Iranians were considered Aryans by Hitler and Nazi Regime

[Mortimer]

I think they are caucasians and indo-europeans so it could make sense

[Aleida]

AND Inscription of Darius the Great at Naqsh-e- Rostam:

''I am Darius the Great King, King of Kings, King of countries containing all kinds of men, King in this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenian, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage.''

[N1019]

It was vacuous rhetoric for strategic purposes, and the Persians loved it. Germany had become Persia's main trading partner by the late 1930s and they wanted good relations with Persia for their own benefit. The Persians, for their part, had been playing off Britain, Russia and Germany against each other since the 1920s. In the short term it benefited Persia but eventually led to disaster. You can't get away with playing off imperial powers against each other forever.

For Persians, Aryanism was more cultural, whereas for the Germans it was genetic pseudoscience. This led to clashes over the classification of Persian Jews, whom the Persians insisted be classed as Aryan! There was heated debate about whether Persia should be accepted as Aryan at all, but to classify Persian Jews as Aryan was unthinkable.

Reza Shah's flirtation with Hitler ultimately cost him the throne when Britain and Russia decided to invade Iran in 1941. The British reluctantly chose Reza (Khan) Shah's son, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, to replace him and the risks associated with Germany's influence were eliminated. Britain and later America became firmly entrenched as the dominant imperial power in Iran from 1941 to 1979. As the Anglo-Americans began to lose control of Persia again - this time under Mohammad Reza Shah - it is widely held that they sought to discredit, undermine and remove him as part of broader changes for the entire Middle East that involved the use of religious extremism and sectarian tension on an unprecedented scale.

Without the need to worry about condemnation for the Holocaust from Iran, Germany and Iran retain a relatively good relationship to this day. Many Iranians still draw attention to their Aryanism, to contrast them against the Arabs. The Germans are happy to do business with Iran and many German tourists visit each year. However, they are reluctant to indulge ongoing references to Aryanism from Iran with substantive responses.

Iranians should stop and think about what Germany might have done to Iran had it won the war in Europe or become more desperate to access Iranian oil, etc.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

For Persians, Aryanism was more cultural, whereas for the Germans it was genetic pseudoscience.

If there's anything that got proved by the advent of genetics, it's that europeans and aryans are basically the same. Aryans = r1a peoples.East europe and all central area were indo iranian.

And that is something I didn't really expect. There was no "aryan invasian" though, it turns out to go back many thousands of years. Persians also definitely came down out of plains as well, there's not really any doubt.

[Boz-hakan]

If there's anything that got proved by the advent of genetics, it's that europeans and aryans are basically the same. Aryans = r1a peoples.East europe and all central area were indo iranian.

And that is something I didn't really expect. There was no "aryan invasian" though, it turns out to go back many thousands of years. Persians also definitely came down out of plains as well, there's not really any doubt.

Do you believe in "Out of Iran" theory? Or Anatolian hypothesis? Iran is the source of R1*?

According to Eupedia:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Iran: R1a 16.5%, R1b 6.5%, and G 10%. Only 1/3 of Iran's population is related to Aryans (have Aryan ancestry). Looks like a Aryanized country than a source.

[gültekin]

Do you believe in "Out of Iran" theory? Or Anatolian hypothesis? Iran is the source of R1*?

According to Eupedia:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Iran: R1a 16.5%, R1b 6.5%, and G 10%. Only 1/3 of Iran's population is related to Aryans (have Aryan ancestry). Looks like a Aryanized country than a source.
Iranian =/= Persian. those R's in iran belongs to azeris. persians score J
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iranian%20Y-DNA/default.aspx?section=yresults
and here the Yamnaya_K6 results
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/t2r0i5osPUBUWT7BexFltxw/htmlview?pli=1

[Boz-hakan]

Iran=/= Persian. those R's in iran belongs to azeris. persians score J
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iranian%20Y-DNA/default.aspx?section=yresults

So Azeris were Aryan? But in the Eupedia link Azeris (from Azerbaijan) are 7% R1a and 11% R1b, not much. Also, it's about the whole population of Iran, not a specific ethnic group. Eastern Iranians have a high amount of R1a, and they are not Azeri, but Persian.

Also, these maps show both group have R1a, specially Tajiks and Afghan Persians:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg/800px-Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Frequency_of_R1a_in_Europe.png/800px-Frequency_of_R1a_in_Europe.png

And you see other Persian-speaking (and other Iranic-speaking) Areas have that hg too.

[finþaų]

Stop it you guys, you're going to kill a bunch of Iranians by giving them a dopamine overdose.

[gültekin]

So Azeris were Aryan? .
of course not , that is the point ;)

But in the Eupedia link Azeris (from Azerbaijan) are 7% R1a and 11% R1b, not much. Also, it's about the whole population of Iran, not a specific ethnic group. Eastern Iranians have a high amount of R1a, and they are not Azeri, but Persian.

Also, these maps show both group have R1a, specially Tajiks and Afghan Persians:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg/800px-Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Frequency_of_R1a_in_Europe.png/800px-Frequency_of_R1a_in_Europe.png

And you see other Persian-speaking (and other Iranic-speaking) Areas have that hg too
those results of Iran is not just about Persians, they put anyone in the same bag,everyone can paint some such maps, just believe on what you can see with your own eyes,
like that
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iranian%20Y-DNA/default.aspx?section=yresults

[Kamal900]

So are the gypsies, and they were hated in Nazi Germany. I know that there are OWD Persians(i personally even know some in real life who like to claim they look Italian) who cream themselves every time they hear that to associate themselves to whites and etc, but the Persians i know here are more darker than the Syrian and the Lebanese people who are Semites. Being an Aryan is just a cultural term, nothing more. There's nothing remotely special about that term either.

[7eleven]

Who cares? Hitler was a dumb ass power hungry cunt.

[Austrvegr]

Iranians were considered Aryans by Hitler and Nazi Regime

No, they were not. Only European Indo-Europeans were considered Aryans by Hitler and Nazi Regime.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Who cares what this motherfucker thought ?

[Stimpy]

For Persians, Aryanism was more cultural, whereas for the Germans it was genetic pseudoscience.

Some early Indo-European remains found in it's urheimat tested are pretty much NorthEast-Europeans genetically + very minor other admixture.

[Turkey Cyrus]

No, they were not. Only European Indo-Europeans were considered Aryans by Hitler and Nazi Regime.

Yeah... Slavic peoples were #1 in his list. Specially Polish and Russian. :lol00002: Did you read Alfred Rosenberg's articles (one of the Nazi theorist), dumbass? :love:

[Turkey Cyrus]

this is how Iranians themselves interpretate "Aryans"..

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/aryans

the designation stretches from Alani, Iran to India.

in Europe, Serbs and Croats are descended from Alani.

Delusional theory by Croat and Serbian pseudoscientist. You're Slav. Period. :thumb001:

[Turkey Cyrus]

Some early Indo-European remains found in it's urheimat tested are pretty much NorthEast-Europeans genetically + very minor other admixture.

Hitler had a different definition for Aryan: Purest Aryans = Germans.

[Austrvegr]

Yeah... Slavic peoples were #1 in his list. Specially Polish and Russian. Did you read Alfred Rosenberg's articles (one of the Nazi theorist), dumbass? :love:

No, Germanic peoples were #1 in his list. Especially Germanic Ashkenazim.

:lol00002:

[Austrvegr]

Hitler had a different definition for Aryan: Purest Aryans = Germans.

In Nazi Germany, Aryans = Europeans.

Non-Europeans = non-Aryans.

[Learning_Genetics]

It is not surprising that they could be given such a classification. Nazi Germany did not base its ideas of race on Anglo-Saxon terms. In America it was all about 'whites' and non-'whites' but the Nazis only cared whether or not someone was Aryan.

[Imamudin]

They have divided into Indo Aryans (Tajiks etc) and European Aryans (Germans, Slavs, French, etc)

[Stimpy]

Hitler had a different definition for Aryan: Purest Aryans = Germans.

Actually he considered some Scandinavians even ''purer'' or at least the same.

[Imamudin]

Actually he considered some Scandinavians even ''purer'' or at least the same.

He considered them actually as equal with Germans since there have been a lot Germans with Nordic phenotype before WW2, and much more than all Scandinavians together.

[Austrvegr]

It is not surprising that they could be given such a classification. Nazi Germany did not base its ideas of race on Anglo-Saxon terms. In America it was all about 'whites' and non-'whites' but the Nazis only cared whether or not someone was Aryan.

And Aryans to them were Europeans.

[Taiga Lake]

Nazis and muslims are the best friends.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101III-Mielke-036-23,_Waffen-SS,_13._Gebirgs-Div._%22Handschar%22.jpg

http://www.truthandgrace.com/Images/muslimhate70.jpg

[StonyArabia]

So are the gypsies, and they were hated in Nazi Germany. I know that there are OWD Persians(i personally even know some in real life who like to claim they look Italian) who cream themselves every time they hear that to associate themselves to whites and etc, but the Persians i know here are more darker than the Syrian and the Lebanese people who are Semites. Being an Aryan is just a cultural term, nothing more. There's nothing remotely special about that term either.

Well said brother well said.

[coolstorybro]

First of all, Hitler considered the Scandinavians to be the purest of the white races, therefore also the purest Aryans.

Hitler's idea of race were not particularly German but based on research and writing of primarily American greats such as Maddison Grant who wrote the father of all Nordicist books called 'The Passing of the Great Race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race)' which you can still find easily online.

The German contribution to Nordicism and race theory was mainly scientific in the form of physical antrophology which all of you use on this forum. The ideological and political fathers were mainly American white.

It's fairly clear today that the modern day Iranians are not like the Iranians at the time of Darius and Xerxes. Like everywhere else in the region, they have been mixed heavily with arabs who invaded. This likewise goes for North Africans who have also lost most of their original genetic heritage.

Some Iranians are still very white and european looking, but they are a minority. A majority of Iranians are brown, such as the president Achmedjinedad who no one would claim to be Aryan.

[Pahli]

First of all, Hitler considered the Scandinavians to be the purest of the white races, therefore also the purest Aryans.

Hitler's idea of race were not particularly German but based on research and writing of primarily American greats such as Maddison Grant who wrote the father of all Nordicist books called 'The Passing of the Great Race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race)' which you can still find easily online.

The German contribution to Nordicism and race theory was mainly scientific in the form of physical antrophology which all of you use on this forum. The ideological and political fathers were mainly American white.

It's fairly clear today that the modern day Iranians are not like the Iranians at the time of Darius and Xerxes. Like everywhere else in the region, they have been mixed heavily with arabs who invaded. This likewise goes for North Africans who have also lost most of their original genetic heritage.

Some Iranians are still very white and european looking, but they are a minority. A majority of Iranians are brown, such as the president Achmedjinedad who no one would claim to be Aryan.

They didn't mix heavily with Arabs. They are brown because they live in hot climates. This is why the Iranians in the mountains or in north are whiter than those in South Iran. Same goes for Kurds. Its basically all about pigmentation.

[coolstorybro]

In short, if you want to know if someone is Aryan then you look at how many in a population have blue/light eyes.

Light eyes, in particular blue, are the royal mark of the Aryan.

[Shah-Jehan]

First of all, Hitler considered the Scandinavians to be the purest of the white races, therefore also the purest Aryans.

Hitler's idea of race were not particularly German but based on research and writing of primarily American greats such as Maddison Grant who wrote the father of all Nordicist books called 'The Passing of the Great Race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race)' which you can still find easily online.

The German contribution to Nordicism and race theory was mainly scientific in the form of physical antrophology which all of you use on this forum. The ideological and political fathers were mainly American white.

It's fairly clear today that the modern day Iranians are not like the Iranians at the time of Darius and Xerxes. Like everywhere else in the region, they have been mixed heavily with arabs who invaded. This likewise goes for North Africans who have also lost most of their original genetic heritage.

Some Iranians are still very white and european looking, but they are a minority. A majority of Iranians are brown, such as the president Achmedjinedad who no one would claim to be Aryan.

mixed with Arabs xD

then why do Zoroastrian Persians who have been Zoroastrian since time immemorial look identical to their Muslim Persian counterparts?

[Shah-Jehan]

In short, if you want to know if someone is Aryan then you look at how many in a population have blue/light eyes.

Light eyes, in particular blue, are the royal mark of the Aryan.

so basically semitic levantine Arabs are more "aryan" than Iranians since they have more light eyes even though Iranians speak an Indo-European language.

[Pahli]

In short, if you want to know if someone is Aryan then you look at how many in a population have blue/light eyes.

Light eyes, in particular blue, are the royal mark of the Aryan.

False. Pigmentation changes skin colour, hair colour AND has effects on eye colour. A lot of Iranians probably carry the genetics for it, but brown hair and brown eyes are the strongest genes.

[coolstorybro]

They didn't mix heavily with Arabs. They are brown because they live in hot climates. This is why the Iranians in the mountains or in north are whiter than those in South Iran. Same goes for Kurds. Its basically all about pigmentation.

Disagree.

Then why are Eskimoes not light eyed and light skinned? Most people living along the polar circle are Mongoloid with brown eyes and light brown/yellow skin.

Why do the Japanese have the whitest skin of all in Asia, despite living further to the south?

White skin is remains from a yet to be identified very early hominind influence, most likely some sort of Neanderthal. The Japanese as you might know are a mixed people, before the Han Chinese migrated into Japan, there lived a people called Jomon who looked practically like Europeans.

Here is a (mixed) Jomon japanese:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/abe_hiroshi.jpg

However, as I said, it's the blue eyes and NOT the white skin that is the royal mark of the Aryan. As blue eyes are recessive, they can skip several generations, but if no one around you has light grey, green, blue eyes, then you are very likely not an Aryan.

The Yazidi people of Iraq are also aryan, want to know what they look like:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/14/article-2724658-2084D29B00000578-826_964x641.jpg

Thats an Aryan!

Get back to me when you find a modern Iranian who looks like that.

[Pennywise]

They didn't mix heavily with Arabs. They are brown because they live in hot climates. This is why the Iranians in the mountains or in north are whiter than those in South Iran. Same goes for Kurds. Its basically all about pigmentation.

pigmentation is not about climate. it's about genetics. and there is no such thing as "aryan". it's a stupid 20th century concept. only idiots like you still think themselves as aryan. :picard1:

[Pahli]

Disagree.

Then why are Eskimoes not light eyed and light skinned? Most people living along the polar circle are Mongoloid with brown eyes and light brown/yellow skin.

Why do the Japanese have the whitest skin of all in Asia, despite living further to the south?

White skin is remains from a yet to be identified very early hominind influence, most likely some sort of Neanderthal. The Japanese as you might know are a mixed people, before the Han Chinese migrated into Japan, there lived a people called Jomon who looked practically like Europeans.

Here is a (mixed) Jomon japanese:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/abe_hiroshi.jpg

However, as I said, it's the blue eyes and NOT the white skin that is the royal mark of the Aryan. As blue eyes are recessive, they can skip several generations, but if no one around you has light grey, green, blue eyes, then you are very likely not an Aryan.

The Yazidi people of Iraq are also aryan, want to know what they look like:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/14/article-2724658-2084D29B00000578-826_964x641.jpg

Thats an Aryan!

Get back to me when you find a modern Iranian who looks like that.

So no blue eyes = not Aryan? How logical is that? Its the same with many Europeans.

[coolstorybro]

False. Pigmentation changes skin colour, hair colour AND has effects on eye colour. A lot of Iranians probably carry the genetics for it, but brown hair and brown eyes are the strongest genes.

False.

There is only one source of light eyes, only one, has never been more than one, and that source is Nordic.

The entire rest of the world has brown eyes and brown hair (not counting mutation and albinos).

Light eyes, in particular blue, are without exception from Aryans and Nordics.

[Shah-Jehan]

Disagree.

Then why are Eskimoes not light eyed and light skinned? Most people living along the polar circle are Mongoloid with brown eyes and light brown/yellow skin.

Why do the Japanese have the whitest skin of all in Asia, despite living further to the south?

White skin is remains from a yet to be identified very early hominind influence, most likely some sort of Neanderthal. The Japanese as you might know are a mixed people, before the Han Chinese migrated into Japan, there lived a people called Jomon who looked practically like Europeans.

Here is a (mixed) Jomon japanese:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/kinnchii/abe_hiroshi.jpg

However, as I said, it's the blue eyes and NOT the white skin that is the royal mark of the Aryan. As blue eyes are recessive, they can skip several generations, but if no one around you has light grey, green, blue eyes, then you are very likely not an Aryan.

The Yazidi people of Iraq are also aryan, want to know what they look like:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/14/article-2724658-2084D29B00000578-826_964x641.jpg

Thats an Aryan!

Get back to me when you find a modern Iranian who looks like that.

http://i47.tinypic.com/eslsmp.jpg
http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/Others/Ramin.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5225/5619507792_8c3a40c3e9.jpg
http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ali-larijani-the-chairman-of-the-iranian-parliament.jpg

[Pahli]

pigmentation is not about climate. it's about genetics. and there is no such thing as "aryan". it's a stupid 20th century concept. only idiots like you still think themselves as aryan. :picard1:

Do you even know what Aryan is. Yes I consider myself Aryan, and I could care less about what you slanty eyed fucker think, because you're so jelly about Iranians. So jelly that you steal our history and claim that Scythians and Sarmatians are Turkic xD

[Shah-Jehan]

They still have the same features as any other Iranian, but depigmented like the Yazidi girl posted. BTW, coolstory, also answer my points.

[Pennywise]

Do you even know what Aryan is. Yes I consider myself Aryan, and I could care less about what you slanty eyed fucker think, because you're so jelly about Iranians. So jelly that you steal our history and claim that Scythians and Sarmatians are Turkic xD

:lol00002:

you are killing me. an ape smarter than you.

[coolstorybro]

So no blue eyes = not Aryan? How logical is that? Its the same with many Europeans.

Most Europeans carry genes for blue eyes, they are just not expressed as you say they are recessive.

The point is, if you have children with a beautiful Swedish blonde and the children can have light eyes, then you're an Aryan. If your children every time would get brown eyes, then you're not an Aryan. If I have 100 children with an Asian woman, all my children will have brown eyes, unless the blue eyed gene is somewhere in her family line and the blue eyes only originate and have only ever existed in Nordic populations. Therefore, ability to have light eyed children = Aryan.

[Alan Weiss]

I think they are caucasians and indo-europeans so it could make sense
Bangladeshis are indo-europians and so are Pakistanis/Indians.
They're all Caucasians too..
Hitler was a retard that had absolutely no idea what the word "Aryan" meant...

[coolstorybro]

http://i47.tinypic.com/eslsmp.jpg
http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/Others/Ramin.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5225/5619507792_8c3a40c3e9.jpg
http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ali-larijani-the-chairman-of-the-iranian-parliament.jpg

All are Aryans - congratulation.

Each of those can have children with light eyes with the swedish blonde = Aryan.

We all know that's a minority in Iran. A lot of Iranians resemble Indians more than Europeans with different facial structure and more of an oriental impression. Achmedjinedad looks practically Asian, belongs somewhere in Central Asia.

[Pahli]

:lol00002:

you are killing me. an ape smarter than you.

I like your signature, now stop wasting your time and seek a doctor with your mental illness.

[coolstorybro]

Bangladeshis are indo-europians and so are Pakistanis/Indians.
They're all Caucasians too..
Hitler was a retard that had absolutely no idea what the word "Aryan" meant...

You're by far the worst poster on this board and it only took me two days to spot it.

You're saying that the Australasians in India are caucassian? Stop posting seriously.

[Shah-Jehan]

All are Aryans - congratulation.

Each of those can have children with light eyes with the swedish blonde = Aryan.

We all know that's a minority in Iran. A lot of Iranians resemble Indians more than Europeans with different facial structure and more of an oriental impression. Achmedjinedad looks practically Asian, belongs somewhere in Central Asia.

obviously they are a minority in Iran, well the pigmentation is but their features are 100% Iranian and they have NO chance of fitting in anywhere in Europe.

Ahmedinejad is Persian and central Asia before Turkic migration was Iranian speaking, yes, so yeah he fits way better in central asian nations like Tajikistan than Europe (the Tajiks are central Asian Persians incase you are ignorant about that too).

[Pahli]

obviously they are a minority in Iran, well the pigmentation is but their features are 100% Iranian and they have NO chance of fitting in anywhere in Europe.

Ahmedinejad is Persian and central Asia before Turkic migration was Iranian speaking, yes, so yeah he fits way better in central asian nations like Tajikistan than Europe (the Tajiks are central Asian Persians incase you are ignorant about that too).

Some do, some don't. Most Central Asian Iranians are either dead, assimilated or Tajiks now.

[Shah-Jehan]

Some do, some don't. Most Central Asian Iranians are either dead, assimilated or Tajiks now.

In afghanistan, the term Tajik is synonymous with Farsi and they call themselves Farsi most of the time and they number double that of the population of Tajikistan.

[Pahli]

In afghanistan, the term Tajik is synonymous with Farsi and they call themselves Farsi most of the time and they number double that of the population of Tajikistan.

Isn't that Pashtuns?

[Shah-Jehan]

Isn't that Pashtuns?

Pashtuns speak Pashto, Tajik/Dari Persians speak Dari Farsi.

[coolstorybro]

obviously they are a minority in Iran, well the pigmentation is but their features are 100% Iranian and they have NO chance of fitting in anywhere in Europe.

Ahmedinejad is Persian and central Asia before Turkic migration was Iranian speaking, yes, so yeah he fits way better in central asian nations like Tajikistan than Europe (the Tajiks are central Asian Persians incase you are ignorant about that too).

They don't fit in because of their light brown eyes which are uncommon in Europe. Several of them would easily fit in to Russia for example with their mixed population. Their skin is light and their facial features are mostly European. If someone asked me where they were from I might guess something like Romania.

[Shah-Jehan]

They don't fit in because of their light brown eyes which are uncommon in Europe. Several of them would easily fit in to Russia for example with their mixed population. Their skin is light and their facial features are mostly European. If someone asked me where they were from I might guess something like Romania.

Russians and Romanians would laugh at that prospect...there are European looking Iranians but the ones I posted aren't one of them.

[Demhat]

Our wannabe Aryan, Semi Mongols in denial seem to be playing around with data they have no clue about.

So All the R* in Iran is Azeri? Yeah next you will claim it came with the Qashgai and Turkomans to Iran, and has nothing to do with the Azeris Iranic origin.

Qashgai and Turkomans in Iran are predominantly Q* and other Asiatic haplogroups.
Most R1a* is found among the Balochis. And the only Azeris with extremely high R1* are those in the Mahabad/West "Azerbaijan" province which is actually predominantly Kurdish. Probably taken by assimilated Kurds. The other Azeris have less.

And don't juggle with data you have no clue about. Eurogenes K6 Yamna data is not worth any look, because it is biased and contradicts the actual study. But than even this Eurogenes paper talks about supposed direct Yamna(related) ancestry. You can have twice as much direct Yamna ancestry and still be genetically further away. If the rest of your genetic ancestry is more foreign. That is why Lezgians are based on fst in the peer reviewed original paper closer, despite having less direct Yamna ancestry compared to Pathans or Lithuanians according to Eurogenes, which I don't take serious because it is biased and contradicts the Haak paper.

Based on fst Distance the Iranians are closer to Yamna. Yamna had 27% Gedrosia (+4% Caucasus) more similar to Iranians with 30% than Turks who only have 16%.

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/02/10/013433

[coolstorybro]

What is the genetic makeup of Kurds?

[Demhat]

What is the genetic makeup of Kurds?

Do you mean by Haplogroups? pred. R1a/R1b, J2 with allot of I, G*, E1b*, J1 and other minor pred. West Eurasian Haplogroups such as T, R2, L, Q1b.

The interesting part is Kurds have some of the most archaic, ancestral subbranches of R1*, R1a*(m420) , R1b* (m343), J* and G*.

[coolstorybro]

Do you mean by Haplogroups? pred. R1a/R1b, J2 with allot of I, G*, E1b*, J1 and other minor pred. West Eurasian Haplogroups such as T, R2, L, Q1b.

The interesting part is Kurds have some of the most archaic, ancestral subbranches of R1*, R1a*(m420) , R1b* (m343), J2 and G.

Translate to normal language please.

Genetic maps show me R1b which is actually West Europe, likely archaic hunter gatherer, but little of R1a - the aryan steppe dna.

[Demhat]

Translate to normal language please.

Genetic maps show me R1b which is actually West Europe, likely archaic hunter gatherer, but little of R1a - the aryan steppe dna.

It would take too much time to explain the single Haplogroups now. R1a in Western Asia is most frequent among Baloch and Kurds. R1b is not H&G where did you got that from?

The most archaic R1b, all upstream from m269 (expect V88 which is found in Africa too) is only found in Western and South_Central Asia, while M343 pred. in Western Asia. And signifcantly among Kurds.

We know from the last few years that R1b was not found in Europe before late Neolithic/Bronze Age.

H&G were all I2 and C.

[Black Wolf]

And? Who cares?

[Alan Weiss]

Hitler blew his brains out after getting 6 million Germans killed and destroying every major city in Germany.
I'm pretty sure that qualifys him as a loser...
My point is who cares what he thought of Iranians?

[Demhat]

Some early Indo-European remains found in it's urheimat tested are pretty much NorthEast-Europeans genetically + very minor other admixture.

You call 30+% West Asian admixture, what is quite within West Asian standards (30-60%) and 1/3 of your whole ancestry, "minor"? Interesting. And don't take the admixture results from bloggers too serious. They are sometimes biased. Using lower Ks is just absolute bullshit. And these components are not good for ancient groups such as Yamna and are made for modern populations. That is why Lazaridis and the team used whole new components (Not even the ANE/WHG/EEF). Especially not K6 which only can distinguish between SSA, "European", "Near Eastern", Amerindian and East Asians and what again depends on the refference populations used for these components. The original Haak paper uses k16.

[Demhat]

In short, if you want to know if someone is Aryan then you look at how many in a population have blue/light eyes.

Light eyes, in particular blue, are the royal mark of the Aryan.

Yamna were by ~78% brown eyed, and ~22% light eyed(while that is not even sure ~18% were AG in Rs12913832, this gives a chance of 67% for light eyes). And pred. dark haired.

I am AG in the Rs12913832 SNP and therefore even I am among the "lighter" spectrum by Yamna standards.

Corded Ware was also pred. "Dark". Only Andronovo was already significantly light (by 60%).

scientist such as Reich, Lazaridis, Haak are speculating that Yamna might not be the ultimate source of all Indo Europeans. It might just be one part of the bigger PIE people.

[SKYNET]

better iranian than turdish

[Demhat]

so basically semitic levantine Arabs are more "aryan" than Iranians since they have more light eyes even though Iranians speak an Indo-European language.

They don't have more light eyes. Gilgamesh personal experience might differ from the average. I have seen more Iranians with light hair/eye.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eqhQhrOT-Ck/UAAA-9E-B0I/AAAAAAAAABc/o-4yE8Ou6i4/s1600/europe-eyes-general--lig.png
The average Levantine/Iranian have similar high frequency of light eyes (expect Israelis).

[Axel9]

Read these links and cure your "Aryan syndrome", both Iranians and Nordicists/Euro-centrists. Aryan is a cultural name. An ethnicity, not race or purity:

Aryans (http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/aryans)

Aryan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan)

Only Hindus, Zoroastrians and related groups (e.g. Yazdanists and people who believe in Mithra) are Aryan. Because Aryan is a culture identity, if you lost it, it's useless for you.

[coolstorybro]

Hitler blew his brains out after getting 6 million Germans killed and destroying every major city in Germany.
I'm pretty sure that qualifys him as a loser...
My point is who cares what he thought of Iranians?

Lol no he didn't. The only proof we have of Hitler's suicide is the KGB and Sovjets, who 40 years later had DNA testing done on his skull, which came out to be a woman.

Hitler, like the rest of the SS, might very well have fled to Argentina or Brazil.

[coolstorybro]

Aryan is both a cultural epithet and subrace.

It is the name the white nordic people of the Caucasus steppe gave themselves as they migrated into Europe, Iran and later India.

Also, kurdish dude, break it down simple without being dishonest. Who are Kurds closest related to and if you're distinct from the rest of the area, why in gods name are you still following that backwards religion?

[Mortimer]

Aryan is both a cultural epithet and subrace.

It is the name the white nordic people of the Caucasus steppe gave themselves as they migrated into Europe, Iran and later India.

Also, kurdish dude, break it down simple without being dishonest. Who are Kurds closest related to and if you're distinct from the rest of the area, why in gods name are you still following that backwards religion?

it means different things to different people for hitler it meant european and german (not all germans are nordic) so basically white, he even extended it to berbers and iranians (if im not wrong but read it often) it means what today means non-jewish white of fully european ancestry (stormfront) hitler called it aryan to distinguish from jews who are also white "aryan - jew" but today its called non-jewish white among racists. as to the historical indo-aryans there are lots of questions left to me, from what i read they were not pure nordid not even pure european as they were half westasian like and they had mostly dark pigmentation with proto-europid/cromagnid skulls which could also be seen as well as armenoid or indobrachid especially the second guy in that classification thread but was classified as east-nordid (lol not biased at all). and there might have been also other non-ie speakers who were nordid or were the ie the only nordid and what were europeans before? the ones who went into india, might had only small relation to the ancient ie speakers, and have been more indianised etc. there might also have been more then one ie speakers or more then one original source, they might have been diverse etc.

[Stimpy]

YOu call 30+% West Asian (1/3 of your whole ancestry) admixture "minor"?. Interesting. And don't take the admixture results from some bloggers serious. They are biased. Using lower Ks is just absolute bullshit. And these components are not good for ancient groups such as Yamna and are made for modern populations. That is why Lazaridis and the team used whole new components (Not even the ANE/WHG/EEF). Especially K6 which only can distinguish between SSA, "European", "Near Eastern", Amerindian and East Asians and what again depends on the refference populations used for these components. The original Haak paper uses k16.

Some had around 50% WHG, 35% ANE + some SEA+ minor near-eastern.

As most things point to the original Indo-European urheimat being Easternmost Europe it's most likely that the original Indo-Europeans would be mostly of the first two components. If you'd go back even slightly further that is.

[Demhat]

Some had around 50% WHG, 35% ANE + some SEA+ minor near-eastern.

As most things point to the original Indo-European urheimat being Easternmost Europe it's most likely that the original Indo-Europeans would be mostly of the first two components. If you'd go back even slightly further that is.

Not a single of them had 50% WHG as far as I know. Where did you got that from? And if, it must have been outlier because the average is 35%. I have seen the Eurogenes results.

Alone the fact that you put SEA before ENF and said "minor Near Eastern" shows me that you can't have seen the results.

Even by Eurogenes the average WHG was 35%, 24% ENF aka Near Eastern, ~5% SEA and ~36% ANE. Some of them reaching as high as 38% ANE and as low as 32% WHG.

But than as I said, The peer reviewed study uses K16-20 and they also use other new components, because it seems to not work that well with WHG and EEF.

[SKYNET]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?14701-Oleg-Popov

so-called Oleg Popov this turdish troll gave me a thumb down :p

[SKYNET]

Ölüezgi you gave me another thumb down. Seriously, is that your sockpuppet?

[Floris]

iranians are not failed experiments thus more aryan than southern european and turkish subhumans.

[Pennywise]

Ölüezgi you gave me another thumb down. Seriously, is that your sockpuppet?

oh you got me.

[Kabul]

Do you even know what Aryan is. Yes I consider myself Aryan, and I could care less about what you slanty eyed fucker think, because you're so jelly about Iranians. So jelly that you steal our history and claim that Scythians and Sarmatians are Turkic xD

But... You're not even Indo-Aryan, if you want to talk about that, then the only real Indo-Aryans are those from the Indian subcontinent, they are the only ones who speak the language...

[SKYNET]

@ meisje

don't give me that randomly thumbs down for no reason, you piece of camel shit!

[Demhat]

But... You're not even Indo-Aryan, if you want to talk about that, then the only real Indo-Aryans are those from the Indian subcontinent, they are the only ones who speak the language...



The Medes were called anciently by all people Aryans; but when Medea, the Colchian, came to them from Athens, they changed their name. Such is the account which they themselves give.


For example in the Dna and Dse Darius and Xerxes describe themselves as "An Achaemenian, A Persian son of a Persian and an Aryan, of Aryan stock".[33] Although Darius the Great called his language the Aryan language,[33] modern scholars refer to it as Old Persian[33] because it is the ancestor of modern Persian language.[34]




The various forms of Alan — Greek: Ἀλανοί, Alanoi; Chinese: 阿蘭聊 Alanliao (Pinyin) in the 2nd century,[7] 阿蘭 Alan (Pinyin) in the 3rd century[8] — and Iron (a self-designation of the Alans' modern Ossetian descendants, indicating early tribal self-designation) and later Alanguo (阿蘭國)[9] are Iranian dialectical forms of Aryan.[4][10] These and other variants of Aryan (such as Iran), were common self-designations of the Indo-Iranians, the common ancestors of the Indo-Aryans and Iranian peoples to whom the Alans belonged.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes#Etymology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan#In_Iranian_literature