New GEDMatch results from Southern Europe (Italy, Portugal, Greece)

[Sikeliot]

Interesting thing here is that the Campanian is similar to the Greek (half Thracian, half Cretan). The Calabrese result is truly remarkable, I've seen few quite like it in any southern European region. The Sicilian results are more or less what you'd expect, as are the Portuguese and Spanish (which I will post later).

Greek: half Cretan (islands), half Thracian (northern).


Dodecad K15b:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.72
2 North_Sea 16.07
3 Atlantic 13.64
4 West_Med 13.29
5 West_Asian 11.5
6 Baltic 8.95
7 Red_Sea 4.26
8 Eastern_Euro 3.02
9 Southeast_Asian 0.62
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 Amerindian 0.38

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 7.23
2 Italian_Abruzzo 7.34
3 Central_Greek 7.52
4 Ashkenazi 7.97
5 East_Sicilian 8.02
6 West_Sicilian 8.99
7 Greek 9.3
8 South_Italian 9.59
9 Tuscan 10.46
10 Italian_Jewish 12.15
11 Bulgarian 13.42
12 Sephardic_Jewish 13.67
13 Algerian_Jewish 14.29
14 Romanian 14.64
15 North_Italian 15.81
16 Tunisian_Jewish 17.16
17 Serbian 17.23
18 Libyan_Jewish 17.43
19 Cyprian 19.51
20 Turkish 21.62


Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.78
2 Atlantic_Med 26.91
3 North_European 21.26
4 Southwest_Asian 12.66
5 Gedrosia 6.62
6 Southeast_Asian 0.93
7 South_Asian 0.54
8 East_Asian 0.25
9 Northwest_African 0.06

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 7.28
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.18
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.63
4 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 10.79
5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.31
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 11.82
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.86
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 11.87
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.6
10 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.46
11 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.09
12 Romanians (Behar) 15.67
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.71
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 16.75
15 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 18.65
16 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.76
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.08
18 Cypriots (Behar) 23.88
19 Turks (Behar) 25.35
20 Lebanese (Behar) 26.29


Southern Italian: Reggio Calabria, Calabria

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.83
2 West_Med 17.24
3 West_Asian 15.26
4 Atlantic 9.09
5 Red_Sea 8.06
6 Baltic 6.7
7 North_Sea 3.26
8 Northeast_African 2.97
9 Eastern_Euro 2.59

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 6.76
2 Algerian_Jewish 7.04
3 Tunisian_Jewish 7.2
4 Italian_Jewish 7.33
5 Cyprian 7.55
6 South_Italian 8.52
7 Libyan_Jewish 9.59
8 East_Sicilian 9.61
9 Ashkenazi 9.97
10 Central_Greek 10.38
11 Lebanese_Muslim 11.75
12 Syrian 12.49
13 West_Sicilian 13.02
14 Samaritan 13.33
15 Italian_Abruzzo 13.67
16 Greek 14.71
17 Jordanian 14.78
18 Lebanese_Christian 15.27
19 Palestinian 15.63
20 Greek_Thessaly 16.03

Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.23
2 Atlantic_Med 23.61
3 Southwest_Asian 15.77
4 North_European 10.35
5 Gedrosia 6.07
6 Northwest_African 5.83
7 East_African 1.35
8 East_Asian 0.59
9 Sub_Saharan 0.2

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 5.15
2 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 5.82
3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 6.1
4 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.53
5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.53
6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 7.81
7 Greek (Dodecad) 12.67
8 Cypriots (Behar) 13.78
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.85
10 Lebanese (Behar) 15.97
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.23
12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 17.92
13 Syrians (Behar) 18.96
14 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.97
15 Turks (Behar) 19.39
16 Jordanians (Behar) 19.57
17 Druze (HGDP) 19.61
18 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.05
19 Palestinian (HGDP) 21.08
20 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 22.74




Sicilian: Half Palermo, half Trapani (both western Sicily)

Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.21
2 West_Med 23.24
3 North_Atlantic 15.15
4 West_Asian 14.63
5 Baltic 8.95
6 Red_Sea 2.69
7 Sub-Saharan 1.87
8 East_Asian 1.46
9 Oceanian 0.44
10 Amerindian 0.22
11 Northeast_African 0.14

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.46
2 Central_Greek 4.55
3 East_Sicilian 4.86
4 West_Sicilian 7.23
5 Ashkenazi 7.61
6 Italian_Abruzzo 8.06
7 Algerian_Jewish 9.74
8 Greek_Thessaly 9.98
9 Italian_Jewish 10.33
10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.69
11 Tuscan 13.25
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.3
13 Libyan_Jewish 15.03
14 Cyprian 15.24
15 Bulgarian 18.32
16 North_Italian 19.14
17 Lebanese_Muslim 19.4
18 Turkish 20.14
19 Romanian 20.64
20 Syrian 20.78


Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.26
2 Atlantic_Med 27.89
3 North_European 13.3
4 Southwest_Asian 9.99
5 Gedrosia 4.49
6 Northwest_African 3.8
7 Southeast_Asian 1.3
8 Sub_Saharan 0.96

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian (Dodecad) 3.83
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 4.46
3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 4.74
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 5.22
5 Greek (Dodecad) 7.34
6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 9.48
7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.51
8 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 12.59
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.34
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.47
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.95
12 Cypriots (Behar) 16.42
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 18.84
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.46
15 Turks (Behar) 21.68
16 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 21.95
17 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 22
18 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.42
19 Lebanese (Behar) 22.69
20 Romanians (Behar) 23.53



Half Sicilian (Palermo), half southern Italian (Campania)

Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.52
2 West_Med 18.09
3 Atlantic 16.77
4 West_Asian 12.72
5 North_Sea 9.33
6 Red_Sea 4.64
7 Eastern_Euro 3.71
8 Baltic 2.81
9 Sub-Saharan 2.17
10 Northeast_African 0.24

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 4.37
2 South_Italian 5.42
3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.2
4 East_Sicilian 6.24
5 Central_Greek 6.68
6 Italian_Jewish 7.51
7 Sephardic_Jewish 8.25
8 Algerian_Jewish 8.26
9 Ashkenazi 8.65
10 Tuscan 10.25
11 Greek 10.32
12 Greek_Thessaly 11.93
13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.62
14 Libyan_Jewish 14.89
15 Cyprian 15.66
16 North_Italian 16.38
17 Bulgarian 18.07
18 Lebanese_Muslim 19.32
19 Romanian 20.06
20 Syrian 20.31


Dodecad K12b

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.9
2 Atlantic_Med 27.63
3 North_European 14.47
4 Southwest_Asian 12.22
5 Gedrosia 6.87
6 Northwest_African 5.17
7 East_African 1.19
8 South_Asian 0.56

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.8
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.92
3 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 7.75
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 7.98
5 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.64
6 Greek (Dodecad) 9.27
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 10.31
8 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.91
9 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 11.4
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.59
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.38
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18.81
13 Cypriots (Behar) 20.11
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.15
15 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 20.61
16 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 21.08
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.22
18 Romanians (Behar) 21.93
19 Lebanese (Behar) 22.71
20 Turks (Behar) 23.51



Southern Italian: Campanian

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.25
2 West_Med 19.05
3 North_Sea 13.65
4 Atlantic 13.41
5 West_Asian 11.87
6 Baltic 8.37
7 Red_Sea 5.55
8 Amerindian 0.34
9 Northeast_African 0.29
10 Oceanian 0.18
11 Sub-Saharan 0.04

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 5.35
2 Central_Greek 5.71
3 South_Italian 6.36
4 Italian_Abruzzo 6.69
5 West_Sicilian 7.2
6 Greek_Thessaly 7.25
7 Ashkenazi 7.92
8 Tuscan 8.68
9 Greek 9.17
10 Italian_Jewish 9.82
11 Algerian_Jewish 11.66
12 Sephardic_Jewish 11.75
13 North_Italian 14.71
14 Bulgarian 15.36
15 Tunisian_Jewish 15.54
16 Libyan_Jewish 15.84
17 Romanian 17.12
18 Cyprian 18.08
19 Serbian 20.12
20 Lebanese_Muslim 21.5

Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 32.54
2 Atlantic_Med 30.93
3 North_European 15.31
4 Southwest_Asian 11.93
5 Gedrosia 5.64
6 Northwest_African 3.57
7 Sub_Saharan 0.07

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian (Dodecad) 4.99
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.07
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 5.24
4 Greek (Dodecad) 7.83
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.3
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.7
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.74
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 9.32
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 10.25
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 11.63
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 13.06
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.33
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.37
14 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 20.25
15 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 20.4
16 Cypriots (Behar) 21.12
17 Romanians (Behar) 21.44
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.17
19 Lebanese (Behar) 25.37
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 25.6

[Sikeliot]

Spanish: 3 Galician grandparents and one Basque

Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 28.5
2 West_Med 24.19
3 North_Sea 19.17
4 East_Med 9.18
5 Baltic 6.74
6 Eastern_Euro 5.91
7 Red_Sea 2.57
8 Northeast_African 2.55
9 Oceanian 0.75
10 West_Asian 0.26
11 Siberian 0.2

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cantabria 4.87
2 Portuguese 4.91
3 Spanish_Extremadura 5.33
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.37
5 Spanish_Cataluna 5.52
6 Spanish_Murcia 5.61
7 Spanish_Valencia 6.05
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.07
9 Spanish_Andalucia 6.26
10 Spanish_Galicia 6.32
11 Southwest_French 6.41
12 Spanish_Aragon 6.98
13 North_Italian 10.12
14 French 12.39
15 French_Basque 16.21
16 Tuscan 16.34
17 South_Dutch 16.62
18 Serbian 19.22
19 West_German 19.39
20 Southwest_English 19.82


Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 43.37
2 North_European 26.91
3 Caucasus 14.45
4 Northwest_African 5.75
5 Southwest_Asian 4.15
6 Gedrosia 3.41
7 South_Asian 0.94
8 East_African 0.74
9 Siberian 0.28

# Population (source) Distance
1 Galicia (1000Genomes) 6.68
2 Baleares (1000Genomes) 7.52
3 Portuguese (Dodecad) 7.84
4 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 7.88
5 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 9.52
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 9.74
7 North_Italian (HGDP) 10.17
8 Murcia (1000Genomes) 10.35
9 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 10.68
10 Spaniards (Behar) 10.97
11 Spanish (Dodecad) 11.02
12 Canarias (1000Genomes) 11.42
13 French (HGDP) 12.44
14 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 12.45
15 Cantabria (1000Genomes) 12.65
16 French (Dodecad) 12.68
17 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) 13.13
18 Valencia (1000Genomes) 13.5
19 Aragon (1000Genomes) 14.25
20 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.07



Spanish: Aragon

Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 32.11
2 North_Sea 20.81
3 West_Med 19.83
4 East_Med 14.04
5 Eastern_Euro 5.7
6 Baltic 5.24
7 Red_Sea 1.1
8 Sub-Saharan 0.84
9 Northeast_African 0.32
10 Amerindian 0.02

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Murcia 5.02
2 Spanish_Valencia 5.38
3 Spanish_Cataluna 5.61
4 Spanish_Extremadura 6.62
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.74
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.88
7 Spanish_Aragon 7.22
8 Portuguese 7.29
9 Spanish_Andalucia 7.4
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.88
11 Southwest_French 8.67
12 Spanish_Galicia 9.19
13 North_Italian 10.67
14 French 12.12
15 South_Dutch 15.79
16 French_Basque 16.15
17 Tuscan 16.16
18 West_German 18.75
19 Southwest_English 18.84
20 Serbian 19.64


Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 53.81
2 North_European 23.17
3 Gedrosia 9.54
4 Caucasus 7.85
5 Northwest_African 2.7
6 Southwest_Asian 2.58
7 Sub_Saharan 0.34

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 3.57
2 Valencia (1000Genomes) 3.58
3 Cantabria (1000Genomes) 3.82
4 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) 3.92
5 Spaniards (Behar) 4.03
6 Aragon (1000Genomes) 4.08
7 Spanish (Dodecad) 4.28
8 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 6.07
9 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 7.3
10 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 7.3
11 Murcia (1000Genomes) 7.85
12 Galicia (1000Genomes) 8.04
13 Baleares (1000Genomes) 8.15
14 Portuguese (Dodecad) 8.68
15 Canarias (1000Genomes) 13.32
16 Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) 14.68
17 French (HGDP) 15.32
18 French (Dodecad) 15.8
19 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.22
20 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18.38



Portuguese: Northern

Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 28.03
2 West_Med 22.86
3 North_Sea 19.39
4 East_Med 7.31
5 Baltic 5.72
6 Eastern_Euro 4.91
7 Red_Sea 4.14
8 West_Asian 4.09
9 Northeast_African 1.22
10 South_Asian 1.2
11 Sub-Saharan 1.13

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 3.75
2 Portuguese 4.12
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.38
4 Spanish_Cantabria 4.42
5 Spanish_Cataluna 4.76
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.94
7 Spanish_Murcia 5.26
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.34
9 Spanish_Andalucia 6.03
10 Spanish_Valencia 6.17
11 Southwest_French 6.76
12 Spanish_Aragon 7.07
13 North_Italian 9.18
14 French 10.74
15 Tuscan 15.29
16 South_Dutch 15.31
17 French_Basque 16.41
18 West_German 18.24
19 Serbian 18.3
20 Southwest_English 18.7


Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 41.06
2 North_European 27.75
3 Caucasus 13.65
4 Northwest_African 5.98
5 Southwest_Asian 5.32
6 Gedrosia 5.11
7 East_African 0.82
8 South_Asian 0.27
9 Sub_Saharan 0.05

# Population (source) Distance
1 Galicia (1000Genomes) 8.21
2 Portuguese (Dodecad) 8.86
3 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 9.07
4 Baleares (1000Genomes) 9.49
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 10.12
6 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 11.26
7 North_Italian (HGDP) 11.31
8 French (HGDP) 11.8
9 French (Dodecad) 11.87
10 Murcia (1000Genomes) 11.89
11 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 12.08
12 Canarias (1000Genomes) 12.47
13 Spanish (Dodecad) 12.6
14 Spaniards (Behar) 12.74
15 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 14.23
16 Cantabria (1000Genomes) 14.49
17 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) 14.73
18 Valencia (1000Genomes) 15.35
19 Aragon (1000Genomes) 16.09
20 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.37


Portuguese: Northern

Eurogenes K15

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 28.88
2 West_Med 25.2
3 North_Sea 19.24
4 East_Med 10.59
5 Eastern_Euro 4.48
6 Baltic 3.69
7 Red_Sea 3.24
8 Sub-Saharan 2.25
9 Northeast_African 1.84
10 Oceanian 0.38
11 Southeast_Asian 0.22

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 4.97
2 Spanish_Murcia 5.41
3 Portuguese 5.5
4 Spanish_Cantabria 5.73
5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.15
6 Spanish_Andalucia 6.25
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.32
8 Spanish_Valencia 6.45
9 Spanish_Cataluna 6.74
10 Spanish_Aragon 6.99
11 Spanish_Galicia 7.08
12 Southwest_French 8.26
13 North_Italian 10.47
14 French 14.02
15 Tuscan 16.26
16 French_Basque 16.32
17 South_Dutch 18.65
18 West_German 21.11
19 Serbian 21.47
20 Southwest_English 21.53


Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 44.15
2 North_European 23.56
3 Caucasus 13.26
4 Northwest_African 7.58
5 Gedrosia 5.33
6 Southwest_Asian 3.91
7 East_African 1.33
8 Sub_Saharan 0.87

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese (Dodecad) 5.03
2 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 5.13
3 Galicia (1000Genomes) 5.24
4 Baleares (1000Genomes) 6.46
5 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 7.53
6 Canarias (1000Genomes) 7.61
7 Murcia (1000Genomes) 7.79
8 Spanish (Dodecad) 9.27
9 Spaniards (Behar) 9.76
10 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 9.82
11 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 9.99
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 11.07
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 11.08
14 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) 11.34
15 Cantabria (1000Genomes) 11.55
16 Valencia (1000Genomes) 12.09
17 Aragon (1000Genomes) 12.78
18 French (HGDP) 14.73
19 French (Dodecad) 14.94
20 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.7

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Interesting results, the Italian S.Italians/Sicilians seem to have high West Asian admixture, over 10% and most of their top population matches are with Jewish populations. Sephardic Jew, Ashkenazi Jew and North African Jew. They are more or less what I expected.

[Kazimiera]

You can't be serious Sikeliot. There was so much chaos over you posting people's information and now you are at it again???

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

You can't be serious Sikeliot. There was so much chaos over you posting people's information and now you are at it again???

Yeah, but who cares, he ain't breaking any rules here anyways. Everyone post DNA results here and there. Just he doesn't post the personal infos of them, like names etc. Should be no problem. :)

[Kazimiera]

Yeah, but who cares, he ain't breaking any rules here anyways. Everyone post DNA results here and there. Just he doesn't post the personal infos of them, like names etc. Should be no problem. :)

Ah, okay. True. :)

[Sikeliot]

You can't be serious Sikeliot. There was so much chaos over you posting people's information and now you are at it again???

I called 23andme and they told me this does not violate any rules. It's not anyone's information given that it is not identifying. Given that both here and at ABF there are threads where photos of the people get posted alongside the results, I realized that I did nothing. :lol:

Also, all of these ID numbers were posted publicly, and one of them I uploaded the person's raw data for them also.

[Suleiman Arian]

I called 23andme and they told me this does not violate any rules. It's not anyone's information given that it is not identifying. Given that both here and at ABF there are threads where photos of the people get posted alongside the results, I realized that I did nothing. :lol:

Also, all of these ID numbers were posted publicly, and one of them I uploaded the person's raw data for them also.

SIKELIOT IS BACK

[Sikeliot]

SIKELIOT IS BACK

Who are you?
I assume you are someone I know, but the username changed.

[Suleiman Arian]

Who are you?
I assume you are someone I know, but the username changed.

You do not know me but you should. I have been here since late march.

[Dylan]

Any idea why Abruzzo in particular gets rated so close to some of the Greeks? Even closer than parts of Greece in some instances. I've seen this in other threads recently too and seeing as Abruzzo was not part of Magna Graecia, it confuses me.

[Sikeliot]

Any idea why Abruzzo in particular gets rated so close to some of the Greeks? Even closer than parts of Greece in some instances. I've seen this in other threads recently too and seeing as Abruzzo was not part of Magna Graecia, it confuses me.

Similar ratio of components. Central-southern Italy, Albania, and Greece, being in close geographic proximity and being settled by similar sorts of people, are genetically close whether there was direct contact or not between them. It only makes sense they'd be similar.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

SIKELIOT IS BACK

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[Dylan]

Similar ratio of components. Central-southern Italy, Albania, and Greece, being in close geographic proximity and being settled by similar sorts of people, are genetically close whether there was direct contact or not between them. It only makes sense they'd be similar.

Goddammit, my hopes and dreams of finding ancestors directly from Ancient Greece in my Abruzzese ancestry remains crushed.

[Sikeliot]

Goddammit, my hopes and dreams of finding ancestors directly from Ancient Greece in my Abruzzese ancestry remains crushed.

The difference though, and you'll see this above, is that a typical Greek will score more "North Euro" which signifies their stronger Indo-European ancestry or in some cases, minor Slavic ancestry. Now look at the Campanian result and then the Sicilians/Calabrese... the Campanian seems to have more North European than the Sicilians/Calabrese, but less than the Greek. But since they also are the least MENA-influenced southern Italians, they get pulled toward the Greeks. The same is true for Abruzzo.

But these are small differences. They all plot closely together relative to anyone else.

[Dylan]

I still desperately believe that my Marchesian ancestry comes from the Greek settlers in Ancona and the Abruzzese come from the Greek settlers in Chieti! It is possible!

[Sikeliot]

I still desperately believe that my Marchesian ancestry comes from the Greek settlers in Ancona and the Abruzzese come from the Greek settlers in Chieti! It is possible!

Even if not, you're still related to Greeks, because all central and southern Italians are related to Greeks, whether they have more or less of some other influence too. If that Greek result was fully Thracian, judging by how he scores knowing he is half Cretan, it's likely that he'd be similar to Tuscans even, just with more Baltic.

[Dylan]

Unfortunately it only really matters to me if its direct descent. I'm a history guy so I'm constantly searching for proof that I had descendants in Greece and Rome during antiquity. But it's difficult to find proof of this sort of thing.

[Thrax]

Is the first one really half Thracian half Cretan? I would expect higher East Med and West Asian and lower North Sea and Atlantic.
These results are very similar to 100% mainland Greek.

[Sikeliot]

Is the first one really half Thracian half Cretan? I would expect higher East Med and West Asian and lower North Sea and Atlantic.
These results are very similar to 100% mainland Greek.

Yes. And in fact they even have a small amount of Pontic Greek ancestry. But in general, half Thracian, half Cretan (far western Crete).

Their 12% SW Asian on Dodecad K12 is how you know they are not a full mainlander.

[Sikeliot]

What is curious is that the Calabrese result comes up quite far from any Greek reference population, despite how we often believe they have a lot of Greek ancestry.

[Nico Nobrix]

What surprised me the most was how much Spaniards and Portuguese have for Atlantic and Baltic autosomal DNA. Surprised to see Italians with significantly lower level Atlantic and Baltic than Portuguese and Spaniards.

My half Madeiran Portuguese and North Portuguese results:

K15:
Atlantic27.812
West_Med21.20
North_Sea18.27
East_Med12.18
Baltic5.90
Red_Sea3.98
Sub-Saharan3.58
Eastern_Euro2.43
Northeast_African1.76
Southeast_Asian1.72

1 Spanish_Murcia @ 4.709378
2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.810021
3 Portuguese @ 5.636510
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.670006
5 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.870796
6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.988903
7 Spanish_Valencia @ 7.120171
8 Spanish_Galicia @ 7.683000
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.819813
10 Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.844593
11 Spanish_Aragon @ 9.316442
12 North_Italian @ 9.545977
13 Southwest_French @ 10.776300
14 French @ 14.782977
15 Tuscan @ 15.887116
16 South_Dutch @ 19.891186
17 French_Basque @ 21.080379
18 Serbian @ 21.651827
19 West_Sicilian @ 22.262558
20 West_German @ 22.667040

[Sikeliot]

What surprised me the most was how much Spaniards and Portuguese have for Atlantic and Baltic autosomal DNA. Surprised to see Italians with significantly lower level Atlantic and Baltic than Portuguese and Spaniards.

My half Madeiran Portuguese and North Portuguese results:

K15:
Atlantic27.812
West_Med21.20
North_Sea18.27
East_Med12.18
Baltic5.90
Red_Sea3.98
Sub-Saharan3.58
Eastern_Euro2.43
Northeast_African1.76
Southeast_Asian1.72

1 Spanish_Murcia @ 4.709378
2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.810021
3 Portuguese @ 5.636510
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.670006
5 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.870796
6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.988903
7 Spanish_Valencia @ 7.120171
8 Spanish_Galicia @ 7.683000
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.819813
10 Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.844593
11 Spanish_Aragon @ 9.316442
12 North_Italian @ 9.545977
13 Southwest_French @ 10.776300
14 French @ 14.782977
15 Tuscan @ 15.887116
16 South_Dutch @ 19.891186
17 French_Basque @ 21.080379
18 Serbian @ 21.651827
19 West_Sicilian @ 22.262558
20 West_German @ 22.667040


Did you get the 23andme update? if so, where did your Sub-Saharan trace to? You are nearly 5% combined SSA and NE African, and given that northern Portuguese shouldn't have much except ancient North African input indirectly bringing SSA, I'd suggest testing your full Madeiran parent.

Could you possibly have any Cape Verdean?

[Nico Nobrix]

Did you get the 23andme update? if so, where did your Sub-Saharan trace to? You are nearly 5% combined SSA and NE African, and given that northern Portuguese shouldn't have much except ancient North African input indirectly bringing SSA, I'd suggest testing your full Madeiran parent.

Could you possibly have any Cape Verdean?

Sorry I didnt say that correctly. While I do have Northern Portuguese roots, both sides of my family have several hundreds years in Madeira Island. After asking my grandparents, there is no knowledge of any other ethnicities besides Portuguese beyond my great great grandparents. But that's what they always say.

Anyways, my mother who has the more exotic look did 23 and me and that since updated my results with SSA for a total of exactly 2%. within that 2 percent are mixtures from all over West and East Africa, oddly enough. This one is confusing, it also added 1.5% North African. What do you think?

[Tomasso]

Cherrypicked results to show Greeks as Slavs and Italians as Levantines/Jews

[Nico Nobrix]

Did you get the 23andme update? if so, where did your Sub-Saharan trace to? You are nearly 5% combined SSA and NE African, and given that northern Portuguese shouldn't have much except ancient North African input indirectly bringing SSA, I'd suggest testing your full Madeiran parent.

Could you possibly have any Cape Verdean?

Here are her results:
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent1North_Atlantic34.412West_Med27. 113East_Med18.514Baltic11.275Sub-Saharan4.276East_Asian1.787Red_Sea1.08

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese @ 8.258359
2 Spanish_Valencia @ 8.479455
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 8.665514
4 Spanish_Murcia @ 8.710027
5 North_Italian @ 9.090218
6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 9.310879
7 Spanish_Galicia @ 9.598137
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 9.921700
9 Spanish_Cataluna @ 10.207581
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 10.826326
11 Spanish_Cantabria @ 12.197819
12 Spanish_Aragon @ 13.075533
13 Southwest_French @ 14.092217
14 Tuscan @ 14.535769
15 French @ 16.738720
16 West_Sicilian @ 21.413971
17 West_German @ 22.805122
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.821144
19 Romanian @ 22.948706
20 South_Dutch @ 23.141035

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Italian +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.605401


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_French +25% Spanish_Valencia +25% Tunisian @ 5.906597


As you can see, there is a stronger resemblance to East Mediteranian which makes me wonder if there is NA ancestry, also if the possible NA ancestry is influencing SSA