The non-Aryan origin of "Iranians"

[gültekin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7zqx0YUVBo

Mongoloid Caucasoids of Mesolithic - Tatiana Chikisheva, 2010:
As soon as you touch physical anthropology, odontology, genetics, osteology, lactose tolerance, blood groups, and other mundane details, traits intolerable for patriots of Indo-Iranism (or Arianism) come to light, and there are no intelligible answers from the Arian department, whose only arguments are name-calling and accusations in Pan-Turkism. Worse yet, self-aggrandizing theory was mostly forged by intellectually masculine “Arian” males, who dreamt up noble riders as their ancestors, but not in a small degree is debunked by c
ontemned females unobtrusively doing their daily work on mundane details, the ickiest offence of which is to find that noble Arian riders had flattish faces, squintish eyes, and Mongoloid admixture.
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/Chikisheva/ChikishevaTASSiberianMesolithEn.htm

Portsmouth University:
An Iranian scientist has done a study on the historical Aryan emigration to Iran. The theory says that about 4000 years ago the Aryan tribes emigrated to Iran from central Asia and the Caucasus. By this theory the Iranians (Iran) should genetically be ralated to the Aryan peoples.
But a research on over 2600 Iranian DNA-sequences (y-dna & mt-dna) shows something else. Dr. Bonab Ashrafian says:
"... We have done studies on 26 different Iranian groups. Although we speak an Indo-European language we are not genetically very close to Indo-European peoples. The Aryan genetic markers that exist in central Asia and the Caucasus are found very few in the Iranian Plateau. This shows that if there is any Aryan genetic markers in the Iranian DNA, it probably came from the Aryan tribes that entered Iran."
Dr. Ashrafian has also studied on the Ancient Iranian bones. The study on the ancient bones found in Jiroft and Masjid Kabood shows they are the ancestors of todays Iranians. If these studies show Iranians are not Aryans, then where did they come from? Has the Arabian invasion of Iran (1400 years ago) effected the Iranian DNA?
Dr. Ashrafian continues as follows:
"Our research shows that all Iranian tribes are genetically related to the people who lived in south-west of Iran since 10.000 years. The Arabian invasion has effected south-west of Iran and Bushehr, but in very very few amounts."

[Yatoork]

Good for them :)

And too good for your my Turkified Persian Mongrel (aka Azeri/Azerbaijani) :rotfl:

[Kamal900]

Lol, your the one to talk. Turks are nothing but Turkified native Anatolians with minor Turkic admixture, and genetically, Turks cluster very close to the people they hate than their so called Turkic bretheren in central and north asia.

[StonyArabia]

Lol, your the one to talk. Turks are nothing but Turkified native Anatolians with minor Turkic admixture, and genetically, Turks cluster very close to the people they hate than their so called Turkic bretheren in central and north asia.

The culture is vastly different and is similar to that of their neighbours. Yakut,Tuvan, and even the Muslim Turkics have a very different culture.

[Sockorer]

Iranians are mostly descended from Neolithic Middle Easterners, not Arabs. Arabs too are mostly descended from Neolithic Middle Easterners but they have Negro admixture where as Iranians have Ancient North Eurasian admixture mostly from invading proto-Iranians from Central Asia.

[StonyArabia]

Iranians are mostly descended from Neolithic Middle Easterners, not Arabs. Arabs too are mostly descended from Neolithic Middle Easterners but they have Negro admixture where as Iranians have Ancient North Eurasian admixture mostly from invading proto-Iranians from Central Asia.

We have ancient East African admix, if you mean that by Negro, at least ethnic Arabians do, and they lack the West African and if some of them do it's recent. It's funny I have both ANE at quite high levels, and low East African, the first is from the Circassian side and the latter is from the Arabian side. That said we don't share much ancestry with Iranians, we have far more Basal Eurasian base to us than them.

[gültekin]

The culture is vastly different and is similar to that of their neighbours. Yakut,Tuvan, and even the Muslim Turkics have a very different culture.
no , its not. you have not a idea about Turkish culture. its similar and close to all Oguz populations, and other Turkics

Iranians are mostly descended from Neolithic Middle Easterners, not Arabs. Arabs too are mostly descended from Neolithic Middle Easterners but they have Negro admixture where as Iranians have Ancient North Eurasian admixture mostly from invading proto-Iranians from Central Asia.
not quite, this theory is no longer valid, last DNA research:
Dr. Ashrafian continues as follows:
"Our research shows that all Iranian tribes are genetically related to the people who lived in south-west of Iran since 10.000 years. The Arabian invasion has effected south-west of Iran and Bushehr, but in very very few amounts."

[Kamal900]

no , its not. you have not a idea about Turkish culture. its similar and close to all Oguz populations, and other Turkics

not quite, this theory is no longer valid, last DNA research:
Dr. Ashrafian continues as follows:
"Our research shows that all Iranian tribes are genetically related to the people who lived in south-west of Iran since 10.000 years. The Arabian invasion has effected south-west of Iran and Bushehr, but in very very few amounts."

" Due to its long-term geographic position as gateway between Europe and Asia, the genetic constitution of Anatolia is highly complex. In spite of its overwhelming diversity, most citizens of the Republic of Turkey are firstlanguage Turkish-speakers and consider themselves ethnic Turks. This was not the case during the early Middle Ages and the time of the Byzantine Empire. Although we are able to identify four successive Turkic empires, Islamicization, and post-World War I nationalization as the essential steps toward ethnic homogenization, from historical texts alone we cannot determine to what extent mass migration from Central Asia and Siberia is responsible for Turkish dominance in Anatolia today. To assess the extent of gene flow from lands east of the Caspian, we examined the patterns of genetic variation in Turkic-speaking populations from Anatolia to Siberia. This analysis allows us to build the case for incommensurable, long-term, and continuing genetic signatures in both Anatolia and Siberia, and for significant mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome divergence between the regions, with minimal admixture. We supplement the case against mass migration with correlative archeological, historical, and linguistic data, and suggest that it was irregular punctuated migration events that engendered large-scale shifts in language and culture among Anatolia's diverse autochthonous inhabitants."
http://www.pop.upenn.edu/biblio/who-are-anatolian-turks-reappraisal-anthropological-genetic-evidence

"In the evolutionary history of modern humans, Anatolia acted as a bridge between the Caucasus, the Near East, and Europe. Because of its geographical location, Anatolia was subject to migrations from multiple different regions throughout time. The last, well-known migration was the movement of Turkic speaking, nomadic groups from Central Asia. They invaded Anatolia and then the language of the region was gradually replaced by the Turkic language. In the present study, insertion frequencies of 10 Alu loci (A25 = 0.07, APO = 0.96, TPA25 = 0.44, ACE = 0.37, B65 = 0.57, PV92 = 0.18, FXIIIB = 0.52, D1 = 0.40, HS4.32 = 0.66, and HS4.69 = 0.30) have been determined in the Anatolian population. Together with the data compiled from other databases, the similarity of the Anatolian population to that of the Balkans and Central Asia has been visualized by multidimensional scaling method. Analysis suggested that, genetically, Anatolia is more closely related with the Balkan populations than to the Central Asian populations. Central Asian contribution to Anatolia with respect to the Balkans was quantified with an admixture analysis. Furthermore, the association between the Central Asian contribution and the language replacement episode was examined by comparative analysis of the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia, Azerbaijan (another Turkic speaking country) and their neighbors. In the present study, the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia was estimated as 13%. This was the lowest value among the populations analyzed. This observation may be explained by Anatolia having the lowest migrant/resident ratio at the time of migrations."
Am J Phys Anthropol, 2008. © 2007 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20772/abstract

[gültekin]

copy-paste
so, do you say that some superman chinchongs from Japan jumped over asia and Turkified a population of %90 ? cool, anyway it is of topic and has nothing to do with Iranians Aryanism

[lameduck]

Iranian definitely have lot higher ANE than their Arab neighbors.

[lameduck]

We have ancient East African admix, if you mean that by Negro, at least ethnic Arabians do, and they lack the West African and if some of them do it's recent. It's funny I have both ANE at quite high levels, and low East African, the first is from the Circassian side and the latter is from the Arabian side. That said we don't share much ancestry with Iranians, we have far more Basal Eurasian base to us than them.

If you dont mind telling what is your ANE level, did you used Eurogenes K8. I am interested since you have two ancestries.

[Pahli]

so, do you say that some superman chinchongs from Japan jumped over asia and Turkified a population of %90 ? cool, anyway it is of topic and has nothing to do with Iranians Aryanism

East Iranians in Andronovo culture fucked with Mongols, happened around West Mongolia / East Central Asia, this resulted in the birth of Turkic people, hence why some of them barely look East Asian, while others do.

Azeris that see themselves as Turks are people with lost identities, but most consider themselves Persian.

[gültekin]

East Iranians in Andronovo culture fucked with Mongols, happened around West Mongolia / East Central Asia, this resulted in the birth of Turkic people, hence why some of them barely look East Asian, while others do.

Azeris that see themselves as Turks are people with lost identities, but most consider themselves Persian.
cool story bro, but this topic is about current Iran, not Turkics

[gültekin]

FTDNA Y-DNA results about the ethnic groups of Iran:
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/4935-FTDNA-Iranian-Y-DNA-Project/page3
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iranian%20Y-DNA/default.aspx?section=yresults
Assyrian
F3-P96
G1*-M342
G2a-P15
J1*-M267
T1-M320

Azeri
G*-M201
R2a-M124
R2a-M124

Arab
G-M201
G1*-M342
J1-M267
R1a1-M17

Judeo-Persian
R2a-M124

Luri
E1b1b1-M35
J2a4b-M67

Parsi/Tati (Transcaucasian Persian)
E1b1b1c1-M34

Persian
G-M201
G1a-P20
J2-M172 (x2)
J2a4a-M47
J2a4b-M67
J2a4d-M319
Q*-M242

Qajar
J1*-M267

Seyyed
J1c3d-L147

Tajik
R2*-M479

Talysh
G2a3b1-P303

[Bizhan]

this "geneticist" must be some kind of closeted pan-turkist, persians and kurds have the highest levels of ANE among west asian groups!

[Kamal900]

so, do you say that some superman chinchongs from Japan jumped over asia and Turkified a population of %90 ? cool, anyway it is of topic and has nothing to do with Iranians Aryanism

Azeris are even better:

"The origin of the Turkic-speaking population of the north-western provinces of Iran, the so-called Azaris, is the subject of long-year debate. Here, we present preliminary results on testing of several hypotheses concerning their origin: 1) the Azaris are the descendants of the Turkic ethnic groups migrated from Central Asia; 2) they have an autochthonous origins; 3) they are of Iranian origin; and 4) they have mixed ethnic origin with unknown proportions of source populations' contribution. The results show that Azaris have much weaker genetic affinity with the populations from Central Asia and the Caucasus than with their immediate geographic neighbours. Relying on these outcomes one can suggest that language replacement (change) with regard to Azaris occurred through 'elite dominance' mechanism rather than 'demic diffusion' model."
Levon Yepiskoposian, Shot Margarian, Laris Andonian, and Vahid Rashidvash. "The Location of Azaris on the Patrilineal Genetic Landscape of the Middle East (A Preliminary Report)." Iran and the Caucasus 15:1-2 (2011): pages 73-78 (http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com/content/journals/10.1163/157338411x12870596615395)

"A previous analysis of mtDNA variation in the Caucasus found that Indo-European-speaking Armenians and Turkic-speaking Azerbaijanians were more closely related genetically to other Caucasus populations (who speak Caucasian languages) than to other Indo-European or Turkic groups, respectively. Armenian and Azerbaijanian therefore represent language replacements, possibly via elite dominance involving primarily male migrants, in which case genetic relationships of Armenians and Azerbaijanians based on the Y-chromosome should more closely reflect their linguistic relationships. We therefore analyzed 11 bi-allelic Y-chromosome markers in 389 males from eight populations, representing all major linguistic groups in the Caucasus. As with the mtDNA study, based on the Y-chromosome Armenians and Azerbaijanians are more closely-related genetically to their geographic neighbors in the Caucasus than to their linguistic neighbors elsewhere. However, whereas the mtDNA results show that Caucasian groups are more closely related genetically to European than to Near Eastern groups, by contrast the Y-chromosome shows a closer genetic relationship with the Near East than with Europe."
Ivan Nasidze, Tamara Sarkisian, Azer Kerimov, and Mark Stoneking. "Testing hypotheses of language replacement in the Caucasus: evidence from the Y-chromosome." Human Genetics 112 (2003): pages 255-261

"The data on the genetic studies of Iranian-speaking populations from Azerbaijan (Talyshs and Tats) are presented. In these populations gene frequency distributions for the immunological (AB0, MN, Rhesus-D, -C, -E, P, Lewis, and Kell-Chellano) and biochemical (HP, GC, Cprime3, TF, 6PGD, GLO1, ESD, ACP1, and PGM1) gene markers were determined. Comparison of the genetic structure of the populations examined with the other Iranian-speaking populations (Persians and Kurds from Iran, Ossetins, and Tajiks) and Azerbaijanis showed that Iranian-speaking populations from Azerbaijan were more close to Azerbaijanis, than to Iranian-speaking populations inhabiting other world regions."
P. Sh. Asadova, Yu. V. Shneider, I. N. Shilnikova, and O. V. Zhukova. "Genetic Structure of Iranian-Speaking Populations from Azerbaijan Inferred from the Frequencies of Immunological and Biochemical Gene Markers." Russian Journal of Genetics 39:11 (November 2003): pages 1334-1342. (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FB%3ARUGE.0000004149.62114.92?LI=true)

"The Azari people likely derive from ancient Iranic tribes, such as the Medians in Iranian Azerbaijan. [...] Today, the Azari language is completely replaced by Turkish or Azeri language. The question remains whether this language replacement happened with Turkish people gene flow or it happened simply as a result of acculturation without gene flow." The study presents the Azeris' Y-DNA data in Figure 1, "Frequencies of the main Y-chromosome haplogroups in the whole Iranian population (inset pie)", where it is shown that G-M201, J2-M410, Q-M242, R1-M269, R1-M198, and T-M70, are some of the haplogroups encountered among the Azeris of Iran. The exact percentages of their presence are listed on "Table 1. Haplogroup frequencies (%) in the examined Iranian groups." (www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0041252.t001/largerimage)
"Ancient Migratory Events in the Middle East: New Clues from the Y-Chromosome Variation of Modern Iranians." PLoS ONE 7(7) (July 18, 2012). (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0041252)

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607989399065135878&pid=1.7

[Pennywise]

Modern Iran has nothing to do with old so-called Aryans. This is not a secret, no one deny that except bunch of nationalists.

[Pahli]

Modern Iran has nothing to do with old so-called Aryans. This is not a secret, no one deny that except bunch of nationalists.

Everyone knows the truth except you pan-Turdanist with your fake theories

[Pennywise]

Everyone knows the truth except you pan-Turdanist with your fake theories

lol. get lost you kurdish troll.

[Pahli]

lol. get lost kurdish troll.

Why should I get lost, while I'm retaining a fairly high maturity in this thread, you and your turdanist brothers are constantly spilling bullshit in this and other threads, please gtfo and stop being an idiot.

[Bizhan]

Modern Iran has nothing to do with old so-called Aryans. This is not a secret, no one deny that except bunch of nationalists.

iranians are more aryan than you are turco-mongol u deluded turkified armenian

[Pennywise]

iranians are more aryan than you are turco-mongol u deluded turkified armenian


Modern Iran has nothing to do with old so-called Aryans. This is not a secret, no one deny that except bunch of nationalists.

I was talking about this inbred idiots.

[Pahli]

iranians are more aryan than you are turco-mongol u deluded turkified armenian

Many of these retards are lost cause Azeris with identity crisis, trying to feel as Turkic / Turkish as possible by flaming Iranians

[gültekin]

wak wak wak
this updated stuff must be made by some kind of aryanist anti-turk "geneticist"
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iranian%20Y-DNA/default.aspx?section=yresults
Y-DNA of Azeris vs. Persians in Iran ^^
so if the Azeris not Turkic, then who has Turkified them and where are they disappeared ? is it possible that a significant population can assimilate a majority and pls tell me with which methods?
and where the fuck they have gone,? back to the Krypton? xD

http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/Ghaznavid_empire_map.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-G5oBnFgWRLo/USYELV4qqUI/AAAAAAAAmzM/UTo45DtUyXw/s1600/ads%C4%B1z.PNG

http://img.webme.com/pic/t/turktarihsitesi/harzemsahlarharita.gif

http://archive.artsmia.org/art-of-asia/history/images/maps/mongol-empire-large.gif

http://matrix.msu.edu/hst/guide/history140r/unit10/mod/imgs/tamerlane-empire.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/The_maximum_extent_of_the_Safavid_Empire_under_Sha h_Abbas_I.png

[Pahli]

I was talking about this inbred idiots.

Read some books you uneducated peasant

[Pennywise]

this updated stuff must be made by some kind of aryanist anti-turk "geneticist"
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iranian%20Y-DNA/default.aspx?section=yresults
Y-DNA of Azeris vs. Persians in Iran ^^
so if the Azeris not Turkic, then who has Turkified them and where are they disappeared ? is that possible that a significant population can assimilate a majority and pls tell me with which methods?
where the fuck they have gone,? back to the Krypton xD


Almost all "sources" of that retard about Azeris are belong to Armenian sources mate. This idiot bringing these shits as reliable sources. :picard1:

[gültekin]

Many of these retards are lost cause Azeris with identity crisis, trying to feel as Turkic / Turkish as possible by flaming Iranians
talks a retard Kıro who thinks he is Aryan xD

[gültekin]

Almost all "sources" of that retard about Azeris are belong to Armenian sources mate. This idiot bringing these shits as reliable sources. :picard1:
i know xD and is laughable . they saying that some Japanese + Tungustics has jumped over asia and turkified anyone who came them to across xD hilarious
http://i.imgur.com/XeN5qPr.gif

[Bizhan]

talks a retard Kıro who thinks he is Aryan xD

azeris are aryan too but they got fucking stockholm syndrome russians and pan-turkists have divorced them from their true identity

"I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many people
The king of this expansive land,
The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid,
Persian, the son of a Persian,
from the Aryan race."

[gültekin]

azeris are aryan too but they got fucking stockholm syndrome russians and pan-turkists have divorced them from their true identity

"I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many people
The king of this expansive land,
The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid,
Persian, the son of a Persian,
from the Aryan race."
Azeris of course are not Aryan that is not the case.
about the Persians, sorry they are not ,just a myth
Dr. Ashrafian continues as follows:
"Our research shows that all Iranian tribes are genetically related to the people who lived in south-west of Iran since 10.000 years

[Danishmend]

Gültekin ne kadar kürt arap iranlı var başımıza musallat ettin bu forumda yemin ederim. Siktir et diyorum sana şunları. Amına koduğumun forumunda her gün arap-kürt-iranlı orospu çocuklarıyla uğraşmak zorunda mıyız? 1 ay ban istedim şu boktan tartışmalardan uzak kalmak için, gelir gelmez sayfada ilk gördüğüm şey yine bu orospu çocuklarının doluşup Türklere saldırdığı bir topic. Zaten girmek hataydı anasını sikeyim. :bored:


Lol, your the one to talk. Turks are nothing but Turkified native Anatolians with minor Turkic admixture, and genetically, Turks cluster very close to the people they hate than their so called Turkic bretheren in central and north asia.
Turks have more Turkic-Oghuz ancestry than Iranians have Indo-European ancestry. Do you know what is ironic? Both Anatolian and Azerbaijani Turks have more Yamnaya-related ancestry than IE-speaking Kurds and Iranians have according to Davidski's k6 spreadsheet. The so-called Yamnaya like admixture in Azerbaijani and Anatolian Turks indicates Turkic Central Asian ancestry, as central Asian Turks have high levels of it. So shut your camelpiss-smelling mouth.

By the way, did a Turk fuck your mother or something? Seriosly why are so fucking obsessed with Turks. It's been a month since i left the forum, the first topic i see when i login today is full of your copy-paste posts about Turks. Why can't you stop bitching about Turks you annoying fat son of a bitch? Why? Are you sick or something?

[Danishmend]

Self hating arab son of a whore. He uses the Sumerian epic "Gilgamesh" as his username because he is so fucking ashamed to be an arab.

[Kamal900]

this updated stuff must be made by some kind of aryanist anti-turk "geneticist"
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iranian%20Y-DNA/default.aspx?section=yresults
Y-DNA of Azeris vs. Persians in Iran ^^
so if the Azeris not Turkic, then who has Turkified them and where are they disappeared ? is it possible that a significant population can assimilate a majority and pls tell me with which methods?
and where the fuck they have gone,? back to the Krypton? xD

http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/Ghaznavid_empire_map.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-G5oBnFgWRLo/USYELV4qqUI/AAAAAAAAmzM/UTo45DtUyXw/s1600/ads%C4%B1z.PNG

http://img.webme.com/pic/t/turktarihsitesi/harzemsahlarharita.gif

http://archive.artsmia.org/art-of-asia/history/images/maps/mongol-empire-large.gif

http://matrix.msu.edu/hst/guide/history140r/unit10/mod/imgs/tamerlane-empire.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/The_maximum_extent_of_the_Safavid_Empire_under_Sha h_Abbas_I.png

If that was the case then most South and Central Americans would have been 100 percent genetically Iberian or west European rather than Mestizos and etc. Its called Cultural Assimilation, and the majority of the indigenous peoples would assimilate the culture and language of the ruling peoples by many factors. The Turkic migration to Anatolia and Azerbaijan was small, and most of the Turkic speaking peoples in Azerbaijan, Caucasus and Turkey are predominately genetically west Asia with some Turkic input esp in the paternal line. Not saying that Azeris shouldn't identify as Turkic since the Turkic admixture, despite small, still significant in their gene pool which is around 13 to 27 percent. Azeris aren't purely Iranic either, and the Talysh and the Iranian speaking peoples in Azerbaijan are genetically far closer to Azeris than to the Persians in Tehran and etc. They are more like a blend between many different peoples of the country since ancient times with Turkic identity.

[Danishmend]

Disgusting arab culture. No wonder these sons of twerking arab bitches are all self hating pigs. What kind of tradition is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkCCX558oSM

[Kamal900]

Self hating arab son of a whore. He uses the Sumerian epic "Gilgamesh" as his username because he is so fucking ashamed to be an arab.

Didnt i told you that i named myself Gilgamesh from an Anime character? The anime is called Fate/Stay Night. (http://www.animevice.com/gilgamesh/18-15815/) Never once i was ashamed of my Arab identity or heritage. You need to post quotes of myself showcasing myself in being self hating.

[Kamal900]

Disgusting arab culture. No wonder these sons of twerking arab bitches are all self hating pigs. What kind of tradition is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkCCX558oSM

Its funny how you think that all Arabs share the same heritage, genetics and culture. Being an Arab is just a pan-ethnic identity only, and anyone can be an Arab if they identify themselves as such based in linguistic, genealogy or etc.

[Kamal900]

Gültekin ne kadar kürt arap iranlı var başımıza musallat ettin bu forumda yemin ederim. Siktir et diyorum sana şunları. Amına koduğumun forumunda her gün arap-kürt-iranlı orospu çocuklarıyla uğraşmak zorunda mıyız? 1 ay ban istedim şu boktan tartışmalardan uzak kalmak için, gelir gelmez sayfada ilk gördüğüm şey yine bu orospu çocuklarının doluşup Türklere saldırdığı bir topic. Zaten girmek hataydı anasını sikeyim. :bored:


Turks have more Turkic-Oghuz ancestry than Iranians have Indo-European ancestry. Do you know what is ironic? Both Anatolian and Azerbaijani Turks have more Yamnaya-related ancestry than IE-speaking Kurds and Iranians have according to Davidski's k6 spreadsheet. The so-called Yamnaya like admixture in Azerbaijani and Anatolian Turks indicates Turkic Central Asian ancestry, as central Asian Turks have high levels of it. So shut your camelpiss-smelling mouth.

By the way, did a Turk fuck your mother or something? Seriosly why are so fucking obsessed with Turks. It's been a month since i left the forum, the first topic i see when i login today is full of your copy-paste posts about Turks. Why can't you stop bitching about Turks you annoying fat son of a bitch? Why? Are you sick or something?

I didn't just spoke about Turks since your great departure writing about some Albanian member. Why don't you debate in a civilized manner rather than speaking in such a crude language? That's what most Afrocentric lunatics say about me on Youtube whenever i say against their beliefs and ideologies on the idea that the ancient Egyptians, Canaanites, Carthaginians, Greeks and etc were blacks.

[Danishmend]

Didnt i told you that i named myself Gilgamesh from an Anime character? The anime is called Fate/Stay Night. (http://www.animevice.com/gilgamesh/18-15815/) Never once i was ashamed of my Arab identity or heritage. You need to post quotes of myself showcasing myself in being self hating.

Son of a twerking arab bitch please, you are not fooling anyone. All arab members on this forum are self haters. Naba naba for example is a well known liar, he is not Circassian (I can quote his posts on other forums, where he claimed to be Crimean Tatar, Balkar and God knows what else) but he feels the need to lie about his ancestry. You and Nebuchadnazzer on the other hand are well known Sumerian wannabes. Pathetic.

[Danishmend]

Its funny how you think that all Arabs share the same heritage, genetics and culture. Being an Arab is just a pan-ethnic identity only, and anyone can be an Arab if they identify themselves as such based in linguistic, genealogy or etc.

I bet your mother does the same in your home. Is this some kind of "Sumerian" tradition?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkCCX558oSM

[Kamal900]

Son of a twerking arab bitch please, you are not fooling anyone. All arab members on this forum are self haters. Naba naba for example is a well known liar, he is not Circassian (I can quote his posts on other forums, where he claimed to be Crimean Tatar, Balkar and God knows what else) but he feels the need to lie about his ancestry. You and Nebuchadnazzer on the other hand are well known Sumerian wannabes. Pathetic.

He said that he has some tatar ancestry in his paternal side, and he has showed his genetic results in having some east-Asian admixture in his gene pool. Nabatea was an ancient civilization in what is now Transjordan founded by northern Arabian tribes, and Herdous the great even claimed to be an Arab in his maternal side. Gilgamesh was a fictional figure in the epic poetry that was written down in Assyrian in the 11th century BC, but the epic originated in ancient Sumerian times 5000 years ago. I named myself as such because of an anime character, but at the same time, i do have fascination of the epic poetry from ancient Iraq. As i said, you need to back your accusations against me and him with evidence rather than your low brow rants.

[Kamal900]

I bet your mother does the same in your home. Is this some kind of "Sumerian" tradition?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkCCX558oSM

No, but i bet its more closer to your culture than to central asian Turkic peoples like kazakhs who are far more Turkic than your people.

[Kamal900]

Thanks God we don't have such shit in our culture, otherwise I would have killed myself. Anatolian Turks are more related to other Oghuz speakers such Azerbaijani Turks and Turkmens you son of a twerking arab bitch.
Turkic peoples are not homogeneus, never were. It is like the differences between IE speaking Europeans (Germanics, Hellenic, Romance speakers etc). But of course you can't bitch about your european masters, fucking arab.

Genetically, Turks are more closer to "filthy" kurds and arabs than to Turkmen, and the Azeris are genetically far closer to Persians, Kurds and other west asians than to Kazakhs, Uzbeks and etc.

[Danishmend]

Because you have a mental disorder you retard, majority of you retard Turks always flame people when they don't agree with your stupid theories. Keep blaming others for trolling when your posts are worth nothing more than garbage.

Sons of whores, omg I think I have to cry ... But hey, the standards for Turks: Cannot debate in civilized matter and starts to flame people, their families, their nationality / ethnicity and in general spills out shit that is to no good use.

As I said above, this is the language I use while debating with obsessed kurdish and arab animals on this forum. 4/5 of your posts are about Turks for example, and you think I have a "mental disorder". You can't stop bitching about Turks even in chatbox you fucking imbecile. I didn't even mention arabs or kurds in a single post of mine until you and the other kıro started spamming Turkish subforum. To hell with "civilized manner", this is the only language you disgusting kurdo-arab animals understand.

[Pahli]

Genetically, Turks are more closer to "filthy" kurds and arabs than to Turkmen, and the Azeris are genetically far closer to Persians, Kurds and other west asians than to Kazakhs, Uzbeks and etc.

Don't know whats the worst, the prophet Mohammed and his retarded companions or these people. They don't know what they're talking about, just give up on them.

They attack you if you just mention Turks, whether it is good or bad stuff.

[Pahli]

As I said above, this is the language I use while debating with obsessed kurdish and arab animals on this forum. 4/5 of your posts are about Turks for example, and you think I have a "mental disorder". You can't stop bitching about Turks even in chatbox you fucking imbecile. I didn't even mention arabs or kurds in a single post of mine until you and the other kıro started spamming Turkish subforum. To hell with "civilized manner", this is the only language you disgusting kurdo-arab animals understand.

Kindergarten called, they want their kid that ran away back.

[Kamal900]

Why would anyone do that for an obvious spammer, copy-paster, provocator troll? You're repeating same shits like a fucking parrot since I join this forum. Many times people argued with you in a good manner (include me) but they're undestood that was a mistake. Nothing changed your behaviours, you are here for trolling. Stop playing emo fat-ass.

Really now! All i have been saying that the scythians, parthians and other iranian people arent Turkic, and then danishmed started using racial slurs at me in Kipchack's thread. I provided genetic studies on Ossetians, Pashtuns and etc that they're arent Turkic and etc, and the turkish members here keep thumbing my posts down. Oh, and dont forget that Azeri who started using crude language against me for saying that Azeris aren't 100 percent Turkic. Stop trying to act like the victims here. Danishmed has a fork tongue in his mouth if someone say otherwise on his assumption that the scythians, parthians and etc were Turkic, and that the Azeris and Turks dont cluster with their neighbors.

[Pahli]

Really now! All i have been saying that the scythians, parthians and other iranian people arent Turkic, and then danishmed started using racial slurs at me in Kipchack's thread. I provided genetic studies on Ossetians, Pashtuns and etc that they're arent Turkic and etc, and the turkish members here keep thumbing my posts down. Oh, and dont forget that Azeri who started using crude language against me for saying that Azeris aren't 100 percent Turkic. Stop trying to act like the victims here. Danishmed has a fork tongue in his mouth if someone say otherwise on his assumption that the scythians, parthians and etc were Turkic, and that the Azeris and Turks dont cluster with their neighbors.

Without Danishman, Lololuzgu, Gültekin aka. Persian Azeri in denial and Anatolian Stallion, this forum would be much better.

[Danishmend]

Genetically, Turks are more closer to "filthy" kurds and arabs than to Turkmen, and the Azeris are genetically far closer to Persians, Kurds and other west asians than to Kazakhs, Uzbeks and etc.

Stop talking out of your ass you annoying fat pig. Turks are closer to Turkmens than to any "Arab" population. After Azerbaijani Turks, the closest populations to Anatolian Turks are North Caucasians and Iranians, not arab animals.




This is k8 results of Turkish member Ice for example (ANE=Ancient North Eurasian, WHG=Western Hunter Gatherer)

ANE 0.176056
South_Eurasian 0.04013
Near_Eastern 0.652199
East_Eurasian 0.053969
WHG 0.066005
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.006514
Sub-Saharan 0.005116

Least square method = 100(Xn-Xr)^2

Using 1 population approximation:

1 Turkish 2,895690182
2 Azeri 4,238616015
3 Ossetian 6,972049744
4 North_Ossetian 8,519939957
5 Iranian 8,587589131
6 Adygei 8,625848781
7 Balkar 8,634927489
8 Kabardin 9,236284934
9 Kurdish 9,352118593
10 Abkhasian 9,648143729
11 Kumyk 9,700347764
12Chechen 12,00672091
13 Georgian_Laz 12,56593168
14 Georgian_Imer 12,64420309
15 Lezgin 13,5701243
16 Armenian 14,1910807
17 Lebanese_Muslim 15,20326977
18 Georgian_Jewish 15,286697
19 Syrian 15,65916339
20 Tabassaran 15,70768006



And Eurogenes K8 dendrogram
http://i.hizliresim.com/rgzO71.png (http://hizliresim.com/rgzO71)

[Danishmend]

Danishmed has a fork tongue in his mouth if someone say otherwise on his assumption that the scythians, parthians and etc were Turkic, and that the Azeris and Turks dont cluster with their neighbors.
Show me a single post of mine where i claimed Parthians and Scythians are Turkic you piece of shit. I swear to God you are sick.

[Pennywise]

Really now! All i have been saying that the scythians, parthians and other iranian people arent Turkic, and then danishmed started using racial slurs at me in Kipchack's thread. I provided genetic studies on Ossetians, Pashtuns and etc that they're arent Turkic and etc, and the turkish members here keep thumbing my posts down. Oh, and dont forget that Azeri who started using crude language against me for saying that Azeris aren't 100 percent Turkic. Stop trying to act like the victims here. Danishmed has a fork tongue in his mouth if someone say otherwise on his assumption that the scythians, parthians and etc were Turkic, and that the Azeris and Turks dont cluster with their neighbors.

It has nothing to do with scythians, partians or kipcak's thread. I said since I joined here you do same things. Except few guy, non of the Turkish members are claim that they're Turkic. You're the one who playing victim here. You said Azeris are nothing but Turkified Persians and now saying "I just said Azeris are not pure Turkics :(" you hypocrat liar. You jumped in a thread that has nothing to do with you. You have a baised agenda against Turks here and you using it every opportunity you find. On the other hand, if you have a problem with danismend or another member, then deal with him personally. You're not doing this, you are messing with all Turkish members on this forum.

[Kamal900]

Stop talking out of your ass you annoying fat pig. Turks are closer to Turkmens than to any "Arab" population. After Azerbaijani Turks, the closest populations to Anatolian Turks are North Caucasians and Iranians, not twerking arabs.




This is k8 results of Turkish member Ice for example (ANE=Ancient North Eurasian, WHG=Western Hunter Gatherer)

ANE 0.176056
South_Eurasian 0.04013
Near_Eastern 0.652199
East_Eurasian 0.053969
WHG 0.066005
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.006514
Sub-Saharan 0.005116

Least square method = 100(Xn-Xr)^2

Using 1 population approximation:

1 Turkish 2,895690182
2 Azeri 4,238616015
3 Ossetian 6,972049744
4 North_Ossetian 8,519939957
5 Iranian 8,587589131
6 Adygei 8,625848781
7 Balkar 8,634927489
8 Kabardin 9,236284934
9 Kurdish 9,352118593
10 Abkhasian 9,648143729
11 Kumyk 9,700347764
12Chechen 12,00672091
13 Georgian_Laz 12,56593168
14 Georgian_Imer 12,64420309
15 Lezgin 13,5701243
16 Armenian 14,1910807
17 Lebanese_Muslim 15,20326977
18 Georgian_Jewish 15,286697
19 Syrian 15,65916339
20 Tabassaran 15,70768006



And Eurogenes K8 dendrogram
http://i.hizliresim.com/rgzO71.png (http://hizliresim.com/rgzO71)

I already have showed the studies about the Azeris to gultken, and they show that they are more dsitant to anatolian turks and cluster very closely with Kurds and Armenians. You need to show countless PCA charts and genetic studies say tha Turks and Azeris cluster more together rather than clinging to one spread sheet many times over.

[Kamal900]

It has nothing to with scythians, partians or kipcak's thread. I said since I joined here you do same things. Except few guy, non of the Turkish members are claim that they're Turkic. You're the one who playing victim here. You said Azeris are nothing but Turkified Perssans and now saying "I just said Azeris are not pure Turkics :(" you hypocrat liar. You jumped in a thread that has nothing to with you. You have a baised agenda against Turks here and you using it every opportunity you find. On the other, if you have problem with danismend or another member, deal with him personally. You're not doing this, you are messing with all Turkish members on this forum.

Yes, they are Turkified persians, but persians themselves arent pure, and i said that they are descended from other people that lived in Azerbaijan. The parthians, Scythians, and other iranic peoples were persianized in the late parthian and early sassinian periods, and the iranic ancestors of the Azeris were persianized. I was talking against Gutlkin or whatever because he greatly annoyed me in the past, but at the same time, i have nothing against Azeris since that my best friend is also an Azeri. I dont have anything against you, and your way better than that Turk who couldnt even debate without opening his sewer filled mouth.

I came to threads of Gutlkin talking shit by saying that Iranians are mostly natives while i retaliated in saying that Turks are also mostly native peoples as well.

[Pahli]

Show me a single post of mine where i claimed Parthians and Scythians are Turkic you piece of shit. I swear to God you are sick.

You're 22 but act like a 12 year old reaching puberty


It has nothing to with scythians, partians or kipcak's thread. I said since I joined here you do same things. Except few guy, non of the Turkish members are claim that they're Turkic. You're the one who playing victim here. You said Azeris are nothing but Turkified Perssans and now saying "I just said Azeris are not pure Turkics :(" you hypocrat liar. You jumped in a thread that has nothing to with you. You have a baised agenda against Turks here and you using it every opportunity you find. On the other, if you have problem with danismend or another member, deal with him personally. You're not doing this, you are messing with all Turkish members on this forum.

That is impossible. If you start with one Turk, the others jump on you like rats, thats your mentality, you keep getting involved in others businesses and start flaming and insulting. You get bitchy and start raging a lot when people start to prove your theories and facts wrong. Accept the fact that you aren't right all the time. But thats going to take a lifetime for you to realize.

[Kamal900]

You're 22 but act like a 12 year old reaching puberty



That is impossible. If you start with one Turk, the others jump on you like rats, thats your mentality, you keep getting involved in others businesses and start flaming and insulting. You get bitchy and start raging a lot when people start to prove your theories and facts wrong. Accept the fact that you aren't right all the time. But thats going to take a lifetime for you to realize.

You can see in his writing and mine on who is mental unstable. I never said one racial slur or insult at him, and yet he talks like some mad syrian at a cafe.

[Danishmend]

I already have showed the studies about the Azeris to gultken, and they show that they are more dsitant to anatolian turks and cluster very closely with Kurds and Armenians. You need to show countless PCA charts and genetic studies say tha Turks and Azeris cluster more together rather than clinging to one spread sheet many times over.

Eurogenes k8 is one of the latest and most accurate calculators you son of a twerking arab bitch. It's based on ancient dna samples such as mal'ta boy. Azeris and Turks appear close to each other on every Gedmatch calculator anyway. But of course I'm talking to an obsessed son of a bitch.

[Pahli]

You can see in his writing and mine on who is mental unstable. I never said one racial slur or insult at him, and yet he talks like some mad syrian at a cafe.

Why are you surprised, I wasn't expecting much better from these people. The difference is that the Arabs on this forums are much better than IRL from what I've seen ... Can't say the same about the Turks, same attitude here as they have IRL too (not all of them though, I know Turks with good attitude and behaviour)

I was surprised at first, but I figured the rest out later eventually.

[Pennywise]

Yes, they are Turkified persians, but persians themselves arent pure, and i said that they are descended from other people that lived in Azerbaijan. The parthians, Scythians, and other iranic peoples were persianized in the late parthian and early sassinian periods, and the iranic ancestors of the Azeris were persianized. I was talking against Gutlkin or whatever because he greatly annoyed me in the past, but at the same time, i have nothing against Azeris since that my best friend is also an Azeri. I dont have anything against you, and your way better than that Turk who couldnt even debate without opening his sewer filled mouth.

I came to threads of Gutlkin talking shit by saying that Iranians are mostly natives while i retaliated in saying that Turks are also mostly native peoples as well.

You are doing this against Turks everytime but I didn't saw you mentioning about other folks such as Europeans or etc. Even for once. You are obsessively talking shit about Turks. Stop using individuals as an excuse. Is this the reason of your tail pain? Are you trying to get pay back or someting?

[Pahli]

You are doing this against Turks everytime but I didn't saw you mentioning about other folks such as Europeans or etc. Even for once. You are obsessively talking shit about Turks. Stop using indiviuals as an excuse. Is this the reason of your tail pain? Are you trying to get pay back or someting?

You provoke, he answers back, what do you expect? The Europeans or other folks have much more respect (apart from some trolls) and can keep a nice debate flowing, something you've failed to do here.

[Danishmend]

You're 22 but act like a 12 year old reaching puberty

Says the obsessed piece of shit whose every second word is "Turk". You can't stop using that word even when stalking certain female members (you know what i'm talking about you fucking pervert). I enjoy insulting animals like you and Gilgamesh. This forum was a nice, entertaining place before interacting with kurdish and sumerian wannabe arab animals. I would post cartoons etc, nothing else. I should have ignored you, but you animals were too annoying to be ignored.

[Pahli]

Says the obsessed piece of shit whose every second word is "Turk". You can't stop using that word even when stalking certain female members (you know what i'm talking about you fucking pervert). I enjoy insulting animals like you and Gilgamesh. This forum was a nice, entertaining place before interacting with kurdish and sumerian wannabe arab animals. I would post cartoons etc, nothing else. I should have ignored you, but you animals were too annoying to be ignored.

So visiting people's profiles once or twice in total of 3 months is stalking? Wow okay :) I visit a lot of profiles, so I can't see the problem with having a look at people's profile, but thats too difficult for you to understand :)

Enjoy insulting people, are you sadistic or just suffering from ADHD / autism? Seek a doctor and control your anger, you're being so funny and pathetic in the same time.

[Kamal900]

Why are you surprised, I wasn't expecting much better from these people. The difference is that the Arabs on this forums are much better than IRL from what I've seen ... Can't say the same about the Turks, same attitude here as they have IRL too (not all of them though, I know Turks with good attitude and behaviour)

I was surprised at first, but I figured the rest out later eventually.

Like i said, i honestly don't really give a damn on what they say or believe, and of course, I'm against any pan-ideologies that seeks in marginalizing its minorities for their own selfish greed and power to destroy the other. I mean, we Palestinians identify first and foremost as Palestinians, then levantine and lastly Arab. People think that we need to associate with other people and the world to have a sense of belonging, but i always tell them that we Palestinians have each other only, and definitely we don't associate or try to belong with other Arabs and etc. People have been looking at my people with googly eyes because we appreciate the help from Iran and the Shias of lebanon(Hezbullah), and that we consider them to be more closer to us than the Arabs in Saudi Arabia and other countries in the MENA region. My family in Lebanon are living in southern district where most Lebanese shias live, and they don't have any problems with them at all, unlike the sunnis and the maronites of course. I don't really have much faith with other Arabs, and i do really give two flying fucks about them either. At least we have pride on who we are, and we don't try to beg other people wishing for belonging like these people where half of them claim that they are European, and the other half claim that they are Asian Turkic nomads who came to Anatolia butchering all of of the inhabitants and etc. If other Arabs and other peoples have a problem in me or my people have relationship with Kurds, Persians or anyone that they dislike then they can go fuck themselves for all i care. Unlike them, i have the mind to change for the better or for the worst, and that's what separates humans from animals, and that's why i became an atheist in the first place.

[Kamal900]

Eurogenes k8 is one of the latest and most accurate calculators you son of a twerking arab bitch. It's based on ancient dna samples such as mal'ta boy. Azeris and Turks appear close to each other on every Gedmatch calculator anyway. But of course I'm talking to an obsessed son of a bitch.

Accurate huh? Whats the sample size? and where did they get those samples. I told you to post genetic studies and charts about the matter, and all you have done is insulting me. Im waiting for you to post papers on it.

[Pahli]

Like i said, i honestly don't really give a damn on what they say or believe, and of course, I'm against any pan-ideologies that seeks in marginalizing its minorities for their own selfish greed and power to destroy the other. I mean, we Palestinians identify first and foremost as Palestinians, then levantine and lastly Arab. People think that we need to associate with other people and the world to have a sense of belonging, but i always tell them that we Palestinians have each other only, and definitely we don't associate or try to belong with other Arabs and etc. People have been looking at my people with googly eyes because we appreciate the help from Iran and the Shias of lebanon(Hezbullah), and that we consider them to be more closer to us than the Arabs in Saudi Arabia and other countries in the MENA region. My family in Lebanon are living in southern district where most Lebanese shias live, and they don't have any problems with them at all, unlike the sunnis and the maronites of course. I don't really have much faith with other Arabs, and i do really give two flying fucks about them either. At least we have pride on who we are, and we don't try to beg other people wishing for belonging like these people where half of them claim that they are European, and the other half claim that they are Asian Turkic nomads who came to Anatolia butchering all of of the inhabitants and etc. If other Arabs and other peoples have a problem in me or my people have relationship with Kurds, Persians or anyone that they dislike then they can go fuck themselves for all i care. Unlike them, i have the mind to change for the better or for the worst, and that's what separates humans from animals, and that's why i became an atheist in the first place.

Thing is I've not met any atheist Arabs before IRL. I can see big difference in atheist Arabs and religious Arabs. Couldn't say the same for Turks unfortunately, even though I've met some good people, I know how to judge people. Fact is just that these religious Arabs and Grey Wolf Kemalist Turks are full of hatred and racism.

[Linet]

Is not nice calling the others to be something they are not http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/no/t26146.gif....Gultekin is not Azeri but a loveable http://flagsforworship.co.uk/jo-pic/images/slidertet.gif old fashion 100% Turkish semi-troll http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/fantasy/fantasy-barbarian-20.gif....but in any case 100% Turkish :fhhorse:....

[gültekin]

Like i said, i honestly don't really give a damn on what they say or believe, .
Don't lie pls, you became offensive for iranians, and you have already mention that


I came to threads of Gutlkin talking shit by saying that Iranians are mostly natives while i retaliated in saying that Turks are also mostly native peoples as well.
so you think this study as Shit ,because it's not benefit to your hysteria? Truly, you are about as interesting as watching a slug move slowly across the floor.

[Pahli]

Is not nice calling the others to be something they are not http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/no/t26146.gif....Gultekin is not Azeri but a loveable http://flagsforworship.co.uk/jo-pic/images/slidertet.gif old fashion 100% Turkish semi-troll http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/fantasy/fantasy-barbarian-20.gif....but in any case 100% Turkish :fhhorse:....

They would have been permabanned atleast 50 times by now if the mods would ban them, would make the forum a nicer place to be in :)

[Kamal900]

Thing is I've not met any atheist Arabs before IRL. I can see big difference in atheist Arabs and religious Arabs. Couldn't say the same for Turks unfortunately, even though I've met some good people, I know how to judge people. Fact is just that these religious Arabs and Grey Wolf Kemalist Turks are full of hatred and racism.

Yeah, but you need to make differentiating between religious and the racist arabs that have oppressed may non-Arabs. Omanis for example are religiously conservative, and they are neither shias or sunnis. But look closely at their faces, and the faces of the non-Arab populace in the country, and you can see great difference between Oman and Turkey. I was born and raised in Oman for ten years, and i have been living happily in the nation without fear of discrimination and etc. The hindus in the nation have their own temples, their own schools teaching in their own languages(Malayali, Tamil and Hindi), their own movies and tv shows, and etc, and yet, Turkey couldn't even allow Kurds to have their own schools even teaching their children in Kurdish. Syria for example is a secular nation, and Baathism is based on Arab national socialism, and I'm pretty sure you know how it ended up for your people and for other minorities in Syria. Lebanon is a secular country, but it isn't ruled in any forms of nationalism whatsoever(maybe religious nationalism but not ethnic or racial).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIIhsr3dWHQ

[gültekin]

Is not nice calling the others to be something they are not http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/no/t26146.gif....Gultekin is not Azeri but a loveable http://flagsforworship.co.uk/jo-pic/images/slidertet.gif old fashion 100% Turkish semi-troll http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/fantasy/fantasy-barbarian-20.gif....but in any case 100% Turkish :fhhorse:....
ah you ratting me out:D what would i do if i didn't such a charming neighbor :fplug: :blume:

[Danishmend]

Accurate huh? Whats the sample size? and where did they get those samples.
You must be a joke. I'm talking about Reich's recent Yamnaya study and davidski's eurogenes k8. You spend your life here on this forum yet you have no idea about one of the greatest studies about Yamnaya-culture.



I told you to post genetic studies and charts about the matter, and all you have done is insulting me. Im waiting for you to post papers on it.
You are just a sick person who makes up things that never happened. Do you suffer from schizophrenia? Here is the link.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.tr/2014/12/ane-is-primary-cause-of-west-to-east.html

[Linet]

They would have been permabanned atleast 50 times by now if the mods would ban them, would make the forum a nicer place to be in :)

No,...dont lie http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/no/t26155.gif...we both know that deep inside you :love0020:, you want them here http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/dont-go-smiley.gif.....with who would you argue ? Who would you have to fight with :icon_fight:? Life without them would be boring....http://s19.postimg.org/cnku3i4in/bored_smiley.gif

[Pahli]

No,...dont lie http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/no/t26155.gif...we both know that deep inside you :love0020:, you want them here http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/dont-go-smiley.gif.....with who would you argue ? Who would you have to fight with :icon_fight:? Life without them would be boring....http://s19.postimg.org/cnku3i4in/bored_smiley.gif

Who the hell cares about fighting. We're not kids or autistic. Mods should do their jobs instead of making up these fairy tales like these xD

[Kamal900]

Don't lie pls, you became offensive for iranians, and you have already mention that

so you think this study as Shit ,because it's not benefit to your hysteria? Truly, you are about as interesting as watching a slug move slowly across the floor.

Yes, you are talking shit in hypocrisy. Turkish people are also mostly west asians genetically, and thats why they cluster with Kurds, Armenians, Caucasians than to Turkmen, Kazaksh and etc.

[Danishmend]

No,...dont lie http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/no/t26155.gif...we both know that deep inside you :love0020:, you want them here http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/dont-go-smiley.gif.....with who would you argue ? Who would you have to fight with :icon_fight:? Life without them would be boring....http://s19.postimg.org/cnku3i4in/bored_smiley.gif

Well, he has certain female members to stalk. :laugh:

[Linet]

ah you ratting me out:D what would i do if i didn't such a charming neighbor :fplug: :blume:

The rat of your neighbourhood :spy: is thanking you for your good words http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/pozitive/m1275.gif

[Linet]

Well, he has certain female members to stalk. :laugh:

Who is stalking femalme members? :1099:
...He should give me some stalk advices http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/crazy-monkey/crazy-monkey-emoticon-059.gif?1292792394, lately i feel like i am losing my touch :curtain:

[Kamal900]

You must be a joke. I'm talking about Reich's recent Yamnaya study and davidski's eurogenes k8. You spend your life here on this forum yet you have no idea about one of the greatest studies about Yamnaya-culture.


You are just a sick person who makes up things that never happened. Do you suffer from schizophrenia? Here is the link.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.tr/2014/12/ane-is-primary-cause-of-west-to-east.html

I need the sample size please. Because there are plenty of Azeri Turks living in eastern Turkey. The Palestinians and the Jordanians cluster close together is because the sample they got from Jordan are from the Palestinian Jordanians in the levantine part of the country. Regions don't share the same exact genetic cluster, and there are plenty of charts showing Turks clustering very close to Circassians, Georgians and other west Asians.

[Danishmend]

Who is stalking femalme members? :1099:
...He should give me some stalk advices http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/crazy-monkey/crazy-monkey-emoticon-059.gif?1292792394, lately i feel like i am losing my touch :curtain:

Zoran, aka iranian jesus. He is trying to be funny just to impress "her". He knows who I'm talking about. He may be an idiot, but he is not that idiot. :laugh:

[Pahli]

Zoran, aka iranian jesus. He is trying to be funny just to impress "her". He knows who I'm talking about. He may be an idiot, but he is not that idiot. :laugh:

Oh no I'm stalking by looking at the profile for 5 - 10 seconds, omg I must be a stalker now. Danishmend is so great at catching people at stalking, it is a surprise that he hasn't caught himself doing it ...

[Danishmend]

I need the sample size please. Because there are plenty of Azeri Turks living in eastern Turkey. The Palestinians and the Jordanians cluster close together is because the sample they got from Jordan are from the Palestinian Jordanians in the levantine part of the country. Regions don't share the same exact genetic cluster

Here is the spreadsheet, you can see the sample size if you are not blind. All of the Turkish samples in this spreadsheet are from Cappadocia, Central Anatolia.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit?pli=1#gid=74932529


[QUOTE=Gilgamesh900;3484371]
and there are plenty of charts showing Turks clustering very close to Circassians, Georgians and other west Asians.
Because Azerbaijani Turks weren't included in that charts and plots, Turks are closer to Azerbaijanis than to Circassians for example. Azeris are "Turkified Persians" only on anthroforums. In real life they are genetically a mix between Oghuz Turks and natives of what is now Azerbaijan, who were definitely not "Persians".

[Kamal900]

Here is the spreadsheet, you can see the sample size if you are not blind. All of the Turkish samples in this spreadsheet are from Cappadocia, Central Anatolia.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit?pli=1#gid=74932529

Central Anatolia? I heard that the Turkic admixture from there is the highest in the nation in comparison to other places. One place alone isn't enough for accurate study. Here's a full study on the Turkish people that was published in 2012, and the samples are more fair than the spreed sheet:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-1809.2011.00701.x/full

[Danishmend]

Central Anatolia? I heard that the Turkic admixture from there is the highest in the nation in comparison to other places.
False. Central Asian admixture increases as you go west. Turkish_Aydın (Aegean region) samples have the highest amount of Central Asian admixture for example. Don't believe everything you read on anthroforums, western Turks are just assimilated greeks according to most anthrotards (you are one of them) but in real life things are different. Western Anatolia is the epitome of Turkic admixture, as most of its population are ex-Yörüks.



One place alone isn't enough for accurate study. Here's a full study on the Turkish people that was published in 2012, and the samples are more fair than the spreed sheet:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-1809.2011.00701.x/full

The samples used in that study are the same Behar/Cappadocian Turkish samples you imbecile. :laugh: If you use Kyrgyz as a proxy for Seljuk Turks when estimating the Turkic admixture in Anatolia, Anatolians Turks will appear as 15% Central Asian. Unfortunately for you, the Seljuk Turks were not Kyrgyz but Oghuz/Turkmen. Kyrgyz have 70% East Eurasian admixture while Turkmens of Turkmenistan have 15-20%. Go figure.

But you are an imbecile, you have probably no idea what i'm talking about. So i suggest you watch your Arab traditional dance instead of blabbering about things you have no idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkCCX558oSM

[Kamal900]

False. Central Asian admixture increases as you go west. Turkish_Aydın (Aegean region) samples have the highest amount of Central Asian admixture for example. Don't believe everything you read on anthroforums, western Turks are just assimilated greeks according to most anthrotards (you are one of them) but in real life things are different. Western Anatolia is the epitome of Turkic admixture, as most of its population are ex-Yörüks.




The samples used in that study are the same Behar/Cappadocian Turkish samples you imbecile. :laugh: If you use Kyrgyz as a proxy for Seljuk Turks when estimating the Turkic admixture in Anatolia, Anatolians Turks will appear as 15% Central Asian. Unfortunately for you, the Seljuk Turks were not Kyrgyz but Oghuz/Turkmen. Kyrgyz have 70% East Eurasian admixture while Turkmens of Turkmenistan have 15-20%. Go figure.

But you are an imbecile, you have probably no idea what i'm talking about. So i suggest you watch your Arab traditional dance instead of blabbering about things you have no idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkCCX558oSM

You see? You cant even debate without cursing me with your foul mouth. I never said bad anything to you in my post now have i? I told you that you need to post genetic studies and papers from many sources rather clinging to just one.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iYKtdl7HCQY/Tcl1NyLeNnI/AAAAAAAADsI/dYqMpnclWt4/s1600/1_2.png
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UCP5T1pduGU/TzpBa9QbK3I/AAAAAAAAEe4/_uWuqnnb1zQ/s1600/1_2.png
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7793/fairyprincesspca.png
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7303/images/nature09103-f2.2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TPBJmmJLScI/AAAAAAAAC7Y/RezgY2l49Vg/s1600/ADMIXTURE_10.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Turkey_Y_chromosome%28in_20_haplogroups%29.png/733px-Turkey_Y_chromosome%28in_20_haplogroups%29.png

As for me, i am enjoying watching neo-Nazis in Germany beating the shit out of the Turkish migrants in Berlin.

Here's another of Azeri genetic studies:

"The Iranian Azeris are the largest ethno-linguistic minority in Iran who live mainly in the north-west part of the country. Located in the crossroad of ancient human migrations the Iranian Azeris bear the complicated historical influence of the region in their gene pool. Despite the importance of Iranian Azeris in reconstructing the historical event of the Middle-East, their (genetic) origin still remains heavily disputed. In this study we tried to evaluate the rates of genetic contribution of possible source populations (namely, indigenous Iranian, Caucasian, and Central Asian) in the gene pool of modern Iranian Azeris through paternally inherited Y-chromosomal 6 STR markers. The assessment of genetic distances reveals that the Iranian Azeris are mixed population with substantial North Caucasian genetic contribution being genetically much closer to their immediate neighboring ethnic groups. Based on the results of admixture analysis we can conclude that there are significant Caucasian and no visible Central Asian contribution to the gene pool of modern Iranian Azeris."
Assessment of patrilineal gene pool of the Iranian Azeris. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25474899)

Their Haplogroups:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?695-Azeri-Y-Dna

Please Note: We are Iranians & People from Turkey are NOT Our Spokespeople. ​ (http://defence.pk/threads/iranian-azeris-azaris-who-we-are-please-visit-tabriz-iran.201560/)

[Danishmend]

As for me, i am enjoying watching neo-Nazis in Germany beating the shit out of the Turkish migrants in Berlin.
So you are a neonazi fan? Shouldn't be surprising at all
considering the fact that you are a stormfronter. :laugh: An arab neonazi fan, how nice. what's your username in stormfront? "whiteSumerian" or something?

The only thing neonazis can do is burn houses while families are sleeping. Don't worry about Turks in Germany they take care of themselves, be worried about millions of syrian arab refugees. Syrian refugee girls nowadays are even cheaper than water. Arab refugees are not only cowards, but also pimps who don't hesitate to sell their daughters. Sad but true.


"The Azeris.. Why are you not interested in black admixture in arabs for example? Let's talk about arabs. Where do you think your 10-15% black admixture come from?

[Alchemysta]

greek whores like good meat

[Kamal900]

So you are a neonazi fan? Shouldn't be surprising at all
considering the fact that you are stormfronter. :laugh: An arab neonazi fan, how nice. what's your username in stormfront? "whiteSumerian" or something?

The only thing neonazis can do is burn houses while families are sleeping. Don't worry about Turks in Germany, be worried about millions of syrian arab refugees. Syrian refugee girls nowadays are even cheaper than water. Arab refugees are not only cowards, but also pimps who don't hesitate to sell their daughters. Sad but true. Disgusting people.

Why are you not interested in black admixture in arabs for example? Let's talk about arabs. Where do you think your 10-15% black admixture come from?

So enjoying seeing your kind being kicked around by neo-Nazis implying your an OWDer? Did i hurt your little fweewing? awww. As i said countless my little mongolian brown skinned child, you need to back your accusations against me with evidence that i have an account there, and that i consider myself to be Sumerian. Your the guy who claims that Timur, Atila and etc as your kin, lol. Yes, and the SSA admixture in Palestinians is on average 8.76 percent based from the spread sheets longbowman sent me, and the SSA admixture mostly came from east and central Africa like Chad, Sudan and etc. And who are these Arab refugees are you talking about my dear little turk? Syrians? Iraqis? Need to remind you that the Turks in Germany and the Netherlands are the absolute worst immigrants?
http://www.thelocal.de/20090125/16987
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/immigration-survey-shows-alarming-lack-of-integration-in-germany-a-603588.html
http://www.ie-ei.eu/ie-ei/ressources/file/memoires/2011/rasuncionvillaverde.pdf

[Danishmend]

So enjoying seeing your kind being kicked around by neo-Nazis implying your an OWDer?
It's actually the other way around. That's why your neonazi masters on this forum are too butthurt about Turks. Turks take care of themselves. The same can't be said about sissy arabs refugees and immigrants.


As i said countless my little mongolian brown skinned child
LOL this is pure gold. A fat, pig looking arab calls me brown and uses the word "mongolian" as an insult. Whats next? Will you call me muzzie or something? :laugh:




, you need to back your accusations against me with evidence that i have an account there, and that i consider myself to be Sumerian. Your the guy who claims that Timur, Atila and etc as your kin, lol. Yes, and the SSA admixture in Palestinians is on average 8.76 percent based from the spread sheets longbowman sent me, and the SSA admixture mostly came from east and central Africa like Chad, Sudan and etc. And who are these Arab refugees are you talking about my dear little turk?
Does it matter? Turkey is full your disgusting kind thanks to Erdoğan's foreign policies.

It must be hard for a neonazi arab like you to have 10% SSA admixture. Is that why you try to distance yourself from other arabs and find a connection with Sumerians who were non-semitic?

By the way do you watch your mother while she is practicing this ancient "Sumerian" twerking ritual :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkCCX558oSM

[Kamal900]

It's actually the other way around. That's why your neonazi masters on this forum are too butthurt about Turks. Turks take care of themselves. The same can't be said about sissy arabs refugees and immigrants.


LOL this is pure gold. A fat, pig looking arab calls me brown and uses the word "mongolian" as an insult. Whats next? Will you call me muzzie or something? :laugh:



Does it matter? Turkey is full your disgusting kind thanks to Erdoğan's foreign policies. Not only Turkey, but also Europe.

It must be hard for a neonazi arab to have 10% SSA admixture. Is that why you try to distance yourself from other arabs and connect yourself to Sumerians?

By the way do you watch your mother while she is practicing this ancient Sumerian twerking ritual :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkCCX558oSM

Take care of themselves? So are the Kurds as well and yet the Germans have mostly beef against your kind and the Maghareb. I wonder why? Hmmm, so mysterious. Nah, thats how your ancestors were doing in the royal courts of Iran to please your persian overlords. Here's the remastered version of Vorador VS Malek scene from the game, Blood Omen:

Danishmed: "Vengeance. Vengeance for my eternity of suffering!"

Zarizan" "Whelp, as you knew what eternity was. GROVEL TO YOUR TRUE PERSIAN MASTERS!"

Danishmed: "Never! I’ll hack you from crotch to gizzard and feed what’s left of you to your brides . . ."

Zarizan turns into a Persian leopard..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Persian_Leopard_sitting.jpg/800px-Persian_Leopard_sitting.jpg

..and jumps at Danishmed..
http://static.naamapalmu.com/files/ex/medium/fimvpq3s.jpg

..and eats him
http://www.stevebloom.com/images/b/500653-BS1.jpg

Oh, believe me my little mongol, the Sumerians and the Semites are genetically far closer to one another than Turks to Kazakhs or Mongols. As i said, i take pride in being an Arab but i strongly identify first and foremost as a Palestinian. Nah, i also cheer for the Kyrgyzstani people in persecuting your people in their country, but treat the Armenians as their kindred. MUH TURANIC PRIDE!

Here's my list on how to piss of Turks:

Tell him the Turks killed 1.5 million Armos, hundred thousands of assyrians and greeks in 1915 until 1923 and 30,000 Kurds.
Tell him that Turks stole their cuisine from the Greeks.
Tell him that döner sucks.
Tell him that Atatürk was Jewish, Greek, Kurdish or Albanian.
Tell him that Southeastern Turkey will become a new state called Kurdistan.(Guaranteed to create an epic shitstorm by Turks from every political angle. After saying it, run like hell. Or you might get killed.)
Tell him that Constantinople, the Black Sea Region, and all of Cyprus belongs to Greece.
Tell them that Northeastern Turkey belongs to Armenia
Say anything positive about Greece at all.
Tell him that when fighting Kurds, the Turkish Army violates human rights worse than North Korea or Egypt.
Tell him that they are Europe's Niggers.
Ask him if they have fez and camels in their country and pray to Allah.
Tell him that Midnight Express was a fantastic movie that brings to light problems in the Turkish justice and penal system.
Tell him that your girlfriend went to Turkey one summer and got grossed out by all ogling, horny men and told this to her friends so that no white girl will ever come to Turkey again.
Tell him that you're sick of his lazy relatives taking all the jobs in Frankfurt a.M.
Tell him he's a thief and that his people should go back to fucking Central Asia.
Tell him his country is very friendly towards Israel.
Tell him Turkey is a second rate spear-carrier for the Great Satan.
Tell him that Turkey will never be considered seriously for EU membership, no matter what they do, as Turkey is in Asia anyway, not Europe.
Ask him how much he spent this month on gold chains and cologne.
Refer to all the times Greece defeated them.
Compare Turkish to Esperanto; make fun of its made-up Romanized alphabet.
Tell him that Cenk Uygur is the greatest Turk who ever lived.
Ask him what Reno and Rude have been up to lately.
Ask him repeatedly if you can buy some hash.
Tell him Turkey's national dog breed, the kangal (a very big dog which the Turks claim can kill a wolf, hyena or leopard single-handed,also cute as puppies), is in fact a Kurdish mongrel that stands no chance in a fight against an Armenian Gampr.
Tell him their latest song in the Eurovision song contest sucked
Tell a Turkish girl she's "Kezban" and call her with that name everywhere.
Ask them why they are unemployed.
Refer to them as Arabs and Turkey as Middle East.
Tell him that Atatürk was gay, this is guaranteed to make them butthurt and can even result in rage.
Tell him that Kurds are better.
Tell them that Turkey has only one Nobelprize winner (Orhan Pamuk) and that he doesnt deny the armenian genocide and the massacres against kurds
Quote Aziz Nesin, a Survivor of the Massacre of Sivas, Writer and Atheist, who said that Turks are to stupid or to cowardly for Democracy
Speak derogatory about turkish girls and women, especially in the presence of religios Muslim Turks
Tell them that the word Turk is an insult in many languages and that it was an insult for the Elite in The Ottoman Empire to be called as Turks
Mention the War Crimes of their Military during the Invasion and Occupation of Northern Cyprus, especially the Use of Naplam and the explusion of the Greek Cyperiots.
Tell them that Troja was discovered by a German.
Tell them that Turks were a long time Military Slaves of Arabs and Persians.
Tell them that the ancestors of the Turks of today came form Central Asia and that they were orginally primitive cattle breedings nomads, who were totally unrelated with ancient highly developed peoples like Sumerians, Hittites and Etruscans.

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/d90/b83/b63/resized/arab-meme-generator-welcome-to-arab-memes-52bbd7.jpg

[Danishmend]

Take care of themselves? So are the Kurds as well and yet the Germans have mostly beef against your kind and the Maghareb. I wonder why? Hmmm, so mysterious. Nah, thats how your ancestors were doing in the royal courts of Iran to please your persian overlords. Here's the remastered version of Vorador VS Malek scene from the game, Blood Omen:

Danishmed: "Vengeance. Vengeance for my eternity of suffering!"

Zarizan" "Whelp, as you knew what eternity was. GROVEL TO YOUR TRUE PERSIAN MASTERS!"

Danishmed: "Never! I’ll hack you from crotch to gizzard and feed what’s left of you to your brides . . ."

Zarizan turns into a Persian leopard..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Persian_Leopard_sitting.jpg/800px-Persian_Leopard_sitting.jpg

..and jumps at Danishmed..
http://static.naamapalmu.com/files/ex/medium/fimvpq3s.jpg

..and eats him
http://www.stevebloom.com/images/b/500653-BS1.jpg
LMAO very funny you killed me



Here's my list on how to piss off Turks

That's not your list you filthy liar, that's from "encylopedia dramatica". What an imbecile :laugh:

[Kamal900]

LMAO very funny you killed me



That's not your list you fucking liar, that's from "encylopedia dramatica". What an imbecile :laugh:

I know, but its still a funny list nonetheless. Hmm, yes, let your inner TOORK consume you.

[Danishmend]

I know, but its still a funny list nonetheless. Hmm, yes, let your inner TOORK consume you.
Have you tried to check "arabs" page? Encylopediadramatica is well known wiki based humor/troll website and i find some of its content pretty funny.

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index.php?title=Arabs&redirect=no

which redirects to https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Sand_niggers

[Kamal900]

Have you tried to check "arabs" page? That's well known wiki based humor/troll website i think some ofs content is pretty funny.

Yes, i did. I also checked Armenian, Kurds, Jews and etc, and yes, its funny. Anyways, pan-Turanism, like Afrocentrism or any other ethnocentric ideologies, is based on mythology and racism. Like MANY people have said, the Scythians, Parthians, and other nomadic Iranic peoples are NOT Turkic, and it was them who forged Turkic culture and heritage rather than the other way around. You want to be a mongol? go right ahead, but don't try to force other Turkic peoples in joining the Turan army of yours against Iran and etc. Most central Asian Turkic peoples dont give two craps about that nor do they wish to associate themselves to the middle east.

[Danishmend]

Yes, i did. I also checked Armenian, Kurds, Jews and etc, and yes, its funny. Anyways, pan-Turanism, like Afrocentrism or any other ethnocentric ideologies, is based on mythology and racism. Like MANY people have said, the Scythians, Parthians, and other nomadic Iranic peoples are NOT Turkic, and it was them who forged Turkic culture and heritage rather than the other way around. You want to be a mongol? go right ahead, but don't try to force other Turkic peoples in joining the Turan army of yours against Iran and etc. Most central Asian Turkic peoples dont give two craps about that nor do they wish to associate themselves to the middle east.
Now I'm even more convinced that you suffer from schizophrenia.

[zarzian]

To me turks and Armenians look so alike...

Not surprising since Armenians make up a substantial ancestry of Anatolian turks.

[Armenian Bishop]

Another troll thread! What else is new?
:smilie_stop:

[Raikaswinþs]

Lol, your the one to talk. Turks are nothing but Turkified native Anatolians with minor Turkic admixture, and genetically, Turks cluster very close to the people they hate than their so called Turkic bretheren in central and north asia.

Azerbajanis are Turkified Iranians

[Mostafa]

Aryan schmaryan. Lets all unite under Islam.

[gültekin]

Another troll thread! What else is new?
:smilie_stop:
BBC is troll ? lol

[Armenian Bishop]

BBC is troll ? lol

That's True, BBC articles have credibility, and this one too. I haven't examined it carefully. The hostile remarks, insults and flaming passion gave me the impression that it's a troll thread, but not because of the opening post.

[gültekin]

That's True, BBC articles have credibility, and this one too. I haven't examined it carefully. Because of the hostile remarks, insults and flaming passion, I judged it to be a troll thread, but not because of the opening post.
some people can handle such things and have started this campaign, created sockpuppets to provoke etc., sadly

[gültekin]

Iranian definitely have lot higher ANE than their Arab neighbors.
you guys falling anytime in this trap, Arabs are an ethnicity, but "Iranian" is not. in Iran living many different ethnic groups. for a more reliably determine the Persians should counted as reference, not the whole Iran
they have different types of Y-DNA

FTDNA Y-DNA results about the ethnic groups of Iran:
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/4935-FTDNA-Iranian-Y-DNA-Project/page3
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iranian%20Y-DNA/default.aspx?section=yresults
Assyrian
F3-P96
G1*-M342
G2a-P15
J1*-M267
T1-M320

Azeri
G*-M201
R2a-M124
R2a-M124

Arab
G-M201
G1*-M342
J1-M267
R1a1-M17

Judeo-Persian
R2a-M124

Luri
E1b1b1-M35
J2a4b-M67

Parsi/Tati (Transcaucasian Persian)
E1b1b1c1-M34

Persian
G-M201
G1a-P20
J2-M172 (x2)
J2a4a-M47
J2a4b-M67
J2a4d-M319
Q*-M242

Qajar
J1*-M267

Seyyed
J1c3d-L147

Tajik
R2*-M479

Talysh
G2a3b1-P303

[Aleida]

'I never said that': Dr Bonab Afsharian denied.

دکتر مازیار اشرفیان بناب از دانشگاه پورتموث انگلستان در مورد گزارش و مصاحبهای که تلویزیون بیبیسی فارسی چندی پیش در مورد نتایج تحقیقات او پخش کرده بود، توضیحات زیر را برای انتشار در اختیار ما گذاشته است. عنوان آن گزارش ویدیویی که در سایت فارسی هم منتشر شده بود، پس از دریافت توضیح زیر اصلاح شد.


اینجانب در مصاحبه خود با گزارشگر محترم بی بی سی فارسی به هیچ عنوان ادعا و عنوان نکرده ام که "اکثر ایرانیان نژاد آریائی ندارند" و این جمله که به اشتباه به عنوان تیتر گزارش انتخاب شده، کاملا با آنچه اینجانب مطرح کرده و باور دارم متفاوت است.
تحقیقات اخیر ژنتیکی اینجانب نشان می دهند که عموم اقوام و گروه های جمعیتی ایرانی که در ایران امروزی (و حتی فراتر از مرزهای سیاسی فعلی ایران) ساکن هستند، علیرغم اینکه دارای تفاوتهای جزئی فرهنگی هستند و حتی گاه به زبانهای مختلف هم تکلم می کنند، دارای ریشه ژنتیکی مشترکی هستند و این ریشه مشترک به جمعیتی اولیه که در حدود ده تا یازده هزار سال پیش در قسمتهای جنوب غربی فلات ایران ساکن بوده بر می گردد.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/science/2012/05/120515_l10_ashrafian_clarification.shtml

[gültekin]

'I never said that': Dr Bonab Afsharian denied.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/science/2012/05/120515_l10_ashrafian_clarification.shtml
no wonder after so much death threats to him , :) look at even your fellow citizens how hey act here :)

[gültekin]

oo you retard Farsi, you have killed me :rotfl:
http://s15.postimg.org/9dhxfiovf/yeni11.png

[gültekin]

'I never said that': Dr Bonab Afsharian denied.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/science/2012/05/120515_l10_ashrafian_clarification.shtml
no he did. for a proper answer, he says with his own words, watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=W7zqx0YUVBo#t=139
... We have done studies on 26 different Iranian groups. Although we speak an Indo-European language we are not genetically very close to Indo-European peoples. The Aryan genetic markers that exist in central Asia and the Caucasus are found very few in the Iranian Plateau. This shows that if there is any Aryan genetic markers in the Iranian DNA, it probably came from the Aryan tribes that entered Iran."

[Aleida]

no he did. for a proper answer, he says with his own words, watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=W7zqx0YUVBo#t=139
... We have done studies on 26 different Iranian groups. Although we speak an Indo-European language we are not genetically very close to Indo-European peoples. The Aryan genetic markers that exist in central Asia and the Caucasus are found very few in the Iranian Plateau. This shows that if there is any Aryan genetic markers in the Iranian DNA, it probably came from the Aryan tribes that entered Iran."

According to Dr Bonab Afsharian,Turks were Persians!!:)
You know...you're only fooling yourself :coffee:

[gültekin]

You know...you're only fooling yourself :coffee:
:bored:

[Flying Dutchman]

All this Middle Eastern sandniggers are not Aryan. They all must be bombed back into the Stone Age and if necessary turn the area they inhabit into a sheet of desert glass.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpS_002byyA

[Kamal900]

All this Middle Eastern sandniggers are not Aryan. They all must be bombed back into the Stone Age and if necessary turn the area they inhabit into a sheet of desert glass.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpS_002byyA

Lol, you just gave me 90 thumbs down. Why are we keep getting more and more sock puppets here in this forum?

[Varhun]

Next round

[meisje]

Iranians have nothing to do with Sintashta-Andronovo people(Proto Indo-Iranians) or with Scythians, 8 samples out of 10 Andronovo culture samples come as European

in Autosomal Dna,2 sample as Asian, also 2 samples Sintashta samples are closest to the Russians-Swedes

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009En.htm

Sintashta Autosomal Dna, https://www.dropbox.com/s/piapvggffc4tru1/Sintashta2.pdf?dl=0

http://s22.postimg.org/d97x6iehd/PCA12.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bK3p2nyVR-0/VX9LxGLzcXI/AAAAAAAADDY/SDQ18bs0TsQ/s1600/AllentoftADMIXTURE.png

[Pahli]

Iranians have nothing to do with Sintashta-Andronovo people(Proto Indo-Iranians) or with Scythians, 8 samples out of 10 Andronovo culture samples come as European

in Autosomal Dna,2 sample as Asian, also 2 samples Sintashta samples are closest to the Russians-Swedes

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009En.htm

Sintashta Autosomal Dna, https://www.dropbox.com/s/piapvggffc4tru1/Sintashta2.pdf?dl=0

http://s22.postimg.org/d97x6iehd/PCA12.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bK3p2nyVR-0/VX9LxGLzcXI/AAAAAAAADDY/SDQ18bs0TsQ/s1600/AllentoftADMIXTURE.png

Neither does Turks. Considering that Genghis Khan cleaned out Central Asia for your kind, we still have genetics of East Iranian minorities in Central Asia, getting up to 40% Sintashta ancestry where as your kind barely has any. Don't confuse Persians with Iranians.

[meisje]

Neither does Turks. Considering that Genghis Khan cleaned out Central Asia for your kind, we still have genetics of East Iranian minorities in Central Asia, getting up to 40% Sintashta ancestry where as your kind barely has any. Don't confuse Persians with Iranians.

The non-Aryan origin of "Iranians"


Considering that Genghis Khan cleaned out Central Asia for your kind

http://galeri2.uludagsozluk.com/348/3-mayis-2013-turkculuk-bayrami_441103.png


we still have genetics of East Iranian minorities in Central Asia, getting up to 40% Sintashta ancestry

Are you Kurd or Iranian, Autistic Kid, Which one, Afghans and Tajiks are very distant from Iranians. Pashtun Oracle

Population
Amerindian 1.10%
Ancestral_Altaic 5.13%
South_Central_Asian 35.61%
Arctic 0.13%
South_Indian 15.88%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 20.99%
Archaic_Human 0.06%
East_African 0.72%
East_Siberian 0.43%
European_Early_Farmers 2.30%
Khoisan 0.10%
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 3.13%
North_African 2.29%
Paleo_Siberian 0.65%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 1.67%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.82%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 1.47
2 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 6.33
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 9.58
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 10.81
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 11.07
6 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 12.39
7 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 12.82
8 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 12.93
9 Parsi ( ) 14.22
10 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 17.33
11 Pathan ( ) 17.82
12 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 23.77
13 Burusho ( ) 24.5
14 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 24.65
15 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 24.84
16 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 24.99
17 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 25.98
18 Iranian ( ) 27.55
19 Cochin_Jew ( ) 27.85
20 Makrani ( ) 28.22

[Pahli]

The non-Aryan origin of "Iranians"



http://galeri2.uludagsozluk.com/348/3-mayis-2013-turkculuk-bayrami_441103.png



Are you Kurd or Iranian, Autistic Kid, Which one, Afghans and Tajiks are very distant from Iranians. Pashtun Oracle

Population
Amerindian 1.10%
Ancestral_Altaic 5.13%
South_Central_Asian 35.61%
Arctic 0.13%
South_Indian 15.88%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 20.99%
Archaic_Human 0.06%
East_African 0.72%
East_Siberian 0.43%
European_Early_Farmers 2.30%
Khoisan 0.10%
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 3.13%
North_African 2.29%
Paleo_Siberian 0.65%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 1.67%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.82%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 1.47
2 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 6.33
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 9.58
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 10.81
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 11.07
6 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 12.39
7 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 12.82
8 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 12.93
9 Parsi ( ) 14.22
10 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 17.33
11 Pathan ( ) 17.82
12 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 23.77
13 Burusho ( ) 24.5
14 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 24.65
15 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 24.84
16 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 24.99
17 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 25.98
18 Iranian ( ) 27.55
19 Cochin_Jew ( ) 27.85
20 Makrani ( ) 28.22

How retarded are you? Take your time to read my post you imbecile Armenoid cunt, I wrote that East Iranians (that will be ethnicities like Yaghnobi, Wakhis and Pamiris) have a huge Sintashta admixture, up to 40%, but on average around 1/3 or 33%. I know that Persians and Kurds aren't that close to Afghans and Tajiks.

[Pahli]

Next round

Subhuman why are you present here? Go get your plastic surgery and aim for some Kazakh look.

[meisje]

How retarded are you? Take your time to read my post you imbecile Armenoid cunt, I wrote that East Iranians (that will be ethnicities like Yaghnobi, Wakhis and Pamiris) have a huge Sintashta admixture, up to 40%, but on average around 1/3 or 33%. I know that Persians and Kurds aren't that close to Afghans and Tajiks.

You piece of shit have big mouth behind your computer in the safe zone of Internet, You Monobrow Low IQ Imbecile, Thread about Iranians, Not

Genghis Khan or Turks, Brainless Refugee Kid, I pack you together with your whore Mom, GTFO from thread If You will not write valuable thing related to thread.

[Pahli]

You piece of shit have big mouth behind your computer in the safe zone of Internet, You Monobrow Low IQ Imbecile, Thread about Iranians, Not Genghis Khan

or Turks, Brainless Refugee Kid, I pack you together with your Mom GTFO from thread If You willnot write valubale thing related to thread.

Holy shit I triggered you again, I posted real facts and you got mad because you were wrong, learn to read my posts again you fucking idiot :lol:

[Babak]

Holy shit I triggered you again, I posted real facts and you got mad because you were wrong, learn to read my posts again you fucking idiot :lol:

shutup you hindi. you ie speaking assyrian southwest asain shit

[Pahli]

shutup you hindi. you ie speaking assyrian southwest asain shit


Delete my post Low IQ Autistic Kid with 50 IQ Level ,I will cut you to pieces Whenever I see you,You piece of Shit from Kurd crap

[Babak]

Iranians have nothing to do with Sintashta-Andronovo people(Proto Indo-Iranians) or with Scythians, 8 samples out of 10 Andronovo culture samples come as European

in Autosomal Dna,2 sample as Asian, also 2 samples Sintashta samples are closest to the Russians-Swedes

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009En.htm

Sintashta Autosomal Dna, https://www.dropbox.com/s/piapvggffc4tru1/Sintashta2.pdf?dl=0

http://s22.postimg.org/d97x6iehd/PCA12.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bK3p2nyVR-0/VX9LxGLzcXI/AAAAAAAADDY/SDQ18bs0TsQ/s1600/AllentoftADMIXTURE.png


fuck these ie speaking southwest asian shifted assyroided mesopotamian ahemdinejoided kiros. they have nothing to do with pamiris or afghans and they run their mouth.

[meisje]

Holy shit I triggered you again, I posted real facts and you got mad because you were wrong, learn to read my posts again you fucking idiot :lol:

You are pain in my ass, Kıro, Hhaaaa...

[Pahli]

You are pain in my ass, Kıro, Hhaaaa...

Don't worry, I promised myself to be your doom here in TA as long as you're being retards and trolling us. I would still prefer something like 10 Danishmends over you, Witness and Witness.


You are right, Man, What can I say, Thread is already fucked up by an autistic Kid.

The one who is autistic is you, the one that went into an internal rage and probably punched his monitor.

[meisje]

fuck these ie speaking southwest asian shifted assyroided mesopotamian ahemdinejoided kiros. they have nothing to do with pamiris or afghans and they run their mouth.

You are right, Man, What can I say, Thread is already fucked up by an autistic Kid.

[Kamal900]

Well, Turks do have great significant Turkic ancestry in their genepool which can also be said about the Azeris and etc, and if Turks want to associate themselves to other Turkic peoples then it's their right, not ours. It's a proven fact that Iranians are genetically mostly native to Iran/West Asia than to the eastern Iranic peoples of central Asia and so on. This whole thing is retarded.

[Pahli]

Well, Turks do have great significant Turkic ancestry in their genepool which can also be said about the Azeris and etc, and if Turks want to associate themselves to other Turkic peoples then it's their right, not ours. It's a proven fact that Iranians are genetically mostly native to Iran/West Asia than to the eastern Iranic peoples of central Asia and so on. This whole thing is retarded.

I don't understand why these retarded Turks keep reminding us of the low IE admixture in Persians and Kurds when I pinpointed that several times to them.

[Babak]

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/images/tajikistan/farangees.jpg

brownies have nothing to do with pamiri tajik

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1703/24645226196_5747a6224b_b.jpg

[Kamal900]

I don't understand why these retarded Turks keep reminding us of the low IE admixture in Persians and Kurds when I pinpointed that several times to them.

I seriously doubt that the PIE peoples were some homogeneous genetic race or something, and being Turkic - like all other ethno-linguistic groups - is just a cultural or linguistic definition rather than a genetic or racial one.

[Pahli]

I seriously doubt that the PIE peoples were some homogeneous genetic race or something, and being Turkic - like all other ethno-linguistic groups - is just a cultural or linguistic definition rather than a genetic or racial one.

They weren't but we have genetics to prove what they were similar to ... In the end it doesn't matter, "white" Scythians are obviously Turkic and Indo-Iranians are a brown race according to Gültekin and Witness, they're experts on history and genetics.

[Varhun]

Subhuman why are you present here? Go get your plastic surgery and aim for some Kazakh look.

What did I do? And why mocking my Avatar?