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Mortimer
03-25-2015, 04:22 AM
near east (turkey and surrounding cultures/areas). if you think im trolling then you are racist dumb fuck who takes near east as insult. i dont say that balkans on average look west asian they look more european but culturally and mentally they are a intermediate between austro-hungarian/german/western culture and ottoman culture/mentality. i think in many ways they are close to turkish people. also many balkanites (especially muslims) bond with turks, they like eatch other, not so much on forums maybe but in real life.

alb0zfinest
03-25-2015, 04:30 AM
What you explained in the comment section is quite different from the name of the title. You should probably ask a mod to change the title of the thread so that its not misconstrued. You can keep it if you want but you'll probably get trolled and insulted alot for it.

Mortimer
03-25-2015, 04:31 AM
What you explained in the comment section is quite different from the name of the title. You should probably ask a mod to change the title of the thread so that its not misconstrued. You can keep it if you want but you'll probably get trolled and insulted alot for it.

how its different i didnt specified in my title in which ways they are closer to turks etc. or europeans. i didnt said are they genetically culturally etc. closer but some mod can change it though.

alb0zfinest
03-25-2015, 04:40 AM
how its different i didnt specified in my title in which ways they are closer to turks etc. or europeans. i didnt said are they genetically culturally etc. closer but some mod can change it though.

I know you didn't specify lol, but that is what most people will assume.

Probably change it to something like;

Is the balkan mentality/culture European, near eastern or a combination of the two?

Mortimer
03-25-2015, 04:41 AM
I know you didn't specify lol, but that is what most people will assume.

Probably change it to something like;

Is the balkan mentality European, near eastern or a combination of the two?

ok i will change it

Crn Volk
03-25-2015, 05:46 AM
Probably closer to other southern Europeans - hot and fiery

Kastrioti1443
03-25-2015, 08:40 AM
There is not such thing as ''european'' mentality or mindset, these are inventions of mulattoes and depressed mongrels who try to identity with something which doesn't exist, or even if exists, it is far from being an example to follow.

It is very clear with what ''european' or '' european behavior'' has been associated in the last 70-80 years, especially after 1960 and every clear balkaner must not want to be associated with such term.

Anyway, balkaners have different mindsets on their own, even inside their nations, and only a small part of balkaners have been warriors, the others have been farmers of every kind and perfect subjected people of the empire, who besides producing food, not doing any riot and going to the church on sunday, they also gave a lot of their daughters in harems.

However yes, balkaners, the ones who are proud, do not want to be associated with gay, faggot, subjective, dump, mentally and physically ill ''europeaness'' .

lameduck
03-25-2015, 08:55 AM
balkans can be very euro nationalist(for the lack of better word) actually the scenario is that because of being close to Turkey(and that past) resulting in a euro centrist attitude that is more fierce than normal scenario.

StormBringer
03-25-2015, 10:08 AM
You don't really see that many Mid Easterners chimping-out (granted there perhaps isn't as many of them as there's Balkanites on this forum), so, on the chimping-out graph we would plot more south eastern than them.

StormBringer
03-25-2015, 10:12 AM
Blurgh blurgh blurgh, I'm a retarded little shit from Alburtha who jacks off to thugs and organized crime, see me roll...

Nurzat
03-25-2015, 10:15 AM
between Germany and Turkey, Balkans are closer in appearance and mentality and customs and folklore to.. Turkey. closer, but still quite different. but definitely closer to Western Asia than to Western and Northern Europe

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 10:18 AM
It's not a ''European mentality'', honestly.

Herr Abubu
03-25-2015, 10:44 AM
It depends, those from the Western Balkans have a mentality and temperament similar to mountaineers from other parts of the world, especially Northern Caucasus. That's changing fast, however. Thinking that it will somehow make them as rich as the West, they try to become as degenerate as the West.

Linet
03-25-2015, 10:51 AM
Which one is the European mentality? :chin: ....the French one? The German one? The Spanish one? The Italian one? The Norwegean one? the Maltese one? The Russian? etc etc etc :dizzy: and by balkan mentality which one you mean? The Romanian or the Greek? Because our mentalities are like night and day http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/peach-bush-smiley.gif?1292867651....the Albanian or the Serbian? The Croatian or the Bulgarian? which mentality? ....we are not one thing, we dont come out of a "Balkan maker" factory http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/smilies-maker-smiley-face.gif?1302011424

dawson
03-25-2015, 11:04 AM
Euro

Kastrioti1443
03-25-2015, 11:19 AM
I am buthurt

You are clearly buthurt about something vlach tomato farmer who infected the lands of bosnia...

Dorian
03-25-2015, 11:31 AM
no such thing as "turkish" folklore,appearance,custom and mentality..lol

Imamudin
03-25-2015, 11:32 AM
They're more like Europeans.

Imamudin
03-25-2015, 11:40 AM
It depends, those from the Western Balkans have a mentality and temperament similar to mountaineers from other parts of the world, especially Northern Caucasus.

:lol00001:

Maybe in your dreams.

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 12:44 PM
From a legal perspective, Balkans can't be grouped as near-eastern like either. Without Byzantine law, especially Corpus Iuris Civil there wouldn't be modern civil law system as we know it today. However, Ottomans brought their ''rules'' in formas of quasi-legal system with them, and it was incompatible with mainstream Europen traditions. Survived until 20th century and left cultural imprint which alienated pasts of southeastern Europe. It's interesting how a legal system, or lack of it influence culture of the region.

But, other parts of Europe have some outliers too. Southern Spain and Italy, bit oriental influence. Extreme northern regions, isolated and speresly populated, also developed culture of their own. So it's hard to answer this question. Differences are smaller now than they were before I think.

blogen
03-25-2015, 12:58 PM
Identical with the Near Eastern.

Hithaeglir
03-25-2015, 01:00 PM
This comparison would require the existence of an actual "Balkan mentality".

Cristiano viejo
03-25-2015, 01:14 PM
Albanians and Bosnians have clearly Middle Eastern mentality. Clothes, culture, gastronomy, religion (they worship to a pederast), language (overall Bosnians), architecture, scientific, historical and sport achievements... and both countries poverty is consistent with that of the Middle Eastern countries. Even there are African and Latin American countries richer than them.

Nurzat
03-25-2015, 01:43 PM
Which one is the European mentality? :chin: ....the French one? The German one? The Spanish one? The Italian one? The Norwegean one? the Maltese one? The Russian? etc etc etc :dizzy: and by balkan mentality which one you mean? The Romanian or the Greek? Because our mentalities are like night and day http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/peach-bush-smiley.gif?1292867651....the Albanian or the Serbian? The Croatian or the Bulgarian? which mentality? ....we are not one thing, we dont come out of a "Balkan maker" factory http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/smilies-maker-smiley-face.gif?1302011424

don't worry, Greece is Southern Europe, not Balkans :) you have nothing to worry, we don't refer to Greeks

blogen
03-25-2015, 01:49 PM
Albanians and Bosnians have clearly Middle Eastern mentality. Clothes, culture, gastronomy, religion (they worship to a pederast), language (overall Bosnians), architecture, scientific, historical and sport achievements... and both countries poverty is consistent with that of the Middle Eastern countries. Even there are African and Latin American countries richer than them.

The Muslims of the Balkan were mostly wealthy and educated urban citizens, while the Christians were illiterate peasants from the rural lands in the Ottoman times. The social rise was the basis of the islamization in the Ottoman Balkan. Because of this richer culturally Bosnia and Albania until today. And an another reason was significant too, and that was the modernistaion, what was a nationalistic policy in the post-Ottoman states and this nationalism, the cultural uniformity of their nationalist narratives weakened these contries culture too. This increased the Gypsies' role in the Balkanite cultural life, especially in Serbia. They were a periferical society otside the modernist tendencies, and because of this, they preserved and mediated the old, premodern Balkan culture to the modern and postmodern Balkanite society. The simplifying effect of the nationalism did not affect them and their creativeness and sensitivity remained.

But the whole modernisation/westernization was only a glaze on the Balkanite Christians socio-cultural behavior. The old reflexes are untouched in the depth and the Balkan is nothing more than a modernized Christian Near East as some part of Lebanon. They are westernized from outside only.

Nurzat
03-25-2015, 01:50 PM
I would call it "Ottoman mentality" and yes, there is:

Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia, Serbia, Western Turkey - yes

Croatia - idk

Slovenia - no

Greece, Cyprus - is South Europe

blogen
03-25-2015, 01:56 PM
I would call it "Ottoman mentality" and yes, there is:

What was the clear and direct continuation of the Byzantine traditions.

Prism
03-25-2015, 02:01 PM
One of my friends was in Croatia and Montenegro recently and he told me our culture is a mixture between Southern European and Slavic, hes Polish. We love to eat but we also love to drink ;) But yes there is a lot of Turkish input, our cuisine completely ( burek, pita , baklava, ćevapi, etc ), our traditional music has Turkish input and maybe and our hot temper ( which I have too ) i dont know, if its a Turkish influence, Slavic influence or Ilyrian influence.

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 02:02 PM
Croatia has never been Balkan country, despite agressive attempts to put us in that ''region'' . Eh :)

Kastrioti1443
03-25-2015, 02:04 PM
:lol00001:

Maybe in your dreams.

You should be honored that he portrayed caucasians as a good example, because people here bash you daily, in a lot of threads.


I would call it "Ottoman mentality" and yes, there is:

Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia, Serbia, Western Turkey - yes

Croatia - idk

Slovenia - no

Greece, Cyprus - is South Europe


There is not such thing as 'ottoman mentality' my friend, never existed and never will exist. You are giving too much credit to a dynasty of 400 tents that brought devastation and backwardness everywhere.




The Muslims of the Balkan were mostly wealthy and educated urban citizens, while the Christians were illiterate peasants from the rural lands in the Ottoman times. The social rise was the basis of the islamization in the Ottoman Balkan. Because of this richer culturally Bosnia and Albania until today. And an another reason was significant too, and that was the modernistaion, what was a nationalistic policy in the post-Ottoman states and this nationalism, the cultural uniformity of their nationalist narratives weakened these contries culture too. This increased the Gypsies' role in the Balkanite cultural life, especially in Serbia. They were a periferical society otside the modernist tendencies, and because of this, they preserved and mediated the old, premodern Balkan culture to the modern and postmodern Balkanite society. The simplifying effect of the nationalism did not affect them and their creativeness and sensitivity remained.

But the whole modernisation/westernization was only a glaze on the Balkanite Christians socio-cultural behavior. The old reflexes are untouched in the depth and the Balkan is nothing more than a modernized Christian Near East as some part of Lebanon. They are westernized from outside only.

I do not know about Bosnia, but albanians didn't get richer during ottoman invasion. Do not confuse some certain albanian rulers with the general population. Ottomans times are the biggest wound and darkest part of albanians' history and besides blood, destruction and total backwardness, ottomans brought nothing else.

Prism
03-25-2015, 02:05 PM
Northern Croatia yes thats central Europe but Dalmacija ( where I get my heritage ) is infact the Balkans and the south.

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 02:06 PM
Northern Croatia yes thats central Europe but Dalmacija ( where I get my heritage ) and the south is.

Dalmatia is purely mediterranean, Southern European in culture and history. Only interor highlands (Zagora) recived Balkan influence. Btw, I'm half-Dalmatian too :)

From wiki about Dalmatian identity:

The inhabitants of Dalmatia are culturally subdivided into two or three groups. The urban families of the coastal cities, sometimes known as Fetivi, are culturally akin to the inhabitants of the Dalmatian islands (known derogatorily as Boduli). The two are together distinct, in the Mediterranean aspects of their culture, from the more numerous inhabitants of the Zagora, the hinterland, referred to (sometimes derogatorily) as the Vlaji. The latter are historically more influenced by Ottoman culture, merging almost seamlessly at the border with the Herzegovinian Croats and southern Bosnia and Herzegovina in general.

The former two groups (inhabitants of the islands and the cities) historically included many Venetian and Italian speakers, many of whom identified as Italians (esp. after the Unification of Italy). Their presence, relative to those identifying as South Slavs, decreased dramatically over the course of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century. There remains, however, a strong cultural, and, in part, ancestral heritage among the natives of the cities and islands, who today almost exclusively identify as Croats, but retain a sense of regional identity.

Sideritis
03-25-2015, 02:32 PM
Well there is always Zizek. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYnda5JhOMM)

"We in Slovenia are especially sensitive when it comes to this; For us in Slovenia, the Balkans begins here in Croatia. Because during the period of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy we were the Austrian part of it, we were in Middle Europe, in the midst of civilizaition, while Croatia (on the other hand) would be the Balkans. For Croats, the Balkans begins with Bosnia and Serbia, since the Croats are catholics, they're Europe. For Serbians, the Balkans are Albanians, Kosovo and downward - The Serbs are the last fortress, defense of Europe.
But the comedic part of it is that you can do the same thing in the opposite direction - For the Austrians we, the Slovenians are the Balkans.Karavanke, those hills between Slovenia and Austria, that is the border of the Balkans.The comedy goes even further- for the Germans, The Austrians are a sort of the Balkans.???? For French, there is something dark to the Germans, as if they're somehow suspicious. The French are the civilazation. And to go the farthest, for English, all of Europe is somehow the Balkans and Bruxells is the new Konstantinopol etc. Therefore, the Balkans is never right here. It is always somewhere downward, toward the East. "The Balkans are OTHERS." Yes, Yes.But I think this is a really important ideological category - because my friend Mladen Dolar had this wonderful idea that the Balkans functions as the Unconscious of Europe - all of European traumas, everything that Europe isn't willing to admit about itself, the brutality, anti-feminism, militarism, all of this is being projected as the Balkans.

Highlands
03-25-2015, 02:39 PM
From what I've seen, Balkanites don't assimilate very well in the west. There is clear "oriental" influence in the culture (let's not take into consideration the young western hipster types which don't represent the majority). Even Indians and Chinese are more westernised than balkanites. You can how those groups assimilate very quickly.

Nurzat
03-25-2015, 02:40 PM
Dalmatia is purely mediterranean, Southern European in culture and history. Only interor highlands (Zagora) recived Balkan influence. Btw, I'm half-Dalmatian too :)

From wiki about Dalmatian identity:

The inhabitants of Dalmatia are culturally subdivided into two or three groups. The urban families of the coastal cities, sometimes known as Fetivi, are culturally akin to the inhabitants of the Dalmatian islands (known derogatorily as Boduli). The two are together distinct, in the Mediterranean aspects of their culture, from the more numerous inhabitants of the Zagora, the hinterland, referred to (sometimes derogatorily) as the Vlaji. The latter are historically more influenced by Ottoman culture, merging almost seamlessly at the border with the Herzegovinian Croats and southern Bosnia and Herzegovina in general.

The former two groups (inhabitants of the islands and the cities) historically included many Venetian and Italian speakers, many of whom identified as Italians (esp. after the Unification of Italy). Their presence, relative to those identifying as South Slavs, decreased dramatically over the course of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century. There remains, however, a strong cultural, and, in part, ancestral heritage among the natives of the cities and islands, who today almost exclusively identify as Croats, but retain a sense of regional identity.

we're generalizing here.. if we stay to count all exceptions.. then Romania would be historically and culturally into 3 or 4 different regions (Banat and Wallachia - Balkans, Transylvania, Criș Country, Maramureș - Central Europe, Moldavia - Eastern Europe, Bucovina - Northern Europe....)

within the borders of a country the things get homogenized, standardized, with influence from the capital city and the majority of the inhabitants of the country.. so, disregard prior culture, from Bucharest all the country gets more and more Balkanic. the same must be elsewhere - and Turkey gets more and more European because of Istanbul. so this is how Balkans and Turkey still grow closer more and more

blogen
03-25-2015, 02:47 PM
I do not know about Bosnia, but albanians didn't get richer during ottoman invasion. Do not confuse some certain albanian rulers with the general population. Ottomans times are the biggest wound and darkest part of albanians' history and besides blood, destruction and total backwardness, ottomans brought nothing else.

You are so ungrateful! :D

The Albanians would not have been able to spread onto their present residence without the Ottoman invasion. Kosovo would be purely Serbian, Epirus is Vlacho-Greek and Vardar is Vlacho-Bulgarian. Two third the areas with significant Albanian population was not Albanian populated before the Ottoman era.

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 02:49 PM
Well there is always Zizek. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYnda5JhOMM)

"We in Slovenia are especially sensitive when it comes to this; For us in Slovenia, the Balkans begins here in Croatia. Because during the period of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy we were the Austrian part of it, we were in Middle Europe, in the midst of civilizaition, while Croatia (on the other hand) would be the Balkans. For Croats, the Balkans begins with Bosnia and Serbia, since the Croats are catholics, they're Europe. For Serbians, the Balkans are Albanians, Kosovo and downward - The Serbs are the last fortress, defense of Europe.
But the comedic part of it is that you can do the same thing in the opposite direction - For the Austrians we, the Slovenians are the Balkans.Karavanke, those hills between Slovenia and Austria, that is the border of the Balkans.The comedy goes even further- for the Germans, The Austrians are a sort of the Balkans.???? For French, there is something dark to the Germans, as if they're somehow suspicious. The French are the civilazation. And to go the farthest, for English, all of Europe is somehow the Balkans and Bruxells is the new Konstantinopol etc. Therefore, the Balkans is never right here. It is always somewhere downward, toward the East. "The Balkans are OTHERS." Yes, Yes.But I think this is a really important ideological category - because my friend Mladen Dolar had this wonderful idea that the Balkans functions as the Unconscious of Europe - all of European traumas, everything that Europe isn't willing to admit about itself, the brutality, anti-feminism, militarism, all of this is being projected as the Balkans.

Zizek is very interesting guy, he was a guest at my University few times, but here he's joking of course :) Slovenia and Croatia have been part of Austro-Hungary togheder, although Slovenia didn't have authonomy Croatia had. And Dalmatian coast was under Venice, later France for a short period of time and than Austria claimed it. Millitary frontier was carved out of Croatian teritorry to protect Central Europe from Ottomans, and Croatia was never conquered nor included in Ottoman empire. So really, we get very annoyed to be called Balkans when we were never culturally part of it. 1000 years in Central Europe/mediterranean, and only 70 in Yugoslavia, and people forget the past. Religion plays the part too, because Croatia was border between west and east after Roman empire split (on western side of it).

And don't forget, Germans often joke how Balkans starts in Vienna. LOL :D

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 02:52 PM
we're generalizing here.. if we stay to count all exceptions.. then Romania would be historically and culturally into 3 or 4 different regions (Banat and Wallachia - Balkans, Transylvania, Criș Country, Maramureș - Central Europe, Moldavia - Eastern Europe, Bucovina - Northern Europe....)

within the borders of a country the things get homogenized, standardized, with influence from the capital city and the majority of the inhabitants of the country.. so, disregard prior culture, from Bucharest all the country gets more and more Balkanic. the same must be elsewhere - and Turkey gets more and more European because of Istanbul. so this is how Balkans and Turkey still grow closer more and more

Well, I consider Romania Balkanic country culturally, but I'm not Romanian, so if wrong, correct me. Geographicaly it's Eastern Europe though, since it's north of the Danube (just like big part of Croatia is in Balkan peninsula by geography). But I always tought Transylvania to be Central European culturally because it was part of Hungary for centuries.

Sikeliot
03-25-2015, 02:53 PM
Greek mentality is very similar to southern Italian.

blogen
03-25-2015, 02:56 PM
Greek mentality is very similar to southern Italian.

And the South Italian mentality is similatar to the Near Eastern Mentality. South Iberia, Maghreb, South Italy, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel and the monarchies of the Arabian peninsula are the developed Oriens, while the Balkanite countries, the Caucasian countries, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lybia and Yemen are the developing Oriens.

Prism
03-25-2015, 02:57 PM
Well there is always Zizek. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYnda5JhOMM)

"We in Slovenia are especially sensitive when it comes to this; For us in Slovenia, the Balkans begins here in Croatia. Because during the period of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy we were the Austrian part of it, we were in Middle Europe, in the midst of civilizaition, while Croatia (on the other hand) would be the Balkans. For Croats, the Balkans begins with Bosnia and Serbia, since the Croats are catholics, they're Europe. For Serbians, the Balkans are Albanians, Kosovo and downward - The Serbs are the last fortress, defense of Europe.
But the comedic part of it is that you can do the same thing in the opposite direction - For the Austrians we, the Slovenians are the Balkans.Karavanke, those hills between Slovenia and Austria, that is the border of the Balkans.The comedy goes even further- for the Germans, The Austrians are a sort of the Balkans.???? For French, there is something dark to the Germans, as if they're somehow suspicious. The French are the civilazation. And to go the farthest, for English, all of Europe is somehow the Balkans and Bruxells is the new Konstantinopol etc. Therefore, the Balkans is never right here. It is always somewhere downward, toward the East. "The Balkans are OTHERS." Yes, Yes.But I think this is a really important ideological category - because my friend Mladen Dolar had this wonderful idea that the Balkans functions as the Unconscious of Europe - all of European traumas, everything that Europe isn't willing to admit about itself, the brutality, anti-feminism, militarism, all of this is being projected as the Balkans.

Well if North Croatia IMO is not the Balkans, then Slovenia definitely isnt, I have heard being called Balkan or South Slav is an insult to them ?? Anyway I dont know any Slovenians myslef but my Grandad tells me theyre cold and more like Austrians.

This website explains them well.

http://europeisnotdead.com/video/images-of-europe/european-stereotypes/

I guess....

Nurzat
03-25-2015, 02:57 PM
Well, I consider Romania Balkanic country culturally, but I'm not Romanian, so if wrong, correct me. Geographicaly it's Eastern Europe though, since it's north of the Danube (just like big part of Croatia is in Balkan peninsula by geography). But I always tought Transylvania to be Central European culturally because it was part of Hungary for centuries.

grosso modo it is Balkanic. kitsch took on. small places like my region, which are totally Central Euro, don't count in the big picture, which is overly Balkanic and Ottoman

Bucovina, North Romania, former Austrian land (https://www.google.ro/search?q=bucovina&biw=1920&bih=915&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=oswSVaLEEcXj7QbIo4CQBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ)

Insuperable
03-25-2015, 03:01 PM
Dalmatia is purely mediterranean, Southern European in culture and history. Only interor highlands (Zagora) recived Balkan influence. Btw, I'm half-Dalmatian too :)

From wiki about Dalmatian identity:

The inhabitants of Dalmatia are culturally subdivided into two or three groups. The urban families of the coastal cities, sometimes known as Fetivi, are culturally akin to the inhabitants of the Dalmatian islands (known derogatorily as Boduli). The two are together distinct, in the Mediterranean aspects of their culture, from the more numerous inhabitants of the Zagora, the hinterland, referred to (sometimes derogatorily) as the Vlaji. The latter are historically more influenced by Ottoman culture, merging almost seamlessly at the border with the Herzegovinian Croats and southern Bosnia and Herzegovina in general.

The former two groups (inhabitants of the islands and the cities) historically included many Venetian and Italian speakers, many of whom identified as Italians (esp. after the Unification of Italy). Their presence, relative to those identifying as South Slavs, decreased dramatically over the course of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century. There remains, however, a strong cultural, and, in part, ancestral heritage among the natives of the cities and islands, who today almost exclusively identify as Croats, but retain a sense of regional identity.

Correct. Dalmatia is a South European in history and culture more or less. Hinterland is really Balkanic and although not a geographically a small part of southern Croatia, it's population makes 6 or 7 % of population of Dalmatia since it is a more mountainous region, I think. Why it says there more numerous?:confused: Wouldn't automatically label southern Croatia as Balkanic (not to mention the entire Croatia since southern Croatian population is one fifth of the population of Croatia) because of it. Pred. South European with Balkanic influences imo.

Sideritis
03-25-2015, 03:03 PM
Well if North Croatia IMO is not the Balkans, then Slovenia definitely isnt, I have heard being called Balkan or South Slav is an insult to them ?? Anyway I dont know any Slovenians myslef but my Grandad tells me theyre cold and more like Austrians.

This website explains them well.

http://europeisnotdead.com/video/images-of-europe/european-stereotypes/

I guess....

Geographically they are Balkan. But normally people on the edges of the Balkan have things in common with their bordering countries.

Nurzat
03-25-2015, 03:03 PM
Correct. Dalmatia is a South European in history and culture more or less. Hinterland is really Balkanic and although not a geographically a small part of southern Croatia, it's population makes 6 or 7 % of population of Dalmatia. Wouldn't automatically label southern Croatia as Balkanic (not to mention the entire Croatia) because of it. Pred. South European with Balkanic influences imo.

you are right, because Balkanism implies Orthodoxy and/or Islam, while Hungary and Croatia got away from it largely because of the Western contacts and customs they took on with Catholicism

Nurzat
03-25-2015, 03:09 PM
we in the Balkans are all a bit Gypsy. but better cool Gypsies than dull and delusional Westerners bored of life and money (Cristiano viejo will so like this post haha)

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 03:19 PM
we in the Balkans are all a bit Gypsy. but better cool Gypsies than dull and delusional Westerners bored of life and money (Cristiano viejo will so like this post haha)

They have los gitanos too :D And we are all just cigani who envy heroic conquistadors :)))

Nurzat
03-25-2015, 03:23 PM
They have los gitanos too :D And we are all just cigani who envy heroic conquistadors :)))

nice Gypsy song and video clip from Romania, extreme Balkanizacija


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKanphHHr0g

Prism
03-25-2015, 03:23 PM
Geographically they are Balkan. But normally people on the edges of the Balkan have things in common with their bordering countries.

Geographically this is the Balkans :

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Anything thats in the coloured zone is the Balkans, people have the same culture and cuisine. Well Vojvodina is the Balkans too and some of Romania. My aunt would tell me Yugoslavia was 25 percent Central European ( N. Croatia and Slovenia ) and 75 percent Balkan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

All the European countries that appear under " Today part of " is the Balkans. This is my opinion and I do not mean to offend anyone, but whats wrong with being Balkanian anyway ??

♥ Lily ♥
03-25-2015, 03:25 PM
The question is confusing and I think it needs to be rephrased. Are you referring to any specific country in the Balkans region and any specific country in Western Europe in making comparisons of differences or similarities? Do you mean the cultural differences between various countries in Eastern and Western Europe - such as the general religious, societal, or political views within the different nations for instance?

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
03-25-2015, 03:26 PM
Balkans have not evolved like other Europeans. Their mentality is very primitive. So they are similar to Middle Easterners in this way.

Casandrinos
03-25-2015, 03:27 PM
Balkan is only a geographical term

Nurzat
03-25-2015, 03:28 PM
Geographically this is the Balkans :

56124

Anything thats in the coloured zone is the Balkans, people have the same culture and cuisine. Well Vojvodina is the Balkans too and some of Romania. My aunt would tell me Yugoslavia was 25 percent Central European ( N. Croatia and Slovenia ) and 75 percent Balkan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

All the European countries that appear under " Today part of " is the Balkans. This is my opinion and I do not mean to offend anyone, but whats wrong with being Balkanian anyway ??

Greece counts as Southern Europe.. I don't see it as Balkanic.

the Balkanic brotherhood is:

Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Montenegro

♥ Lily ♥
03-25-2015, 03:31 PM
Greece counts as Southern Europe.. I don't see it as Balkanic.

the Balkanic brotherhood is:

Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Montenegro

I've never seen Greece as being Balkanic either; I've always thought of Greece as being a Western European nation because it's referred to as the cradle of western civilisation. I think they're culturally more like Western Europe. Before the eurozone crisis happened, Greece had a good economy.

Sideritis
03-25-2015, 03:32 PM
Greece counts as Southern Europe.. I don't see it as Balkanic.

the Balkanic brotherhood is:

Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Montenegro

Greece is Balkan, though.

Cristiano viejo
03-25-2015, 04:01 PM
Bosnian clothes

http://crystalmethamphetamines.com/wp-content/plugins/exclude-pages/traditional-bosnian-clothes-i10.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRC6altnSJAd3FMRdhP1KpR1m5e9xkeH ghGhgICAsYfmQ2KGPPO

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHZFpOtddORCYzRuFH3Jv1bdm-L6JbDxVllQgbqCXRlMDGWgGEJA

European or Middle Eastern? :rolleyes:

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 04:21 PM
Bosniak noblemen (my ancestor) Pashtun or Swede ??? :rolleyes: )) He considered himself a Turkish citizen by political nationality and was hard-liner muslim. His son married Catholic Croat woman and he disowned him. Son later became Austro-Hungarian officer and was decorated for bravery at Eastern front (Galicia). His children took mother Croat surname as they could never be legally married, moved in Northern Croatia and grew up as Central Europeans. That's story of my dad's side. Bosnia is a Balkanic country no doubt, but by historical reasons I lost ties with it. Still, would never be ashamed of my roots. So Chrisitano, lay off from Bosnia!! Wanted to share a story.
http://i.imgur.com/SkDlWt2.jpg?1

Insuperable
03-25-2015, 04:34 PM
Bosniak noblemen (my ancestor) Pashtun or Swede ??? :rolleyes: )) He considered himself a Turkish citizen by political nationality and was hard-liner muslim. His son married Catholic Croat woman and he disowned him. Son later became Austro-Hungarian officer and was decorated for bravery at Eastern front (Galicia). His children took mother Croat surname as they could never be legally married, moved in Northern Croatia and grew up as Central Europeans. That's story of my dad's side. Bosnia is a Balkanic country no doubt, but by historical reasons I lost ties with it. Still, would never be ashamed of my roots. So Chrisitano, lay off from Bosnia!! Wanted to share a story.
http://i.imgur.com/SkDlWt2.jpg?1

You are half Croat, 1/4 Bosniak, 1/4 Schwabian?

blogen
03-25-2015, 04:35 PM
Bosnian clothes

http://crystalmethamphetamines.com/wp-content/plugins/exclude-pages/traditional-bosnian-clothes-i10.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRC6altnSJAd3FMRdhP1KpR1m5e9xkeH ghGhgICAsYfmQ2KGPPO

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHZFpOtddORCYzRuFH3Jv1bdm-L6JbDxVllQgbqCXRlMDGWgGEJA

European or Middle Eastern? :rolleyes:

Of course not Europe or more punctually not western or eastern European, but totally identical with the old Serbian clothes:

http://img.ie/images/2015/03/25/ea3115b6001c1bcba1487829a497144a.jpg
http://img.ie/images/2015/03/25/953d22d48f16b898a0d5e0bd7c47b6d8.jpg
http://img.ie/images/2015/03/25/80aac9573a9f6b2c8d4b1b3d78f228ed.jpg
http://img.ie/images/2015/03/25/0f564d4be44f8a934495bf2137a465db.jpg
http://img.ie/images/2015/03/25/093afbb2dd5fa93b99f2d854d762af68.jpg

As the every other Balkanite folk clothes. There was basically two great Ottoman folklore region in the Balkan:

- Bulgaro-Serbo-Bosniak
- Albano-Vlacho-Greek

If I see their traditional clothings. The Albano-Vlacho-Greek is a little more European or post-Byzantine than the basically full Oriental Bulgaro-Serbo-Bosniak folklore. And yes, the closest relatives of the old Balkanite clothings were the Middle-Eastern clothings.

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 04:37 PM
You are half Croat, 1/4 Bosniak, 1/4 Schwabian?

More or less, yes.

Insuperable
03-25-2015, 04:39 PM
More or less, yes.

So much stories from you lately...At least fix your profile.

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 04:42 PM
So much stories from you lately...At least fix your profile.

I am Croatian. Lost ties to others. It's bugging me though.

Insuperable
03-25-2015, 04:49 PM
I am Croatian. Lost ties to others. It's bugging me though.

I just know that your stories, your love for more than one country, thing for Oriental music... and your ancestry above all and seeing your profile make me feel weird.

alb0zfinest
03-25-2015, 04:49 PM
Of course not Europe or more punctually not western or eastern European, but totally identical with the old Serbian clothes:

http://img.ie/images/2015/03/25/ea3115b6001c1bcba1487829a497144a.jpg
http://img.ie/images/2015/03/25/953d22d48f16b898a0d5e0bd7c47b6d8.jpg
http://img.ie/images/2015/03/25/80aac9573a9f6b2c8d4b1b3d78f228ed.jpg
http://img.ie/images/2015/03/25/0f564d4be44f8a934495bf2137a465db.jpg
http://img.ie/images/2015/03/25/093afbb2dd5fa93b99f2d854d762af68.jpg

As the every other Balkanite folk clothes. There was basically two great Ottoman folklore region in the Balkan:

- Bulgaro-Serbo-Bosniak
- Albano-Vlacho-Greek

If I see their traditional clothings. The Albano-Vlacho-Greek is a little more European or post-Byzantine than the basically full Oriental Bulgaro-Serbo-Bosniak folklore. And yes, the closest relatives of the old Balkanite clothings were the Middle-Eastern clothings.

Albanian folk clothing has nothing to do with the ottoman empire.

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 04:53 PM
I just know that your stories, your love for more than one country, thing for Oriental music... and your ancestry above all and seeing your profile make me feel weird.

But what about you, you probably love both Croatia and Herzegovina too.

Insuperable
03-25-2015, 04:57 PM
But what about you, you probably love both Croatia and Herzegovina too.

I like people from Herzegovina, Croats that is. Your point is mute.

Feiichy
03-25-2015, 05:00 PM
I like people from Herzegovina, Croats that is. Your point is mute.

Well, you won the debate.

blogen
03-25-2015, 05:03 PM
Albanian folk clothing has nothing to do with the ottoman empire.

I don't see the dominant pre-Ottoman elements in the Albano-Vlacho-Greek folklore.

Highlands
03-25-2015, 05:08 PM
You are so ungrateful! :D

The Albanians would not have been able to spread onto their present residence without the Ottoman invasion. Kosovo would be purely Serbian, Epirus is Vlacho-Greek and Vardar is Vlacho-Bulgarian. Two third the areas with significant Albanian population was not Albanian populated before the Ottoman era.

That's not true.
If you bother to analyze Albanian genetics, you will see there is a clear "native" marker for Kosovars. The more south you go into Kosovo, the more native paleo-balkan and Mediterranean - which isn't found in other Albanian populations. Albanians have always inhabited Kosovo, especially around the area of Prizren. Compare to Kosovo Serbs who plot almost with Polish people. Not even with Bulgarians.

alb0zfinest
03-25-2015, 05:15 PM
I don't see the dominant pre-Ottoman elements in the Albano-Vlacho-Greek folklore.

Except that the xhubleta (Albanian folk dress) is not found anywhere else except amongst Albanians. And neither is this Albanian folk clothing for men. At best you will find the same pants being worn amongst assimilated south slavs bordering Albanians. The same goes for the fustanella. And the same for the plis. I think you just don't know what the Albanian folk clothing looks like
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Illyrian/xhubleta2-veshje.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Prek_Cali.jpg/220px-Prek_Cali.jpg


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/79/94/15/79941547df7b29e17769f81f3452d531.jpg

blogen
03-25-2015, 06:39 PM
Except that the xhubleta (Albanian folk dress) is not found anywhere else except amongst Albanians. And neither is this Albanian folk clothing for men. At best you will find the same pants being worn amongst assimilated south slavs bordering Albanians. The same goes for the fustanella. And the same for the plis. I think you just don't know what the Albanian folk clothing looks like
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Illyrian/xhubleta2-veshje.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Prek_Cali.jpg/220px-Prek_Cali.jpg


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/79/94/15/79941547df7b29e17769f81f3452d531.jpg

That is a typical Ottoman shuit from the Balkan. All element of this clothing were part of the Ottoman age styles.

Pjeter Pan
03-25-2015, 06:40 PM
That is a typical Ottoman shuit from the Balkan. All element of this clothing were part of the Ottoman age styles.

you're a complete fucking moron

Stears
03-25-2015, 06:41 PM
near east (turkey and surrounding cultures/areas). if you think im trolling then you are racist dumb fuck who takes near east as insult. i dont say that balkans on average look west asian they look more european but culturally and mentally they are a intermediate between austro-hungarian/german/western culture and ottoman culture/mentality. i think in many ways they are close to turkish people. also many balkanites (especially muslims) bond with turks, they like eatch other, not so much on forums maybe but in real life. Austria-Hungary had no balkan territories, (except bosnia for a short time). Serbia remained a separate state, and it belonged to the Orthodox southern slavic world after the Ottoman era.

Stears
03-25-2015, 06:43 PM
That is a typical Ottoman shuit from the Balkan. All element of this clothing were part of the Ottoman age styles. Blogen, your alföld jassic-cuman territory was not able to adopt the Hungarian culture, you learned the Hungarian language, but your customs behavior and material culture remained foreigner in Hungary.

Minesweeper
03-25-2015, 06:48 PM
Don't care, just want to be separtated from Stears and the dirty race he belongs to.

Stears
03-25-2015, 07:05 PM
I've never seen Greece as being Balkanic either; I've always thought of Greece as being a Western European nation because it's referred to as the cradle of western civilisation. I think they're culturally more like Western Europe. Before the eurozone crisis happened, Greece had a good economy. Wrong. It was the center of hatred towards the western civilization after 1054. Average Orthodox people hated more the western christians (catholic protestants) than the muslism Ottomans. The greek west-hater attitude changed during their independence war against Ottoman Empire, where a lot of western (French British etc...) voluntary helped them to fight against the Ottomans.

blogen
03-25-2015, 07:22 PM
you're a complete fucking moron

Even the only not Ottoman origin costume, the Foustanella was trendy in the Ottoman times again in the Greeco-Vlacho-Albanian regions!

Kastrioti1443
03-25-2015, 07:24 PM
Even the only not Ottoman origin costume, the Foustanella was trendy in the Ottoman times again in the Greeco-Vlacho-Albanian regions!

Dude you are a subhuman, who thinks hungarians are some kind of lost mongol-turanid people in the middle of central europe and are proud of hungarian porn industry. You use the term ''grek'o'' or ''vlach'' without knowing their meaning.

Stears
03-25-2015, 07:52 PM
Don't care, just want to be separtated from Stears and the dirty race he belongs to. Just Look your average dark pigmentation. your weird less european balkan look, your semi-asian orthodox culture, and your less european balkanic gene poll. It is no wonder that Hungarians traditionally call the balkanites as gypsy folks.

Stears
03-25-2015, 07:53 PM
Dude you are a subhuman, who thinks hungarians are some kind of lost mongol-turanid people in the middle of central europe and are proud of hungarian porn industry. You use the term ''grek'o'' or ''vlach'' without knowing their meaning. Again, balkanites and you caucasians do not look european, you are swarthy people with non-european genetic-makup and primitive semi-asian culture. Non-white gypsy!

StormBringer
03-25-2015, 07:55 PM
We could assimilate Stears.There is potential.

Stears
03-25-2015, 07:58 PM
Culturally, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations. Hungary is a Central European country, and part of the Catholic-Protestant western civilization. Hungary is not Eastern European (Orthodox = semi-asian culture) country.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png


What is Western Civilization?
The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis”
After the Great Schism (The East-West Schism /formally in 1054/, between Western Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity.) Hungary determined itself as the easternmost bastion of Western civilisation (This statement was affirmed later by Pope Pius II who wrote that to Emperor Friedrich III, “Hungary is the shield of Christianity and the protector of Western civilization”)
It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development.
It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization.
The cultural the societal-system and the economical civilizational (and technological) differences between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.



MEMENTO:
Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:




1. POLITICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL development: Medieval appearance of parliaments (a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the beginning of human history), the estates of the realm, the clergy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clergy), the nobility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility), and the commoners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commoner),




2. SELF GOVERNMENT status of big royal/imperial cities, (local government systems of cities), which are the direct ancestors of modern self/local governmental systems.




3. ECONOMY: The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, the absolute dominance of money-economy (when the vast majority of trade based on money and the taxes customs duties were collected in money) from the 12th -13th century, instead of the former primitive bartel-based commerce (barter dominated the economies orthodox world until the 17-18th centuries.)






4. HIGHER EDUCATION: The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of secular intellectuals,






5. CULTURE: Knights, the knight-culture, chivalric code, (and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,)
Music and literature: courtly love, troubadours, Gregorian chant, Ars nova, Organum, Motet, Madrigal, Canon and Ballata, Liturgical drama, Novellas,
medieval western THEATER: Mystery or cycle plays, morality and passion plays, which developed into the renaissance theater, the direct ancestor of modern theaters.
Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,



6. The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,



7. TECHNOLOGY: The guild system is an association of artisans or merchants, which organized the training education, and directed master's exam system for artisians. Due to the compulsory foreign studies of the artisian master's candidates, the guilds played key role in the fast spread of technologies and industrial knowledge in the medieval Western World.



8. The defence systems & fortifications: The spread of stone/brick castle defense -systems, the town-walls of western cities from the 11th century. (In the orthodox world, only the capital cities had such a walls . The countries of the Balkan region and the territory of Russian states fell under Ottoman/Mongolian rule very rapidly - with a single decesive open-field battle - due to the lack of the networks of stone/brick castles and fortresses in these countries. The only exception was the greek inhabited Byzantine territories which were well fortified.)



9. FINEARTS and ARCHITECTURE: western architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: the Romanesque style, the Gothic style and the Renaissance style.
The orthodox church buildings and „palaces(?)” were very little, they had primitive structure and poor decorations, their style were influenced by non-European arabic and persian influenced Byzantine ornamentics.







The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.
Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century.
Their infrastructural and economic development was also very very slow, many determinant factors of civilization (railways, the electrification of cities, drain & sewer systems, water pipe systems, telecommuncations etc... spreaded many many decades (60-80 years) later. It is no wonder that their contribution in science technology and innovations are completly negligible in Human history by the WESTERN standards.

Era
03-25-2015, 08:03 PM
There's no such thing as Balkan mentality. I see no similarities with any of of them.

Styrian Mujo
03-25-2015, 08:04 PM
Balkan (east of Croatia) culture is closer to Turkish and Caucasian culture than to western European culture but closer to the later than to the Arab world of course. After all the Balkans is defined by the Ottoman imperial heritage but even before the expansion of the Ottoman empire the majority of what is now considered Balkan was part of the eastern Christian world and not part of the western Frankish and Roman Christendom.

Styrian Mujo
03-25-2015, 08:05 PM
There's no such thing as Balkan mentality. I see no similarities with any of of them.
I find that quite the opposite is true.

Minesweeper
03-25-2015, 08:06 PM
Just Look your average dark pigmentation. your weird less european balkan look, your semi-asian orthodox culture, and your less european balkanic gene poll. It is no wonder that Hungarians traditionally call the balkanites as gypsy folks.

We share Asian genes brother, let's not fight over few drops of blood. :D

StormBringer
03-25-2015, 08:06 PM
Nvm. Misinterpreted the map

blogen
03-25-2015, 08:09 PM
Dude you are a subhuman, who thinks hungarians are some kind of lost mongol-turanid people in the middle of central europe and are proud of hungarian porn industry. You use the term ''grek'o'' or ''vlach'' without knowing their meaning.

Dear Albanian goatfucker! Go and fuck your goats! Oh, sorry, the damned Albo refugees don't have goats when they sneak on the Hungarian border into the civilizaton. A short message for your nation from a Hungarian bus station:

http://jarokelo.hu/_data/_media_images/867fed5f0c2e6b22d034accbf2e50e32dbeec3b9.jpg
("Get out with the parasitic garbage migrants, shot a Kosovar rat!")

Stears
03-25-2015, 08:18 PM
We share Asian genes brother, let's not fight over few drops of blood. :D

Pffff.

Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but all Northern Germanic nations (incl. Northern Germany too) have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the largest genetic database and CHART of European nations:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

And see the high ratio of middle-eastern haplogroup markers (various „J”) and african negroid (E1b1) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania). De facto, these nations populations genetically are less European than Hungarians.







Dodecad Autosomal genetic researches:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TQi3F5YM3QI/AAAAAAAADDE/fFHcxFpL6gI/s1600/ADMIXTURE_15.png


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3cndwjJ_-Nc/Te9zmB25uKI/AAAAAAAAAhE/Jy_wc5x6tPo/s1600/ADMIXTURE_12.png


That's why balkanites look weird by Western European standards.

Pahli
03-25-2015, 08:21 PM
Balkan (east of Croatia) culture is closer to Turkish and Caucasian culture than to western European culture but closer to the later than to the Arab world of course. After all the Balkans is defined by the Ottoman imperial heritage but even before the expansion of the Ottoman empire the majority of what is now considered Balkan was part of the eastern Christian world and not part of the western Frankish and Roman Christendom.

Only Bosniaks, Sandzaks and some muslim Albanians are close to Turkish culture.

Minesweeper
03-25-2015, 08:22 PM
Pffff.


Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but all Northern Germanic nations (incl. Northern Germany too) have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the largest genetic database and CHART of European nations:




And see the high ratio of middle-eastern haplogroup markers (various „J”) and african negroid (E1b1) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania).





Dodecad Autosomal genetic researches:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TQi3F5YM3QI/AAAAAAAADDE/fFHcxFpL6gI/s1600/ADMIXTURE_15.png


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3cndwjJ_-Nc/Te9zmB25uKI/AAAAAAAAAhE/Jy_wc5x6tPo/s1600/ADMIXTURE_12.png


That's why balkanites look weird by Western European standards.

Let's honor the great Khans borther! Who cares about Western Europe and the multiculti paradise.

Stears
03-25-2015, 08:23 PM
Skin tone map:
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png


Hair color map
http://uclahealthservices.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hair_color_map_europe.png


Eye color map:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ilng4Lm9CI0/UKoaYrEoD_I/AAAAAAAAATw/8NebRqUEAOk/s1600/eyecolour.png

Styrian Mujo
03-25-2015, 08:24 PM
Only Bosniaks, Sandzaks and some muslim Albanians are close to Turkish culture.
Yeah Serbs and Bulgarians are closer to French and German peoples and are completly different from Bosniaks and Albanians:rolleyes:

pelikarski
03-25-2015, 08:27 PM
Closer to other Europeans with few exceptions of people with Oriental outlook and behavior

Dylan
03-25-2015, 08:30 PM
Sometimes they remind me of Basques, but this has more to do with national conflicts than any real sort of cultural similarities.

Stears
03-25-2015, 08:34 PM
Closer to other Europeans with few exceptions of people with Oriental outlook and behavior

And their culture? They are in different (orthodox) civilization.And their genetic.make-up?

Kastrioti1443
09-19-2015, 03:54 PM
Only Bosniaks, Sandzaks and some muslim Albanians are close to Turkish culture.

I do not know what 'turkish culture' is since turkish culture is itself a mix of different things, but if on culture we mean dances, national or folk costumes, mythology, legends, language, epic stories, mentality, honor values, muslim Albanians are of course much nearer to other Albanians than anyone else.


bullshit maps not based on any study

A real pigmentation map of Europe done 80 years ago, based totally on native populations from villages. It took 10 years to complete this study.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Map_pigmentation_in_Europe.png

Imamudin
09-19-2015, 04:02 PM
Balkan (east of Croatia) culture is closer to Turkish and Caucasian culture than to western European culture but closer to the later than to the Arab world of course. After all the Balkans is defined by the Ottoman imperial heritage but even before the expansion of the Ottoman empire the majority of what is now considered Balkan was part of the eastern Christian world and not part of the western Frankish and Roman Christendom.

The Caucasus is a completely foreign world from Turkey or the Balkans.

Pahli
09-19-2015, 04:19 PM
I do not know what 'turkish culture' is since turkish culture is itself a mix of different things, but if on culture we mean dances, national or folk costumes, mythology, legends, language, epic stories, mentality, honor values, muslim Albanians are of course much nearer to other Albanians than anyone else.

Thats only why I wrote some, I guess the majority are closer to Albanians than Turks :)

Stears
09-19-2015, 05:37 PM
I do not know what 'turkish culture' is since turkish culture is itself a mix of different things, but if on culture we mean dances, national or folk costumes, mythology, legends, language, epic stories, mentality, honor values, muslim Albanians are of course much nearer to other Albanians than anyone else.



A real pigmentation map of Europe done 80 years ago, based totally on native populations from villages. It took 10 years to complete this study.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Map_pigmentation_in_Europe.png

fantasy map.