9 August 1780 Action of 9 August 1780
19 August 1781 – 5 February 1782 Siege of Fort St. Philip
20 October 1782 Battle of Cape Spartel
September 7, 1779 Capture of Fort Bute
September 10, 1779 Battle of Lake Pontchartrain
September 12–21, 1779 Battle of Baton Rouge
March 2–14, 1780 Battle of Fort Charlotte
May 25, 1780 Battle of St. Louis
January 7, 1781 Battle of Mobile
March 9–May 8, 1781 Siege of Pensacola
October 16 – November 29, 1779 Battle of San Fernando de Omoa
March 17 – November 8, 1780 San Juan Expedition
March 16, 1782 Battle of Roatán
May 1782 Capture of the Bahamas
6 October 1779 Action of 6 October 1779
16 April 1781 Battle of Porto Praya
25 January 1797 - Action of 25 January
22–25 July 1797 Battle of Santa Cruz de Tenerife
Assault on Cadiz (1797)
25 - 26 August 1800 Ferrol Expedition (1800)
19 January 1799 Action of 19 January
10 December 1800 Action of 7 July
10 December 1800 Action of 10 December
6 July 1801 First Battle of Algeciras
28 August–5 September 1796 Newfoundland expedition
17 April – 2 May 1797 Battle of San Juan (1797)
31 May – 2 June 1805 Battle of Diamond Rock
1806 - 1807 British Invasions of the Río de la Plata

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Turkish victories over the British
Anglo-Turkish War (1807-1809)

Gallipoli 1915
Al Kut 1915
Dujaila 1916
Hanna 1916
Wadi 1916
Sheikh Sa'ad 1916
Ctesiphon 1915
Katia 1916
Gaza 1917
2nd Gaza 1917
Bir el Abb 1916
Jordan 1918
Transjordan 1918
Krithia 1915
2nd Krithia 1915
3rd Krithia 1915
4th Krithia 1915
Cape Hellis 1915
Anzac Cove 1915
Nr. 3 Post 1915
Suvla 1915
Sari Bair 1915
The Nek 1915
Chunuk Bair 1915
Scimitar Hill 1915

Boer Victories over the British

Battle of Bronkhorstspruit -20 December 1880
Siege of Rustenburg 27 December 1880-30 March 1881
Siege of Marabastad 1 January 1880–2 April 1881
Siege of Lydenburg 6 January 1881 - 30 March 1881
Battle of Laing's Nek 28 January 1881
Battle of Schuinshoogte 8 February 1881
Kraipaan October 1899
Ladysmith 30 October 1899
Stormberg 10 December 1899
Magersfontein 11 December 1899
Colenso December 1899
Spion Kopp January 1900
Vaal Krantz February 1900
Bloody Sunday February 1900
Sanna's Post March 1900
Leliefontein November 1900
Mooietegedacht December 1900
Elands River September 1901
Blood River Port September 1901
Bakenlaagte October 1901
Groenkop December 1901
Tweebosch March 1902

Japanese Victories over the British

Dec 1941 - Malaya
Dec 1941 - Singapore
Dec 1941 - Op. Krohcol
Dec 1941 - HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse are sunk
Dec 1941 - Jitra
Dec 1941 - Gurun
Jan 1942 - Slim River
Jan 1942 - Muar
Jan 1942- Endau
Feb 1942 - Sarimbun Beach
Feb 1942 - Kranji
Feb 1942 - Bukit Timah
Feb 1942 - Pasir Panjang
-at this point: 60,500 casualties/40,000 POW
Feb 1942 - Bilin River
Feb 1942 - Sittang Bridge
March 1942 - Prome
May 1943 - Arakan - 5,000 KIA/WIA
Surrender of Singapore - 120,000 POW
-largest British garrison in the world at the time, larger than London
Surrender of Hong Kong - 15,000 POW

German victories over the British WW1

23 August 1914 - Battle of Mons - 250 mile retreat from Belgium
26 August 1914 - Battle of Le Cateau
26 August 1914 - Battle of Le Grand Fayt
27 August 1914 - Battle of Étreux
28 September – 10 October 1914 - Siege of Antwerp
Wednesday 21 April – 25 May 1915 - Second Battle of Ypres - 70,000 casualties
9 May – 18 June 1915 - Second Battle of Artois - 28,000 casualties
9 May 1915 - Battle of Aubers Ridge
15–25 May 1915 - Battle of Festubert
25 September – 4 November 1915 - Third Battle of Artois - 60,000 casualties
25 September – 14 October 1915 - Battle of Loos - 60,000 casualties
1 July – 18 November 1916 - Battle of the Somme - 620,000 casualties
1–13 July 1916 - Battle of Alberty - 57,000 casualties 1st day
19–20 July 1916 - Battle of Fromelles
25 September 1916 - Capture of Lesbœufs
7 October – 16 November 1916 - Butte de Warlencourt
9 October 1917 - Battle of Poelcappelle
12 October 1917 - First Battle of Passchendaele
21 March – 5 April 1918 - Operation Michael - 177,000 casualties - retreat starts
7–29 April 1918 - Battle of the Lys
German/Axis defeats inflicted onto the British in Africa, at sea or elsewhere (WW1):
27–29 April 1916 - gassed their own troops at Hulluch
29 - 31 August 1914 - First Battle of Garua
6 September 1914 - Battle of Nsanakong
1 May - late June 1915 -First Battle of Jaunde
26 September 1914 -Battle of Sandfontein
20 September 1914 - Battle of Zanzibar
November 3, 1914 -Battle of Kilimanjaro
3–5 November 1914 - Battle of Tanga
18–19 January 1915 - Battle of Jassin
February 12, 1916 - Battle of Salaita
9–11 September 1916 - Battle of Dutumi
7–11 September 1916 - Battle of Kisaki
3–4 January 1917 - Battle of Behobeho
15–18 October 1917 - Battle of Mahiwa
25 November 1917 - Battle of Ngomano
3–5 November 1914 - Battle of Tanga
16 January 1916 - Action of 16 January 1916
10 March 1917 - Action of 10 March 1917
22 September 1914 - Bombardment of Madras
22 September 1914 - Bombardment of Papeete
1 November 1914 - Battle of Coronel
7 September, 1914 - Fanning Raid
16 December 1914 - Raids on Scarborough, Hartlepool and Whitby
22 September 1914 - The Action of 22 September 1914
10 February 1916 - Battle of Dogger Bank
24 April 1916 - Bombardment of Great Yarmouth and Lowestoft
26–27 October 1916 - Battle of Dover Strait (1916)
17 October 1917 - Action off Lerwick
23 April 1918 - Zeebrugge Raid - 600 Royal Marine casualties
23–24 April 1918 - First Ostend Raid
9 May 1918 - Second Ostend Raid
28 July-10 August 1914 - Naval Pursuit of Goeben and Breslau
19 February – 18 March 1915 - Naval Operations in the Dardanelles Campaign
14–15 May 1917 - Battle of the Strait of Otranto

German victories over the British - WW2

18 December 1939 - Battle of the Heligoland Bight
22–26 May 1940 - Siege of Calais - 4,000 POW
21 May 1940 - Battle of Arras
22–25 May 1940 -Battle of Boulogne
28 May - 4 June 1940 - Battle of Abbeville
26 May–4 June 1940 - Battle of Dunkirk - 40,000 POW
17 November 1940 - Operation White
27 November 1940 - Battle of Cape Spartivento
9–16 September 1940 - Italian invasion of Egypt
3–19 August 1940 - Italians take British Somaliland
25–28 February 1941 - Operation Abstention
26 March 1941 - Sinking of HMS York
26–27 May 1941 - Operation Skorpion
15–17 June 1941 - Operation Battleaxe - 100 tanks lost
10–18 November 1941 - Operation Flipper
17 December 1941 - First Battle of Sirte
19 December 1941 - Raid on Alexandria
24–25 April 1941 - Battle of Thermopylae
13 April 1941 -Battle of Ptolemaida
11–12 April 1941 - Battle of Vevi
20 May 1941 – 1 June 1941 - Surrender of Crete 17,000 POW
9–12 September 1941 - Convoy SC 42
5–10 August 1942 - Convoy SC 94
29 October–4 November 1942 - Convoy SC 107
4–7 February 1943 -Convoy SC 118
5 November 1940 - Convoy HX-84
8 June 1940 - Operation Juno
9 April 1940 - first naval battle of Narvik
9 April-8 June 1940 - Battle of Narvik
April and early May, 1940 - Åndalsnes landings
April and early May, 1940 -Namsos Campaign
9 April 1940 - Action off Lofoten
21 May 1940 - HMS Effingham scuttled
May 24, 1940 - Operation Alphabet - British evacuation of 26,000
8 June 1940 - British carrier HMS Glorious is sunk by German ships
28 April 1942 - Convoy QP 11
5 May 1942 - St Albans accidentally sank supporting Polish submarine ORP Jastrząb
25 May 1942 - German aircraft attacks sink 6 British vessels, damage 5 more
24 June 1942 - A StG 5 Ju 87 sank HMS Gossamer in Kola Bay
20 September 1942 - U-435 sank HMS Leda
20 September 1942 - U-255 sank 4937-ton Silver Sword
20 September 1942 - U-703 sank HMS Somali
20 September 1942 - U-435 sank 5345-ton Bellingham, Ocean Voice and Grey Ranger
2 November 1942 - U-586 sank 6640-ton Empire Gilbert
30 January 1943 - U-278 sank HMS Hardy
19 November 1941 - Battle between HMAS Sydney and German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran
31 March – 10 April 1942 - Indian Ocean raid
5 and 9 April 1942 - Easter Sunday Raid on Ceylon
14 May 1942: A KG 30 Ju 88 dive bomber sank HMS Trinidad
30 January 1941-18 February 1941 - Convoy HX.106
4 April 1941 - Action of 4 April 1941
10–-28 May 1941 - Convoy HX.126
24 May 1941 - Battle of the Denmark Strait
22–25 August 1942 - Convoy ON 122
9–14 September 1942 - Convoy ON 127
12–16 October 1942 - Convoy SC 104
15–18 November 1942 - Convoy ON 144
26–30 December 1942 - Convoy ON 154
3–12 January 1943 - Convoy TM 1
6–10 March 1943 - Convoy SC 121
20–25 February 1943 - Convoy ON 166
10-11 March 1943 - Convoy HX 228
16–19 March 1943 - Convoy HX 229/SC 122
22 to 23 October 1943 - Battle off Sept-Îles
11–13 February 1942 - Channel Dash
11–12 February 1942 - Channel Dash
26 May – 21 June 1942 - Battle of Gazala
29 September 1942 - Operation Braganza
22 March 1942 - Second Battle of Sirte
12–15 June 1942 -Operation Harpoon
12–16 June 1942 - Operation Vigorous
9–15 August 1942 - Operation Pedestal
19 August 1942 - Dieppe Raid
13–14 September 1942 - Operation Agreement - SAS and Royal Marines decimated
10 November–25 December 1942 - The Run for Tunis
11 December 1942 - Raid on Algiers
16 April 1943 - Battle of the Cigno Convoy
8 September – 22 November 1943 - Dodecanese Campaign
26 September – 16 November 1943 Battle of Leros 110+ RAF aircraft lost
3–4 October 1943 - Battle of Kos - 1,400 British POWs
6 November 1943 - Action off Cape Bougaroun
7–14 June 1944 - Operation Perch
11 June 1944 - Battle of Le Mesnil-Patry
18–20 July 1944 - Operation Goodwood 300+ tanks lost
19–25 July 1944 - Battle of Verrières Ridge
July 25–27, 1944 - Operation Spring
14–21 August 1944 - Operation Tractable - high allied casualties due to friendly fire
17–26 September 1944 - Battle of Arnhem 7,000 POW
22-23 October 1944 - Operation Pegasus 140 British paratroopers rescued
16 December 1941– March 1942 - Battle of Borneo
13–15 February 1942 - Battle of Palembang
18–20 February 1942 - Battle of Badung Strait
19 February 1942 – 10 February 1943 - Battle of Timor
27 February 1942 - Battle of the Java Sea
28 February – 1 March 1942- Battle of Sunda Strait
28 February—12 March 1942 - Battle of Java
1 March 1942 - Battle of the Java Sea (II)
March 20 – March 26, 1944 - Battle of Sangshak

0311

03-15-2015, 02:18 AM

This record is supplanted by blunders and outright disasters caused by everything from incompetence to bad weather.

A list of British naval disasters.
1694 HMS Sussex – 1 March 1694 off Gibraltar. 498 lost.
1702 HMS Northumberland – 27 November 1703. 220 lost
1703 Channel Storm - In November 1703 - Storm claims 1500 seamen.
1703 HMS Restoration – All 387 men were lost in the sinking.
1703 HMS Stirling Castle – 27 November 1703, all 206 men.
1703 HMS Northumberland and HMS Restoration wrecked with large losses.
1707 The Scilly naval disaster of 1707 – On 22 October 1707 over 2,000 lost
1744 HMS Victory – 4 October 1744-1,150 men lost
1749 HMS Namur – 14 April 1749 520 of her crew were drowned
1755 Doddington – On 17 July 1755 Of 270 crew and passengers, 23 survived.
1760 HMS Ramillies – 15 February 1760. Of the crew of 850 aboard, 20 seamen survived.
1761 Auguste – 15 November 1761 Of the 121 aboard, seven survived.
1780 HMS Ontario – 31 October 1780 About 130 men died with the ship
1782 HMS Royal George – 29 August 1782 More than 800 people lost
1782 HMS Glorieux – On 16–17 September 1782 all hands lost
1782 HMS Centaur – September 1782 Some 400 of her crew were lost.
1786 Halsewell – 6 January 1786 Of her 240 crew and passengers, 74 survived.
1793 Pelican – 20 March 1793 Of 134 people aboard, 102 were lost.
1794 HMS Ardent – April 1794 No trace was ever found of her 500 crew.
1796 HMS Amphion – 22 September 1796 explosion killing 300 of the 312 aboard.
1797 HMS Tribune – 16 November 1797 12 of the 244 aboard survived.
1797 HMS Vipere – A British brig-sloop, capsized in the Shannon Estuary
1799 Lutine – Sank off Vlieland in heavy weather. 269 people were lost.
1801 HMS Invincible – 16 March 1801 Over 400 crew were lost; 196 saved.
1804 HMS York – 26 December 1803 491 men lost
1805 Earl of Abergavenny – 5 February 1805. Of the 402 people aboard 263 were lost
1806 HMS Athenienne – 20 October 1806, 347 people died
1807 HMS Blenheim and HMS Java – 280 men were lost from Java and 590 from Blenheim.
1807 HMS Anson – 29 December 1807. Estimates vary from 60 to 190 lost
1810 HMS Minotaur – heavy loss of life in December 1810.
1810 Elizabeth – 28 December 1810 as high as 400, including at least eight women
1811 HMS St George – 24 December 1811. Seven of her 738 crew were saved.
1811 HMS Defence – 24 December 1811 14 of her crew of 597 men and boys lost
1815 Arniston – On 30 May 1815, 372 people were lost; 6 survived.
1825 British East India Company - 1 March 1825, 81 were lost.
1833 Lady of the Lake – loss of up to 265 passengers and crew.
1833 Amphitrite – 25 August 1833 with 108 women convicts and 12 children
1835 Neva – 224 people lost
1841 President – On 11 March 1841 136 people lost
1842 Waterloo – 28 August 1842 189 of the 302 lost
1847 HMS Avenger – 17 December 1847 Eight of her 250 crew survived.
1850 RMS Royal Adelaide – 30 March 1850: 250 men lost
1850 Edmond – 19 November 1850. About 98 people were lost
1853 Annie Jane – on 28 September 1853. Of the 450 aboard 348 were lost
1853 Madagascar – loss of about 110 passengers and about 50 crew.
1854 City of Glasgow – January 1854 loss of 480 passengers and crew aboard.
1854 RMS Tayleur – 21 January 1854 652 people aboard 380 were lost
1854 HMS Prince – 14 November 1854 six of her 150 crew were saved.
1857 Dunbar – wrecked in Australia, killing 121 people.
1859 Royal Charter – 26 October 1859 loss of 459
1863 Anglo Saxon – 27 April 1863 ran aground killing 237 people.
1863 HMS Orpheus – 7 February 1863 Orpheus sank killing 189
1865 Comet – 13 April 1865 loss of 81
1866 London – 10 January 1866, loss of 220
1867 RMS Rhone – 29 October 1867 loss of about 123 people.
1870 HMS Captain – 7 September 1870, loss of 480 men
1870 City of Boston – loss of 191
1873 RMS Atlantic – 1 April 1873, loss of 535
1873 Northfleet – 22 January 1873 loss of 293
1874 Cospatrick – 17 November 1874 Three of 472 people aboard survived.
1875 Gothenburg – loss of 112
1876 HMS Thunderer – On 14 July 1876, explosion kills 45
1878 SS Princess Alice – 3 September 1878 loss of 600
1878 HMS Eurydice – 24 March 1878 loss of 376 men
1880 HMS Juno – 31 January 1880 loss of 281 men
1881 HMS Doterel – 26 April 1881 loss of 155 men
1883 Daphne – 3 July 1883 loss of124-195
1887 Kapunda – 20 January 1887 Of the 314 aboard 299 were lost.
1890 RMS Quetta – 28 February 1890. Of 292 people aboard, 134 were lost.
1891 Utopia – Collided 17 March 1891 loss of 564
1892 Bokhara – 10 October 1892, loss of 125 people.
1893 HMS Victoria – rammed by HMS Camperdown and sunk on 22 June 1893. Loss of 358 men
1893 Naronic – 11 February 1893 loss of all 74 people aboard.
1895 Catterthun – 7 August 1895, 55 people were lost
1898 Mohegan – 14 October 1898, killing 106 people
1899 Stella – 30 March 1899, 78 of the 190 passengers and crew aboard were lost
1901 HMS Cobra – 18 September 1901. 67 men were lost;
1902 Camorta – 6 May 1902 with the loss of all 655 passengers and 82 crew
1905 Hilda – A steamship on a cross-Channel run that sank in 1905 killing 125 people.
1914 HMS Bulwark – 26 November 1914 out of her complement of 750, 14 survived

FeederOfRavens

03-15-2015, 02:32 AM

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 02:41 AM

Someone (https://www.youtube.com/user/USMarineRifleman0311) has an Agenda (http://historum.com/war-military-history/85550-britain-has-worst-military-record-history.html)

Anyways, Empires suffers numerous defeats because they engage in numerous wars against numerous enemies. You could just as easily list the plenty of military victories Britain has achieved.

You're just attempting to minimize the largest and most influential empire in history for whatever reason, possibly jealousy or some inferiority complex.

Many of the battles he listed were nothing more than Skirmishes too. The battle for Lexington and concord was hardly a battle. The Bits won the first line battle against the rebels [my ancestors] but when they marched back to Boston they were picked off as they did it. That is where it is considered a defeat because the Brits refused to march inland again until reinforcements arrived in Boston later on. [they were wiery of how large the rebel force was and had conflicting reports-this can be found in Washington's crossing a book outlying the entire war and very good I might add].

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 02:44 AM

Arch Hades

03-15-2015, 02:46 AM

It's very easy to have a large empire conquering naked Australian Aboriginals, Dravidians, and Congoids from Sub-saharan who never invented the wheel or even developed metal swords.

Realistically the British empire inst even top 5 all time IMO. They're an overrated people, and have always been sheltered.

Damião de Góis

03-15-2015, 02:47 AM

Britain lost the Napoleonic Wars? Who won then?

neoborbonico

03-15-2015, 02:50 AM

Germany is lost all the wars

Drawing-slim

03-15-2015, 02:56 AM

Damn. Getting your ass kicked this severely, this repeatedly, for such long time I didn't know was possible..has got to build character though.

FeederOfRavens

03-15-2015, 03:01 AM

It's very easy to have a large empire conquering naked and illiterate Australian Aboriginals, Dravidians, and Congoids from Sub-saharan.

Realistically the British empire inst even top 5 all time IMO. They're an overrated and sheltered people.

Don't be Daft. Britain's military(and especially naval)record alone is quite impressive. Not to mention the infrastructure and civilization they brought to those lands which were inhabited by "naked illiterates".

I'd highly suggest reading up on Britain's campaigns in India, in North America during the 7 years war and the exploits of generals like Robert Clive and Marlborough.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:07 AM

http://daysgoneby.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/1812.1.583.jpg

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:09 AM

Many of the battles he listed were nothing more than Skirmishes too. The battle for Lexington and concord was hardly a battle. The Bits won the first line battle against the rebels [my ancestors] but when they marched back to Boston they were picked off as they did it. That is where it is considered a defeat because the Brits refused to march inland again until reinforcements arrived in Boston later on. [they were wiery of how large the rebel force was and had conflicting reports-this can be found in Washington's crossing a book outlying the entire war and very good I might add].

Yeah, plus listing things like 'Palestine 1948' as a defeat. Our mandate expired and we left. There wasn't even a war [that directly involved us].

Peikko

03-15-2015, 03:10 AM

It's very easy to have a large empire conquering naked and illiterate Australian Aboriginals, Dravidians, and Congoids from Sub-saharan.

Realistically the British empire inst even top 5 all time IMO. They're an overrated and sheltered people.
Actually British Empire wasn't so much based on military power, but to cunning politics, "the divide and conquer" tactics.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:11 AM

Actually British Empire wasn't so much based on military power, but to cunning politics, "the divide and conquer" tactics.

We've invaded every country in the world barring 22. Nine out of ten countries.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html

Damião de Góis

03-15-2015, 03:13 AM

We've invaded every country in the world barring 22. Nine out of ten countries.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html

England has never invaded Portugal. Unless they're counting the Pink Map ship.

Peikko

03-15-2015, 03:15 AM

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:15 AM

England has never invaded Portugal. Unless they're counting the Pink Map ship.

They count the territory of Portugal, might have been during the Union of the Crowns, or the Napoleonic Wars. It doesn't have to have been against the Portuguese government.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:17 AM

Finland? When did that happen?

We were a major and important part of this team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War) lol jk but we did participate in supplies and a single raid on Petsamo and some other unpronounceable town. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Kirkenes_and_Petsamo) Anyhow, we helped.

Damião de Góis

03-15-2015, 03:21 AM

They count the territory of Portugal, might have been during the Union of the Crowns, or the Napoleonic Wars. It doesn't have to have been against the Portuguese government.

They did came with an army to Portugal during the Napoleonic Wars... but that was to fight the french. I wouldn't count it as an invasion of Portugal. The only thing i can think of is some overseas colony during the Iberian Union... but that's stretching it to say Portugal was invaded by England.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:23 AM

They did came with an army to Portugal during the Napoleonic Wars... but that was to fight the french. I wouldn't count it as an invasion of Portugal. The only thing i can think of is some overseas colony during the Iberian Union... but that's stretching it to say Portugal was invaded by England.

I think it counts as an invasion because he's counting territory of modern day states. If Portugal were occupied by France and we invaded that territory, it counts as an invasion. I agree that that's a little strange, but in the book itself it's probably much more specific.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:25 AM

Finland? When did that happen?

Oh hey mate, also this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bomarsund)

Peikko

03-15-2015, 03:30 AM

We were a major and important part of this team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War) lol jk but we did participate in supplies and a single raid on Petsamo and some other unpronounceable town. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Kirkenes_and_Petsamo) Anyhow, we helped.

I thought it was about this:
http://www.finemb.org.uk/public/?contentid=98110&contentlan=2&culture=en-GB

I didn't even know about that Petsamo raid. It's funny that some Commonwealth nations actually declared war on Finland, like New Zealand for example.

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:30 AM

It's very easy to have a large empire conquering naked and illiterate Australian Aboriginals, Dravidians, and Congoids from Sub-saharan.

Realistically the British empire inst even top 5 all time IMO. They're an overrated and sheltered people.

No its much harder doing that and fighting other empires in the process.

Face it you hate Anglo-Saxons despite having that ancestry.

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:31 AM

Arch Hades

03-15-2015, 03:31 AM

Don't be Daft. Britain's military(and especially naval)record alone is quite impressive. Not to mention the infrastructure and civilization they brought to those lands which were inhabited by "naked illiterates".

I'd highly suggest reading up on Britain's campaigns in India, in North America during the 7 years war and the exploits of generals like Robert Clive and Marlborough.

The British militarily conquered Australian Aboriginals, Dravidians, and Sub-saharan Africans.

The Mongol Empire conquered China, Persia, and Russia!

You're going to actually compare the 2?

The British "strength of schedule" is a joke. At their prime they would have had no chancing even conquering Central Europe by themselves.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:31 AM

I thought it was about this:
http://www.finemb.org.uk/public/?contentid=98110&contentlan=2&culture=en-GB

I didn't even know about that Petsamo raid. It's funny that some Commonwealth nations actually declared war on Finland, like New Zealand for example.

I linked that too, above. Either way, a couple of minor invasions. No colonisation. But still invasions.

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:31 AM

http://daysgoneby.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/1812.1.583.jpg

Andrew Jackson was Irish too. He fixed you sorry sobs too.

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:32 AM

The British militaristic ally conquered Australian Aboriginals, Dravidians, and Sub-saharan Africans.

The Mongol Empire conquered China, Persia, and Russia!

You're going to actually compare the 2?

The British "strength of schedule" is a joke. At their prime they would have had no chancing even conquering Central Europe by themselves.

Yet maintaining its empire without losing the territory it gained while battling other empires is proof that it was a superior empire.

Arch Hades

03-15-2015, 03:33 AM

No its much harder doing that and fighting other empires in the process.

Face it you hate Anglo-Saxons despite having that ancestry.

0311

03-15-2015, 03:34 AM

I think it counts as an invasion because he's counting territory of modern day states. If Portugal were occupied by France and we invaded that territory, it counts as an invasion. I agree that that's a little strange, but in the book itself it's probably much more specific.

The Italians did what when? Since when does a Ginnie represent Limeys?

The same "we've invaded every country" logic puts the US at the top of this category as well.
http://99getsmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/image010.jpg

Jägerstaffel

03-15-2015, 03:35 AM

The British Empire controlled massive amounts of territory, the British military pursuits were legendary and the British cultural impact on the planet is undeniable.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:35 AM

The Italians did what when? Since when does a Ginnie represent Limeys?

The same "we've invaded every country" logic puts the US at the top of this category as well.

I live in Italy, but I'm British. Ginnie? New one.

Military inferiority complex strong, bro.

Peikko

03-15-2015, 03:36 AM

I linked that too, above. Either way, a couple of minor invasions. No colonisation. But still invasions.

Yeah, but with that logic you can say that Osama bin Laden invaded USA :shrug:

There wasnt any British troops on Finnish soil, so I don't see those incidents as proper invasions.

0311

03-15-2015, 03:38 AM

In re burning of Washington:
The British/English also managed to burn London. Unlike Washington, London burned for a week with 3/4 of the city being consumed in the blaze.
http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/greatfire.jpg

The Chesapeake Campaign failed at Baltimore in any case.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:38 AM

Yeah, but with that logic you can say that Osama bin Laden invaded USA :shrug:

There wasnt any British troops on Finnish soil, so I don't see those incidents as proper invasions.

There were in the Aaland Islands. In the Continuation War we were [a small] part of an army that took 15% of your territory.

0311

03-15-2015, 03:39 AM

I live in Italy, but I'm British. Ginnie? New one.

Military inferiority complex strong, bro.

Let's not even go there.
Defeat is something the British have been known to inflict upon themselves.

Early Period
1643 - Following fall of Gainsborough, Lincolnshire to Roundhead forces, captured Royalist commander, the Earl of Kingston, was killed by Royalist cannon fire when the boat transporting him to Hull was fired on from the banks of the River Trent
1704 – Battle of Blenheim: An unpopular Major of the 15th Regiment of Foot was shot in the head by his own men after the battle had been won.

March 15, 1781, Battle of Guilford Courthouse, after several volleys of musket and cannon fire between American and British troops, smoke began to obscure soldiers' view of the battlefield. In a pitched battle, smoke not only limited visibility but irritated soldiers' eyes and could make breathing difficult. In the confusion, British Lieutenant John Macleod, in command of two British three-pounders, was directed by British Lieutenant General Charles Cornwallis to fire on the Americans and the British alike. Many British soldiers died as a result of friendly artillery bombardment.
1809 at Talavera, the British II/87th and I/88th Regiment of Footbecame so disordered and frightened after French attack that they fired at each other. Both regiments then took cover behind the 45th and 60th Regiment of Foot, reformed and the British division retreated, coveredby cavalry. The British lost 440 men (incl. 100 who surrendered)

1815 – Battle of Quatre Bras: The commander of the 92nd (Gordon Highlanders) Regiment of Foot, Colonel John Cameron of Fassfern, was shot and killed by a man whom he had recently flogged.
1815 - Quatre Bras, the Highlanders mistook the Dutch cavalry for French and fired. Williams writes, "There then occured one of those tragic incidents of war in which men die in error at the hands of friends. Seeing the Netherlands in blue (hussars) and green (light dragoons) galloping wildly toward the crossroads and hearing them shouting in French, the Scots of the 92nd and 42nd Highland along the Namur road mistook them for the French and were ordered to open fire on them. Many horses in particular were brought down, as they presented the largest targets ... van Merlen was left to reflect with sadness on the losses his unit had suffered and with bitterness that more had been caused by their 'Scotch' allies than by the French."
1815 – Battle of Waterloo - 1st case - British artillery mistakenly opened fire on the Prussians
1815- Waterloo - 2nd case - Due to confusion the British infantry fired on the Netherlandtroops, whose blue uniforms resembled the enemy's. Shortly thereafter, having realized their error, they mistook French troops for Netherland troops and let them get away
1815- Waterloo - 3rd case - in the very last stage of the battle of Waterloo, the British\52nd Light Infantry mistook 23rd Light Dragoons for enemy and fired. It resulted in great disorder and hesitation among the cavalrymen.
World War One
25 September 1915 - In the first gas attack launched by British forces prior to their infantry attack that opened the Battle of Loos, about 140 long tons (140,000 kg) of chlorine gas was released, aimed at the German lines but in places the gas was blown back by wind onto British trenches. Due to the inefficiency of the contemporary gas masks, many soldiers removed them as they could not see through the fogged-up talc eyepieces or could barely breathe with them on. This led to some British soldiers being affected by their own gas, as it blew back across their lines or lingered in no man's land
On the opening of the Battle of Mount Sorrel in the Ypres Salient of Belgium, the commanding officer of the 3rd Canadian Division, Major General Malcolm Mercer, and his aide Captain Lynam Gooderham, were wounded and trapped when German artillery opened fire on divisional trenches they were inspecting on 2 June 1916. They ran into rifle crossfire when attempting to evade advancing German infantry, Mercer receiving a bullet in a leg, then remained overnight unhelped until 2 am next day when Mercer was killed by an exploding shell and Gooderham was taken prisoner by the Germans. A staff officer later claimed the fatal shell was British and Mercer is upheld as the most senior Canadian officer killed in combat and by friendly fire.
On the night of 4–5 August 1916, during the First Battle of the Somme, the 13th Battalion of the Durham Light Infantry were fired on by Australian Artillery while in process of capturing and holding onto a German communication trench called Munster Alley.
17 September 1916 - During the same Battle of the Somme, a company of the 1st/7th Battalion of the Duke of Wellington's Regiment waiting to charge a German trench south of Thiepval, France, were strafed from behind by British Stokes mortar fire, the most loss of life caused when their hand grenade store was hit, detonating its contents. The mortars had been issued their battalion only a few weeks before and inexperienced firers had set too short a range aiming at enemy lines. Despite this, company commander Captain Basil Lupton rallied the survivors and led a successful taking of the opposite trench
At night in foul weather on 16 September 1917, the British submarine HMS G9 mistook the destroyer HMS Pasley for a German U-Boat and attacked with torpedoes. Pasley, not recognising G9 as British until too late, responded to the attack by ramming G9. Nearly cut in two, the G9 sank. Only one of the G9's crew members survived.
15 April 1918 - Two British soldiers from the Somerset Light Infantry were killed and C.S. Lewis was wounded after being hit by a shrapnel from a British shell that had fallen short of its target in Mont-Bernanchon, France
24/25 April 1918 - During the Second Battle of Villers-Bretonneux, soldiers of the Australian 50th Infantry Battalion, advancing in the dark under German machine fire, attacked what they believed was an enemy trench. They found out that the trench was instead occupied by British troops of the 2nd Devon and 1st Worcester Battalions who had not been informed of the Australian counterattack and "thought the Germans were attacking them from the rear".
16 June 1918 - During Spring Offensive, the British 4th Battalion of the King's Shropshire Light Infantry (4th KSLI), with reinforcing elements of North Staffordshires and Cheshires, were shelled by British artillery who were then unaware the position had changed hands, within 30 minutes of successfully taking a hill, Montagne de Bligny, from the Germans and capturing prisoners. The bombardment reduced the units' effective strength to 100 men but their commander, Captain Geoffrey Bright, insisted on retaining the hill.
13 July 1918 - British army officer and poet Siegfried Sassoon was wounded after being shot in the head by a fellow British soldier who had mistaken him for a German near Arras, France. As a result, he spent the remainder of the war in Britain.
15 October 1918 - British submarine HMS J6, was sunk by British Q-ship Cymric in the Northumberland Coast. The captain of the Cymric Lieutenant F Peterson RNR mistook the identity lettering on the conning tower of J6 for U6. Assuming U6 to indicate a German U-boat, Peterson raised the White ensign and opened fire on J6. After a number of direct hits, J6 sank. It was only after the survivors were seen in the water that Peterson and the crew of Cymric realised their mistake and recovered the survivors. Of the crew of J6, 15 were lost; a subsequent court of enquiry found that no action should be taken against Peterson.
World War Two
6 September – Just days after the start of the war, in what was dubbed the Battle of Barking Creek, three RAF Spitfires from 74 Squadron shot down two Hurricanes from the RAF's 56 Squadron, killing one of the pilots. One of the Spitfires was then shot down by British anti-aircraft artillery while returning to base
10 September – The British submarine HMS Triton sank another British submarine, HMS Oxley.
14 April – The Dutch submarine O10 was bombed in error off Noordwijk by two V.156-F Dive Bombers.[citation needed] Other reports attribute attack to British aircraft.
21 May – A Bristol Blenheim L9325 of No. 18 Squadron RAF was shot down by RAF Hurricane and crashed near Arras, France. Three crewmen were killed.
22 May – A Bristol Blenheim L9266 of No. 59 Squadron RAF was shot down by RAF Spitfire and crashed near Fricourt, France. Three crewmen were killed
On 5 January 1941, while flying an Airspeed Oxford for the ATA from Blackpool to RAF Kidlington near Oxford, Amy Johnson went off course in adverse weather conditions. Reportedly out of fuel, she bailed out as her aircraft crashed into the Thames Estuary but her body was never recovered. In 1999 it was reported that Tom Mitchell, at the time a RAF fighter pilot, claimed to have shot Johnson down when she twice failed to give the correct identification code during the flight.
Bardia raid (1941): On the night of 19/20 April, 450 British commandos conducted an amphibious raid against Axis forces in Bardia, Libya, to destroy an Italian supply dump and a coastal artillery battery (which were successful). While most men were successfully evacuated after the raid, one was killed by friendly fire from an overalert British commando soldier and 67 became prisoners of war after getting lost and going to the wrong beach.
On 9 August, RAF fighter ace Wing Commander Douglas Bader was shot down in what recent research suggests was a friendly fire incident
26 November – A RAF aircraft bombed the 1st Essex Regiment during Operation Crusader, causing about 40 casualties.
1942
13 February - Imber friendly fire incident - On Salisbury Plain training area in Wiltshire 25 military spectators, including British Home Guard, died and 71 were injured when one of the RAF planes rehearsing a tactical firepower demonstration for an upcoming visit by Winston Churchill and US General George Marshall fired at the spectator area instead of an intended target.[34] The pilot of the Hurricane, Sergeant William McLachlan, had misidentified the spectators as troop dummies, thinking that they were part of the demonstration when he opened fire.

20 February – British Commonwealth forces during the Burma Campaign were repeatedly bombed and strafed by RAF Blenheims during a break-out attempt by a battalion surrounded by Japanese troops in Sittaung River, Burma. More than 170 British Commonwealth lives were lost due to RAF air-strikes.
21 February 1942 - retreating British Commonwealth forces with 300 vehicles were bombed and strafed by RAF Blenheims near Mokpalin, Burma, resulting more than 110 casualties and 159 vehicles destroyed.
2 May - The Polish submarine ORP Jastrząb was mistakenly sunk by the British destroyer HMS St Albans and minesweeper HMS Seagull while on a convoy to Murmansk.
27 June – a group of RAF Vickers Wellingtons bombed the units of 4th County of London Yeomanry (Sharpshooters), British 7th Armoured Division and the British 3rd Hussars during a two-hour raid near Mersa Matruh, Egypt, killing over 359 troops and wounding 560.[41] The aftermath of RAF raids at this time were also seen by the Germans: "... The RAF had bombed their own troops, and with tracer flying in all directions, German units fired on each other. At 0500 hours next morning 28 June, I drove up to the breakout area where we had spent such a disturbed night. There we found a number of lorries filled with the mangled corpses of New Zealanders who had been killed by the British bombs ..
The RMS Laconia, a British naval transport ship, sunk by German submarine U-156 in the Atlantic Ocean off west Africa on 12 September, was carrying 1,793 Italian prisoners-of-war among its passengers, of whom 1,420 ultimately died
On 23 October, during the 2nd Battle of El Alamein, at 2140 hours under the cover of a barrage of 1000 guns, British infantry of the 51st (Highland) Infantry Division advanced towards the enemy lines. However, they advanced too fast into the area of fire from British artillery, causing over 60 casualties.
During the 2nd Battle of El Alamein, RAF fighters bombed British troops during a four-hour raid, causing 56 casualties. The British 10th Royal Hussars were among the victims; they did not know the proper signals to call off their planes
British submarine HMS Unbeaten completed Operation Bluestone, landing an agent in Spain near Bayona, then completed her patrol in the Bay of Biscay and was returning to the UK when she went missing. It is believed that she was probably attacked and sunk in error by an RAF Wellington bomber of No. 172 Squadron, Coastal Command in the Bay of Biscay on 11 November 1942 . She was lost with all hands.
1943
On 9 May, the destroyers HMS Bicester and HMS Oakley, on deployment in the Mediterranean found themselves under air attack by Spitfire aircraft; the Bicester sustained extensive damage from a near miss, with the bomb exploding alongside causing major flooding. The Bicester was taken in tow to Malta for temporary repairs, and required permanent repairs in the United Kingdom, which were carried out between August and September.
Operation Chastise: On 16–17 May, nineteen RAF Lancaster bombers of No. 617 Squadron were dispatched to attack dams in Eder, Möhne and Sorpe (Röhr) rivers near Germany, using a specially developed "bouncing bomb" invented and developed by Barnes Wallis. Möhne and Edersee Dams were breached, causing catastrophic flooding of the Ruhr valley and of villages in the Eder valley, while the Sorpe dam sustained only minor damage. An estimated 1,600 people were killed by the floods; 1,519 of them were Allied prisoners of war.
1944
On the morning of 27 March, two US Motor Torpedo Boats (PT-121 and PT-353) were destroyed in error by P-40 Kittyhawks of No. 78 Squadron RAAF, along with an RAAF Bristol Beaufighter of No. 30 Squadron RAAF. A second Beaufighter crew recognized the vessels as PTs and tried to stop the attack, but not before both boats exploded and sank off the coast of New Britain. Eight American sailors were killed, with 12 others wounded. Survivors were rescued by PT-346, which itself became a friendly fire victim the following month.
28 April. Exercise Tiger, a nine-day rehearsal for the D-Day landings on Utah Beach, was marred when troops landed at Slapton Sands during a live firing exercise. American soldiers crossed into an area which was being shelled with live ammunition by the British heavy cruiser HMS Hawkins. One source put the number of deaths at 308 American soldiers, more than the casualties on Utah Beach during D-Day itself.
5–6 June, several RAF Avro Lancasters attempting to bomb the German artillery battery at Merville-Franceville-Plage attacked instead friendly positions, killing 186 soldiers of the British Reconnaissance Corps and devastating the town. They also mistakenly bombed Drop Zone 'V ' of the 6th Airborne Division, killing 78 and injuring 65.
6 June, RAF fighters bombed and strafed the HQ entourage of 3rd Parachute Brigade (British 6th Airborne Division) near Pegasus Bridge after mistaking them for a German column. At least 15 men were killed and many others were wounded.
8 June, a group of RAF Hawker Typhoons attacked the 175th Infantry Regiment, 29th U.S. Infantry Division on the Isigny Highway, France, causing 24 casualties
On 27 July, the former HMS Sunfish was sunk by a British RAF Coastal Command aircraft in the Norwegian Sea during the beginning of its process of being transferred to the Soviet Navy. The Captain, Israel Fisanovich, supposedly had taken her out of her assigned area and was diving the sub when the aircraft came in sight instead of staying on the surface and firing signal flares as instructed. All crew, including the British liaison staff, were lost. Later investigation revealed that the RAF crew were at fault
7 August, a RAF Hawker Typhoon strafed a squad from 'F' Company/US 120th Infantry Regiment, near Hill 314, France, killing two men.[55] Around noon on the same day, RAF Hawker Typhoon of the 2TAF was called in to assist the US 823rd Tank Destroyer Battalion in stopping an attack by the 2nd SS Panzer Division between Sourdeval and Mortain but instead fired its rockets at two US 3-inch guns near L'Abbaye Blanche, killing one man and wounding several others even after the yellow smoke (which was to identify friendlies) was put out. Two hours later, an RAF Typhoon shot up the Service Company of the 120th Infantry Regiment, US 30th Division, causing several casualties, including Major James Bynum who was killed near Mortain. The officer who replaced him was strafed by another Typhoon a few minutes later and seriously wounded. Around the same time, a Hawker Typhoon attacked the Cannon Company of 120th Infantry Regiment, US 30th Division, near Mortain, killing 15 men.[55] An hour later, RAF Typhoons strafed 'B' Company/US 120th Infantry Regiment on Hill 285, killing a driver of a weapons carrier.
8 August, near Mortain, France, RAF Hawker Typhoons attacked two Sherman tanks of 'C' Company, US 743rd Tank Battalion with rockets, killing 5 tank crewmen and wounding 10 soldiers. Later that day, two Shermans from 'A' Company, US 743rd Tank Battalion were destroyed and set ablaze by RAF Typhoons near Mortain. One tank crewman was killed and 12 others wounded.
9 August, a RAF Hawker Typhoon strafed units of the British Columbia Regiment and the Algonquin Regiment, 4th Canadian Armoured Division, near Quesnay Wood during Operation Totalize, causing several casualties. Later that day, the same units were mistakenly fired upon by tanks and artillery of the 1st Polish Armoured Division, resulting in more casualties.
12 August, RAF Hawker Typhoons fired rockets at Shermans of 'A' Company, US 743rd Tank Battalion, near Mortain, France, causing damage to one tank and badly injuring 2 tank crewmen.[60]
13 August, 12 British soldiers of 'B' Company, 4th Wiltshires, 43rd Wessex Division, were killed and 25 others wounded when they were hit by rockets and machine gun attacks by RAF Typhoons near La Villette, Calvados, France
14 August, RAF heavy bombers hit Allied troops in error during Operation Tractable causing about 490 casualties including 112 dead. The bombings also destroyed 265 Allied vehicles, 30 field guns and two tanks. British anti-aircraft guns opened fire on the RAF bombers and some may have been hit.
17 August, RAF fighters attacked the soldiers of the British 7th Armoured Division, resulting in 20 casualties, including the intelligence officer of 8th Hussars who was badly injured. The colonel riding along was badly shaken when their jeep crashed off the road.
14–18 August, the South Alberta Regiment of the 4th Canadian Armoured Division came under fire six times by RAF Spitfires, resulting in over 57 casualties. Many vehicles were also set on fire and the yellow smoke used for signalling friendlies was ignored by Spitfire pilots. An officer of the South Alberta demanded that he wanted his Crusader AA tanks to shoot at the Spitfires attacking his Headquarters
On 27 August, a minesweeping flotilla of Royal Navy ships came under fire. At about noon of the 27th, HMS Britomart, Salamander, Hussar and Jason came under rocket and cannon attacks by Hawker Typhoons of No. 263 Squadron RAF and No. 266 Squadron RAF. HMS Britomart and HMS Hussar took direct hits and were sunk. HMS Salamander had her stern blown off and sustained heavy damage. HMS Jason was raked by machine gun fire, killing and wounding several of her crew. Two of the accompanying trawlers were also hit. The total loss of life was 117 sailors killed and 153 wounded. The attack had continued despite the attempts by the ships to signal that they were friendly and radio requests by the commander of the aircraft for clarification of his target. In the aftermath the surviving sailors were told to keep quiet about the attack. The subsequent court of enquiry identified the fault as lying with the Navy, who had requested the attack on what they thought were enemy vessels entering or leaving Le Havre, and three RN officers were put before a court martial. The commander of the Jason and his crew were decorated for their part in rescuing their comrades. At the time reporting of the incident was suppressed with information not fully released until 1994
12 September, a group of RAF Hawker Typhoons destroyed two Sherman tanks of the Governor General's Foot Guards, 4th Canadian Armoured Division in the vicinity of Maldegem, Belgium, killing 3 men and injuring 4. One Canadian soldier from the 4th Canadian Armored Division wounded recalled this incident saying "... while so deployed the tanks were suddenly attacked, in mistake, by several Typhoon aircraft. Lt. Middleton-Hope's tank was badly hit, killing the gunner Guardsman Hughes, and the tank was set on fire. Almost immediately Sgt. Jenning's tank was similarly knocked out by Typhoon rockets. Meanwhile the Typhoons continued to press home their attack with machine guns and rockets, and, while trying to extricate the gunner, Lt. Middleton-Hope was killed after his tank was blown off. In this tragic encounter, Guardsman Scott was also killed and Baker, Barter, and Cheal were seriously wounded."
18 September, the Japanese cargo ship Junyō Maru was packed with 1,377 Dutch, 64 British and Australian, and 8 American[68] prisoners of war along with 4,200 Javanese slave labourers (Romushas) bound for work on a railway line being built in Sumatra when she was attacked and sunk by British submarine HMS Tradewind
19 September, RAF Sergeant Bernard McCormack, a gunner in a Lancaster bomber, was returning along with other RAF aircrews from a night time raid over Nazi Germany. As they returned to RAF Woodhall Spa in Lincolnshire, Sgt McCormack saw a plane flying in the same formation as he was. Believing that it was a German Junkers Ju 88, he attacked the plane, bringing it down over the Dutch town of Steenbergen. Two of the occupants were killed. It was found out by RAF intelligence officers that it was actually a British Mosquito flown by CO Guy Gibson, who previously took part in Operation Chastise, and his navigator Jim Warwick. Wracked with guilt, McCormack taped a confession, which he entrusted to his wife Eunice when he died in 1992
1945
On 23 January, a group of Royal Air Force fighters strafed the assault gun platoon (105mm Sherman tanks) of US 743rd Tank Battalion, near Sart-Lez-St.Vith, Belgium, killing 6 men and wounded 15
On April 24, the Royal Air Force attacking military targets in Rangoon, Burma, bombed a jail in the belief that it was a command center for the Japanese Army. Unfortunately, the jail was actually not a Japanese command center but full of Allied prisoners of war. Over 30 Allied POWs were killed.
The March (1945) – On 19 April, at a village called Gresse, a flight of RAF Typhoons strafed a column of Allied POWs during the death march after mistaking them as retreating German troops, killing 30 and fatally injured 30 more.
Cap Arcona incident – Although it did not involve troops in combat, this incident has been referred to as "the worst friendly-fire incident in history".On 3 May, the three ships Cap Arcona, Thielbek, and the SS Deutschland in Lübeck Harbour were sunk in four separate, but synchronized attacks with bombs, rockets, and cannons by the Royal Air Force, resulting in the death of over 7,000 Jewish concentration camp survivors and Russian prisoners of war, along with POWs from several other allies.
War in Afghanistan: 17 August 2002 – British Army Sergeant Robert Busuttil of the Royal Logistic Corps was shot dead by subordinate Corporal John Gregory during a barbecue at Kabul International Airport. It was later revealed that Corporal Gregory had been drinking and the two men had earlier been involved in an altercation. It was in the immediate aftermath of this that Corporal Gregory returned with his weapon loaded, and fired up to ten rounds killing Sergeant Busuttil as he lay in a hammock before turning the weapon on himself.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:39 AM

In re burning of Washington:

Beyond pathetic. We burned your capital, you didn't burn ours. Again, military inferiority complex stronk.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:40 AM

Let's not even go there.
Defeat is something the British have been known to inflict upon themselves.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/645/230/3f2.gif

Arch Hades

03-15-2015, 03:41 AM

Even though Rome conquered like 1/4th the land the British Empire did, it was still a far greater empire.

Rome conquered ancient Greece, The Carthaginians, The Celts of Central and Western Europe, the Iberians, and a large amount of Britain.

The Mongol Empire for me is the greatest though, if we are talking strickly military impressiveness [not cultural legacy]. To take down China, Persia, and Russia is a feat that will never be matched.

Britian conquered a bunch of Third Worlders who lived in huts and threw spears, So did Spain for that matter...these Western Colonial Empires cant compare to the all time greats. I'm sorry but if I go beat up 20 Five year olds that doesn't make me a tough guy.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:42 AM

Even though Rome conquered like 1/4th the land the British Empire did, it was still a far greater empire.

Rome conquered ancient Greece, The Carthaginians, The Celts of Central and Western Europe, the Iberians, and a large amount of Britain.

The Mongol Empire for me is the greatest though, if we are talking strickly military impressiveness [not cultural legacy]. To take down China, Persia, and Russia is a feat that will never be matched.

Britian conquered a bunch of Third Worlders, So did Spain for that matter...these Western Colonial Empire cant compare to the all time greats. I'm sorry but if I go beat up 20 Five year olds that doesn't make me a tough guy.

I don't think you understand that we weren't just 'fighting Natives' (and Quebeckers, Afrikaners, Chinese, etc) but also the other imperial powers of the time and we were #1.

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:42 AM

The British Empire controlled massive amounts of territory, the British military pursuits were legendary and the British cultural impact on the planet is undeniable.

Thank you my Norwegian friend.

0311

03-15-2015, 03:43 AM

Beyond pathetic. We burned your capital, you didn't burn ours. Again, military inferiority complex stronk.

The Chesapeake campaign ended with 600 British killed/wounded and the giving up of all claims to uti possedetis at Ghent. The decision to spend the extra time in Washington cost the British the war. The delay merely gave the Baltimore garrison the extra time to build defenses. British military incompetence on the lakes, at Thames and numerous other places reflected their inability to achieve their terms at the treaty table. If anything exemplifies your continued claim to an inferiority complex it is therefore best illustrated by Britain's 1814 campaigns up and down the east coast and Louisiana.

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:43 AM

I don't think you understand that we weren't just 'fighting Native' (and Quebeckers, Afrikaners, Chinese, etc) but also the other imperial powers of the time and we were #1.

the point I made earlier yet no props for it? what da fuck!

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:44 AM

The Chesapeake campaign ended with 600 British killed/wounded and the giving up of all claims to uti possedetis at Ghent. The decision to spend the extra time in Washington cost the British the war. The delay merely gave the Baltimore garrison the extra time to build defenses. British military incompetence on the lakes, at Thames and numerous other places reflected their inability to achieve their terms at the treaty table. If anything exemplifies your continued claim to an inferiority complex it is therefore best illustrated by Britain's 1814 campaigns up and down the east coast and Louisiana.

You lost the war of 1812 mate :)

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:44 AM

0311

03-15-2015, 03:44 AM

I don't think you understand that we weren't just 'fighting Natives' (and Quebeckers, Afrikaners, Chinese, etc) but also the other imperial powers of the time and we were #1.

Top 10 empires by population:
Britain doesn't even make the list.

Achaemenid Empire - 44.0% (49.4 million out of 112.4 million[51] in the 5th century BC/480 BC)
Sassanid Empire, Persia - 37.1% (78 million out of 210 million[52] in the 7th century AD)
Qing Empire, China - 36.6% (381 million out of 1.041 billion in 1820)[53]
Roman Empire - 35.9% (80 million out of 223 million[54] in the 2nd century AD)
Maurya Empire, India - 33.3% (50 million out of 150 million in the 2nd century BC[55])
Umayyad Caliphate - 29.5% (62 million out of 210 million[52] in the 7th century AD)
Mughal Empire, India - 29.2% (175 million out of 600 million[56] in 1700)
Ming Empire, China - 28.8% (160 million out of 556.2 million in 1600)[53]
Han Empire, China - 26.5% (59.6 million out of 226 million[53] in 2 AD)
Mongol Empire - 25.6% (110 million out of 429 million[57] in the 13th century)

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:45 AM

You lost the war of 1812 mate :)

Yes and gained territory so it wasn't entirely a loss. Mind you New England did not contribute to the war at all. New England was opposed to the war at the time. Had we committed to the fight then the Brits would have had a much harder time.

0311

03-15-2015, 03:46 AM

Britian conquered a bunch of Third Worlders who lived in huts and threw spears, So did Spain for that matter...these Western Colonial Empires cant compare to the all time greats. I'm sorry but if I go beat up 20 Five year olds that doesn't make me a tough guy.

This is more true than you think. The Mongols conquered 1st rate enemies. What inflated the British empire to the size of that of the Mongols' was the claim on Australia and Canada. Between the two of them they had half a dozen cities and remain to this day 99% unpopulated. The best measure of an empire is by population.

http://www.allempires.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27633

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:46 AM

Yeah, but with that logic you can say that Osama bin Laden invaded USA :shrug:

There wasnt any British troops on Finnish soil, so I don't see those incidents as proper invasions.

Obama is at least half British/Irish. He is an asshole but that doesn't count as an invasion.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:47 AM

Yes and gained territory so it wasn't entirely a loss. Mind you New England did not contribute to the war at all. New England was opposed to the war at the time. Had we committed to the fight then the Brits would have had a much harder time.

Didn't gain any at our expense, like you wanted to. We don't care that France happened to sell you some land right in the middle of you losing a war.

0311

03-15-2015, 03:48 AM

You lost the war of 1812 mate :)

And you've lost all serious regard as a scholar in the eyes of this thread and this topic. And since I don't have the time to school another plebe on this issue, refer to the FAQs:

Common British Claim #1
Claim: "Britain was busy fighting Napoleon at the time of the war"
Reality: Britain got repelled in three major invasion attempts in the period between August 1814 and January 1815. The march on Washington continued up the Chesapeake to Baltimore and failed. The 14,000 man army marching on Plattsburgh turned back after seeing Yeo's fleet surrender to MacDonough. And we all know what happened at New Orleans.
Additional argument: Britain invaded the US 5 times, got repelled 4 times.

Common British/Canadian Claim #2:
Claim: "All American offensives were repulsed"
Reality: Gen. Pike captured the BNA capitol of York in 1813.
Gen. Harrison chased Proctor and Tecumseh into upper Canada and defeated them at Thames the same year. Scott's march to Lundy's Lane was indecisive but it still led to a bloody siege of Ft Erie in which the British suffered over 900 casualties on their own soil. Once again failing to dislodge the Americans. Scott's withdrawal from Lundy's Lane was a matter of logistics being overstretched rather than a battlefield failure.

Common British Claim #3:
Claim: "The US wanted peace so it asked for a treaty"
Reality: Czar Alexander I of Russia offered to mediate simply to have Britain back in the European war (in which she was already making a small appearance in). Following a gross mismanagement of the war following the sack of the American capitol, the British fail to capture Baltimore (also ending a lengthy Chesapeake campaign in failure notwithstanding the 600 KIA/WIA sustained). This is followed up by the capture of the British fleet at Plattsburgh NYS and Prevost's big retreat back into Canada. All of which now gave the US the leveraging power to deny the British claims to uti possedetis. Britain therefore bought peace by giving up all of its war time conquests. With the escape of Napoleon off Elba it simply could not handle another tangle with the Americans who were still at this point launching raids into upper Canada.

Common British Claim #4
Claim: "The US' real goal was Canada"
Reality: Far too often the real reasons for going to war are downplayed by the Anglo Canadian revisionists and one particular notion is promoted above all others, that the US was simply complaining about impressment, harsh maritime practices and the British incitement of Indians as a screen for an attempt to take Canada. This is false. Prior to the War of 1812, the United States had fought 3 seperate wars over the same issues that re-arose later. British armed indian bands had been strategically used in the 1790s to oppose rightful American settlement of the "Northwest Territory" region and gaining control over the Great Lakes (as outlined in the Treaty of Paris). Second: the need for a navy that would protect our shipping first arose in the undeclared naval war with France at the turn of the 19th century and ending in the total nullification of the the Treaty of Alliance in 1800. Third, the two Barbary Wars occured over identical casus belli as the War of 1812. Barbary states were interrupting our shipping and detaining our merchants. The Anglo-Canadian revisionists want you to believe that after 12,000 American seamen are impressed into the Royal Navy (300 of which served at the Battle of Cape Trafalgar in 1805), after over a 1,000 American merchant ships are unlawfully captured, numerous American vessels fired upon, and attempts to settle the issues peacefully...Somehow the US out of nowhere gets the grand idea that it wants Canada? Nonsense. Nothing about the way the war was carried out even indicates a desire to occupy and have BNA ceded to the US. After two succesful incursions, one ended with the burning of the Canadian capitol, the US did not show inclination towards occupying said territory. Even more so if we look at the almost mutinous behavior of the New York State militia in the year 1812 and the fact that at the Battles of Queenston, Lacolle Mills and Crysler Farm, over 2/3 of the American force never crossed into BNA. Lastly, what does a British attempt to take Louisiana have to do with Canada? Instead of blocking up the St Lawrence, American vessels operated as far as the Marqueses in the S. Pacific, the Baltic sea and Cape of Good Hope. I ask again, what does that have to do with conquest of Canada?

Common British Claim #5
Claim: "The Americans lost most of the battles"
Reality: Of the war's three bloodiest battles (New Orleans, Siege of Ft. Erie and Meigs) all three were American victories. Lundy's Lane being a draw with equal losses on both sides. Of the 100 or so battles, the Americans won 62 on land and sea, the British a total of 38. While fighting in Florida, the Meditarranean (2nd war with the Barbary States 1814-15), along the Mississippi (Creek War of 1814), against Tecumseh, the United States lost a modest 2,260 killed in action, to the British-Indian toll of 3,500 killed and 36,000 captured (6,000 in North America and 30,000 privateers), plus an unknown number of indian captured. This included the captures or destructions of over 1,700 merchant ships. Of the two great lake battles, the Americans won both, capturing both of the Royal Navy squadrons assigned to them. A mere militia force induced a veteran army of 15,000 to conduct a 14,000 man retreat back into Canada from Plattsburg, NY.

Arch Hades

03-15-2015, 03:49 AM

This is more true than you think. The Mongols conquered 1st rate enemies. What inflated the British empire to the size of that of the Mongols' was the claim on Australia and Canada. Between the two of them they had half a dozen cities and remain to this day 99% unpopulated. The best measure of an empire is by population.

http://www.allempires.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27633

Ohh yeah, I forget about all the advanced warrior societies in pre Colonial Canada.

FeederOfRavens

03-15-2015, 03:49 AM

The British militaristic ally conquered Australian Aboriginals, Dravidians, and Sub-saharan Africans.

The Mongol Empire conquered China, Persia, and Russia!

You're going to actually compare the 2?

Who says I was comparing the two? Anyways you're being selective here. You could also say that the British Empire conquered India, dominated the world's oceans for more than two centuries and played the main role the largest and most magnificent armed conflicts in history.

At their prime they would have had no chancing even conquering Central Europe by themselves.

Because of the power of the Prussian/German military machine. Its worth noting that the British did manage to win against the Germans during WW1 & 2 along with France.

Britain has always been focused towards it's navy and could easily qualify for the most dominant Naval power of all time.

0311

03-15-2015, 03:50 AM

Yes and gained territory so it wasn't entirely a loss. Mind you New England did not contribute to the war at all. New England was opposed to the war at the time. Had we committed to the fight then the Brits would have had a much harder time.

They did. The war's bloodiest battles were 3/4 times American victories (New Orleans, Siege of Ft. Erie, Thames etc)
The 4th (Lundy's Lane) being a draw.

on the naval frontier:
"Nothing could exceed the frankness with which Englishmen avowed their inferiority. According to Sir Francis Head, "gunnery war, in naval warfare in the extraordinary state of ignorance we have just described, when our lean children, the American people, taught us, rod in hand, our first lesson in the art." The English text-book on Naval Gunnery, written by Major-General Sir Howard Douglas immediately after the peace, devoted more attention to the short American war than to all the battles of Napoleon, and began by admitting that Great Britain had "entered with too great confidence on war with a marine much more expert than that of any of our European enemies."

FeederOfRavens

03-15-2015, 03:51 AM

Ohh yeah, I forget about all the advanced warrior societies in pre Colonial Canada.

The French colonized Canada originally and named it New France. The Brits were the ones who conquered the French in New France/Quebec.

Graham

03-15-2015, 03:52 AM

0311 welcome to this forum my friend.

0311

03-15-2015, 03:53 AM

[QUOTE]
the most dominant Naval power of all time.

Not really. That cake goes to the US Navy for fighting history's largest naval battle and for 70 years of relative peace since WW2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

Let us not forget that Trafalgar and the Nile only saved Britain from invasion. It didn't help the Austrians, Prussians nor the Russians. A few years later, the might of the Royal Navy suffered defeat after defeat at the hands of mere American gun boats in back woods arms race on Lakes Erie, Champlain and Ontario where the weight of their ships of the line couldn't count.

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:54 AM

Didn't gain any at our expense, like you wanted to. We don't care that France happened to sell you some land right in the middle of you losing a war.

Had New England committed to the field you brits would have had a much more difficult time. :p

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:55 AM

The French colonized Canada originally and named it New France. The Brits were the ones who conquered the French in New France/Quebec.

On the fields of Abraham they valiantly stood.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:56 AM

And you've lost all serious regard as a scholar in the eyes of this thread and this topic. And since I don't have the time to school another plebe on this issue, refer to the FAQs:

We're all super impressed by your copy and paste abilities.

Common British Claim #1

Claim: "Britain was busy fighting Napoleon at the time of the war"
Reality: Britain got repelled in three major invasion attempts in the period between August 1814 and January 1815. The march on Washington continued up the Chesapeake to Baltimore and failed. The 14,000 man army marching on Plattsburgh turned back after seeing Yeo's fleet surrender to MacDonough. And we all know what happened at New Orleans.
Additional argument: Britain invaded the US 5 times, got repelled 4 times.

The 'reality' here doesn't impact the 'claim' and we still had one successful invasion even according to you to your none so you lose, Amerifat.

Common British/Canadian Claim #2:
Claim: "All American offensives were repulsed"
Reality: Gen. Pike captured the BNA capitol of York in 1813.
Gen. Harrison chased Proctor and Tecumseh into upper Canada and defeated them at Thames the same year. Scott's march to Lundy's Lane was indecisive but it still led to a bloody siege of Ft Erie in which the British suffered over 900 casualties on their own soil. Once again failing to dislodge the Americans. Scott's withdrawal from Lundy's Lane was a matter of logistics being overstretched rather than a battlefield failure.

Didn't realise campaigns count as won if you need to leave for reasons other than bullets. Once again, you lose, Amerifat.

Common British Claim #3:
Claim: "The US wanted peace so it asked for a treaty"
Reality: Czar Alexander I of Russia offered to mediate simply to have Britain back in the European war (in which she was already making a small appearance in). Following a gross mismanagement of the war following the sack of the American capitol, the British fail to capture Baltimore (also ending a lengthy Chesapeake campaign in failure notwithstanding the 600 KIA/WIA sustained). This is followed up by the capture of the British fleet at Plattsburgh NYS and Prevost's big retreat back into Canada. All of which now gave the US the leveraging power to deny the British claims to uti possedetis. Britain therefore bought peace by giving up all of its war time conquests. With the escape of Napoleon off Elba it simply could not handle another tangle with the Americans who were still at this point launching raids into upper Canada.

We 'bought peace' by giving you back all the shit we took from you? superb victory for the country that started the war to begin with. How come the 'fourteenth colony' remained unconquered? Once again, you lose, Amerifat.

Common British Claim #4
Claim: "The US' real goal was Canada"
Reality: Far too often the real reasons for going to war are downplayed by the Anglo Canadian revisionists and one particular notion is promoted above all others, that the US was simply complaining about impressment, harsh maritime practices and the British incitement of Indians as a screen for an attempt to take Canada. This is false. Prior to the War of 1812, the United States had fought 3 seperate wars over the same issues that re-arose later. British armed indian bands had been strategically used in the 1790s to oppose rightful American settlement of the "Northwest Territory" region and gaining control over the Great Lakes (as outlined in the Treaty of Paris). Second: the need for a navy that would protect our shipping first arose in the undeclared naval war with France at the turn of the 19th century and ending in the total nullification of the the Treaty of Alliance in 1800. Third, the two Barbary Wars occured over identical casus belli as the War of 1812. Barbary states were interrupting our shipping and detaining our merchants. The Anglo-Canadian revisionists want you to believe that after 12,000 American seamen are impressed into the Royal Navy (300 of which served at the Battle of Cape Trafalgar in 1805), after over a 1,000 American merchant ships are unlawfully captured, numerous American vessels fired upon, and attempts to settle the issues peacefully...Somehow the US out of nowhere gets the grand idea that it wants Canada? Nonsense. Nothing about the way the war was carried out even indicates a desire to occupy and have BNA ceded to the US. After two succesful incursions, one ended with the burning of the Canadian capitol, the US did not show inclination towards occupying said territory. Even more so if we look at the almost mutinous behavior of the New York State militia in the year 1812 and the fact that at the Battles of Queenston, Lacolle Mills and Crysler Farm, over 2/3 of the American force never crossed into BNA. Lastly, what does a British attempt to take Louisiana have to do with Canada? Instead of blocking up the St Lawrence, American vessels operated as far as the Marqueses in the S. Pacific, the Baltic sea and Cape of Good Hope. I ask again, what does that have to do with conquest of Canada?

It was a major and stated goal you failed to achieve. Considering you started the war, and the whole pressganging issue was solved three days before the outbreak, I ask you, what did you gain? Once again, you lose, Amerifat.

Common British Claim #5
Claim: "The Americans lost most of the battles"
Reality: Of the war's three bloodiest battles (New Orleans, Siege of Ft. Erie and Meigs) all three were American victories. Lundy's Lane being a draw with equal losses on both sides. Of the 100 or so battles, the Americans won 62 on land and sea, the British a total of 38. While fighting in Florida, the Meditarranean (2nd war with the Barbary States 1814-15), along the Mississippi (Creek War of 1814), against Tecumseh, the United States lost a modest 2,260 killed in action, to the British-Indian toll of 3,500 killed and 36,000 captured (6,000 in North America and 30,000 privateers), plus an unknown number of indian captured. This included the captures or destructions of over 1,700 merchant ships. Of the two great lake battles, the Americans won both, capturing both of the Royal Navy squadrons assigned to them. A mere militia force induced a veteran army of 15,000 to conduct a 14,000 man retreat back into Canada from Plattsburg, NY.

The disaster of New Orleans was after the end of the war. We completely shut down your trade, occupied New York and most of your ports, and left you totally despondent with people pressuring your President to surrender - the war was unpopular. New Orleans allowed him to spin propaganda. Once again, you accomplished literally nothing and we really were busy with actual real countries and actual real wars and had no deigns on your territory. We suffered 1,600 killed in action as well, so you're basically just lying because you have a tiny dick. Once again, you lose, Amerifat.

0311

03-15-2015, 03:56 AM

We don't care that France happened to sell you some land right in the middle of you losing a war.

Au contraire, because the Louisiana campaign in 1814-15 sought to reverse the "illegitimate" Louisiana purchase by force. Defeats at Baltimore and Plattsburgh however led to Britain dropping her claims to uti possedetis and any hope of carving up Louisiana for the already defeated Creek and Confederacy indians.

and I quote:

"When the Americans resisted this offer, the British retreated further, dropping all of their demands. By this time, the British had learned of their defeat on Lake Champlain and their rebuff at Baltimore. Public enthusiasm for the war was waning, and the government was looking for a way out. The Duke of Wellington provided the neccessary cover when he told Lord Liverpool, the prime minister, that withoutcontrol of the northern lakes, the British had little hope of success. Under the existing circumstances, the Iron Duke concluded. "you have no right to demand any concession of territory from America." Emboldenedby this assessment, Liverpool authorized the British delegation to agree tyo peace on the basis of status quoante bellum - the state that existed before the war."
Donald Hickey - Rockets Red Glare

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 03:56 AM

[QUOTE=FeederOfRavens;3462012]

Not really. That cake goes to the US Navy for fighting history's largest naval battle and for 70 years of relative peace since WW2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

Let us not forget that Trafalgar and the Nile only saved Britain from invasion. It didn't help the Austrians, Prussians nor the Russians. A few years later, the might of the Royal Navy suffered defeat after defeat at the hands of mere American gun boats in back woods arms race on Lakes Erie, Champlain and Ontario where the weight of their ships of the line couldn't count.

Sorry, Trafalgar 'saved us from invasion' (bullshit!) but New Orleans was a major victory? You suck so much dick.

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 03:56 AM

They did. The war's bloodiest battles were 3/4 times American victories (New Orleans, Siege of Ft. Erie, Thames etc)
The 4th (Lundy's Lane) being a draw.

on the naval frontier:
"Nothing could exceed the frankness with which Englishmen avowed their inferiority. According to Sir Francis Head, "gunnery war, in naval warfare in the extraordinary state of ignorance we have just described, when our lean children, the American people, taught us, rod in hand, our first lesson in the art." The English text-book on Naval Gunnery, written by Major-General Sir Howard Douglas immediately after the peace, devoted more attention to the short American war than to all the battles of Napoleon, and began by admitting that Great Britain had "entered with too great confidence on war with a marine much more expert than that of any of our European enemies."

New England chose to stay out of the war. A good chunk of the population of America at the time lived in New England. Not to mention the majority of industry was in New England.

0311

03-15-2015, 03:58 AM

FeederOfRavens

03-15-2015, 03:59 AM

Not really. That cake goes to the US Navy for fighting history's largest naval battle and for 70 years of relative peace since WW2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

How does 70 years of relative peace(not unchallenged though, the Soviet had a Navy for most of that time) compare to a century or more of complete Naval dominance? When the Germans attempted to challenge Britain in a Naval Arms race they lost before WW1 even started.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 04:01 AM

It's honestly when you say nonsense like this "occupied New York and most of your ports," that I refuse to even consider replying you in detail. Look up the difference between blockade, raid and occupation and we'll talk.

I've no interest in talking to you. You have no capability beyond copy and paste and your incredibly strong inferiority complex makes me uncomfortable. I'm sorry we make you feel small, please don't take it out on us. Your inability to respond to my points has been noted. For now, I'm going to bed. Night, Amerifat.

Balmung

03-15-2015, 04:01 AM

Even though Rome conquered like 1/4th the land the British Empire did, it was still a far greater empire.

But you just discredited British prowess by basically saying they only conquered tribal people. What does that say of Romans who fell to tribal people. Tribal people are generally tougher than the sheltered lot.

0311

03-15-2015, 04:02 AM

New England chose to stay out of the war. A good chunk of the population of America at the time lived in New England. Not to mention the majority of industry was in New England.

That's arguable. The "war's capitol" was Baltimore. This is where all of the privateers were outfitted and sent out on their destructive paths. Some estimates on the toll they exacted range up to 1,900 British privateers sunk, captured, sold, returned to port with as many as 30,000 merchant sailors brought back to American prisons.

What is a more interesting detail is the small scale rebellion that greeted our invasion of Upper Canada under Joseph Wilcocks who raised the Canadian Volunteers. Wilcocks switched sides after Queenston and had a following of up to 1,500 by the war's end. The Anglo-Canadian revisionists love playing up the Hartford Convention but refuse to even bring up Wilcocks....the actual rebellion within their ranks that took place.

0311

03-15-2015, 04:02 AM

I've no interest in talking to you. You have no capability beyond copy and paste and your incredibly strong inferiority complex makes me uncomfortable. I'm sorry we make you feel small, please don't take it out on us. Your inability to respond to my points has been noted. For now, I'm going to bed. Night, Amerifat.

Oh no please don't go...you were contributing so much to the discussion.

Jägerstaffel

03-15-2015, 04:04 AM

Oh no please don't go...you were contributing so much to the discussion.

Why bash Britain and yet proudly claim to be Anglo-Saxon?

0311

03-15-2015, 04:05 AM

[QUOTE=0311;3462028]

Sorry, Trafalgar 'saved us from invasion' (bullshit!) but New Orleans was a major victory? You suck so much dick.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e346/gun_control/3shz84_zps29095453.jpg

Smells like victory...

0311

03-15-2015, 04:05 AM

Why bash Britain and yet proudly claim to be Anglo-Saxon?

That's a ruse d'guerre, confuses the fuck out of people.

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 04:12 AM

Oh no please don't go...you were contributing so much to the discussion.

Jaegerstaffel has piqued my ego by sending me the comment "After you destroy this guy, let him know you're half American :)" so I'll say this: there is no 'discussion," there's a rather pathetic American exuding rather pathetic and biased revisionism in which Trafalgar is some desperate scrap to stop an invasion but New Orleans is a glorious all-conquering event - and all you're doing is copying and pasting. You're a poor addition to this forum - like MicroRobert. It should be obvious to you that most people on this thread think you're horribly wrong, but it is equally obvious to us that you've delusionally convinced yourself that we're simply ignorant and you are the one, true, non-revisionist in a world were Americans captured 30,000 British sailors - or 60% of the amount of soldiers actually committed to the field, by way of comparison. 'Oh, I said according to some sources, I don't think it's 100% true' - bottle it. It's dishonesty and you know it. You'd never cite revisionist sources for the other side, you're just interested in encouraging Anglophobic sentiment. And once again, on a technicality, you refused to answer my rather simple points (TLDR version: America didn't meet her objectives she set out with, so she didn't win the war) instead saying 'you don't know the difference between a raid and a blockade, so we're through.' You clearly don't want to have a discussion, you want to flood us with textwalls and rant at/lecture us until we line up to suck your dick. It's not going to happen, not here, not anywhere outside a Tea Party convention. You've clearly chosen to view history with an anti-British lens, taking the 'Britain is an incompetent joke' even in the wars it actually won or wars it didn't participate in, as pointed out by members of the forum already. If you ever were trained in History as a discipline, you've long since abandoned the principles of vaguely unbiased writing. Don't you feel ashamed? If not, that explains that.

In conclusion, yay! another member of our forum with an all-consuming obsession, you'll fit right in.

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 04:19 AM

I am jesus Christ reborn . this will put an end to mankinds quarrels.

Velda

03-15-2015, 07:55 AM

Germany is lost all the wars

For this is certainly a trolling-thread to make people do hate speech to each other concerning their own countries glorious past and other countries inglorious past, so that thy TA members shall tear in pieces another fighting ower their homecountries reputation, I may interpose one dictum

http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/vfsmmt8w2iuly4q.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

LightHouse89

03-15-2015, 08:02 AM

For this is certainly a trolling-thread to make people do hate speech to each other concerning their own countries glorious past and other countries inglorious past, so that thy TA members shall tear in pieces another fighting ower their homecountries reputation, I may interpose one dictum

http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/vfsmmt8w2iuly4q.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

Germany took on the world. Twice and told the world to go suck a dick. For that alone I am proud to have some German ancestry.

Minesweeper

03-15-2015, 08:08 AM

British had an Empire where the sun never sets. Just saying.

Graham

03-15-2015, 11:22 AM

Peikko

03-15-2015, 05:35 PM

There were in the Aaland Islands. In the Continuation War we were [a small] part of an army that took 15% of your territory.
All those raids did was sink some ships. Britain had nothing to do with Finland losing Petsamo, which we already lost in Winter War. And we lost 10% of our territory overall at treaty of 1940, so there's no way that Petsamo would have been 15% of our territory.

Cristiano viejo

03-15-2015, 05:49 PM

Spain defeated England in the next wars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-S...%E2%80%931604) War won by Spain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-S...%E2%80%931630) War won by Spain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Jenkins%27_Ear The War of Jenkins' Ear 1739-48. War won by Spain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_i...olutionary_War Anglo-Spanish War in the American Revolutionary War. War won by Spain.

Even in this war, in which Spain fought alone against Great Britain, France, Dutch Republic, Holy Roman Empire and Savoy, the number of deads says it all http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_...druple_Alianza

4.350 Spaniards dead and wounded
11.250 Austrians dead and wounded
6.000 British dead and wounded
3.000 French dead and wounded
2.250 Savoyard dead and wounded
1.500 German dead and wounded

Longbowman

03-15-2015, 06:20 PM

All those raids did was sink some ships. Britain had nothing to do with Finland losing Petsamo, which we already lost in Winter War. And we lost 10% of our territory overall at treaty of 1940, so there's no way that Petsamo would have been 15% of our territory.

I know, I'm just saying it had a [minor] role. More important is the Aaland Islands.

Empecinado

03-16-2015, 01:30 PM

British had an Empire where the sun never sets. Just saying.

This quote was originally used for the Spanish Empire already in the 16th century.

0311

03-19-2015, 08:06 AM

Listing a million battles doesn't mean so much in comparison to who won the wars. America did beat the United Kingdom though.

You could also say that the US couldn't have taking Canada if they tried, during a similar period of time.

That is either a strawman or a misconception about the war itself.

-see Nr. 4

Common British Claim #4
Claim: "The US' real goal was Canada"
Reality: Far too often the real reasons for going to war are downplayed by the Anglo Canadian revisionists and one particular notion is promoted above all others, that the US was simply complaining about impressment, harsh maritime practices and the British incitement of Indians as a screen for an attempt to take Canada. This is false. Prior to the War of 1812, the United States had fought 3 seperate wars over the same issues that re-arose later. British armed indian bands had been strategically used in the 1790s to oppose rightful American settlement of the "Northwest Territory" region and gaining control over the Great Lakes (as outlined in the Treaty of Paris). Second: the need for a navy that would protect our shipping first arose in the undeclared naval war with France at the turn of the 19th century and ending in the total nullification of the the Treaty of Alliance in 1800. Third, the two Barbary Wars occured over identical casus belli as the War of 1812. Barbary states were interrupting our shipping and detaining our merchants. The Anglo-Canadian revisionists want you to believe that after 12,000 American seamen are impressed into the Royal Navy (300 of which served at the Battle of Cape Trafalgar in 1805), after over a 1,000 American merchant ships are unlawfully captured, numerous American vessels fired upon, and attempts to settle the issues peacefully...Somehow the US out of nowhere gets the grand idea that it wants Canada? Nonsense. Nothing about the way the war was carried out even indicates a desire to occupy and have BNA ceded to the US. After two succesful incursions, one ended with the burning of the Canadian capitol, the US did not show inclination towards occupying said territory. Even more so if we look at the almost mutinous behavior of the New York State militia in the year 1812 and the fact that at the Battles of Queenston, Lacolle Mills and Crysler Farm, over 2/3 of the American force never crossed into BNA. Lastly, what does a British attempt to take Louisiana have to do with Canada? Instead of blocking up the St Lawrence, American vessels operated as far as the Marqueses in the S. Pacific, the Baltic sea and Cape of Good Hope. I ask again, what does that have to do with conquest of Canada?

Lastly I could say the same about Britain being unable to cede Louisiana, Maine, Michigan or Ohio from the US at Ghent. Unlike the alleged claims of the American desire for Canada, Britain's desire for American territory is undisputed. Land hunger was never a casus belli.

0311

03-19-2015, 08:09 AM

British had an Empire where the sun never sets. Just saying.

Keyword: "had"
How did it come to lose it, is a better question. Certainly the Atlantic Charter and diplomatic disasters like Bases for Destroyers are reflective of the manner in which it went down.

0311

03-19-2015, 08:13 AM

were Americans captured 30,000 British sailors -

The fact that you're unaware of the rate at which American privateers were capturing British merchants is reflective of your total ignorance on the subject and therefore forefeits you any serious regard on this issue, as much as you would like that. You cannot expect someone to take you seriously since you have done virtually no research on the subject and wish to dismiss well rooted facts by attempting some sort of childish arithmetic.

My sources are:

"The American Spirit: The Story of Commodore William Phillip Bainbridge
By Thomas Williams"
"During the War of 1812, the U.S. Navy and Privateers together captured 30,000 prisoners, ..."

"Blood Spilled for Freedom: Americas Struggle for Survival 1776-1815" By Gar Olson"

"the U.S. Navy and Privateers together captured 30,000 prisoners, while the American ..."

"Baltimore: Its History and Its People, Vol. 1"
" In the War of 1812, only 6,000 prisoners were captured on land, while 30,000 were taken at sea, and at least1,700 vessels, ..."
"A Ruinous and Unhappy War: New England and the War of 1812 By James H. Ellis"
" The privateers captured some 30,000 prisoners, while the U.S. Army captured only about 6,000 of the enemy."
"The War of 1812: A Complete Chronology with Biographies of 63 General Officers
By Bud Hannings"
"Despite only about 6,000 enemy troops being captured by U.S. land forces during the conflict, the naval forces, including privateers, seize about 30,000 prisoners."

Encyclopedia of the War of 1812
edited by David Stephen Heidler, Jeanne T. Heidler
"By comparison ... They inflicted an estimated $45.5 million of damage on British commerce, as well as taking 30,000 prisoners."
Revolutionary War Quiz and Fact Book
By Jonathan N. Hall

"They took 30,000 prisoners and inflicted a loss of over $45 million to British commerce"

Longbowman

03-19-2015, 12:14 PM

The fact that you're unaware of the rate at which American privateers were capturing British merchants is reflective of your total ignorance on the subject and therefore forefeits you any serious regard on this issue, as much as you would like that. You cannot expect someone to take you seriously since you have done virtually no research on the subject and wish to dismiss well rooted facts by attempting some sort of childish arithmetic.

The fact you're using incredibly biased sources discredits you to the point where I wouldn't respond in full even if you had done the same to me. The Bermudan privateers and Royal Navy captured about as many merchant ships as did the US; if you got 30,000 prisoners than so did the UK but it seems unlikely. I can't even find a web source that suggests any more than half of that, although I admit I didn't try very hard.

Wadaad

03-19-2015, 12:21 PM

Is cute when the WASPs start dick waving each other...You are brothers in the Anglo-American empire. We shouldnt patronize this non-debate, British defeats (save for the American war of independence + war of 1812) are American defeats, Canadian defeats, Aussie defeats, etc. You are brothers and should are united...

Real wars are between civilizations

Longbowman

03-19-2015, 12:23 PM

0311

03-23-2015, 05:07 AM

Damn. Getting your ass kicked this severely, this repeatedly, for such long time I didn't know was possible..has got to build character though.

I think I know why...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVVdgRoGeoU&feature=youtu.be

Anglojew

03-23-2015, 05:08 AM

Your just listing battles won not wars won.

Longbowman

03-23-2015, 05:10 AM

Your just listing battles won not wars won.

Oh, you engaged with the troll. Now you're trapped with me. Sorry mate.

Yeah, he didn't even list them accurately, some aren't battles, some aren't defeats. And ofc he's not listing battles won or showing a win:loss ratio.