Which Haplogroups Are Aryan?

[Curious One]

What do you think about this?

[Beorn]

OMG! I can't believe I can be the first to say this....

Aryans are aR1ans.

http://imgur.com/DdfUY.jpg

[Aemma]

What do you think about this?

What's to think about?

You're asking a question. Perhaps you'd like to start with Google? :thumb001:

[poiuytrewq0987]

Aryan? :icon_yawn:

But if I was to answer, it'd naturally be E1b1, the haplogroup of the Mesopotamian farmers! :naughty:

[Aemma]

Which happy groups have hairy ends, you ask? :horn:

[Curious One]

Aryan? :icon_yawn:

But if I was to answer, it'd naturally be E1b1, the haplogroup of the Mesopotamian farmers! :naughty:

The Mesopotamians carried J2.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Pay for my DNA test and I'll tell you

[poiuytrewq0987]

The Mesopotamians carried J2.

So what's the question of "which haplogroups are Aryan"? Sounds like an incredibly stupid, backasswards question if you ask me.

[Bloodeagle]

Which Haplogroups Are Aryan?
Will you define Aryan (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t118140/) for me?:)

[Murphy]

Fuck off.

[Tabiti]

What do you think about this?
All. Except yours;)

[Fortis in Arduis]

From wikipedia:


The studies published in this active field of ongoing research have yet to present a unanimous picture.
On the one hand, certain reports emphasize the finding that tribal and caste populations in South Asia derive largely from a common genetic heritage of Pleistocene southern and western Asians, with only limited gene flow from external regions since the start of the Holocene.[39][40][41] India-specific mtDNA haplogroups, in particular, show coalescence times of 40-60 kya,[42] while J2 from West Asia is identified as the only non-native Y-DNA haplogroup present in significant proportions.[43] The Y-DNA Haplogroup R1a1a (M17), which was thought to be a marker of Indo-European speaking peoples,[44] has been found quite prevalent in South Asia, including tribal groups, suggesting a native origin with a time depth greater than any supposed Indo-Aryan migration.[45]
On the other hand, certain reports stratify the population, finding relatively closer affinity to Western Eurasians than to Asians among upper castes compared to lower and in men compared to women.[46] Evidence has also been found that the deep ancestry of the entire Indian population is a hybrid of two distinct founder groups, one genetically closer to Middle Easterners, Central Asians, and Europeans, and the other closer to East and Southeast Asians; whose relative proportions vary with the former type more prevalent in high-caste and Indo-Aryan speaking groups.[47]
Language change resulting from the migration of numerically small superstrate groups would be difficult to trace genetically. Historically attested events, such as invasions by Huns, Greeks, Kushans, Moghuls, Muslims, and modern Europeans, have had negligible genetic impact. Despite centuries of Greek rule in Northwest India, for example, no trace of either the M170 or the M35 genetic markers associated with Greeks and Macedonians have been found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_migration

Does that help?

[boredva]

Will you define Aryan (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t118140/) for me?:)

Indo european

[Pallantides]

You have to have mtDNA N1a and Y-DNA R1a1a to be Aryan.



My mtDNA is N1a wich was carried by the Scythians, but I'm just a Bar1barian and not an Ar1an

[Svipdag]

The term "Aryan" is linguisticallty and probably culturally meaningful. Whether it is genetically meaningful is debatable.

[Dani Cutie]

Then romans was mesopotamians? :0
They also was G2a.... :'(

[Dani Cutie]

Bar1barians are not my tr1be :(

[Black Wolf]

Do you mean which haplogroups were part of the original Indo-Iranian or Indo-European groups?

[DanielJ1eH]

None

[Pjeter Pan]

L2* you niggas are phonies

[DanielJ1eH]

L2* you niggas are phonies

Yeah, if you're a Gypsy.

[The Sun King]

Yeah, if you're a Gypsy.

lol

[Dani Cutie]

Hahahah balkanids vote j2 and e3b:dance::whoo::rofl_002::rofl::icon1200::rotfl:: thumbs

[The Sun King]

Voted R1a, and G2a of course.

[Prince Of Macrobia]

I think R1b

[oh-nahhh]

R1b.

[The Sun King]

R1b.

and G2a:biggrin:

[Borna]

Hahahah balkanids vote j2 and e3b:dance::whoo::rofl_002::rofl::icon1200::rotfl:: thumbs

LoL J2 and E3b Aryan :picard1:

Its only R1b (Ultimate Superiority) and our cousins R1a. True IndoEuropean invaders who subdued and subjuaged all those inferior continental Haplogroups.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Really it should be which haplotypes are PIE/'Aryan'.

IE dispersal = late Calcolithic and early Bronze age cultural Horizons. So essentially:
-R1a1a or M17 and those derived = definitely
-R1b-m269 and those derived = strong possibility at this point

Highly doubtful: G2a, essentially corresponds with the early Neolithic and so does E1b1b.

Not sure: J2. Apparently on some anthroboards, many felt it had to do with the Tripolye culture.

Y-DNA I2 types in Europe appear to be Mesolithic leftovers. I1 types have surfaced in the Neolithic.

[Borna]

Well, if we go by iron and classical age antiquity, it was E that was colonizing the mediterannean and importing aryan haplogroups to work their mines.

Or just, I dunno, invazn in general. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TRDzeciDNRI/AAAAAAAADE8/DOUK_yoPIJ8/s1600/journal.pone.0015283.g003.png) Iranian highlands and ancient Phrygia seem pretty particular at that.

R1a and R1b are true Indo Europeans, Slavs,Germanics, very core of the Indo European population. Rest are noobs, specially disgusting haplogroup marked J2.

[Bahaman]

R1b is the hapolougrouup of superior people.

[KawaiiKawaii]

I've read that R1b is the neolithic migrants from Anatolia, R1a the IE (Aryan) invaders. So, I voted R1a

[Vesuvian Sky]

I've read that R1b is the neolithic migrants from Anatolia, R1a the IE (Aryan) invaders. So, I voted R1a

Essentially because the parent clade is so frequent in Anatolia. For R1b, this may or may not be its ultimate geographic origins. Things can change drastically overtime, people move around etc. However oldest R1b in Europe is from Bell Beaker culture which is a rather late Calcolithic cultural horizon with similarities to Yamna and Corded Ware cultural horizons. Cultural horizons like those don't really emanate from Anatolia so it certainly presents a lot of questions.

[Bounder]

R1a and R1b are true Indo Europeans, Slavs,Germanics, very core of the Indo European population. Rest are noobs, specially disgusting haplogroup marked J2.

R1b is higher in "Celtic" Western Euros, than in Germanics.

[Borna]

R1b is higher in "Celtic" Western Euros, than in Germanics.

Depends which subclade !

[Highlands]

E1b :lol:

[DarknessInside]

Haplogroup A1b1 (http://thegeneticatlas.com/A1b1_Y-DNA.htm)
LOL...

[Gooding]

I1 YDNA and K2 mt DNA. Me. :lol:

[LecomtsevAlexander]

it is in the steppe peoples 12 markers R1b 12 13 25 16 11 11-14 12 12 11 12 15 28 , and this is R1a 12 13 25 16 11 11-14 12 12 11 12 13 28

[LecomtsevAlexander]

and the theory of the Aryan invasion which the insanity

[ius semper]

http://i.imgur.com/GLL0M9y.png

[Arhat]

R1a Z93/z94

[Varhun]

To be concrete, it is the 13 markers according to modern terminology of "Aryan": 13 25 15 10 12 12 10 13 11 31 15 14 20 12 16 11 23

[Willem]

Only R1b and R1a.

[Voskos]

N1c and J1.

[Norka]

E-V13

[Voskos]

E-V13

True, Hitler himself was E-V13. If Hitler isn't Aryan then who is?

[Rethel]

A1a1a1a1a1a1a1a1aryan

[wvwvw]

R1a+b, I

[Rethel]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa1111111aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa11111111111 111111111aaaaaaaaaaaa111111111111111 :D

[Ülev]

I + J

[Rethel]

Only A as Aryan can be!
Aaaaaaaaaaa11111111111111aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa1111111111 111111111aaaaaaaaaaaa11aa11aaa1a1a1a1a111aaa
This is the only true Aryan group carried by Ari tribe - original Aryans! :)

[Ülev]

Only A as Aryan can be!
Aaaaaaaaaaa11111111111111aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa1111111111 111111111aaaaaaaaaaaa11aa11aaa1a1a1a1a111aaa
This is the only true Aryan group carried by Ari tribe - original Aryans! :)

A-ryans
I-ndigenous
R-obots?

[Danaan]

Only Indo-Iranians can be called Aryans and personally I don't believe that all of them used the term to refer to themselves. The root and the original meaning are uncertain, although there are some popular theories.
From the Greek sources we know that the Medes did refer to themselves as Arians (Άριοι) originally, for example. I think that there aren't many sources which explicitly state something like that about other 'Aryans'.
The modern use of the term by Nazis and sympathisers proves that they were/are completely retarded.

[Rethel]

Only Indo-Iranians can be called Aryans

The same as only people living in Fthiotida can called themselves Hellenoi, and people from tanagara in Beotia - Greeks.

Dont dare call anything else by these names! :)

And of course people in your country must change names of Ary-stotel, Arystobul itp. and renamed politic idea of aristocratia.

[Loki]

Only R1a.

[Loki]

I + J

Can those be found anywhere in India?

[Ülev]

Can those be found anywhere in India?

J - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172

and Elite is/was always minority

[Loki]

J - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172

and Elite is/was always minority

I'm uncertain about J. If it was "Aryan", there would have been some concentrations in northern Europe. But it seems they're only strong in SE.

[Danaan]

The same as only people living in Fthiotida can called themselves Hellenoi, and people from tanagara in Beotia - Greeks.

Dont dare call anything else by these names! :)

And of course people in your country must change names of Ary-stotel, Arystobul itp. and renamed politic idea of aristocratia.

You can call yourself Aryan if you wish. It just proves that you are retarded.
The analogies you made are weird.

[Ülev]

I try to kick-start this topic

[Artek]

Haplogroup doesn't matter, all you have to do is to poo in a loo:

https://img.ifcdn.com/images/005070fc9abe4347307828429851b8e0a2118ab9201cc0c954 c6686a1360418e_1.jpg

[Africa]

R1A

[AphroditeWorshiper]

R1a and R2

Indians are superior

[Rethel]

Indians are superior

:picard2:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkOsgXHUGs0

[AphroditeWorshiper]

:picard2:


...

guy, Indians are Indians, the happiest people in world with a amazing culture

[Rethel]

guy, Indians are Indians, the happiest people in world with a amazing culture

:picard2:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5052/5514898688_a5c35bbc1d_m.jpg

[AphroditeWorshiper]

:picard2:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5052/5514898688_a5c35bbc1d_m.jpg

India: or you love or you hate

[Peterski]

A-R1-ans, so R1a and R1b.

[Danaan]

A-R1-ans, so R1a and R1b.

Your ancestors spoke Vasconic.

[Peterski]

Your ancestors spoke Vasconic.

By "mine" you mean L617 or R1b in general ??? Actually, there are many basal lineages of R1b in Poland, suggesting that R1b came from the Steppe, crossing Poland on its way west. I'm not descended from Vasconics - rather Vasconics are descended from "me" (based on STR-s my lineage seems to be basal to theirs).

Also Chisholms from Scotland (who are descended from the Normans per wiki) are related to me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Chisholm

Chisholms are my closest match on 37 STR-s. They didn't buy SNP Pack, so they are listed as M269+.

But according to Mike W. - admin of R1b Project on FTDNA - my Y seems to be "basal" to theirs.

[Peterski]

Check my thread: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?7849-R1b-subclade-prediction

Back then, I didn't know that I'm L617+. I just got SNP Pack results today.

Based on 37 STR-s, I was predicted to be P312, either L21 or DF27.

Now it turns out that I'm DF27. Probably Chisholms are DF27 too.

[Rethel]

By "mine" you mean L617 or R1b in general ??? Actually, there are many basal lineages of R1b in Poland, suggesting that R1b came from the Steppe, crossing Poland on its way west. I'm not descended from Vasconics - rather Vasconics are descended from "me" (based on STR-s my lineage seems to be basal to theirs).

Also Chisholms from Scotland (who are descended from the Normans per wiki) are related to me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Chisholm

Chisholms are my closest match on 37 STR-s. They didn't buy SNP Pack, so they are listed as M269+.

But according to Mike W. - admin of R1b Project on FTDNA - my Y seems to be "basal" to theirs.

So, maybe you are a Szot - scottish migrant from XV-XIX centuries?
From about half of a million to even 2-3 of millions of people should
be their patrydescendants today in Poland herbu Jurand odmienny.. :p

[CrazyDaisy]

R1b1b2a1a?

[Peterski]

So, maybe you are a Szot - scottish migrant from XV-XIX centuries?


Rather impossible, because my surname is not of Scottish origin.

And my ancestor's surname in year 1832 was not Scottish either.

[Nexus]

Indian R1a = Indo-Aryan

The rest is non-Aryan obviously

[Fractal]

No haplogroup is Aryan because Aryan is an ethnolinguistic term associated with the Indo-Aryans of India, not with moronic pale faced dalits from Europe and the middle east.

But if there is one, it would have to be Indian R1a.

[Rethel]

Rather impossible, because my surname is not of Scottish origin.

And my ancestor's surname in year 1832 was not Scottish either.

Could be polonized via translation or adopting new one.

[Fractal]

Could be polonized via translation or adopting new one.

You're not an Aryan, filthy slavic white boy Polak. Just get over it.

[Rethel]

You're not an Aryan, filthy slavic white boy Polak. Just get over it.

And how it applies to what I wrote?

Did you forget the pills today?

[Urbanuss]

E1b1n1gga

[Vegtamr]

I think any haplogroup brought in by Corded Ware or Western Hunter Gatherers should be considered Aryan, so R1a, R1b, and I1

[Ironguard]

I think any haplogroup brought in by Corded Ware or Western Hunter Gatherers should be considered Aryan, so R1a, R1b, and I1

And I2

[Babak]

R1a-Z93

[Guti]

The Aryans of the Upper Mesopotamia who found Medo-Persian empires were related to the Aryan Guto-Medes and were mostly of Y-DNA hg. J2a, J1, G2a, T, L, R1b and maybe some ancient R2a and R1a. Notice that the Aryan Guto-Medes Y-DNA was hg. R1b-Z2103, which was a very different lineage from CWC. CWC belonged to a different Y-DNA hg. R1b lineage and was most likely 'Indo-Europeanized' by Yamnaya through elite dominance. Also hg. R1a in CWC was very different from the Aryan lineages of hg. R1a

[Guti]

Y-DNA distribution among modern NorthernWest Iranic aka UPPER Mesopotamian Aryan people.

https://i.postimg.cc/fTbR053r/Talysh.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/KYnxk3gw/Ezdi-Kurds.png


Proto-Upper Mesopotamian Aryans were predominately J2a, G2a, R1b and L with some minor haplogroups such as J1, E1b1, T, R2a and R1a.

[Guti]

R1a1-Z93 can never be derived from a Corded Ware culture because CWC belonged to different Y-DNA hg. R1a haplogroup. It is actually R1a1-Z282 that has been associated with the CWC. Long after the split from R-M420.

CWC was only from 2900BC. The split of R1a-M417 took place during the Maykop (Yamnaya) period and therefore BEFORE CWC. At least 1000 years before CWC, lol. R-Z93 existed already even before CWC was born.


Also, Aryans in the Upper Mesopotamia were not R1a1-Z93, but R1a1-Z94 and younger and it was not the only R1a linage in them. Other lineages were most likely derived from Y-DNA hg. R1a2, like my own.

[Guti]

By the way, I am an Aryan and my paternal Y-DNA lineage is hg. R1a2. It means that the ancient Aryans, my direct Aryan ancestors belonged at least to Y-DNA hg. R1a2. We can be almost certain about that. :cool:

[Volvado Seja]

E1b1 is the aryanest of all aryans