Should the vuvuzela be banned?

[Loki]

Something Europeans (and other non-Africans) didn't bargain for ... and are quickly becoming sick of. It sounds like a massive swarm of bees, and I am sure one would have to use a strong dose of paracetamol after attending a game.

Luckily, TV-watchers can now cancel the vuvuzela noise frequency (http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/33659/get-rid-official-vuvuzela-tv), or you can buy an anti-vuvuzela filter (http://www.antivuvuzelafilter.com/).

Should the thing be banned from stadiums?

[Fortis in Arduis]

No, the vuvuzela are an integral part of South African fan culture and should be promoted.

If fans dislike the vuvuzela, they should be taken aside to attend courses on cultural appreciation.

In short, people who dislike the vuvuzela should be banned.

That is all. :)

[Wulfhere]

I think the real question is, should football be banned?

[Falkata]

Yes, it should be banned, it sucks. Football atmosphere is more than thousands of retardeds with vuvuzelas, i want to hear the chants, the emotions and everything. I dont give a fuck about their culture. Wine is part of my culture and i cant enter in a stadium with bottles.
South Africa sucks

[Eldritch]

I absolutely hate the sound of vuvuzela, but like I pointed out in another thread, I wouldn't want to ban chanting and drumming either. So no.

EDIT:

Unless there's a significant South African anti-Vuvuzela lobby, that is.

[Grumpy Cat]

I say no. People are having fun.

We North American sports fans have just as annoying things:

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[Smaland]

But an air horn has more class than a vuvuzela. :D

[Grumpy Cat]

But an air horn has more class than a vuvuzela. :D

You think?

One thing that really annoys me a sporting events... the giant foam fingers.

http://www.showyourlogo.com/fun-advertising/Team-Foam-Fingers.jpg

Or the Tomahawk chop (many Native Americans find this offensive too):

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[Falkata]

I want real football! Not an african circus! :(

This is football!

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[Radojica]

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I agree with Falkata. Trumpets are Serbian national instrument. Imagine hearing this at some football match :eek:!

This is more melodic and nicer for the ears, but there is no place for this on football match. I saw a couple of fans who were wearing earphones in order not to go crazy of that buzzing. Its nice to hear a couple of them, but not a couple of thousand of them... I was able to hear only once "uhhhhhhhh" after one chance...come on...

[Sally]

Yes, because they are of the devil. :mad:

[Falkata]

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I agree with Falkata. Trumpets are Serbian national instrument. Imagine hearing this at some football match :eek:!

This is more melodic and nicer for the ears, but there is no place for this on football match. I saw a couple of fans who were wearing earphones in order not to go crazy of that buzzing. Its nice to hear a couple of them, but not a couple of thousand of them... I was able to hear only once "uhhhhhhhh" after one chance...come on...

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[Lulletje Rozewater]

No, the vuvuzela are an integral part of South African fan culture and should be promoted.

If fans dislike the vuvuzela, they should be taken aside to attend courses on cultural appreciation.

In short, people who dislike the vuvuzela should be banned.

That is all. :)

Wrong.

1. The droning of a vuvuzela has been measured at 127 decibels – louder than a chainsaw – and the Royal National Institute for Deaf People says that is enough to cause temporary tinnitus and even some long-term problems.
Angela King, RNID's senior audiology specialist, said: “Noise over 85 decibels can cause damage over time. Vuvuzelas produce levels with more than five times that damage potential.”



2.
The cacophonous noise created by vuvuzelas has proved so controversial that football’s world governing body, FIFA, considered banning them from the World Cup until the
South African FA protested, saying they were an integral part of soccer matches in the country.

SAFA talks crap.


3.
It is said to be based on the horn of the kudu antelope, which some tribes in South Africa traditionally used to call villagers to meetings, and which Matabele warriors used to send signals over long distances.
Their popularity at football matches purportedly derives from a South African legend that baboons can be killed by loud noises, giving fans added incentive to blow their vuvuzelas constantly in an attempt to “kill off” the opposing team.I have not seen any Baboon dying yet:D


4.
Even the origin of the name vuvuzela is disputed. Some etymologists say it is a Zulu word meaning “making a vuvu noise”, but others believe it is derived from township slang for a shower, because the end of the horn resembles a shower head.



http://www.i-namibia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/zuma-with-da-shower.jpg

[Don]

Los negros no tienen mesura.

[Murphy]

It's just.. noise. There's.. nothing else but pure noise. Which is annoying as fuck.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Saw some world cup games today. It really does sound exactly like a swarm of bees. It's annoying, and doesn't stop, ever. I can't imagine what it must be like to hear these things in real life.


Yes, because they are of the devil. :mad:

Of course, they herald the entrance of the Stygian Triplets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_%28film%29) :thumb001:

[Óttar]

I don't care for the sound, but I've always thought of football as a noisy affair. The droning sound almost induces a strange trance-like state to be honest. I do wish that I could hear some of the football songs and chants though. It's too bad we have to miss out on those.

Who knows, maybe the World Cup will be in London next time if you guys can behave yourselves. ;)

[Majar]

I'm surprised they aren't saying those annoyed by this sound are just "racists."

[Loki]

It's only a matter of time, I am sure. That's the nuclear option that will silence all criticism.
I'm surprised they aren't saying those annoyed by this sound are just "racists."

[poiuytrewq0987]

You think?

One thing that really annoys me a sporting events... the giant foam fingers.

http://www.showyourlogo.com/fun-advertising/Team-Foam-Fingers.jpg

Or the Tomahawk chop (many Native Americans find this offensive too):



Native Americans? :D

[Lenny]

I'm surprised they aren't saying those annoyed by this sound are just "racists."
They've already done this, more-or-less.


Course of events
1.) Pointless constant horn-playing annoys everyone.
2.) FIFA complains to South-Africa organizers, inquires after a horn ban.
3.) South-Africa organizers say a ban is impossible, because The horns are part of the culture of Africa (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Vuvuzelas+are+here+to+stay+and+will+ne ver+be+banned.%22).
4.) FIFA quietly withdraws its request.
5.) Horns continue to annoy everyone.

:rolleyes:

[Amapola]

YES, pls.

[antonio]

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The cacophonous noise created by vuvuzelas has proved so controversial that football’s world governing body, FIFA, considered banning them from the World Cup until the protested, saying they were an integral part of soccer matches in the country.

SAFA talks crap.


In fact what that negroid (and colaboracionist whites) morons can say about it is (must be) irrelevant. FIFA and International Board are the only ones that can define what is a football game and what is not. Obviously public playing all the fucking game such a horrible cacophonic sound (affecting not only the civilizated ones among them but also the footballers) have nothing to do with a (civilized) football game. Unfortunatelly they're (at least till the Cup is over) just to suck black dicks in order of not worsening things to relieve a little their mastodontical error at giving SouthAfrica a Mundial...needless to say that 30 years before it would be a country worthier of such event -if not were for their pathetic International Apartheid (at same time that SOBs were the first to say that Politics and sports must not be mixed: they can also question Serbia about it )-


My only hope is that FIFA will subrepticiously make them pay their disobeyance by means of referees not to helping their home national team to classify second phase...would be the fist time ever on not helping it, but that bastards are well deserving it.


Ps. My prayers and toughts are with maximum leader of SouthAfrica Negroes Nelson Mandela for the unfortunated decease of his grandaughter..."lo cortés no quita lo valiente" :D

[Beorn]

I wonder if FIFA would be so warm and welcoming to English culture when we host the World Cup in the future?


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[poiuytrewq0987]

I wonder if FIFA would be so warm and welcoming to English culture when we host the World Cup in the future?


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That is nothing compared to Russia or any other Eastern European countries where you see that sort of behavior on a daily basis. :thumbs up

[Beorn]

That is nothing compared to Russia or any other Eastern European countries where you see that sort of behavior on a daily basis. :thumbs up

That's right. We taught you lot how to appreciate football.

[Treffie]

I don't see anything wrong with it. The World Cup is only running for a month, so I think that people should put up with it - as long as the vuvuzela doesn't become a South African export.

[Aramis]

The sound of the vuvuzela isn't really enjoyable, but No to the ban.
Some people most stop being oversensitive hypocrites, that's all. Problem solved :)

[Agrippa]

It is annoying and even on TV it can distract and being a pain...

But it also depends on the TV stations ability to put it down and the numbers of "experienced and capable" users. If there are too much of the latter, its really, really a problem to me, otherwise one can get used to it in a game...

[Aramis]

It is annoying and even on TV it can distract and being a pain...

But it also depends on the TV stations ability to put it down and the numbers of "experienced and capable" users. If there are too much of the latter, its really, really a problem to me, otherwise one can get used to it in a game...

Just let yourself go, and fall in a trance.

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[poiuytrewq0987]

That's right. We taught you lot how to appreciate football.

The Slavs invented football, it's the reason why the English people only behave terribly during football events - not all the time meanwhile us Slavs hold the banner of aggressive drunkards (and damn proud of it!) :thumb001:

[Allenson]

It doesn't bother me while watching the matches on TV but I'm sure if I were in the stands or trying to play, it would piss me off to no end.

So yes, get rid of the god damn things. :)

[antonio]

It doesn't bother me while watching the matches on TV but I'm sure if I were in the stands or trying to play, it would piss me off to no end.

So yes, get rid of the god damn things. :)

Even considering an individual sportman more disturbable: can you imagine that shit for the sake of "culture and tradition" at an ATP tournament? Enough say.

[Beorn]

The Slavs invented football

O Rly?

"The modern game was codified in England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) following the formation of The Football Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Football_Association), whose 1863 Laws of the Game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_the_Game_%28association_football%29) created the foundations for the way the sport is played today."

Sorry, but I tried looking for the word 'Slav'. Couldn't find it anywhere.

[Grumpy Cat]

as long as the vuvuzela doesn't become a South African export.

It already has. From a Canadian hockey game:

http://www.sequential-one.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/vuvuzela.jpg

http://www.sequential-one.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/noisemaker-590x392.jpg

[Aramis]

It already has. From a Canadian hockey game:

It's the begining of the end for all sport events.

[Grumpy Cat]

It's the begining of the end for all sport events.

I'm thinking I should take one to a golf course. :D

[Eldritch]

It already has. From a Canadian hockey game:

http://www.sequential-one.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/vuvuzela.jpg

http://www.sequential-one.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/noisemaker-590x392.jpg

I think anyone who brings one of those things to a hockey game should be kicked in the head by the crowd around him, until they no longer are moving.

[Eldritch]

The Slavs invented football,

The Aztecs played football with the severed heads of defeated enemy/slave tribes. It was not unusual for the losing team team to be sacrificed to the gods, either.

[Beorn]

The Aztecs played football with the severed heads of defeated enemy/slave tribes. It was not unusual for the losing team team to be sacrificed to the gods, either.

Did they have penalties and red and yellow cards too? :)

What needs to be cleared here is that Aztecs and Celts, and all other tribes which thought it "fun" to severe the heads of their enemies, didn't play football but some form of "let's chop his head off and kick it into a hole/into a wooden circle for fun."

Nothing footbally here tbh.

Football as it is known today started to become something we could recognise when an inflated pigs bladder became involved, or some other organ of a poor animal.

[Eldritch]

Did they have penalties and red and yellow cards too? :)

What needs to be cleared here is that Aztecs and Celts, and all other tribes which thought it "fun" to severe the heads of their enemies, didn't play football but some form of "let's chop his head off and kick it into a hole/into a wooden circle for fun."

Nothing footbally here tbh.

Football as it is known today started to become something we could recognise when an inflated pigs bladder became involved, or some other organ of a poor animal.

I was merely pointing out the fact that although the rules of the game as they're known today were first codified in England, similar games had been played the world over before.

Btw what's the deal with the first FA meeting being in some kind of Masonic lodge? :confused:

[Beorn]

I was merely pointing out the fact that although the rules of the game as they're known today were first codified in England, similar games had been played the world over before.

Oh sure, but it is misleading to have called it football.


Btw what's the deal with the first FA meeting being in some kind of Masonic lodge? :confused:

:confused: You've lost me?

[Eldritch]

:confused: You've lost me?

According to Wikipedia, the (English) Football Association's first meeting was in a pub called the Freemasons' Tavern (today called the Freemasons Arms) in London.

http://www.shepherd-neame.co.uk/pubs/gfx/836311/3332.jpg

[Smaland]

I'm thinking I should take one to a golf course. :D

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[Beorn]

According to Wikipedia, the (English) Football Association's first meeting was in a pub called the Freemasons' Tavern in London.

It would have been interesting if they had met in the Cock and Bull or The Queens Head it seems. How about the Hogshead? :D

I suppose some would look into beyond what it was, but it is most likely just the closest pub, or the pub they liked the most, and the pub that was most appropriate for well to do Gentlemen to frequent their business considering, that served well to use as their opening place of meeting.

[Eldritch]

It would have been interesting if they had met in the Cock and Bull or The Queens Head it seems. How about the Hogshead? :D

I suppose some would look into beyond what it was, but it is most likely just the closest pub, or the pub they liked the most, and the pub that was most appropriate for well to do Gentlemen to frequent their business considering, that served well to use as their opening place of meeting.

Makes sense I suppose. Here's what Wiki has to say about the place in its entirety:


Freemasons Arms is a fairly common name for British pubs.


One such is a Shepherd Neame pub on Long Acre in London. It claims to be the site where both the Football Association and the Geological Society of London were founded; however this may be merely because the pub succeeded to the business of the Freemasons' Tavern, which was demolished in 1860 to rebuild Freemasons Hall, 250 yards east in Great Queen Street on the site of the New Connaught Rooms.

[Grumpy Cat]

So I was queueing at a convenience store and someone passed gas, and it sounded exactly like a vuvuzela. I was standing there trying not to laugh.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Saw some world cup games today. It really does sound exactly like a swarm of bees. It's annoying, and doesn't stop, ever. I can't imagine what it must be like to hear these things in real life.



Of course, they herald the entrance of the Stygian Triplets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_%28film%29) :thumb001:

When I walked into a Spar shop,some kaffir blew this thing near my ear.
I wrestled it from him and gave him such a vuvu blow that he faltered.
Go and blow the shit thing in your own house you fok-head I shouted.
Lots of clapping,by the shoppers.
Then another kaffir said"Racist".
I looked at him and smiled, saying:" It takes one to see one"

[Treffie]

I've changed my mind, yes they should be banned. Someone in the office next to me had 2 shipped over from South Africa :mad:

[Absinthe]

Know that I found out what a vuvuzela is,

:ban? :vote_yes:

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I've changed my mind, yes they should be banned. Someone in the office next to me had 2 shipped over from South Africa :mad:

England sells them for 2 pound.( 3rd comment)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/15/vuvuzela-import-uk

[Absinthe]

England sells them for 2 pound.

Greece sells them for 12 euros (http://vuvuzela.gr/)! :eek:

Once again, what suckers we are :rolleyes:

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Greece sells them for 12 euros (http://vuvuzela.gr/)! :eek:

Once again, what suckers we are :rolleyes:

The Greek could buy them here for 1 Euro max 2 at Pick n Pay
Some pizza shops give them away

[Oinakos Growion]

There's a difference between showing your cultural whatever, which might include playing a trumpet during celebrations, and this constant nonsensical background noise.
Or if you prefer:
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[Eldritch]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4704074662_29ff5223bb_b.jpg

Top 10 Most Annoying Sounds (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1996489_1996488,00.html?iid=moreontime) :rolleyes2:

[Absinthe]

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/054/754/original/FUFUZELAAAA.png

[Absinthe]

....dedicated to Loki :D

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[SwordoftheVistula]

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[SwordoftheVistula]

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[Óttar]

It was not unusual for the losing team team to be sacrificed to the gods, either.
I've heard it was the winning team. It was an honour to be sacrificed.

[Grumpy Cat]

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[Lulletje Rozewater]

There's a difference between showing your cultural whatever, which might include playing a trumpet during celebrations, and this constant nonsensical background noise.
Or if you prefer:
http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/054/618/original/1276448165430.jpg

:D:D serves her right
http://www.sport24.co.za/Soccer/WorldCup/NationalNews/Vuvuzela-causes-hole-in-throat-20100618

Marelize Potgieter, Die Burger

Cape Town - A Bafana Bafana supporter's joyous blowing on a vuvuzela resulted in her tearing a hole into her throat.

Yvonne Mayer of Bloubergstrand could not eat or speak for two days after blowing the vuvuzela caused her to rupture part of her throat.

Mayer, an employee of Old Mutual Finance in Pinelands, and her husband Ronald had walked through the streets of Cape Town to enjoy the atmosphere before the opening game last Friday.

When she and a group of people held a vuvuzela blowing competition, her throat started burning. "I just thought I was getting sick."

Rupture

After the match, her throat started burning even more. It felt as if a bubble had become stuck in her windpipe, she said. The next day her doctor explained that the pressure in her windpipe had become too much, resulting in part of her throat rupturing.

Dr Scott Barker of Netcare Blaauberg Hospital said the continuous blowing after the initial tear had resulted in the wound becoming bigger.

Air entered the tissue through the wound. Although Mayer was not admitted to hospital, she had to be monitored to prevent infection.

Mayer said she suspected she had blown the instrument incorrectly. "People said I should blow it like a trumpet. I pulled my lips tightly and blew as hard as possible.

"The sound was a bit different, but I was rather impressed with the result."

She admits she is now a bit nervous about blowing the vuvuzela again, and thinks she will rather try to master the technique first.

[SwordoftheVistula]

People named Mayer working for companies like 'Old Mutual Finance' usually qualify for Israeli citizenship-is that the case here?

[Lulletje Rozewater]

People named Mayer working for companies like 'Old Mutual Finance' usually qualify for Israeli citizenship-is that the case here?

Could be.
She speaks with a forked tongue, or advertising gimmick
Most Yids love the ANC too.
In this case I think she will vote for the DA-Helen Zille.

Old Mutual is an Insurance/investment company affiliated to Ned-Bank and some 30 odd countries.
It is a good company,but conservative

[Hrolf Kraki]

From what I understand the vuvuzela is part of the football culture in Africa so I wouldn't ban it, at least from this World Cup, but I would somehow get it across to Africa that the vuvuzelas are going to pretty much ruin any chance of them getting to host a future cup; not as long as those involved in this World Cup are still breathing.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

From what I understand the vuvuzela is part of the football culture in Africa so I wouldn't ban it, at least from this World Cup, but I would somehow get it across to Africa that the vuvuzelas are going to pretty much ruin any chance of them getting to host a future cup; not as long as those involved in this World Cup are still breathing.

It has never been a part of the SA soccer culture

[The Lawspeaker]

I'd say ban it. The thing does as much damage to your ears the engine of a fighter jet and was never meant to be used in a stadium or in the close company of other people anyways. It was meant to communicate over distances by primitive African (not native to South Africa) tribes.

It's not part of South African (thus Afrikaner or English) sports culture so they shouldn't have a place in the stadium. I also think that the sale of vuvuzela's overseas for World Championship marketing reasons should be banned (this includes here in the Netherlands).

[Grumpy Cat]

Someone should make a real Flash game of this. :lol:

http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/062010/vuvuzela_hero.jpg

[seismic]

Aside from being annoying and deafening for spectators, i imagine that its very distracting for players maybe its not the new ball design that causes the inaccuracy maybe its the vuvuzela's