are dark skin indians "black" or descendt of ham the ancestor of black people

[Mortimer]

The sons of Ham, with the ancient or modern people groups thought to be associated with their descendants:

Cush: Dravidians, Black Africans, Bushmen, Pygmies, Australian Aborigines, Papuans, and Melanesians.
Seba: Sabaeans, Eritreans, Black Africans, Dravidians, and Roma people ("Gypsies").
Havilah: Yemenis, Djiboutians, Melanesians, Papuans, and Australian Aborigines.
Sabtah: Hadramites, Astaborans, Ethiopians, Yemenis, Mahra, and the Sab tribe in East Africa.
Raamah: Ragmeans, Minaeans, Black Africans, and Indians.
Sheba: Yemenis, Ethiopians, Ugandans, Kenyans, Tanzanians, Black Africans, and Indians.
Dedan: Sudanese, Falashas, and Black Africans.
Sabteca: Sabactens of southern Yemen, the Tedas in East Africa and Todas in India.

http://creationwiki.org/Ham

The Curse of Ham is a misnomer[1] for the curse upon Canaan that was imposed by the biblical patriarch Noah. The narrative occurs in the Book of Genesis and concerns Noah's drunkenness and the accompanying shameful act perpetrated by his son Ham the father of Canaan (Gen. 9:20–27).[2] The controversies raised by this story regarding the nature of Ham's transgression, and the question of why Noah cursed Canaan when Ham had sinned, have been debated for over two thousand years.[3]

The story's original objective was to justify the subjection of the Canaanites to the Israelites,[4] but in later centuries, the narrative was interpreted by some Muslims, Jews and Christians as an explanation for black skin, as well as slavery.[5] Nevertheless, most Christian denominations and all Jewish denominations strongly disagree with such interpretations due to the fact that in the biblical text, Ham himself is not cursed and race or skin color is never mentioned.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham

[zhaoyun]

Nonsense

[Ctwentysevenj]

All fairy tales. The reason why people within 10 degrees north and south of the equator, have the darkest skin, because of the greatest exposure to the sun's rays. They have that darkness to protect them from the sun. Why people furthermost away from the equator developed light skin, as there was weaker sun exposure, and over time lost the "darkness" in their skin. All that religious nonsense is all made up fairy tales.

[StonyArabia]

No lol.

[Anglojew]

The sons of Ham, with the ancient or modern people groups thought to be associated with their descendants:

Cush: Dravidians, Black Africans, Bushmen, Pygmies, Australian Aborigines, Papuans, and Melanesians.
Seba: Sabaeans, Eritreans, Black Africans, Dravidians, and Roma people ("Gypsies").
Havilah: Yemenis, Djiboutians, Melanesians, Papuans, and Australian Aborigines.
Sabtah: Hadramites, Astaborans, Ethiopians, Yemenis, Mahra, and the Sab tribe in East Africa.
Raamah: Ragmeans, Minaeans, Black Africans, and Indians.
Sheba: Yemenis, Ethiopians, Ugandans, Kenyans, Tanzanians, Black Africans, and Indians.
Dedan: Sudanese, Falashas, and Black Africans.
Sabteca: Sabactens of southern Yemen, the Tedas in East Africa and Todas in India.

http://creationwiki.org/Ham

The Curse of Ham is a misnomer[1] for the curse upon Canaan that was imposed by the biblical patriarch Noah. The narrative occurs in the Book of Genesis and concerns Noah's drunkenness and the accompanying shameful act perpetrated by his son Ham the father of Canaan (Gen. 9:20–27).[2] The controversies raised by this story regarding the nature of Ham's transgression, and the question of why Noah cursed Canaan when Ham had sinned, have been debated for over two thousand years.[3]

The story's original objective was to justify the subjection of the Canaanites to the Israelites,[4] but in later centuries, the narrative was interpreted by some Muslims, Jews and Christians as an explanation for black skin, as well as slavery.[5] Nevertheless, most Christian denominations and all Jewish denominations strongly disagree with such interpretations due to the fact that in the biblical text, Ham himself is not cursed and race or skin color is never mentioned.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham

They're overbaked:


Earthmaker made the world with trees and fields, with rivers, lakes, and springs, and with hills and valleys. It was beautiful. However, there weren't any humans, and so one day he decided to make some.

He scooped out a hole in a stream bank and lined the hole with stones to make a hearth, and he built a fire there. Then he took some clay and made a small figure that he put in the hearth. While it baked, he took some twigs and made tongs. When he pulled the figure out of the fire and had let it cool, he moved its limbs and breathed life into it, and it walked away. Earthmaker nonetheless realized that it was only half-baked. That figure became the white people.

Earthmaker decided to try again, and so he made another figure and put it on the hearth. This time he took a nap under a tree while the figure baked, and he slept longer than he intended. When he pulled the second figure out of the fire and had let it cool, he moved its limbs and breathed life into it, and it walked away. Earthmaker realized that this figure was overbaked, and it became the black people.

Earthmaker decided to try one more time. He cleaned the ashes out of the hearth and built a new fire. Then he scooped up some clay and cleaned it of any twigs or leaves, so that it was pure. He made a little figure and put it on the hearth, and this time he sat by the hearth and watched carefully as the figure baked. When this figure was done, he pulled it out of the fire and let it cool. Then he moved its limbs and breathed life into it, and it walked away. This figure was baked just right, and it became the red people.

http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CS/CSPotawatomi.html

[Dictator]

All fairy tales. The reason why people within 10 degrees north and south of the equator, have the darkest skin, because of the greatest exposure to the sun's rays. They have that darkness to protect them from the sun. Why people furthermost away from the equator developed light skin, as there was weaker sun exposure, and over time lost the "darkness" in their skin. All that religious nonsense is all made up fairy tales.

You're actually wrong. Dark skin is horrible at producing vitamin D, so that's why ethnicities from places with less sunlight developed lighter skin. Nothing about protection.

[Mortimer]

They're overbaked:



http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CS/CSPotawatomi.html

i would count gypsies and indians rather as the red people in this story then as the black overbaked people. ham means burnt in hebrew which means black. i dont think gypsies are black or burnt as sub saharan negroes but in europe they were considered as such. probably as the only dark skinned non-white people there for long time

[Mortimer]

this site says gypsies are japhetic or aryan http://www.freewebs.com/awdawm/thetableofnations.htm

Madai Medes, Persians, Caspians, Achaemenians, Manneans, Iranians, Kurds, Turks, Indians, Pathans, Hazaras, Gypsies, Tartars, Cossacks, Afghans, Pakistanis, Azerbaijanis, Kazakhs, Turkmen, Uzbeks, Tajiks, and Kyrgyzs.

i dont know who wrote which, and why and how etc. gypsies themselfes who are into this bible stuff sometimes claim to be related to jews and to be semites.