Should we Turkic people of Iran be independet?

[Azeri Bozkurt]

We Azeris, Qashqais and Turkmens should work together with the Kurds against this Persian chauvinism.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsD_nHJ2q6A

http://i.imgur.com/KAiuvfl.jpg

[Pahli]

We Azeris, Qashqais and Turkmens should work together with the Kurds against this Persian chauvinism.

Turkmens already have a country (infact Southern parts of Turkmenistan is actually Iranian lands), Azerbaijanis already have a country, most identify themselves as Iranian / Persian, Qashqai people don't really need / want a country, Arabs don't have anything to do in Iran.

[gültekin]

ok but,
We "Azeris"? since when call Azerbaijan Turks themselves Azeri?
fuck of troll... btw good thread

[Pahli]

ok but,
We "Azeris"? since when call Azerbaijan Turks themselves Azeri?
fuck of troll... btw good thread

They are not Turks xD

[gültekin]

most identify themselves as Iranian / Persian
:picard2: sure sure , who the fuck wanted be a persian donkey, don't be silly

[Pahli]

:picard2: sure sure , who the fuck wanted be a persian donkey, don't be silly

Apparently many of them want to, and don't want to associate with retards like you :)

[omidjahan]

we dont NEED a new one SYRIAN (with ISIS as headquarter)
so all those races belong to Iran and are part of the country!!!

[gültekin]

Apparently many of them want to, and don't want to associate with retards like you :)
only in your wet dreams baby, btw you kıro are not in the position to call some one "retard", retard

[Kabul]

Yes, the indigenous minorities of Iran should receive independence and self-determination.

[Pahli]

only in your wet dreams baby, btw you kıro are not in the position to call some one "retard", retard

I just did, what are you going to do? Spam the thread with your usual bullcrap? xD

[gültekin]

I just did, what are you going to do? Spam the thread with your usual bullcrap? xD
truly, you kıro are about as interesting as watching a donkey he-haw loudly across a thread. very usual :bored:

[Pahli]

truly, you are about as interesting as watching a donkey he-haw loudly across a thread. very usual :bored:

http://www.troll.me/images/creepy-willy-wonka/please-tell-me-more-thumb.jpg

[Azeri Bozkurt]

Turkmens already have a country (infact Southern parts of Turkmenistan is actually Iranian lands), Azerbaijanis already have a country, most identify themselves as Iranian / Persian, Qashqai people don't really need / want a country, Arabs don't have anything to do in Iran.

We identify us as Iranian but not as Persian. To be Iranian means that you are one of more than 30 ethnic peoples in the multiethnic Iran. We identify with Iran, because we run the country for more than 1000 years. We are the elite in all sporting, scientific, and spiritual areas. We have built Iran, and if we want it, we turn this country into the hell. If the Persians dont stop their racism against Turks and deny our identity, we will show them who is the owner of this land. Your Kurds can you decide on which side you want to stay. For the oppressors or against the oppressors.

[Pahli]

We identify us as Iranian but not as Persian. To be Iranian means that you are one of more than 30 ethnic peoples in the multiethnic Iran. We identify with Iran, because we run the country for more than 1000 years. We are the elite in all sporting, scientific, and spiritual areas. We have built Iran, and if we want it, we turn this country into the hell. If the Persians dont stop their racism against Turks and deny our identity, we will show them who is the owner of this land. Your Kurds can you decide on which side you want to stay. For the oppressors or against the oppressors.

"Meta-Ethnicity: Turkic" ... Apparently you're not viewing yourself as Iranian. Any of those plastic-Turk Azeris can go to Turkish speaking countries.

[zarzian]

We identify us as Iranian but not as Persian. To be Iranian means that you are one of more than 30 ethnic peoples in the multiethnic Iran. We identify with Iran, because we run the country for more than 1000 years. We are the elite in all sporting, scientific, and spiritual areas. We have built Iran, and if we want it, we turn this country into the hell. If the Persians dont stop their racism against Turks and deny our identity, we will show them who is the owner of this land. Your Kurds can you decide on which side you want to stay. For the oppressors or against the oppressors.

Hahahhahhaha which buthurt tork is this sockpuppet ? Gimme a fuckin break

[zarzian]

Yes, the indigenous minorities of Iran should receive independence and self-determination.

How about you shut your mouth and never speak in matters that don't concern your mother fucking slave ass you son of a homeless whore tork wannabe mongrel.

[Kabul]

How about you shut your mouth and never speak in matters that don't concern your mother fucking slave ass you son of a homeless whore tork wannabe mongrel.

How about you apply your lips to my ass and accept the gift it is about to present to your throat, pseudo-indian garbage. Kill yourself to make wherever you live abetter place, but before you do that, kill your slut mother and pussy incel faggot father in order to make sure that they cannot give life to more faggot waste-of-flesh incels like you, arab.

[zarzian]

I am the retarded offspring of 6 generations of torkish whores
Why are you crying so hard bitch? :heh: like I said, don't stick your dirty name in any other subject then bulgarian torkish prostitutes, of which you can relate since your mother is a proud one. Tell her to stop servicing her Slav masters, you mongrel.

[Azeri Bozkurt]

The non-Persian peoples of Iran are rebelling against both the mullah tyranny and Persian imperialism - just like the non-Russian peoples of the USSR rebelled against Soviet tyranny and Russian imperialism. If the Persians want to learn from history and not repeat it, they will take the lead in replacing the mullacracy with democracy and offering substantial autonomy to the disaffected non-Persian regions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFzjM2_SgHs

[Gaston]

Lol at "Qashqaistan" covering most of historical Persia.

[zarzian]

The non-Persian peoples of Iran are rebelling against both the mullah tyranny and Persian imperialism - just like the non-Russian peoples of the USSR rebelled against Soviet tyranny and Russian imperialism. If the Persians want to learn from history and not repeat it, they will take the lead in replacing the mullacracy with democracy and offering substantial autonomy to the disaffected non-Persian regions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFzjM2_SgHs

If you want to associate with the language that was forced upon you by a bunch of savage horse riders without civilization then go to Azerbaijan, we dont want deserters in Iran.

[Azeri Bozkurt]

"Meta-Ethnicity: Turkic" ... Apparently you're not viewing yourself as Iranian. Any of those plastic-Turk Azeris can go to Turkish speaking countries.

"Metha-Ethnicity: Iranic" its more funny. Why you Kurds wants your independence, if they are the same people like you? Think about your words Kord, when you talk about Turks. Here you can swing big words, in Iran we would squash you Kords like a cockroaches.

[Azeri Bozkurt]

You Kords can do whatever you want as long as you will not set foot in Turk territories. We Azeris have the right answer for you Kords in Iran.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpQ4ixW7KxY

[Azeri Bozkurt]

If you want to associate with the language that was forced upon you by a bunch of savage horse riders without civilization then go to Azerbaijan, we dont want deserters in Iran.

You Persians come from an Indian derivative, we Turks in Iran speak our language and live our culture. You guys are the one which derived from uncivilized Indian priestly castes.

We can go to Azerbaijan, but we will take South Azerbaijan with us.

[Thunder_shock]

The turkic speaker Azeris arent genetically turkic they only speak the language.
By the way i read the Iranian government supported the Armenians during the Nagorno-Karabakh War, how did the Azeris in Iran take it?

[Kabul]

Why are you crying so hard bitch?

You're the one who got butthurt and started crying and swearing like a little bitch over nothing xD


like I said, don't stick your dirty name in any other subject then bulgarian torkish prostitutes

Don't stick your dick in your faggot cocksucker father's asshole, it already gapes enough from the 10 other men who anally annihilate him on a daily basis while your cock hungry mothers drowns in pools of foreign men's semen.


Tell her to stop servicing her Slav masters, you mongrel.

Do you even know what a mongrel is? It just means "mixed". Every ethnicity on this planet is the result of intermixing, dumbass. Sort of like how Indo-Aryan gypsies migrated to your shithole home and fucked Arabs, you got pissed out.

[Pahli]

You Persians come from an Indian derivative, we Turks in Iran speak our language and live our culture. You guys are the one which derived from uncivilized Indian priestly castes.

We can go to Azerbaijan, but we will take South Azerbaijan with us.

Try you Iranian plastic-Turk xD

[poiuytrewq0987]

Persians are just Arabized Indians so I fail to see the importance of Turks receiving independence. They all fit in together in the nasty melting pot that is Iran.

[Armenian Bishop]

The turkic speaker Azeris arent genetically turkic they only speak the language.
By the way i read the Iranian government supported the Armenians during the Nagorno-Karabakh War, how did the Azeris in Iran take it?

Yes, the Turkic language of invaders doesn't establish the ancestral origins of the people who live in the region. That conclusion is logical.

Iran didn't immediately take sides in the Karabakh War (1988-1994), but with the collapse of the USSR (1991), Iran showed signs that it would support the Armenian side, and by the last year of the war (1994) Iran was a promising and reliable Armenian Ally. Since the Karabakh War, Armenia and Iran have steadily deepened their alliance, with much goodwill.

The Armenia-Iran Wikipedia article states that, "Armenia and Iran enjoy cultural and historical ties that go back thousands of years." It goes on to affirm to that there is goodwill between the two countries: "There are no border disputes between the two countries and the Christian Armenian minority in Iran has official recognition."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia–Iran_relations

By 1994, Azerbaijan appealed to Russia to intervene on its behalf, for a ceasefire agreement. Azerbaijan's military suffered a humiliating defeat, during the Karabakh War. Azeris and Turks still whine and complain about it, with venomous hateful propaganda. Since the Karabakh War, Azerbaijan has threatened to launch a full scale war against Armenia, as well as Karabakh (aka Artzakh).

Wikipedia describes the magnitude of the defeat of Azerbaijan very well: "After six years of intensive fighting, both sides were ready for a ceasefire. Azerbaijan, with its manpower exhausted and aware that Armenian forces had an unimpeded path to Baku, counted on a new ceasefire proposal from either the CSCE or Russia."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War

[Tonuquq]

Always the same old memorized garbage. Keep dreaming trolls, it is free.

. Modern day Iran was established and ruled by Oghuz Turk dynasties for centuries. Afshar branch, according to semi-mythological Oghuz Khan epic, was one of the 24 branches of Oghuz Turks. According to Mahmud al-Kashgari, it is the 6th of 22 Oghuz regiments in Divânu Lügati't-Türk. It originates from Oghuz Khan's son, Yildiz Khan's oldest son's lineage, Afshar. The presence of Afshar in Iranian geography, Nadir Shah and Afshar State. During Safavid era, some branches of Afshar in Fars and Huzistan settled to Azerbaijan and especially Urmia. Afshar was one of the 7 Turk tribes that established Safavid State. Nadir Shah who was from Kırklu branch of Afshar in Khorasan is an important figure in Azerbaijan's history. Afshar was the most powerful Turkmen, Oghuz, branch in Anatolia. According to historical records, it was one of the few branches that actually ruled a state.

. Azerbaijan is a divided country. It was divided into two parts by Russian imperialism in the beginning of 19th century. The Russians took the northern part from Iran in 1828. The south is part of Iran until today. The capital of south Azerbaijan is Tabriz. Turks who speak Turkish live in Tabriz. Turkish is spoken all over Azerbaijan. Turkish and Azerbaijani are the closest ones to eachother among other 60 Turkic languages. Azerbaijanis have Turk origin. That means regular Turks as we know as history and origin. They settled to Iran and Anatolia and finally reached to Europe. Azerbaijanis are different societies in Russia and Iran but they are well aware of the fact that they are Turks.
Alex De Groot, Turkologist

. Iran, the land of the Turks.
Ibn Khaldun, Arab Historian, One of The Founding Fathers of Modern Historiography, Sociology and Economics

Enjoy it dumb trolls.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Yes, the indigenous minorities of Iran should receive independence and self-determination.

How can invaders be indigenous

[Tonuquq]

Yes, the Turkic language of invaders doesn't establish the ancestral origins of the people who live in the region.

Invader? The dumpster called Arm. is a Russian creation.

. Russia has established an Arm. oblast on the lands Azerbaijan Khanate. Sobranie Aktov, Revising The History of Arm. People, Moscow, 1838.
http://i.imgur.com/kufjd0D.png

Russia divided Azerbaijan with the treaty of Turkmenchay and Azerbaijanis were either massacred or deported from their homeland by Tashnak extremists with the help of the Russian Bolsheviks in 1905-1918 and then, Russians re-populated the region with Arm. and now falsifier fanatics like you claim an 'Arm. civilization' for thousands of years in the region Lol. Nowhere or in any period of history, Arm. constituted the majority in the region.

. In 1883, 15.992 people out of 18.766 in Yerevan were Azerbaijanis.
Zaven Korkodian

. Without the 1828 Treaty of Turkmenchay, Griboyedov, Abovyan and Russian soldiers, there would have not been hundreds of newly created Armenian hearths that turned into modern villages and cities. Only in the past decade, in the 1960-70's, over 200.000 Armenians moved to their 'homeland'.
Zori Balayan, Hearth

. Nearly 300.000 Armenians had inhabited the Caucasus until the 1828 Treaty of Turkmenchay. In the early 20th century, their number in this region reached 1.3 million, 1 million out of which was resettled by the Russian authorities.
Shavrov, Russian Scholar

Lmao, you are a history hoax. No doubt why there is not any clear evidence about the origins of Arm. either except legends, written by nationalist, falsifier Arm. historians.

. From the 4th century BC to the 8th century AD, the territory of the current Nagorno Karabakh region of Azerbaijan was one of the provinces of Caucasian Albania, the most ancient state of Northern Azerbaijan. Karabakh has never been part of the Armenian state until the Armenians captured it by brute force in 1992.
Svante E. Cornell, Swedish Scholar

Who did you call 'invader' again? Lol, Keep reading the 'Liar'menian diaspora media publications that feed you with constant Turk paranoia and about your artificial 'greatness'. Either with diplomacy or military force, Karabakh will return to it's righteous owner sooner or later, and that is Azerbaijan. 'You' are the invader according to international law.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Only the Kurds. Turkmen, Arabs and Azeris already have countries. If you want more land or old land back, it's greed.

[Tonuquq]

The Roots of Persian Chauvinism in South-Azerbaijan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gihDE8cWF34

. Iran will fall with a single blow of Tebriz.
Abulfaz Elchibey, The Second President of Azerbaijan

I would say 'Azerbaijanis are not Turks' too if I was a Persian chauvinist since the Azerbaijani population in Iran is 25-30 million Lol. The term 'Azeri' was invented by Stalin, it is a made up entity.

[Tonuquq]

The Two Turk Empires at War, Ottoman and Safavid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekhwuGykzi4

[zarzian]

I
The Two Turk Empires at War, Ottoman and Safavid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekhwuGykzi4

Keep dreaming, Safavids were fully Persians and so were the Afshars, they were fighting Torks on all sides.

[Pahli]

The Two Turk Empires at War, Ottoman and Safavid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekhwuGykzi4

Safavids were serving Persian values and country, not Turk ... They were once close to put an end to the Ottoman Empire in Anatolia :)

Also, Azerbaijanis are divided, not all of them consider themselves Turks ... Those Azeris who are unhappy with Iran can go to Turkey or Azerbaijan ... I doubt many will go, only a few pan-Turdanists would.

[Armenian Bishop]

Always the same old memorized garbage. Keep dreaming trolls, it is free ... Enjoy it dumb trolls[/SIZE][/FONT].

There is something called psychological projection, in which the accused mirrors back the negative traits of the accuser: "Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in themselves, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

This is the case with Tonuquq, who shoots from the hip, and is very loose with his tongue, when it comes to accusing others of being trolls. In fact, Tonuquq is the real troll here. By the way, an honest mistake doesn't add up to trolling, there has to be a malicious intent, and in the case of Tonuquq, maliciousness has been quite evident.

[Tonuquq]

I

Keep dreaming, Safavids were fully Persians and so were the Afshars, they were fighting Torks on all sides.


Safavids were serving Persian values and country, not Turk ... They were once close to put an end to the Ottoman Empire in Anatolia :)

Also, Azerbaijanis are divided, not all of them consider themselves Turks ... Those Azeris who are unhappy with Iran can go to Turkey or Azerbaijan ... I doubt many will go, only a few pan-Turdanists would.


There is something called psychological projection, in which the accused mirrors back the negative traits of the accuser: "Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in themselves, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

This is the case with Tonuquq, who shoots from the hip, and is very loose with his tongue, when it comes to accusing others of being trolls. In fact, Tonuquq is the real troll here. By the way, an honest mistake doesn't add up to trolling, there has to be a malicious intent, and in the case of Tonuquq, maliciousness has been quite evident.

http://i.imgur.com/iXD7hX2.gif

[Charles Bronson]

Turkmens already have a country (infact Southern parts of Turkmenistan is actually Iranian lands), Azerbaijanis already have a country, most identify themselves as Iranian / Persian, Qashqai people don't really need / want a country, Arabs don't have anything to do in Iran.


in 1000 years, it will still exist.

[Pahli]

in 1000 years, it will still exist.

Sure, why would Iranians be interested in Turkmenistan, apart from some old ruins dating thousands of years ago

[Charles Bronson]

without the turkmen qizilbash that would safavid-dynasty a vassal state of the ottomans. the persian even say that their own men not accounts are compared with the turkomans.

[lameduck]

so many land locked states will greatly reduce the socioeconomic+geopolitical potential that current union is providing.

[Tonuquq]

without the turkmen qizilbash that would safavid-dynasty a vassal state of the ottomans. the persian even say that their own men not accounts are compared with the turkomans.

Do not bother to respond the loser trolls. They have already been defeated.

[N1019]

The ethnic minorities may one day be "given" independence from Tehran whether they want it or not. Read into that what you will.

[Proto-Shaman]

ok but,
We "Azeris"? since when call Azerbaijan Turks themselves Azeri?
fuck of troll... btw good thread
This is true, Turks from Azerbaijan call themselves Azer. Az-Er. Az people. It's like calling Turks Turki xD

[Qara]

This is true, Turks from Azerbaijan call themselves Azer. Az-Er. Az people. It's like calling Turks Turki xD

Is the source of your ass? What a bullshit?
http://blogs.publico.es/strambotic/files/2013/12/and-jesus-wept-iii-ricky-barnard.jpg

Man, the name of Azerbaijan is derives from "Aturpatakan", an old Iranian name is influenced by Arabic. It was a vassal of Persia.
You can see it in Sasanid Persia.
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/mladjov/files/sasanidpersia.jpg
Over the span of millennia the name evolved to Āturpātākān then to Ādharbādhagān, Ādharbāyagān, Āzarbāydjān and present-day Azerbaijan.

Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn Al-Masudi (896-956), the Arab historian states:
"The Persians are a people whose borders are the Mahat Mountains and Azarbaijan up to Armenia and Aran, and Bayleqan and Darband, and Ray and Tabaristan and Masqat and Shabaran and Jorjan and Abarshahr, and that is Nishabur, and Herat and Marv and other places in land of Khorasan, and Sejistan and Kerman and Fars and Ahvaz...All these lands were once one kingdom with one sovereign and one language...although the language differed slightly. The language, however, is one, in that its letters are written the same way and used the same way in composition. There are, then, different languages such as Pahlavi, Dari, Azari, as well as other Persian languages."

[Proto-Shaman]

Is the source of your ass? What a bullshit?
http://blogs.publico.es/strambotic/files/2013/12/and-jesus-wept-iii-ricky-barnard.jpg

Man, the name of Azerbaijan is derives from "Aturpatakan", an old Iranian name is influenced by Arabic. It was a vassal of Persia.
You can see it in Sasanid Persia.
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/mladjov/files/sasanidpersia.jpg
Over the span of millennia the name evolved to Āturpātākān then to Ādharbādhagān, Ādharbāyagān, Āzarbāydjān and present-day Azerbaijan.

Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn Al-Masudi (896-956), the Arab historian states:
"The Persians are a people whose borders are the Mahat Mountains and Azarbaijan up to Armenia and Aran, and Bayleqan and Darband, and Ray and Tabaristan and Masqat and Shabaran and Jorjan and Abarshahr, and that is Nishabur, and Herat and Marv and other places in land of Khorasan, and Sejistan and Kerman and Fars and Ahvaz...All these lands were once one kingdom with one sovereign and one language...although the language differed slightly. The language, however, is one, in that its letters are written the same way and used the same way in composition. There are, then, different languages such as Pahlavi, Dari, Azari, as well as other Persian languages."
So, 35.000.000 Turks are actually Persian. It's ok.

[Qara]

^ What a connection?

[Halgurd]

Fun fact: The Azeri city of Baylakan (or however you spell it) was named after my clan (Belikan) because they used to live there.

"The Savalan mountains of Azerbaijan were settled by the Belikan and Badh Kurdish tribes (still extant as the Belikan, Baz, and Bazayni tribes), which had imparted their tribal name to the towns of Baylaqan and Badh, the latter serving as Babak's capital." [source: A concise handbook The Kurds by Mehrdad R. Izady (1992)]

[Proto-Shaman]

^ What a connection?

Language of Hell is Turkic language
-Persian mollah Ayetullah Mojtehedi
:D

[Qara]

Language of Hell is Turkic language
-Persian mollah Ayetullah Mojtehedi
:D

If he said it, probably he is an Idiot.

[Proto-Shaman]

If he said it, probably he is an Idiot.
man, that's a compliment for us. we feel honoured by being called so.

[adsız]

Azerbaijani deputy, Qənirə Paşayeva said: "There is no race called "azeri". We people of Azerbaijan are all Turks".

(Except some lower kurdish miggrants living/working in Azerbaijan.)

http://img.haberler.com/haber/641/azeri-milletvekili-ganire-pasayeva-sivas-ta-7175641_x_o.jpg

[Pahli]

So, 35.000.000 Turks are actually Persian. It's ok.

35 million ... Turks? Lol.

They aren't Turks and they're not 35 million :)

[Pahli]

Azerbaijani deputy, Qənirə Paşayeva said: "There is no race called "azeri". We people of Azerbaijan are all Turks".

(Except some lower kurdish miggrants living/working in Azerbaijan.)

http://img.haberler.com/haber/641/azeri-milletvekili-ganire-pasayeva-sivas-ta-7175641_x_o.jpg

Azeris asslicking on Turks on news and medias aren't surprising me, selling their identities away to become Turks is so funny

[Qara]

I always support to receive education in mother tongue for Iranian Azerbaijanis. I want it. I want it also for Kurds, baloch, and others.

Azerbaijani language should be second official language in Azerbaijan provinces such as Ardabil, East Azerbaijan, West Azerbaijan, Zanjan, Qazvin, Hameadan etc.
Kurdish languages should be second official language in Kurdish provinces such as Kordestan, Kermanshah, Ilam and Northern Khorasan.

Iran is a great, multi-language and multi-cultural country. For thousands of years Iranian Azeris, Persians and others have been living together peacefully therefore Iranian government should be more democratic and must be compatible with human rights.

But the independence of the Iranian Azerbaijanis is unrealistic as historical, cultural, religious.
Azerbaijan has been a part of Iran for thousands of years from Medes until Qajars as historical and geographically.
Look at those maps!

Medes
http://www.memo.fr/Media/Carte_Empire-Medes.jpg

Parthian
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Parthian_Empire_at_it's_greatest_extent.png

Sasanid
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/SassanidEmpireUnderShapur1.gif

Safavid
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/The_maximum_extent_of_the_Safavid_Empire_under_Sha h_Abbas_I.png

and last one Qajars. Before treaty of Golestan.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/Greatest_extent_of_the_Qajar_empire.png

I cannot think an Iran without Azeris. Azeris are powerful ethnic group in Iran as historical, political, religious, literary . Azeri art and Azeri literature is part of the Iran, and more related with Persian than Anatolian Turks. They have a common cultural and historical heritage. For example, Azeris called as "Ajam" by Eastern Anatolian Turks and Kurds in the Kars, Iğdır, Erzurum, Van, Ağrı, Ardahan etc. Ajam means Persian as you know.Also, Azeris are dependent on Iran as religious. We are Shia and Azerbaijani nation was a result of Shia in the Iran during Safavid period. Most of peoples in Azerbaijan had spoken Iranic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Azeri_language), North Caucasian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lezgian_language) and Shirvani Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirvani_Arabic) before the Safavids therefore the independence of the Iranian Azerbaijanis is unrealistic and dream. Pan-Turkism and Turanism are poisonous ideas and unrealistic, it was just a dream. Pan-Turkism and Pan-Aryanism, those stupid ideas died many years ago. I want to be realistic. Iran should be a democratic federation with Azeris.

[Qara]

Azerbaijani deputy, Qənirə Paşayeva said: "There is no race called "azeri". We people of Azerbaijan are all Turks".

(Except some lower kurdish miggrants living/working in Azerbaijan.)

http://img.haberler.com/haber/641/azeri-milletvekili-ganire-pasayeva-sivas-ta-7175641_x_o.jpg

My great grandfather, he never lived in Iran or Russia, but he called as Azeri himself. It is a big lie.

Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn Al-Masudi (896-956), the Arab historian states:
"The Persians are a people whose borders are the Mahat Mountains and Azarbaijan up to Armenia and Aran, and Bayleqan and Darband, and Ray and Tabaristan and Masqat and Shabaran and Jorjan and Abarshahr, and that is Nishabur, and Herat and Marv and other places in land of Khorasan, and Sejistan and Kerman and Fars and Ahvaz...All these lands were once one kingdom with one sovereign and one language...although the language differed slightly. The language, however, is one, in that its letters are written the same way and used the same way in composition. There are, then, different languages such as Pahlavi, Dari, Azari, as well as other Persian languages."

[Pahli]

Well too bad some Azeris have been brainwashed by their "Turkic brothers" to think otherwise, even Khorasan has been lost, which is ancient Iranian lands, cities like Samarqand and Bukhara with Tajik majority is under Uzbek rule ... These Turkic people are just invaders and landstealers, they haven't contributed to anything good :)

[Halgurd]

Long live Aryana and the great Iranic race!

Our dignity shall be restored! We are the legacy of our forefather - the great hero Matiene and our forefathers Madayu and Parsu!

Iranic mythology is actually really awesome.

[Qara]

I have bad news for GAMOH and Turanists. There are many intermarriages between Azeris and Persians in central Iran especially Tehran, Qazvin, Qum, Hamedan, Isfahan, Markazi and Karaj. Many Azeris have Persian relatives and many Persians have Azeri relatives in Tehran. Many Azeris are married with Persians. Because it isn't a problem for them.

Also, most of Iranian Azeris identify themselves as Iranian, not Azeri, not Tork.

[Halgurd]

My great grandmother is from Qale Paswe, an 11,000 year old village in Naqadeh that is identified by Minorsky with Parsua tribe. Naqadeh is full of Azeris so we have lived side by side for a long time.

Kurds and Azeris have had a good history together too. The Republic of Mahabad had a principle of brotherhood between Azeris and Kurds

[Böri]

I have bad news for GAMOH and Turanists. There are many intermarriages between Azeris and Persians in central Iran especially Tehran, Qazvin, Qum, Hamedan, Isfahan, Markazi and Karaj. Many Azeris have Persian relatives and many Persians have Azeri relatives in Tehran. Many Azeris are married with Persians. Because it isn't a problem for them.

Also, most of Iranian Azeris identify themselves as Iranian, not Azeri, not Tork.

It's good for social integration but not always enough. In 1980s like 40% of marriages were mixed in Sarajevo Bosnia between Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats and it didn't help stay unite. What mainstream Azeris think matter, they want to stay Iranian or join their brothers in North? Marriages dont matter when it's about this. Central Iran not so important, Tabriz more important.

[Pahli]

It's good for social integration but not always enough. In 1980s like 40% of marriages were mixed in Sarajevo Bosnia between Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats and it didn't help stay unite. What mainstream Azeris think matter, they want to stay Iranian or join their brothers in North? Marriages dont matter when it's about this.

The Balkan conflict is on another level and cannot be compared to two similar ethnicities.

[Iron Sheik]

ahahaha Khamenei is half azeri/Half Persian. You honestly think he'll let Azerbaijan separate and become a part of some big nato-supported Azerbaijan project, because some gray wolves in Ankara said so? Because some cheap, fabricated pan-turanist sentimentality will appeal to Iranian azeris? LOL. If turks want Azerbaijan, Come get it. Seriously the "Tork e khar" has never been more true for the Anatolian turks and azeri irredentists in this thread. They think Azerbaijan separating from iran is some walk in the park or as easy as cutting a cake.

People have seen how the wolves of Turan treat their own shiah brothers in Iraq, when it comes to real action and not just lip-service. LOL. They backstabbed them and let ISIS eat them up. Because removing PKK is more important than pan-Turanism. They even let ISIS piss on the Turkmen-front headquarters, a Turkic nationalist party in Iraq. LOL. Even shiah arabs and shiah Persians have done more for Turkmen. Than Anatolian turks ever will.

One of the biggest counterassault rescue operations on a siege by ISIS on the Turkmen inhabited town, amerli. Was broken off by a joint force of shiahs, kurds and aymericans. Where were the Anatolian turks then? Eating kebabs, saying saz gönder, patting their bellies and farting. There wasn't even a fucking militia composed of volunteer gray-wolves defending turkmens, when they needed that the most. There are more turks in ISIS than fighting ISIS. That says a lot about the Turkish mentality.

To the azeris. Hand on heart. What have the ottoman turks ever done for you in recent times?

Anatolian Turks are all hard talk, threat here and treat there. But when it comes to hard times. They think about the important things. Themselves. Terrorism on soft targets in Germany and else of course, they'll be very keen on. But they're like a bunch of pussies when it comes to operating in difficult violent predicaments. Like Iraq.

[Böri]

The Balkan conflict is on another level and cannot be compared to two similar ethnicities.

They were more similar the Yugoslavs. All same languages, all Communists and religions almost disappeared. Despite 40% mixed marriages it didn't help.

[Pahli]

They were more similar the Yugoslavs. All same languages, all Communists and religions almost disappeared. Despite 40% mixed marriages it didn't help.

Of course it didn't help, these ethnicities had very different history, and have different cultures, Serbs and Bosniaks are not alike at all culturally, and can't stand eachother ... No matter how much you marry them together, thats not the same case with Iranians and Azeris.

[Böri]

Of course it didn't help, these ethnicities had very different history, and have different cultures, Serbs and Bosniaks are not alike at all culturally, and can't stand eachother ... No matter how much you marry them together, thats not the same case with Iranians and Azeris.

The Yugoslavs ethnicities are racially, linguistically same thing. Their religious identity separated them in the age of communism. Before 1990 no hate between Serbian and Bosniak. Here Turkic Iranians have a separate world than Iranic Iranians, the Azeris also have a state North of them, bright and progressing. Attractive state compared to Iran. Different language also. Religion unites them with Persians but younger generation Persians seem agnostics when Azeris still Mahdists. It will be difficult to keep united after some time. Some intermarriages in Central Iran won't change minds in Tabriz region.

[Pahli]

The Yugoslavs ethnicities are racially, linguistically same thing. Their religious identity separated them in the age of communism. Here Turkic Iranians have a separate world than Iranic Iranians, the Azeris also have a state North of them, bright and progressing. Attractive state compared to Iran. Different language also. Religion unites them with Persians but younger generation Persians seem agnostics when Azeris still Mahdists. It will be difficult to keep united after some time. Some intermarriages in Central Iran won't change minds in Tabriz region.

It doesn't matter, "Turkic Iranians" .... The only Turkic thing about them is language, perhaps a little bit cultural or genetical but they cluster a lot more with Iranians. But if the Azeris want their own country ... and I'm mainly talking about those wannabe Turk Azeris, they can cross the border to Azerbaijan, we won't miss them :)

[Böri]

It doesn't matter, "Turkic Iranians" .... The only Turkic thing about them is language, perhaps a little bit cultural or genetical but they cluster a lot more with Iranians. But if the Azeris want their own country ... and I'm mainly talking about those wannabe Turk Azeris, they can cross the border to Azerbaijan, we won't miss them :)

Nobody cares genetics except this forum. Of all people, Turks consider Crimean Tatars closest in the world maybe. Tatars have 100% genetic affinities with Anatolian Turks? No. The Yugoslavs are genetic exact same things, but they separated to three. What matters it's collective minds of people, how they identify, what they dream. I don't say Azeris will take territories, I just say intermarriages doesnt help for such stuff.

[Pahli]

Nobody cares genetics. Of all Turks consider Crimean Tatars closest in the world. 100% genetic affinities with Anatolian Turks? No. The Yugoslavs are genetic exact same things, but they separated to three. What matters it's minds of people, how they identify, what they dream. I don't say Azeris will take territories, I just say intermarriages doesnt help for such stuff.

Still, intermarriage or not, the Azeri-Iran bond is very strong, and only those who are brainwashed and blinded by pan-turkish ideas and grey wolf shit have a problem, good thing they aren't a majority.

[Iron Sheik]

The Yugoslavs ethnicities are racially, linguistically same thing. Their religious identity separated them in the age of communism. Before 1990 no hate between Serbian and Bosniak. Here Turkic Iranians have a separate world than Iranic Iranians, the Azeris also have a state North of them, bright and progressing. Attractive state compared to Iran. Different language also. Religion unites them with Persians but younger generation Persians seem agnostics when Azeris still Mahdists. It will be difficult to keep united after some time. Some intermarriages in Central Iran won't change minds in Tabriz region.

Yeah i'm sure. I'm still waiting for the compelling reason that will convince azeris to separate. Maybe Khamenei will wake up one day and go "ahh my heart burns for TURAN... THE MONGOL EYES, THEY BLIND ME FOR MY HEATHERNY, I'VE STRAYED OF THE PATH TO TURAN". Then he'll start to metamorph into a super-turk and dissolve iran.

Iranian Azeris fought and died for the Islamic revolution, fighting alongside everyone else, in the iran-iraq war. That memory is a millions times more important than some fake, artificial pan-turanism produced by a some deluded gray wolves in basements masturbating to some great pan-Turkic empire. Infact ottomans were the biggest enemies of shiah turks if there ever was one.

[Böri]

Yeah i'm sure. I'm still waiting for the compelling reason that will convince azeris to separate. Maybe Khamenei will wake up one day and go "ahh my heart dies for TURAN... THE MONGOL EYES, THEY BLIND ME FOR MY HEATHERNY, I'VE STRAYED OF THE PATH TO TURAN". Then he'll start to metamorph into a super-turk and dissolve iran.

Iranian Azeris fought and died for the Islamic revolution, fighting alongside everyone else. That memory is a millions times more important than some fake, artificial pan-turanism. Infact ottomans were the biggest enemies of shiah turks if there ever was one.
It was 500 years ago sectarian. The people of world started not to care so much for religion. Believe me I wish people still so religious and morally correct. I wish religion keep them together. But there is realities of life. Also if they separate it's not for Mongolia, it's for Baku. The other Azeris. So, it's not that I want civil war in Iran and people kill each other. This is just perspective.

[Pahli]

It was 500 years ago sectarian. The people of world started not to care so much for religion. Believe me I wish people still so religious and morally correct. I wish religion keep them together. But there is realities of life. Also if they separate it's not for Mongolia, it's for Baku. The other Azeris. So, it's not that I want civil war in Iran and people kill each other. This is just perspective.

But you obviously want Azeris to break free and join Turkey .... If Armenia wasn't blocking your dreams :)

[Iron Sheik]

It was 500 years ago sectarian. The people of world started not to care so much for religion. Believe me I wish people still so religious and morally correct. I wish religion keep them together. But there is realities of life. Also if they separate it's not for Mongolia, it's for Baku. The other Azeris. So, it's not that I want civil war in Iran and people kill each other. This is just perspective.
Lol? and? Again what reasons? They'll say. Oh ok, lets join baku, because it's more important than the past 300 years.

[Proto-Shaman]

I have bad news for GAMOH and Turanists. There are many intermarriages between Azeris and Persians in central Iran especially Tehran, Qazvin, Qum, Hamedan, Isfahan, Markazi and Karaj. Many Azeris have Persian relatives and many Persians have Azeri relatives in Tehran. Many Azeris are married with Persians. Because it isn't a problem for them.

Also, most of Iranian Azeris identify themselves as Iranian, not Azeri, not Tork.
Iranian Azer Turks consider themselves as the only true Aryans, that's why they consider themselves as the guardians of Iran, and that's why Ibn Khaldun said "Iran, land of the Turks". No offense bro.

[Iron Sheik]

Iranian Azer Turks consider themselves as the only true Aryans, that's why they consider themselves as the guardians of Iran, and that's why Ibn Khaldun said "Iran, land of the Turks". No offense bro.

Dude... azeris are turkicized north-west irenics. They used to speak azari and talysh.

[Proto-Shaman]

Dude... azeris are turkicized north-west irenics. They used to speak azari and talysh.
Yes, I know every single Azer Turk is just a turkicized Iranic. It's a myth bro, just because a few million south Azer Turks cluster with Persians it doesn't necessarily mean they are all assimilated Iranics. No doubt many of them look Persian.

[Qara]

I have bad news for Pan-Turkists.

Turanist parties of Azerbaijan received less 5% votes in the last presidental elections.
New Azerbaijan Party managed by the Ilham Aliyev received 84% votes.

(Ilham Aliyev dislikes Turkey and Turks according to Wikileaks sources)

Ideology of Turanism isn't common in Azerbaijanis. Azerbaijanis are not interested in Turanism.

[Iron Sheik]

Yes, I know every single Azer Turk is just a turkicized Iranic. It's a myth bro, just because a few million south Azer Turks cluster with Persians it doesn't necessarily mean they are all assimilated Iranics. No doubt many of them look Persian.
Lol... no... they're highly related to kurds and almost always cluster in Iran.

[adsız]

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You are a kurd. So, your words means nothing.

Turan idea is very strong in not only North Azerbaijan, but also in South Azerbaijan (now North Iran).

in 2013, when i attended a meeting held in Istanbul to curse the massacre of civilians in Khojali by armenian soldiers, i talked to many Azerbaijani Turks who came from South Azerbaijan for the meeting. I bet you can not talk this way against those .

[Qara]

Leaders of Azerbaijani Turanist parties have Kurdish and Lezgian origins dramatically. ;) Isa Gambar is leader of Azerbaijani Turanists and his parents are originated in "Kürdler" village and they have Kurdish roots.
https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCrdl%C9%99r_(C%C9%99lilabad)
http://profliqa.blogspot.com.tr/2013/04/isa-qmbr-azrbaycan-muxaliftini-frladr.html

Most of Azerbaijani Turanists are non-Turkic. LoL.

[Proto-Shaman]

I have bad news for Pan-Turkists.

Turanist parties of Azerbaijan received less 5% votes in the last elections.
New Azerbaijan Party managed by the Ilham Aliyev received 84% votes.

Ideology of Turanism isn't common in Azerbaijanis. Azerbaijanis are not interested in Turanism.
5% Azerbaijan and 13% in Turkey, wow shocking news. You don't need to vote for "pan-turkist" parties to be a pan-turkist. Learn the difference. Azers are Turks fullstop.

[Proto-Shaman]

Lol... no... they're highly related to kurds and almost always cluster in Iran.
cool then 40% of Kurds are actually Turkmen in origin?

[Halgurd]

Leaders of Azerbaijani Turanist parties have Kurdish and Lezgian origins dramatically. ;) Isa Gambar is leader of Azerbaijani Turanists and his parents are originated in "Kürdler" village and they have Kurdish roots.
https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCrdl%C9%99r_(C%C9%99lilabad)

Most of Azerbaijani Turanists are non-Turkic. LoL.

We have a name for those traitors in Kurdish, we call them "jash" literally meaning donkeys foal.

[adsız]

LeL.



It was a mistake of damn Ottoman Sultan Selim who saved kurds against Shah Ismail, the great Turkmen Sultan and commander.

If Ottoman Sultan had not saved low race kurds in 1514, Shah Ismail would behead all kurds. And there would be no problem today. :)

[Pahli]

5% Azerbaijan and 13% in Turkey, wow shocking news. You don't need to vote for "pan-turkist" parties to be a pan-turkist. Learn the difference. Azers are Turks fullstop.

No matter how many times you tell yourself they are Turk, the reality is, they are NOT :)

[Pahli]

It was a mistake of damn Ottoman Sultan Selim who saved kurds against Shah Ismail, the great Turkmen Sultan and commander.

If Ottoman Sultan had not saved low race kurds in 1514, Shah Ismail would behead all kurds. And there would be no problem today. :)

Or if the Sassanids had massacred all the poor Dogturks before the Arabs came, then you wouldn't be here and the world would have been a better place :)

Problems come with Turks, where they go, where ever they've been :)

Look at the Balkans, economic shithole.

[Proto-Shaman]

No matter how many times you tell yourself they are Turk, the reality is, they are NOT :)
You need reality check :bored:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57172&d=1430082267

[Pahli]

You need reality check :bored:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57172&d=1430082267

Their language is Turkic, but that doesn't make one Turkic / Turkish? :)

They are Azeris, calling them Turks is just to claim that they are of Turkic origin, which is also false :)

[Qara]

You are a kurd. So, your words means nothing.

Turan idea is very strong in not only North Azerbaijan, but also in South Azerbaijan (now North Iran).

in 2013, when i attended a meeting held in Istanbul to curse the massacre of civilians in Khojali by armenian soldiers, i talked to many Azerbaijani Turks who came from South Azerbaijan for the meeting. I bet you can not talk this way against those .

Man, I remember you from another forum and you have 0% East Eurasian (Turkic) influence according to your gedmatch results.

My father have 16.5% and I have 12% East Eurasian, and you say me "You are Kurd".

My dad and I have most Central Asian influence among Gedmatch Azeris.

What a dramatic? If you wonder, I can send my and my dad's Gedmatch ID :))))))))))

[Pahli]

Man, I remember you from another forum and you have 0% East Eurasian (Turkic) influence according to your gedmatch results.

My father have 16.5% and I have 12% East Eurasian, and you say me "You are Kurd".

My dad and I have most Central Asian influence in Gedmatch Azeris.

What a dramatic? If you wonder, I can send my and my dad's Gedmatch ID :))))))))))

He is butthurt because you aren't "Turk" and you're telling him the truth, which he can't handle xD

[Qara]

He is butthurt because you aren't "Turk" and you're telling him the truth, which he can't handle xD

I bet I have 10x more Turkic influence than many Turanists.

[Pahli]

I bet I have 10x more Turkic influence than many Turanists.

Turkic influence =/= Turk?

Seriously these people think Turkic influence makes you Turk automatically ... Such logic :)

[Proto-Shaman]

Their language is Turkic, but that doesn't make one Turkic / Turkish? :)

They are Azeris, calling them Turks is just to claim that they are of Turkic origin, which is also false :)
makes no sense to me. no other arguments?

[Pahli]

makes no sense to me. no other arguments?

What arguments should I use? Its pretty clear that Azeris are Turkic influences Iranians, but this doesn't make them Turks, neither does speaking the language.

[Qara]

https://twitter.com/hashtag/k%C3%B6yl%C3%BCt%C3%BCrkler

This hashtag in the twitter was started by a Terekeme from Azerbaijan. So probably he is more Turkic than all of Anatolian Turks. But I bet he also is Kurd according to Turks :)

[adsız]

Man, I remember you from another forum and you have 0% East Eurasian (Turkic) influence according to your gedmatch results.

My father have 16.5% and I have 12% East Eurasian, and you say me "You are Kurd".

My dad and I have most Central Asian influence among Gedmatch Azeris.

What a dramatic? If you wonder, I can send my and my dad's Gedmatch ID :))))))))))

You have some Turkic blood but ZERO Turkic nobility.

So, you are still a low race with your dirty kurd blood.

I hope Azerbaijani government send you kurdsbefore producing too much all to Zagros Mountains in Iran. :)
You kurds are trouble makers everywhere.

Incest, female genital circumcision, terror, theft, drug, berdel....Take all and go away.

[Proto-Shaman]

What arguments should I use? Its pretty clear that Azeris are Turkic influences Iranians, but this doesn't make them Turks, neither does speaking the language.
Yes, its pretty clear, for sure. Azers are as much Turkic influenced as Kurds are Iranic influenced.

[Qara]

You have some Turkic blood but ZERO Turkic nobility.

So, you are still a low race with your dirty kurd blood.

I hope Azerbaijani government send you kurdsbefore producing too much all to Zagros Mountains in Iran. :)
You kurds are trouble makers everywhere.

Incest, female genital circumcision, terror, theft, drug, berdel....Take all and go away.

Hello adsiz.

Do you remember Hovann Simonian and administrators of Armenian project at FTDNA? ;)

[Qara]

Friends, a Hamshen Armenian is saying me that you aren't Azeri. Wtf???

[adsız]

Hello adsiz.

Do you remember Hovann Simonian and administrators of Armenian project at FTDNA? ;)

I think i know him. He is a fraud gaymenian. he fooled a FTDNA people by lie and convinced him add me to his project. I complained about him. He apologised. i still keep correspondance with FTDNA.

You came from abf? Collapsed now ?

[adsız]

Friends, a Hamshen Armenian is saying me that you aren't Azeri. Wtf???

Associating me with armenians will make you feel any better ? you are still a kurd who has a low culture. Incest, FGM, drug traffic, theft, berdel....

Ed: You can be a gaymenian living in Azerbaijan too... not sure.

[Halgurd]

Associating me with armenians will make you feel any better ? you are still a kurd who has a low culture. Incest, FGM, drug traffic, theft, berdel....

Go fuck a donkey m8

[Pahli]

Go fuck a donkey m8

He probably did, it is a Tengri ritual in Turkey, where all the pan-Turks and pan-Turanists gather together to perform this disgusting ritual :rolleyes:

[Pennywise]

I don't understand why some Turks here trying to convince some Iranian Azeri donkey riders. They're assimilated bunch of Perso-Turkic mongrels. Besides, only minority of Azeri population from Azerbajian think that Turks and Azeris are bros. Many others don't even care. Azeris are total lost case. Just fuck off them already.

[Pahli]

I don't understand why some Turks here trying to convince some Iranian Azeri donkey riders. They're assimilated bunch of Perso-Turkic mongrels. Besides, only minority of Azeri population from Azerbajian think that Turks and Azeris are bros. Many others don't even care. Azeris are total lost case. Just fuck off them already.

Are you mad because they rejected your invitation to the annual "fuck an animal" ritual? :)

[Iron Sheik]

He probably did, it is a Tengri ritual in Turkey, where all the pan-Turks and pan-Turanists gather together to perform this disgusting ritual :rolleyes:

Not a donkey, a wolf. They must molest wolves in-order to enter Turkic Valhalla. Where all ferhats and mehmets end up. But first they must commit beastiality to prove their complete devotion to tengRI THE WORLD SKY GOD:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengri



HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH



In Turkic mythology, Tengri is a pure, white goose that flies constantly over an endless expanse of water, which represents time. Beneath this water, Ak Ana ("White Mother") calls out to him saying "Create". To overcome his loneliness, Tengri creates Er Kishi, who is not as pure or as white as Tengri and together they set up the world. Er Kishi becomes a demonic character and strives to mislead people and draw them into its darkness. Tengri assumes the name Tengri Ülgen and withdraws into Heaven from which he tries to provide people with guidance through sacred animals that he sends among them. The Ak Tengris occupy the fifth level of Heaven. Shaman priests who want to reach Tengri Ülgen never get further than this level, where they convey their wishes to the divine guides. Returns to earth or to the human level take place in a goose-shaped vessel. :
What a fucking lame creation story. Abrahamic genesis is more convincing than this crap. A goose(non-sapient creatures) basically creates a non-pure goose wife and together they create the world, urged by some aquatic water tart who lives in the water. Then they have some sort of separation and create some manchiean dualism.

good-lord. No wonder Abrahamic prophets hated idolators. They were really fucking stupid. No wonder pan-turanists are schizophrenic. Their religious identity is based on some lame shit, a 10 year old at a daycare center made up.

[adsız]

only minority of Azeri population from Azerbajian think that Turks and Azeris are bros. Many others don't even care.

Same in turkey. That "minority" is enough though. Azerbeijan Turks are our brothers. Always.

[Alphawolf]

Fun fact: The Azeri city of Baylakan (or however you spell it) was named after my clan (Belikan) because they used to live there.



Belikans are pred. kurdized Turkomans. Their tribal name is derived from the Turkish Word "Beli" "Back" and Kan "Blood".

[Pahli]

Same in turkey. That "minority" is enough though. Azerbeijan Turks are our brothers. Always.

As if they want to be brothers with savages :rolleyes:

[Iron Sheik]

turanists can go masturbate to some goose porn. Leave the rest of the sane world to the sane.

[Qara]

Ladies and gentilmen!

A Turkish guy is still saying me that "You aren't Azeri, you are zero Turkic" because of I'm not Pan-Turkist and I don't belive in Pan-Turkist lies.

http://i.imgur.com/v0zFoQx.png

Adsiz, that is a piece of my dad's Gedmatch Eurogenes K13 results. He has most Central Asian heritage among Gedmatch Azeris.
But, I'm not surprised after his results, because his family belong to most powerful Azerbaijani tribes, he has got Ayrumlu, Qajar and Qarapapaq heritages. Probably, he has got more Central Asian blood than your people :) But we are Kurdish according to you. Wtf?

Man, I have got most Azeri blood in the Gedmatch :)) You picked the wrong guy.

[Pennywise]

Are you mad because they rejected your invitation to the annual "fuck an animal" ritual? :)

Kurdish monkey, I know you are trying to use every single chance against Turks, you are nothing but jobless pathetic forum retard but take a break. Go interest some another threads, this forum wasn't made for only talk about Turks. You are 7/24 online, at least improve your little brain with useful threads. Half of the posts of this thread belong to you, like many other similar threads.

[Ice]

Iran occupies south azerbaijan(tebriz), but this "azeri" troll attacks turks.

I don't care about his genetic results, there were also jews who helped hitler.

[Pahli]

Kurdish monkey, I know you are trying to use every single chance against Turks, you are nothing but jobless pathetic forum retard but take a break. Go interest some another threads, this forum wasn't made for only talk about Turks. You are 7/24 online, at least improve your little brain with useful threads. Half of the posts of this thread belong to you, like many other similar threads.

Just leave if you can't handle the pressure big boi :)

I can't take a break knowing that Turks are around, so I must do my duty to piss you off with my legitimate posts and facts, which in end makes you pissed off :)

[Proto-Shaman]

turanists can go fuck tengris gooseasshole. Leave the rest of the sane world to the sane.

Sassanids changed the Tengri-belief in Heavenly God for ”renewed” Zoroastrianism and thus made their power plenipotentiary.

[Iron Sheik]

Sassanids changed the Tengri-belief in Heavenly God for ”renewed” Zoroastrianism and thus made their power plenipotentiary.

Not really. They followed traditional Zoroastrianism. There was no presence of turks or even turkics in the iranic world at that point. They were limited to altai and inner Mongolia. And there were many buffer zones. Stop projecting your own historical revisionism just to make shit up about your limited cultural influence. You guys didn't exist as a real population until the 7-8th century.

[Pahli]

Not really. They followed traditional Zoroastrianism. There was no presence of turks or even turkics in the iranic world at that point. They were limited to altai and inner Mongolia. And there were many buffer zones. Stop projecting your own historical revisionism just to make shit up about your limited cultural influence. You guys didn't exist as a real population until the 7-8th century.

Too bad the Sassanids didn't get rid of all of them before the Arabs came :(

[adsız]

Ladies and gentilmen!

A Turkish guy is still saying me that "You aren't Azeri, you are zero Turkic" because of I'm not Pan-Turkist and I don't belive in Pan-Turkist lies.

http://i.imgur.com/v0zFoQx.png

Adsiz, that is a piece of my dad's Gedmatch Eurogenes K13 results. He has most Central Asian heritage among Gedmatch Azeris.
But, I'm not surprised after his results, because his family belong to most powerful Azerbaijani tribes, he has got Ayrumlu, Qajar and Qarapapaq heritages. Probably, he has got more Central Asian blood than your people :) But we are Kurdish according to you. Wtf?

Man, I have got most Azeri blood in the Gedmatch :)) You picked the wrong guy.

You said you were 25% Turkic and 75% k*rd before.



How can i know it? A Turk would not lie this much.

Your mother is also a Turk or ..?

[Pennywise]

Just leave if you can't handle the pressure big boi :)

I can't take a break knowing that Turks are around, so I must do my duty to piss you off with my legitimate posts and facts, which in end makes you pissed off :)

Bunch of Turk raped you when you are child or something? :laugh: You are admitting your asspain. I'm surprised.

[Pahli]

Bunch of Turk raped you when you are child or something? :laugh: You are admitting your asspain. I'm surprised.

No, I just get my IQ lowered by reading your retarded posts ... Even other people complain about lowered IQ when they have read your posts :)

[adsız]

Why does the idea of TURAN irritate you k*rds, gaymenians and iranian this much ? while there is similar like NATO, EU,...

[Qara]

Iran occupies south azerbaijan(tebriz), but this "azeri" troll attacks turks.

I don't care about his genetic results, there were also jews who helped hitler.

Does Iran occupy southern Azerbaijan?
Man, southern Shia Azeris resisted to Ottoman occupation with their Persian Shia brothers in the history. Ottomans was never able to occupy our land (thanks God). Ottoman soldiers (your ancestors) was kicked from Tabriz by the Safavid. We aren't Ottoman. You should try to go to the Balkans, if you want to play Neo-Ottomanism.

[Pahli]

Why doees the idea of TURAN irritates you k*rds, gaymenians and iranian this much ? while there is similar like NATO, EU,...

Because we don't want to live under savages that clearly can't run countries + you owe us some land that doesn't belong to you, are you really that retarded? :)

[Azalea]

Same in turkey. That "minority" is enough though. Azerbeijan Turks are our brothers. Always.

I am an Anatolia Turkish diasporan whose ancestors are originally from Iran. I have met many Azeris from both Azerbaycan and Iran and because of my ancestry I have a great interest in the region and it's people. From my personal contact with these people I can say that there is a strong Turk consciousness among Iranian Azeris. While Azerbaycan Azeris tend to see Turkey more as a brother nation rather than a twin nation, Azeris from Iran see themselves as Turks and are proud to identify as such. Don't let yourself get carried away by a few outcasts. The topic opener is an Azeri Turk from Iran himself. Then you have users like Yalquzaq, Kartalkavkaz and many more who are Azeris either from Azerbaycan or Iran and their opinion about this matter couldn't be any more different from Araz'.

People, especially Araz, seem to mix up pan-Turanistic ideas with self-identification. The fact that not every Azeri is interested in fighting for a pan-Turanistic state (like who is? you guys really think that the majority of Turkey-Turks cares for a Turan? :lol:) Bu sure that Azeris in Iran identify as Turk. There are plenty of videos online to back me up. Like I said, there is even a much stronger Turk consciousness among Azeris from Iran than those living in Azerbaycan. The fact that there are a lot of mixes doesn't change anything about that. Neither does the fact that a part of them are assimilated. These things are normal and occur among all ethnic minority groups. For example, Kurdish-Turkish marriages in Turkey are more common than anything yet there is still a strong Kurdish consciousness among Kurds which will not die anytime soon. There are also plenty of Kurds who identify with Turkey and are proud to be from the Turkish sphere - see for example the Kurdish user Be-Real. So the mixing thing doesn't change much about that. One of my friends in school was half Persian, half Azeri Zoroastrian from Iran yet she and her Turkic-Azeri family were more Turk than most Turks I've met from Turkey.

Araz doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between his own bias and what Azeris in general think. I have no idea where his bias comes from but I have seen him making racist remarks towards Turks in other forums too.

[Iron Sheik]

I am an Anatolia Turkish diasporan whose ancestors are originally from Iran. I have met many Azeris from both Azerbaycan and Iran and because of my ancestry I have a great interest in the region and it's people. From my personal contact with these people I can say that there is a strong Turk consciousness among Iranian Azeris. While Azerbaycan Azeris tend to see Turkey more as a brother nation rather than a twin nation, Azeris from Iran see themselves as Turks and are proud to identify as such. Don't let yourself get carried away by a few outcasts. The topic opener is an Azeri Turk from Iran himself. Then you have users like Yalquzaq, Kartalkavkaz and many more who are Azeris either from Azerbaycan or Iran and their opinion about this matter couldn't be any more different from Araz'.

People, especially Araz, seem to mix up pan-Turanistic ideas with self-identification. The fact that not every Azeri is interested in fighting for a pan-Turanistic state (like who is? you guys really think that the majority of Turkey-Turks cares for a Turan? :lol:) Bu sure that Azeris in Iran identify as Turk. There are plenty of videos online to back me up. Like I said, there is even a much stronger Turk consciousness among Azeris from Iran than those living in Azerbaycan. The fact that there are a lot of mixes doesn't change anything about that. Neither does the fact that a part of them are assimilated. These things are normal and occur among all ethnic minority groups. For example, Kurdish-Turkish marriages in Turkey are more common than anything yet there is still a strong Kurdish consciousness among Kurds which will not die anytime soon. There are also plenty of Kurds who identify with Turkey and are proud to be from the Turkish sphere - see for example the Kurdish user Be-Real. So the mixing thing doesn't change much about that. One of my friends in school was half Persian, half Azeri Zoroastrian from Iran yet she and her Turkic-Azeri family were more Turk than most Turks I've met from Turkey.

Araz doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between his own bias and what Azeris in general think. I have no idea where his bias comes from but I have seen him making racist remarks towards Turks in other forums too.

Stop lying. You live In Holland. You've never set foot in Iran. You're from some Turkish girl from cicilian Anatolia. And you're family is from Adana. Khorasan today has nothing to do with turkics.

[Pahli]

I am an Anatolia Turkish diasporan whose ancestors are originally from Iran. I have met many Azeris from both Azerbaycan and Iran and because of my ancestry I have a great interest in the region and it's people. From my personal contact with these people I can say that there is a strong Turk consciousness among Iranian Azeris. While Azerbaycan Azeris tend to see Turkey more as a brother nation rather than a twin nation, Azeris from Iran see themselves as Turks and are proud to identify as such. Don't let yourself get carried away by a few outcasts. The topic opener is an Azeri Turk from Iran himself. Then you have users like Yalquzaq, Kartalkavkaz and many more who are Azeris either from Azerbaycan or Iran and their opinion about this matter couldn't be any more diverse than Araz'.

People, especially Araz, seem to mix up pan-Turanistic ideas with self-identification. The fact that not every Azeri is interested in fighting for a pan-Turanistic state (like who is? you guys really think that the majority of Turkey-Turks cares for a Turan? :lol:) Bu sure that Azeris in Iran identify as Turk. There are plenty of videos online to back me up. Like I said, there is even a much stronger Turk consciousness among Azeris from Iran than those living in Azerbaycan. The fact that there are a lot of mixes doesn't change anything about that. Neither does the fact that a part of them are assimilated. These things are normal and occur among all ethnic minority groups. For example, Kurdish-Turkish marriages in Turkey are more common than anything yet there is still a strong Kurdish consciousness among Kurds which will not die anytime soon. There are also plenty of Kurds who identify with Turkey and are proud to be from the Turkish sphere - see for example the Kurdish user Be-Real. So the mixing thing doesn't change much about that. One of my friends in school was half Persian, half Azeri Zoroastrian from Iran yet she and her Turkic-Azeri family were more Turk than most Turks I've met from Turkey.

Araz doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between his own bias and what Azeris in general think. I have no idea where his bias comes from but I have seen him making racist remarks towards Turks in other forums too.

Though I'm not a believer in god, one theory goes: God's punishment was to bring Turkic people to the Middle East and Central Asia, and spread their disease that has now brainwashed numerous Iranians and other non-Iranian people ... Jesus fucking christ, what is wrong with you Turks laying claim onto everything and everyone xD

[Azalea]

Stop lying. You live In Holland. You've never set foot in Iran.

I have never said I set foot in Iran.

[Pahli]

I have never said I set foot in Iran.

Then your statements are false, the majority of Azeris do NOT see themselves as Turks, the community is divided.

[Azalea]

Though I'm not a believer in god, one theory goes: God's punishment was to bring Turkic people to the Middle East and Central Asia, and spread their disease that has now brainwashed numerous Iranians and other non-Iranian people ... Jesus fucking christ, what is wrong with you Turks laying claim onto everything and everyone xD

All the arguments you are using to de-Turkify certain Turkic ethnic groups can be applied to Iranians too. From genetics to language. Just keep that in mind.

Other than that, I have no interest in discussing anything with you. The only thing you do is recycle the same garbage in every thread about Turks. You have no clue about genetics or history or what so ever. :bored:

[Kamal900]

I don't understand why some Turks here trying to convince some Iranian Azeri donkey riders. They're assimilated bunch of Perso-Turkic mongrels. Besides, only minority of Azeri population from Azerbajian think that Turks and Azeris are bros. Many others don't even care. Azeris are total lost case. Just fuck off them already.

Like most Turkic peoples around the globe who wouldn't wish to associate with Turks and Turkey, and the racist pan-nationalist myths of Turanism.

[Peter Nirsch]

honestly I don't care a fuck :)

[Qara]

Iran occupies southern Azerbaijan according to a Turk :) But Iran is ruled by an Azeri (Khamenei) today, and Azeri dynasties (Qajars, Afshars, Safavids) in the history. Very interesting.

[Pahli]

All the arguments you are using to de-Turkify certain Turkic ethnic groups can be applied to Iranians too. From genetics to language. Just keep that in mind.

Other than that, I have no interest in discussing anything with you. The only thing you do is recycle the same garbage in any thread. You have no clue about genetics or history. :bored:

Well then get your knowledge to this thread Miss genetic expert, Azeris are not ethnic Turks or Turkic :rolleyes:

Prove to me they are Turks.

[Pahli]

Like most Turkic peoples around the globe who wouldn't wish to associate with Turks and Turkey, and the racist pan-nationalist myths of Turanism.

Bro, Turks are known to steal cultures and history and everything that can be stolen ... In this case they are know saying that Azeris are Turkic, which is one of the best steal attempts ever seen :biggrin:

[Iron Sheik]

All the arguments you are using to de-Turkify certain Turkic ethnic groups can be applied to Iranians too. From genetics to language. Just keep that in mind.

Other than that, I have no interest in discussing anything with you. The only thing you do is recycle the same garbage in every thread about Turks. You have no clue about genetics or history or what so ever.

I'd like to see your supremely compelling argument, beyond the I have 2-3% east-Eurasian on admixture tests. I'm a full-blooded turk from inner Mongolia, BS.





Bro, Turks are known to steal cultures and history and everything that can be stolen ... In this case they are know saying that Azeris are Turkic, which is one of the best steal attempts ever seen.
They're outta their minds dude. I've seen pan-turanists trying to claim sumeria as Turkic. Next they'll come up with a theory that Zulu empire are lost negro-turkics. They're fucking crazy.

[Pennywise]

Like most Turkic peoples around the globe who wouldn't wish to associate with Turks and Turkey, and the racist pan-nationalist myths of Turanism.

Turanism is a political ideology and has no validity in modern Turkey. It's a dead concept since mid. 20th century. Seeing other Turkic nations as brothers has nothing to do with Turanism.

[Pahli]

Turanism is a political ideology and has no validity in modern Turkey. It's a dead concept since mid. 20th century. Seeing other Turkic nations as brothers has nothing to do with Turanism.

He ment that other Turkic countries don't like to be associated with Turkey as brothers :)

[adsız]

Iran occupies southern Azerbaijan according to a Turk :) But Iran is ruled by an Azeri (Khamenei) today, and Azeri dynasties (Qajars, Afshars, Safavids) in the history. Very interesting.

Turkey is ruled by a half Georgian. So what ?

[Pahli]

Turkey is ruled by a half Georgian. So what ?

He claims to be fully Turk and shits on his Georgian background.

[Ice]

@ Turcoman Alevis from Turkey

Read Araz al Irevanî's messages carefully. He's the authentic qizilbash and look he hates the Turks more than any ethnic persian. He has literally to prove his loyality to persian interests by attacking his heritage. I bet his grandmother couldnt speak single word persian. And if there is a war between turkey and iran, this "torke khar" - thats how persians call him - will be the first one to risk his life.

My Alevi brothers , i hope you now understand better how dangerous and imperialistic Shia / Iran is.

Imo Turkey should annex northern azerbaijan before scum like him get more power. Our turkic brothers in northern azerbaijan are not alone. We'll see later if we can save Tebriz. And maybe it's about time kurds in iran also get their freedom.

[Pahli]

@ Turcoman Alevis from Turkey

Read Araz al Irevanî's messages carefully. He's the authentic qizilbash and look he hates the Turks more than any ethnic persian. He has literally to prove his loyality to persian interests by attacking his heritage. I bet his grandmother couldnt speak single word persian. And if there is a war between turkey and iran, this "torke khar" - thats how persians call him - will be the first one to risk his life.

My Alevi brothers , i hope you now understand better how dangerous and imperialistic Shia / Iran is.

Imo Turkey should annex northern azerbaijan before scum like him get more power. Our turkic brothers in northern azerbaijan are not alone. We'll see later if we can save Tebriz. And maybe it's about time kurds in iran also get their freedom.

Please try, so I can watch the medias and see your Turkic people get massacred in the same way the Armenians got massacred, I'll ready my popcorn for this entertaining show :)

[Kamal900]

Turanism is a political ideology and has no validity in modern Turkey. It's a dead concept since mid. 20th century. Seeing other Turkic nations as brothers has nothing to do with Turanism.

Its a pan-Turkic ideology that seeks in dominating others and etc. I don't see any commonality between brown skinned Turks and turanid Bashkirs or Kazakhs who are a blend between Iranic and Turkic peoples. Turks are mostly Turkified Anatolians with some Turkic mixture in their gene pool, and they have NO genetic relations to Mongols despite the linguistic affiliation between the two peoples. Most Azeris don't wish to play the whole Turanist game with Turks and etc, and they just wish to live in peace and quite. Why is it a bad thing?

[Qara]

A Laz and a Hamshen Armenian want to play Neo-Ottomanism and Turanism on my ethnic group. I'm trying to resist it and that's why I'm a Kurdish according to them. What a beautiful world. Yes, 84% of Azerbaijan are Kurd because of they voted to anti-Turanist Aliyev.


Azeri lider, Türk hükümetinin kendilerine “arka bahçe” muamelesi yapmaya çalıştığını da öne sürerek, “Tüm amacımız kendimizi Yeni Osmanlıcılık’tan korumak” şeklinde konuştu.

http://www.internethaber.com/aliyev-turkiyeye-demedigini-komamis-369756h.htm

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PKn-FPHVOjo/UWaLTonzuQI/AAAAAAAALPY/Olh1A7mkybA/s1600/If+you+have+one,+try+to+use+it+please+!.jpg

[Iron Sheik]

Khorasan is Turkic:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIWLV6j9fDQ

Khorasan, very Turkic area! TURKIC STRONK.

[Pahli]

@ Turcoman Alevis from Turkey

Read Araz al Irevanî's messages carefully. He's the authentic qizilbash and look he hates the Turks more than any ethnic persian. He has literally to prove his loyality to persian interests by attacking his heritage. I bet his grandmother couldnt speak single word persian. And if there is a war between turkey and iran, this "torke khar" - thats how persians call him - will be the first one to risk his life.

My Alevi brothers , i hope you now understand better how dangerous and imperialistic Shia / Iran is.

Imo Turkey should annex northern azerbaijan before scum like him get more power. Our turkic brothers in northern azerbaijan are not alone. We'll see later if we can save Tebriz. And maybe it's about time kurds in iran also get their freedom.

Do you mind me annexing huge parts of Turkmenistan and Eastern Uzbekistan? We Iranians should definitely save Tajiks from savage Turkic people .... Thats how you sound like right now lmao :rolleyes:

While I'm at it, I'll annex half of Turkey as well.

[adsız]

So, what is needed is to abolish all sect .

[Iron Sheik]

So, what is needed is to abolish all sect .

It will never happen. Because there are more powerful forces at hand than you retarded pan-turanists.

[Azalea]

I'd like to see your supremely compelling argument, beyond the I have 2-3% east-Eurasian on admixture tests. I'm a full-blooded turk from inner Mongolia, BS.
Modern Azeris are an acknowledged Turkic group by all serious anthropologists and Turkologists. This is not even a discussion anymore. The only people who seem to have a hard time dealing with this are Pan-Iranists and other Iranian nationalists.

When it comes to Iranians Azeris and their self-identification. Why don't you google a little bit? Surf on youtube for a few minutes? Here are some Iranian Azeris from Sweden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTC3dL_x00E

It took me 30 seconds to find this one.


They're outta their minds dude. I've seen pan-turanists trying to claim sumeria as Turkic. Next they'll come up with a theory that Zulu empire are lost negro-turkics. They're fucking crazy.

Not even comparable really. No serious Turkologists or anthropologists agrees with Sumerians being a Turkic civilization. Unlike Azeris being a Turkic ethnic group. Which is an accepted fact by all serious scholars.

[Pennywise]

Its a pan-Turkic ideology that seeks in dominating others and etc. I don't see any commonality between brown skinned Turks and turanid Bashkirs or Kazakhs who are a blend between Iranic and Turkic peoples. Turks are mostly Turkified Anatolians with some Turkic mixture in their gene pool, and they have NO genetic relations to Mongols despite the linguistic affiliation between the two peoples. Most Azeris don't wish to play the whole Turanist game with Turks and etc, and they just wish to live in peace and quite. Why is it a bad thing?

Not everyone think like a racist Arab my friend. Racism is commong among Arabs, you seeing things from that perspective. Therefore your kind slaughtering eachothers for centuries. Forget the being same race, being from different clan is enough to hate or discriminate to an another Arab. Stop repeating same stupid "gene pool" argument like a fucking parrot for fuck's sake. No one care about it. And none of those "Turanist" Turks want to take their "peace" or etc.

[Ice]

A Laz and a Hamshen Armenian want to play Neo-Ottomanism and Turanism on my ethnic group. I'm trying to resist it and that's why I'm a Kurdish according to them. What a beautiful world. Yes, 84% of Azerbaijan are Kurd because of they voted to anti-Turanist Aliyev.


http://www.internethaber.com/aliyev-turkiyeye-demedigini-komamis-369756h.htm

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PKn-FPHVOjo/UWaLTonzuQI/AAAAAAAALPY/Olh1A7mkybA/s1600/If+you+have+one,+try+to+use+it+please+!.jpg

You don't represent Azeri Turks. You're a coward, brainwashed religious fanatic.

One day Azerbaijan will reunite my friend. And you will run for your life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA4CRNAOWx8

[Kamal900]

Not everyone think like a racist Arab my friend. Racism is commong among Arabs, you seeing things from that perspective. Therefore your kind slaughtering eachothers for centuries. Forget the being same race, being from different clan is enough to hate or discriminate to an another Arab. Stop repating same stupid "gene pool" argument like a fucking parrot for fuck's sake. None of those "Turanist" Turks want to take their "peace" or etc.

The hypocrisy of your kind is stunning to say the least. Turks to this day are extremely racist towards armenians, kurds, greeks, assyrians, arabs and other non-Turkish minorities in Turkey, and your kind keep calling these races with racial slurs, demonization, attacks and etc which the Turkish authority pay little attention about. Being an Arab is just an cultural term only, and many Arabs today come from many diverse ancestries and backgrounds. Obviously, i don't cater in to pan-Arabist ideologies, and i deeply care about my people(be it ethnic Levantines, Bedouins and etc) and to the people who i consider as friends regardless of ethnic affiliation and etc. I live in a nation where the population is extremely diverse and etc, and i have no problems living here and etc. Oman may not be a secular country and etc, but it has ONE thing that Turkey will NEVER have and that is peace and stability. Why not give kurds and other minorities their rights and etc? Your kind should look at their own racism and supremacism first before talking about racism of other peoples.

[Pahli]

Modern Azeris are an acknowledged Turkic group by all serious anthropologists and Turkologists. This is not even a discussion anymore. The only people who seem to have a hard time dealing with this are Pan-Iranists and other Iranian nationalists.

When it comes to Iranians Azeris and their self-identification. Why don't you google a little bit? Surf on youtube for a few minutes? Here are some Iranian Azeris from Sweden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTC3dL_x00E

It took me 30 seconds to find this one.



Not even comparable really. No serious Turkologists or anthropologists agrees with Sumerians being a Turkic civilization. Unlike Azeris being a Turkic ethnic group. Which is an accepted fact by all serious scholars.

Yeah, language defines ethnicity :rolleyes:

Luckily its not all Azeris that share the "Turk" thoughts as you and your Azeri "TURK TURAN BROTHERS"

[Qara]

@ Turcoman Alevis from Turkey

Read Araz al Irevanî's messages carefully. He's the authentic qizilbash and look he hates the Turks more than any ethnic persian. He has literally to prove his loyality to persian interests by attacking his heritage. I bet his grandmother couldnt speak single word persian. And if there is a war between turkey and iran, this "torke khar" - thats how persians call him - will be the first one to risk his life.

My Alevi brothers , i hope you now understand better how dangerous and imperialistic Shia / Iran is.

Imo Turkey should annex northern azerbaijan before scum like him get more power. Our turkic brothers in northern azerbaijan are not alone. We'll see later if we can save Tebriz. And maybe it's about time kurds in iran also get their freedom.

Hahahaha LoL. I don't care Alevis from Turkey. But your Ottomans killed many Alevis and tried to assimilate them. I don't care it.
My any grandparents can't speak Persian :) Maybe great great great... parents could speak it because of they were citizens of Iranian empire.

[Qara]

You don't represent Azeri Turks. You're a coward, brainwashed religious fanatic.

One day Azerbaijan will reunite my friend. And you will run for your life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA4CRNAOWx8

Yes, I don't according to you.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/k%C3%B6yl%C3%BCt%C3%BCrkler?f=realtime

Don't play populism against an Azeri LoL.

[Iron Sheik]

Not everyone think like a racist Arab my friend. Racism is commong among Arabs, you seeing things from that perspective. Therefore your kind slaughtering eachothers for centuries. Forget the being same race, being from different clan is enough to hate or discriminate to an another Arab. Stop repeating same stupid "gene pool" argument like a fucking parrot for fuck's sake. No one care about it. And none of those "Turanist" Turks want to take their "peace" or etc.

Yeah i'm sure, you're non-racist, with this sig. Turn with wind with the shoe fits right? LOL
http://i.hizliresim.com/ogz5r7.jpg






Modern Azeris are an acknowledged Turkic group by all serious anthropologists and Turkologists. This is not even a discussion anymore. The only people who seem to have a hard time dealing with this are Pan-Iranists and other Iranian nationalists.
This might be true. But this also proves that Turkic is not an organic concept anymore. Just a culture. Just as makes sense to call some dude from Saudi Arabia and arab speaking alawite from latakia, the same, because that's what it means. It has no actual grounding in science beyond cultural-ties and turkification.





When it comes to Iranians Azeris and their self-identification. Why don't you google a little bit? Surf on youtube for a few minutes? Here are some Iranian Azeris from Sweden:.
Yes, because 100 azeris-iranians influenced by pan-turkicism constitutes millions of people. Great logic.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTC3dL_x00E

It took me 30 seconds to find this one.

[adsız]

It will never happen. Because there are more powerful forces at hand than you retarded pan-turanists.

You are too late..

http://www.jandarma.tsk.tr/dis/TAKM_dosyalar/image003.jpg

[Pennywise]

The hypocrisy of your kind is stunning to say the least. Turks to this day are extremely racist towards armenians, kurds, greeks, assyrians, arabs and other non-Turkish minorities in Turkey, and your kind keep calling these races with racial slurs, demonization, attacks and etc which the Turkish authority pay little attention about. Being an Arab is just an cultural term only, and many Arabs today come from many diverse ancestries and backgrounds. Obviously, i don't cater in to pan-Arabist ideologies, and i deeply care about my people(be it ethnic Levantines, Bedouins and etc) and to the people who i consider as friends regardless of ethnic affiliation and etc. I live in a nation where the population is extremely diverse and etc, and i have no problems living here and etc. Oman may not be a secular country and etc, but it has ONE thing that Turkey will NEVER have and that is peace and stability. Why not give kurds and other minorities their rights and etc? Your kind should look at their own racism and supremacism first before talking about racism of other peoples.

Lol. Turkey is the successor of the Ottoman Empire, which is destroyed by those "ethnic minorites". They were and still our historical enemies, this is normal to many people hate from them. What's your excuse? you guys are beheading eachothers since the pagan times. Arabs weren't even warlike people, they were just maniacs. Even prophet Mohammed can't fixed your kind. After his dead, Arabs start killing eachothers again :) don't slush your filt onto us.

[Azalea]

lmao did I just see an Arab joining this discussion and saying shit like 'brown Turks'. Like is this really happening? :lol:

[Iron Sheik]

You are too late..

http://www.jandarma.tsk.tr/dis/TAKM_dosyalar/image003.jpg

yes because khazakistan which is rife with salafist islamists, and it's government is trying to get into the Eurasian union by putin. Is actually going to send their armies to help Azerbaijan conquer Iranian Azerbaijan. What great fantasy world you live in. Posting some fucking meeting between officers means shit.

[Ice]

Hahahaha LoL. I don't care Alevis from Turkey. But your Ottomans killed many Alevis and tried to assimilate them. I don't care it.
My any grandparents can't speak Persian :) Maybe great great great... parents could speak it because of they were citizens of Iranian empire.

It's okay with me if you don't like Turkey or Ottoman Empire, but you shouldnt drop your Azeri Turkish identity.

All i want is unificiation of Azerbaijan, more rights for Azeri Turks in general. I don't care that much about religon or culture. Ottoman Turks are also influenced by iranian culture. If you like it, keep it.

[Qara]

@ Turcoman Alevis from Turkey

Read Araz al Irevanî's messages carefully. He's the authentic qizilbash and look he hates the Turks more than any ethnic persian. He has literally to prove his loyality to persian interests by attacking his heritage. I bet his grandmother couldnt speak single word persian. And if there is a war between turkey and iran, this "torke khar" - thats how persians call him - will be the first one to risk his life.

My Alevi brothers , i hope you now understand better how dangerous and imperialistic Shia / Iran is.

Imo Turkey should annex northern azerbaijan before scum like him get more power. Our turkic brothers in northern azerbaijan are not alone. We'll see later if we can save Tebriz. And maybe it's about time kurds in iran also get their freedom.

@Azeris from Iran and Azerbaijan.

Read Ice's messages carefully. He's the authentic Sunni Ottoman and look he hates the Shias more than any ethnic Turks. He has literally to prove his loyality to Ottoman interests by attacking his heritage. I bet his grandmother couldnt speak single word Ottoman language. And if there is a war between Israel and Iran, this "Laz" - thats how Israelis call him - will be the first one to risk his life.

My Azeri brothers , i hope you now understand better how dangerous and imperialistic Sunni/Turkey.

[Iron Sheik]

@Azeris from Iran and Azerbaijan.

Read Ice's messages carefully. He's the authentic Sunni Ottoman and look he hates the Shias more than any ethnic Turks. He has literally to prove his loyality to Ottoman interests by attacking his heritage. I bet his grandmother couldnt speak single word Ottoman language. And if there is a war between Israel and Iran, this "Laz" - thats how Israelis call him - will be the first one to risk his life.

My Azeri brothers , i hope you now understand better how dangerous and imperialistic Sunni/Turkey.

They talk about turanism on the internet. Meanwhile their country supports this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS2D0b3XroU&feature=iv&src_vid=1yjAE27tKV4&annotation_id=annotation_302085057

http://www.businessinsider.com/number-of-isis-recruits-come-from-turkey-2014-9?IR=T

http://asbarez.com/125678/10-percent-of-isis-fighters-reportedly-turkish/

[Kamal900]

Lol. Turkey is the successor of the Ottoman Empire, which is destroyed by those "ethnic minorites". They were and still our historical enemies, this is normal to many people hate from them. What's your excuse? you guys are beheading eachothers since the pagan times. Arabs weren't even warlike people, they were just maniacs. Even prophet Mohammed can't fixed your kind. After his dead, Arabs start killing eachothers again :) don't slush your filt onto us.

And didn't Turkic peoples used to do that when their fellow Turko-mongols used to kill their own fellow Turkic brethren in central and north Asia as well? At the very least we have an ancient past, and the Abbasid empire was the 9th largest empire in human history while none of the Turkic empires have reached even at the top 20. Also, most Turks are maniacs like yourself who keeps obsessing about the so called great Turan and other retarded bullshit. Again, being is just a cultural term, and you can find ethnic strife in many societies with diverse backgrounds and etc like Afghanistan, Pakistan and etc while those in the Maghareb, Oman, UAE, Jordan, Syria and etc are united. Whatever a Turkic empire pops up, millions of innocent peoples have their throats cut by them like Timur the "great", who was responsible in killing over 5 percent of the total human population and etc. modern Turkey is a successor to Kemal Ataturk not the Ottoman empire.

[Ice]

@ Araz al Irevanî

You idiot, where i'm from (central turkey) we have clans from Karabakh. Many people have collected money and sent it to you during Karabakh war.

[adsız]

@Azeris from Iran and Azerbaijan.

Read Ice's messages carefully. He's the authentic Sunni Ottoman and look he hates the Shias more than any ethnic Turks. He has literally to prove his loyality to Ottoman interests by attacking his heritage. I bet his grandmother couldnt speak single word Ottoman language. And if there is a war between Israel and Iran, this "Laz" - thats how Israelis call him - will be the first one to risk his life.

My Azeri brothers , i hope you now understand better how dangerous and imperialistic Sunni/Turkey.

In Turan state there will be no sect. A god-free state. But everyone will be free to practise their believes. No matter what.

Why do you accept EU but not Turan Union ?

[Qara]

And if there is a war between turkey and iran, this "torke khar" - thats how persians call him - will be the first one to risk his life.

Man, y0u read Ottoman-Iran history and Ottoman-Iran relations.

There were already a lot of battles between Turkey (Ottomans) and Iran in the history. Guess, who was supported by our ancestors in they wars? Iran or Ottoman?
Azeris already fought against the ottoman together Persians.

Lol. You read history.

[Azalea]

You know when to leave a thead when you are discussing Turkic identity with an Arab white supremacist. :lol:

[Iron Sheik]

You know when to leave a thead when you are discussing Turkic identity with an Arab white supremacist. :lol:

Your arguments were all destroyed by Khamenei. You should have left along time ago.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JFSk-_zhcc

[Qara]

They talk about turanism on the internet. Meanwhile their country supports this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS2D0b3XroU&feature=iv&src_vid=1yjAE27tKV4&annotation_id=annotation_302085057

http://www.businessinsider.com/number-of-isis-recruits-come-from-turkey-2014-9?IR=T

http://asbarez.com/125678/10-percent-of-isis-fighters-reportedly-turkish/

Dreams are Turan, but reality is ISIL. Lol.

[Kamal900]

You know when to leave a thead when you are discussing Turkic identity with an Arab white supremacist. :lol:

Never claimed myself to be white, and i only have said that the dark skinned Turks have nothing in common with the Turkic peoples in central Asia who are just minding their own business. Its seem that you Turks are obsessing with the Azeris ever since Araz showed up here in not identifying with Turks and Turanist causes and etc.

[Azalea]

Your arguments were all destroyed by Khamenei. You should have left along time ago.

There were not even arguments from your side to destroy anything. The simple things you are discussing here have been discussed by professional scholars. So it doesn't really matter what you think or what you say.

[Iron Sheik]

Dreams are Turan, but reality is ISIL. Lol.

Which is why I find it funny they're talking about TURAN. When in reality they're a bunch of cowards, who allowed their own people to get slaughtered in Iraq.




There were not even arguments from your side to destroy anything. The simple things you are discussing here have been discussed by professional scholars. So it doesn't really matter what you think or what you say.
Most scholars agree that before the arrival of turkics to the region that is now called Azerbaijan. There was a widespread local language called azari that was widespread there. Most geneticists will agree that Iranian Azerbaijanis are closer genetically to other Iranians, rather than Turkic tribes in altai river. And closer than to other Iranians than Anatolian turks. Turkicness in the west-asia is almost purely a cultural/linguistic and identity construct. Ask any serious geneticist or anyone with experience in genetics or anthropology.''

You can call azeris turks, but you have no other arguments that aren't socio-identity based.

You're absolutely insane if you think you're strongly related to people who look and live like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGpIzWFzOxw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNEZV_1aDF8

[Azalea]

Never claimed myself to be white, and i only have said that the dark skinned Turks have nothing in common with the Turkic peoples in central Asia who are just minding their own business. Its seem that you Turks are obsessing with the Azeris ever since Araz showed up here in not identifying with Turks and Turanist causes and etc.

You do realize that this thread is opened by an Azeri himself right?

And you are too funny. Trying to teach us something about ourselves. Even calling us brown. Very cute.

[Pahli]

In Turan state there will be no sect. A god-free state. But everyone will be free to practise their believes. No matter what.

Why do you accept EU but not Turan Union ?

Turan state is retarded, if you ever tried, your neighbours would invade your countries and massacre you, you know the chances are close to 0

[Qara]

Friends, I don't want to be a stupid and powerless Gray WOLF, but I want to be stronger šir-o-xoršid.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Lion_and_Sun_Emblem_of_Persia.svg/2000px-Lion_and_Sun_Emblem_of_Persia.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Safavid_Flag.svg

[Ice]

Don't drop your Azeri Turkish identity
Fight for unification of Azerbaijan (north,south,karabakh)

you don't have to love turkey/ottoman empire or to become sunni.

[Iron Sheik]

You do realize that this thread is opened by an Azeri himself right?

And you are too funny. Trying to teach us something about ourselves. Even calling us brown. Very cute.


Hi, my name is azlea. I'm a turk, from adana, who lives in Holland. I'm a turk, like altai kazakhs :rolleyes: :dizzy:

Khorsan was originally a Turkic area :dizzy: :dizzy:

The Neolithic in west-asia was started by Turkics :dizzy:

The ziggurats in Khuzestan are Turkic temples :dizzy:

So are the Ionian tombs from 1k bc :dizzy:

[Azalea]

Hi, my name is azlea. I'm a turk, from adana, who lives in Holland. I'm a turk, like altai kazakhs :rolleyes: :dizzy:

Wow yeah. Totally flabbergasted. How could I have been so wrong all those times? Thanks for enlightening me. Tessekkor. Or 'merci' like you Persians say.

[Qara]

^ You don't also have to think Azeris and South Azerbaijan.

Fight to get back the Balkans and Misak-ı Milli.

[Pennywise]

And didn't Turkic peoples used to do that when their fellow Turko-mongols used to kill their own fellow Turkic brethren in central and north Asia as well? At the very least we have an ancient past, and the Abbasid empire was the 9th largest empire in human history while none of the Turkic empires have reached even at the top 20. Also, most Turks are maniacs like yourself who keeps obsessing about the so called great Turan and other retarded bullshit. Again, being is just a cultural term, and you can find ethnic strife in many societies with diverse backgrounds and etc like Afghanistan, Pakistan and etc while those in the Maghareb, Oman, UAE, Jordan, Syria and etc are united. Whatever a Turkic empire pops up, millions of innocent peoples have their throats cut by them like Timur the "great", who was responsible in killing over 5 percent of the total human population and etc. modern Turkey is a successor to Kemal Ataturk not the Ottoman empire.

I guess you stopped using your brain. Turks were killing eachothers at the dark ages beacuse the life was very hard at the steppes and they have to fight, spoil or kill to stick to the life. There was no other way, even at those times, they united as ally countless times. But what the fuck was wrong with Arabs? I guess life was too comfortable and boring, they decided to make it fun. :) And Atatürk wasn't sent by the god in a bright light, he was an officer of the Ottoman Empire and fought for it many times. Turkey is offically and only successor of the Ottoman Empire.

I don't understand why the idea of "broterhood" of Turkic nations is bother you so much? you are jumping on it ever single fucking time when you heard something about it and you never tell us the reason.

[Ice]

At least i don't deny Oghuz heritage

[Iron Sheik]

Wow yeah. Totally flabbergasted. How could I have been so wrong all those times? Thanks for enlightening me. Tessekkor. Or 'merci' like you Persians say.

That's what you and your bruthas sound like to an outsider. The worst part are those neo-pagan tengrists. Oh boy... I wish there was one here, so I could rip them a new asshole.

[Azalea]

All you hear is yourself....farting. Taking your head out of your ass will help you understand me better. I didn't even say anything about Altai or whatever. I mean why would I? Do we talk about Indians and Pakistanis when discussing Iranians? No. So Altai is irrelevant here.

[Qara]

LoL, I also don't deny it. Probably, I have got more it than others. I do not have to be an ass kisser because of my Oghuz heritage.

Kazakhs are most Turkic people, but they don't care it.

[adsız]

I don't understand why the idea of "broterhood" of Turkic nations is bother you so much? you are jumping on it ever single fucking time when you heard something about it and you never tell us the reason.

I asked it twice, got no return.

Forget its realisation, Turan idea itself looks enough to make them frightened to death. :)

[Azalea]

LoL, I also don't deny it. Probably, I have got more it than others. I do not have to be an ass kisser because of my Oghuz heritage.

Kazakhs are most Turkic people, but they don't care it.

Kazakh people are Turkified Mongolians if anything. Many of them even trace their lineage to Mongol clans. If they are the most Turkic, then so am I. :lol:

[Qara]

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_South_Kyrgyzstan_ethnic_clashes

Uzbek-Kirgiz wars.
Hmmm. Great Turan will be created.

[Azalea]

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_South_Kyrgyzstan_ethnic_clashes

What do you think about this?

http://www.executedtoday.com/images/Firing_Squad_in_Iran.jpg

[OnceLord]

I've had the pleasure (great comedic fodder) of reading the emotional diatribes of Turkish nationalists as a years long anthro lurker. Some of you are so tragically out of touch with reality it is beyond alarming.

I have no interest in your third worldist ethnic squabblings..... But I do have an interest in the region's politics. Especially who our European govt's decide to support. Turkey is the last country we (Europe) should have anything to do with.

Fact of the matter is, speaking as a third party, Turkey has been an abysmal 'partner' to Western governments. On the one hand, feigning modernity to placate the international masses (whether or not you like it the Anglosphere still reigns supreme culturally and that is precisely to whom your government indulges lip service at least when it suits them). On the other, Turkey's neo-imperialistic strategising is clear as day even if it counteracts the greater imperative in the region.

Unsurprisingly for a country run by Islamists (Ataturk must be rolling-lolling in his grave), with a post-imperial foundation, all the actions coincide and befuddle one another.

Can't control your own borders and stopping European citizens (15 year old Bengali girls rushing to get sodomised in the Syrian desert don't exactly exemplify 'European' mentalities or virtues, LoL)... Can't properly stand by your Western allies.... Posture as 'representives of the Muslim world' against Israel only when it suits you... For the Turkish nationalists, can't defend your own 'Mongrelised-Mongol folk blood brothers' (Amerli Turkmen) but a rainbow coalition of 'brown Kurds', triracial Shia Basra Arab militias and chai sipping Iranians rushed to defend them...

Reality check. Turkey at this point is basically a more erratic and stupid version of Pakiland's ISI. At least the latter has Saudi ideological infusion as a pretext to their incoherence. Turkey's current foreign policy runs contrary to their Western partners (this is the part that bothers me as a European taxpayer), their my-yurt-steppe-uncle-touched-me Turanists, Islamists (those two parts just make me LoL), everyone.

What excuse do you people have? Why doth the emotinoal hummus run rancid ad nauseum, O steppics?

Well I guess being walking talking contradictions must have something to do with it. Crying wolf tears for Turan when 99% of your folk (certainly your govt) don't care..... must be frustrating.

The realities aside, I and likely all non-third world ethnic squabblers don't care for what 'Turkics of Iran' do. Just interesting to see nationalists from a post-Imperialist Turkey basically pushing for a historical rival to be broken down... hmmmm....

[Iron Sheik]

All you hear is yourself....farting. Taking your head out of your ass will help you understand me better. I didn't even say anything about Altai or whatever. I mean why would I? Do we talk about Indians and Pakistanis when discussing Iranians? No. So Altai is irrelevant here.

You're not understanding it then. Altai is the centerpoint for Turkic people. The Turkic tribes. So there is no analogy with Pakistan and India. It's their urheimat. The area where the first tribes began to emerge, where turkics have their ethnogenesis. It's what todays Turkmenistan is for indo-Iranians. Turkic's were part of the Altai-Mongolian spectrum of people. As evident in the east-Eurasian admixture gene flow.

[Pennywise]

I asked it twice, got no return.

Forget its realisation, Turan idea itself looks enough to make them frightened to death. :)

I don't think he is "frightining" but for some reason, this subject is the one of his agenda on this forum. I guess some Turkish members insulted Arabs and he got hurt. Now he is trying to get revenge.

[Azalea]

You're not understanding it then. Altai is the centerpoint for Turkic people.

You are not understanding then. Afghanistan is the centerpoint for Indo-Iranic peoples.


The Turkic tribes. So there is no analogy with Pakistan and India. It's their urheimat.
There is a analogy with Pakistan and Afghanistan since their homelands are said to be the urheimat of Iranics.


The area where the first tribes began to emerge, where turkics have their ethnogenesis. It's what todays Turkmenistan is for indo-Iranians. Turkic's were part of the Altai-Mongolian spectrum of people. As evident in the east-Eurasian admixture gene flow.

The Afghanistan area, where the first Iranic began to emerge. Where Iranic have their ethnogenesis. It's what todays Altai is for Turkics. As evident with Northern Euroasian admix in Persian people, which has it's peak in Pathans/Pashtuns.

[OnceLord]

You will have to get used to it Horse Face Khamaneid (what a mouthful LoL); Turkish nationalists distort logic at will in the most spectacular of fashions ('no they feel Turk all the matters' 'no no you are 110% maximum fifth gear Kurd no Azeri I swear it').

The Wachowski brothers should've approached one of these specimens for pointers on The Matrix, LoL ... Undeniably the most entertaining virtual anthro contingents to spectate from afar. Rival the Finns from AF, albeit different reasons

[Ice]

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_South_Kyrgyzstan_ethnic_clashes

Uzbek-Kirgiz wars.
Hmmm. Great Turan will be created.


i wish the best for central asian turkic states, i 'm really concerned about the tragic situation of Uyghurs in Sincan. China will eat them alive i'm afraid..

But i'm also realistic, i don't belive in turan. I only care about having good relations with Azerbaijan.

[adsız]

I don't think he is "frightining" but for some reason, this subject is the one of his agenda on this forum. I guess some Turkish members insulted Arabs and he got hurt. Now he is trying to get revenge.

"They", I did not mean Arabs. It is mostly armenians, iranians and Russians in the region who are scared of idea.

[OnceLord]

i wish the best for central asian turkic states, i 'm really concerned about the tragic situation of Uyghurs in Sincan. China will eat them alive i'm afraid..


This is precisely the point. You shouldn't care. That you care is a symptom of Ataturk's synthesis of Turkish identity with the state. Left a lot of you confused. So much so virtual steppe Turks have for years cried wolf tears over Uigurs in China but haven't said or done a thing since ISIL displaced thousands of your 'Turkic brethren' in Iraq....

Turkishness (at least online) is synonymous with Matrix-bending contradictions. Lol

[adsız]

If Europeans can get united under EU, why not Asian nations ? What is wrong with a Turkic Union ?

[Ice]

This is precisely the point. You shouldn't care. That you care is a symptom of Ataturk's synthesis of Turkish identity with the state. Left a lot of you confused. So much so virtual steppe Turks have for years cried wolf tears over Uigurs in China but haven't said or done a thing since ISIL displaced thousands of your 'Turkic brethren' in Iraq....

Turkishness (at least online) is synonymous with Matrix-bending contradictions. Lol

Ataturk was an atheist. btw, he didn't care about turks in syria(alleppo,lazkiye etc) or even baku.

Isil is dangerous but also supported by western powers, it would be too dangerous and stupid to interfere, but some turkish nationalists(on own initiative) tried to help turkmens in iraq.

I'll always care about uygurs in sincan.

[adsız]

Ataturk was an atheist. btw, he didn't care about turks in syria(alleppo,lazkiye etc) or even baku.



I dont agree with this .

[Iron Sheik]

You are not understanding then. Afghanistan is the centerpoint for Indo-Iranic peoples.


There is a analogy with Pakistan and Afghanistan since their homelands are said to be the urheimat of Iranics.



The Afghanistan area, where the first Iranic began to emerge. Where Iranic have their ethnogenesis. It's what todays Altai is for Turkics. As evident with Northern Euroasian admix in Persian people, which has it's peak in Pathans/Pashtuns.

You're wrong:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Andronovo_culture.png

Either way I don't care about indo-Iranians. They left their language, culture, religion, and some genetic heritage(Especially in Tajikistan/Turkmenistan/Afghanistan/North-Caucasus/certain parts of slav-steppe) before they disappeared off the face of planet. I don't see what the point of overfocusing on them is. You're sorely mistaken if you think I give flea-ridden shit about Iranics, outside of an anthropological and linguistic context. Reality is that a an Azeri shiah turk in iran is closer to myself historically and to most extent culturally, than some Pashtun, Tajik, or Indo-Iranian speaker from Pakistan.

Do you honestly think I sit and praise PAN-IRAN verily because of some distant cultural connection? Reality on planet earth, is that Azeris in Iran are considered an integral part of the population in iran, while a Tajik or Afghan would be considered a foreigner.

[OnceLord]

Ataturk was an atheist. btw, he didn't care about turks in syria(alleppo,lazkiye etc) or even baku.

Isil is dangerous but also supported by western powers, it would be too dangerous and stupid to interfere, but some turkish nationalists(on own initiative) tried to help turkmens in iraq.

I'll always care about uygurs in sincan.

Lol, what I just typed:



Turkishness (at least online) is synonymous with Matrix-bending contradictions. Lol


Now, going through your allegory;



Ataturk was an atheist. btw, he didn't care about turks in syria(alleppo,lazkiye etc) or even baku.


So the founder of your Republic = atheist and strict nationalist, but the large bulk of Turkish nationalists having distorted, befuddled notions of unity with peoples outside your own borders (Uigurs, Kazakhs)..... Contradiction!



Isil is dangerous but also supported by western powers, it would be too dangerous and stupid to interfere, but some turkish nationalists(on own initiative) tried to help turkmens in iraq.


ISIL is on your very doorstep, their emissaries are freely shuttling across your unchecked porous border, have aspirations of undermining Ataturk's Turkish republic - they make no secret their plans to expand towards Rome and beyond - but online Turkish nationalists have openly conspired for years to break down an old regional rival instead... contradiction? Maybe not, but... stupid!



I'll always care about uygurs in sincan.


Good for you.

Before I even think of making the case you're a decent person... interesting you're using the Turkish word for Xinjiang and not the English one. I've noticed many Turks unceremoniously slip in their native spellings into other languages, like an alternate form of "creeping Sharia", passive cultural usurping.

You are typing in English. Use the English names (Xinjiang not 'sincan', Azerbaijan not 'Acarbaycen' or however you Turks choose to mutilate that or other names when typing in English). I don't have the interest in learning your own conventions when you type in my language.


I dont agree with this .

You don't agree with many things. Got a jolly good laugh out of seeing your chimp-out on Forumbiodiversity when you scored seldom any Asian points (what was it again, 115% Armenian -15% steppe yurt titty guzzler?).

[Danishmend]

Adsiz, that is a piece of my dad's Gedmatch Eurogenes K13 results. He has most Central Asian heritage among Gedmatch Azeris.
But, I'm not surprised after his results, because his family belong to most powerful Azerbaijani tribes, he has got Ayrumlu, Qajar and Qarapapaq heritages. Probably, he has got more Central Asian blood than your people :)


I've seen Turks with almost 20% East Eurasian admixture (I can give you their gedmatch IDs). So what? Anatolian and Azerbaijani Turks ON AVERAGE have similar amounts of East Eurasian admixture (7-10%), whether you like it or not. We also cluster together on a dendrogram (made by an Assyrian member on another forum) based on Eurogenes K8, which is one of the latest and most reliable calculators, as it's based on ancient dna samples (mal'ta boy).

http://i.imgur.com/OWBRI1U.png





But of course, as a hardcore sectarian, you are free to identify yourself as Iranian and spit on your ancestors' identity, that still doesn't change anything unfortunately, Azerbaijani Turks are Turkic. And the thing is, they don't need to be Turanist or pro-Turkey to be Turkic, even if we (Anatolian Turks) were at war with Azerbaijani Turks that would not make Azerbaijani Turks any less Turkic, neeedless to say Turanists in Turkey are a small minority as well. I know you don't like sunni Turks as sunni sectarians in my country don't like shia. But you need to know that the only ones that will take your posts seriosly are some aryanist Iranian members, a no lifer kurd who spends his entire life in front of his PC (Zoran) and a white supremacist Arab with mental disorder (Gilgamesh). So good luck convincing historians with your buttbuddies.


Judging by your results your results you have more Turkic Oghuz ancestry than Iranians have original Indo-European ancestry (Yamnaya), the irony is that Azerbaijani and Anatolian Turks have more Yamnaya-related steppe ancestry than IE-speaking Kurds and Iranians. :/// (Central Asian Turkic peoples have much more)
http://i.hizliresim.com/62ZZaP.png (http://hizliresim.com/62ZZaP)





I don't understand why some Turks here trying to convince some Iranian Azeri donkey riders. They're assimilated bunch of Perso-Turkic mongrels. Besides, only minority of Azeri population from Azerbajian think that Turks and Azeris are bros. Many others don't even care. Azeris are total lost case. Just fuck off them already.

There is actually no difference between you and that Azerbaijani sectarian guy. Control your anger. Do you seriously base your opinion about Azerbaijani Turks on one sectarian guy on the internet? :lol:

[OnceLord]

you are free to identify yourself as Iranian and spit on your ancestors' identity

Any history buff knows the Caucasus was practically Safavid and Qajar territory until the treaty's of Gulistan and Turkmenchay. Any neutral historian will recognise Turkish oriented dynasties ruled Iran/Persia for a millennia. On that basis alone (as if anyone outside virtual anthro cliques even spares a thought about 'genetic heritage' LoL) this Azeri or any other Azeri is historically mandated to view Iran as their identity.

By your infantile tribal reasoning, I should side with German Neo Nazis because Brits and Germans ain't all that different genetically but were historically (as if I need to waste words on that). Or, Cornish Brits should side with Scots or the Celts in France because of their language instead of us English.

Imagine telling an Englishman that they should side with Germany no matter the circumstance and 'feel Germanic' or whatever?

He'd be spitting on his ancestor's identity by siding with the Ottomans. Understand?

You Turkish nationalists.... Lol.... I can understand EliasALucard's interminable frustration with you people now.

[Pennywise]

There is actually no difference between you and that Azerbaijani sectarian guy. Control your anger. Do you seriously base your opinion about Azerbaijani Turks on one sectarian guy on the internet? :lol:

I wasn't angry when I write that. And no, it has nothing to do with that sectarian guy. I saw plenty Azeri like him. I don't hate from Azeris but not fond of them either.

[Danishmend]

Imagine telling an Englishman that they should side with Germany no matter the circumstance and 'feel Germanic' or whatever?

You Turkish nationalists.... Lol

What? Did you even read my post? Did I tell him to side with Turkey?

[Iron Sheik]

I've seen Turks with almost 20% East Eurasian admixture (I can give you their gedmatch IDs). So what? Anatolian and Azerbaijani Turks ON AVERAGE have similar amounts of East Eurasian admixture (7-10%), whether you like it or not. We also cluster together on a dendrogram (made by an Assyrian member on another forum) based on Eurogenes K8, which is one of the latest and most reliable calculators, as it's based on ancient dna samples (mal'ta boy).

http://i.imgur.com/OWBRI1U.png





But of course, as a hardcore sectarian, you are free to identify yourself as Iranian and spit on your ancestors' identity, that still doesn't change anything unfortunately, Azerbaijani Turks are Turkic. And the thing is, they don't need to be Turanist or pro-Turkey to be Turkic, even we (Anatolian Turks) were at war with Azerbaijani Turks that would not make Azerbaijani Turks any less Turkic, neeedless to say Turanists in Turkey are a small minority as well. I know you don't like sunni Turks as sunni sectarians in my country don't like shia. But you need to know that the only ones that will take your posts seriosly are some aryanist Iranian members, a no lifer kurd who spends his entire life on his PC (Zoran) and a white supremacist Arab with mental disorder (Gilgamesh). So good luck convincing historians with your buttbuddies.


Judging by your results your results you have more Turkic Oghuz ancestry than Iranians have original Indo-European ancestry (Yamnaya), the irony is that Azerbaijani and Anatolian Turks have more Yamnaya-related steppe ancestry than IE-speaking Kurds and Iranians. :/// (Central Asian Turkic peoples have much more)
http://i.hizliresim.com/62ZZaP.png (http://hizliresim.com/62ZZaP)






There is actually no difference between you and that Azerbaijani sectarian guy. Control your anger. Do you seriously base your opinion about Azerbaijani Turks on one sectarian guy on the internet? :lol:

blargh blargh . Where are the southern-azeri samples? I don't see them. Which ancestors your ancestors or his ancestors? What's hard to accept about Azeris being a part of modern Iran, and have been for a very long time. Do you think the persophone qajars or the safavids were screaming "TENGRI AKAR, SAZGÖNDER ÖFF ÖFF, OTTOMAN MY BRATHER, BUT HE NOT ME, I FIGHT, FOR LEADER TURAN" at the top of their lungs? It's one the apparent mistakes, often committed by romantic nationalists who project their own concepts and notions into the past. The historical reality is that Turkic tribes in Iran were one of the many tribes fighting over control and power over the region. And not out of nationalist motivations to create a united turan or any nationalist construct. It was out of power and greed, like every other group of people at the time.

Which tribe you belonged to, only mattered as far as the privileges it afforded and standing it posessed. This entire practice of claiming historical tribes and cultures based on modern day ethnic identities and linguistic affinities make little sense. As they existed outside of modern constructs. It's just as contrived and nonsensical as the retarded fucking idiots on this forum who claim different western inventors as their own. As if they invented out of solidarity with recent ideas of white brotherhood or ethnicity.

I can't imagine nikola tesla going "I SLAV, I INVENT BECAUSE I SERBIAN, MATER FUCK ALBANIA, I WILL INVENT SO SERVIA BECOME GREAT SLAV NATION, FOR MAKE SERVIA GREAT NATION STRONK".

facts are that Turkic solidarity is a recent political phenomenon, that stems from the Turkish nationalist movement influenced concurrent or earlier European nationalists. So you telling a descendent of a safavid on the account of their turkishness, that they should relate more to a Anatolian turk than Iranian. Is fucking stupid.

[OnceLord]

What? Did you even read my post?

I quoted you. What does that indicate to you?

I know next to nothing on genetics (history and politics are my hobby horses). Don't expect a response to those.

Unfortunately for the virtual anthro clique crowd (which you are evidently an arse-deep member of given that wall of genetics tomfoolery), the majority of sapient human beings don't consider genes an indicator of identity. Before you protest, observe your signature. An ideal exemplar if I ever needed one, LoL



Did I tell him to side with Turkey?

Typical nationalist forum Turk conflation slippery snake game.....

Your original quote:



you are free to identify yourself as Iranian and spit on your ancestors' identity


Mine:



On that basis alone (as if anyone outside virtual anthro cliques even spares a thought about 'genetic heritage' LoL) this Azeri or any other Azeri is historically mandated to view Iran as their identity.

He'd be spitting on his ancestor's identity by siding with the Ottomans. Understand?


I gave you a series of analogies in between to help you understand similar propositions to what you were insinuating.

Understand? This time? LoL - I don't expect understanding, as it runs against the patently crypto-neo-Ottoman revivalist aspirations of nationalist Turks. You and others like you are fools if you consciously justify your subconscious desire to assert 'oneness' with disparate peoples outside your borders especially here, when they're in your old rival's country.

[Danishmend]

Your original quote:
you are free to identify yourself as Iranian and spit on your ancestors' identity.

On that basis alone (as if anyone outside virtual anthro cliques even spares a thought about 'genetic heritage' LoL) this Azeri or any other Azeri is historically mandated to view Iran as their identity.

He'd be spitting on his ancestor's identity by siding with the Ottomans. Understand?


No one tells him to choose between Turkey and Iran. What I'm saying is, Azerbaijani Turks don't need to be pro-Turkey to be Turkic. Is it really THAT difficult to understand?? Funny how you accuse me of nationalism when the thread is filled with irano-arab racists who spew their hatred, you are most likely a white supremacist anyway.







I gave you a series of analogies in between to help you understand similar propositions to what you were insinuating.

Understand? This time? LoL
Fuck you and your "analogies", genius




--
I'm not even talking to you. Do not quote me again.

[Danishmend]

You Turkish nationalists.... Lol.... I can understand EliasALucard's interminable frustration with you people now.

EliasAlucard? Isn't that the fool who thinks he is more native to scandinavia than Saamis are? Fuck you and your assyrian buttbuddy LOL.

[Danishmend]

I should have guessed you were from ABF. I don't know why but EliasAlucard and his worshippers tend to write endless paragraphs over NOTHING and think they are the smartest human-beings on the earth. They are like a fucking cult or something.

[OnceLord]

No one tells him to choose between Turkey and Iran. What I'm saying is, Azerbaijani Turks don't need to be pro-Turkey to be Turkic. Is it really THAT difficult to understand??


Yet:



you are free to identify yourself as Iranian and spit on your ancestors' identity


Iran is a country. Iranians are a nationality. The same way Britain is a country and British is a nationality. A Welshman, a Scotsman and an Englishman (even those Cornish bastards, love them really) are their own ethnic groups, but are British nonetheless.

Him being an Azeri/Azeri Turk/whatever does not contradict the idea of him belonging to the Iranian nation especially as that nation was effectively run by Azeri Turks (don't care if that rubs Persian nationalists the wrong way, they're no better than your obsolete yurt dreaming anthro clique's hive mentality espouses).



Funny how you accuse me of nationalism when the thread is filled with irano-arab racists who spew their hatred,


No accusations. You are what you portray and state. You and other Turks (more or less broadly aligned with Turkish nationalism) are subconsciously shaping your reality based on old imperialist tendencies. Plain as day for an outsider to see, especially when my ancestors did the same. Except your brand of ethnic nationalism is less covert and more stupid, but I don't care to elaborate on that.



you are most likely a white supremacist anyway.


LoL, so what if I was? Would I be better off being an infantile anthro forum Turkish nationalist, infusing posts with the sorts of emotionally charged content as if the battle of Gallipoli happened just yesterday?

Answer is no for the record. Shame you and your virtual steppe posse aren't actually from the steppes; Lord knows you'd have better cognition from the vitamin D in kumiss and less gyros/doner fat clogging your brain cells.



Fuck you and your "analogies", genius


>Danishbender calls me genius
>only my auntie ever called me genius
>Danishbender therefore my cousin
>OnceLord therefore Turk too

^ This is the sort of gobbledegook Matrix spacetime bending endeavours your wannabe steppe crew have partook in since the AF days. You're not the first and you're not the last.

You'll leave this virtual realm (presumably from doner meat associated cardiac arrest) the same way as your Turkspawn before you (not that I wish you any harm, dear fellow, I am the detached spectator and nothing more).

Appreciate the insignificance of your presence on these forums. Who knows, you might find Tengri after that thought?



Elias Elucard? LOL Isn't that the fool who thinks he is more native to scandinavia than Saamis are? Fuck you and your pathetic assyrian master.


When has he ever stated that? Ludicrous. You're probably putting words in his mouth or misconstruing his words, the same way you have done mine here.

All this anger, LoL.... if that's you in your avatar, I won't be surprised if a massive anthro embolism takes you out before grandmama's doner will.

For the record, I haven't signed up on Forumbiodiversity. You just wasted 20 seconds of your life ranting about that.

[Danishmend]

Typical conversation with an EliasAlucard-worshipper

You: xyz?
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"y"
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"z"
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[OnceLord]

Typical conversation with an EliasAlucard-worshipper

You: xyz?
An EliasAlucard-worshipper: "x" shgıuagııdsfjgıojsdfoıgsjıdgddkgopsdkgosdkgopsdkop gksodpkgopdskopgkdsopkgopsdkgopdskgopdskopgksdopkg opdskopgksdopkgopsdkgopskdgopksgopdsksgğsdgğsagfaj dsbgsagfıadshgıuagııdsfjgıojsdfoıgsjıdgddkgopsdkgo sdkgopsdkopgksodpkgopdskopgkdsopkgopsdkgopdskgopds kopgksdopkgopdskopgksdopk...

Looks more like your internal Turkish monologue to me in both form (ğ) and content (ie unintelligible to 99% of humanity, LoL)

[Danishmend]

When has he ever stated that? Ludicrous. You're probably putting words in his mouth or misconstruing his words, the same way you have done mine here.


Your God believes he is less foreign than Samis in Scandinavia, here you go.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?76049-Are-Uralic-people-white&p=1541170&viewfull=1#post1541170


In other words, although Samis presence is obviously older in Scandinavia than my 25+ years in Sweden, as a matter of genetic and scientific fact, when compared with European ancestry, I am less genetically foreign than Samis in Scandinavia.


I'm done with this thread.

[OnceLord]

Your God believes he is less foreign than Samis in Scandinavia, here you go

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?76049-Are-Uralic-people-white&p=1541170&viewfull=1#post1541170

Thanks for the quote, but in true Turkish anthro clique fashion, you've royally countered yourself. Let's use your English (ie non-Turkish internal monologue) posts here:



What? Did you even read my post?


You certainly didn't read his:



That's cheating. That's not an intro-European PCA plot (Chuvash and Siberians are not Europeans, you know).

Here's what your very high IQ doesn't understand: on 23andMe, I am in the intra-European PCA plot. Many Finns are too, but notably, some Finns aren't. Now, since it's a well known genetic fact that Samis have even more non-European admixture than Finns (and mind you, this non-European admixture isn't something rather similar to the European genome, such as Middle Eastern ancestry, but it is of the Mongoloid variety), it is highly improbable that you'll ever find a Sami who doesn't have have any recent Scandinavian ancestry in the past 200 years, in the intra-European PCA plot.

In other words, although Samis presence is obviously older in Scandinavia than my 25+ years in Sweden, as a matter of genetic and scientific fact, when compared with European ancestry, I am less genetically foreign than Samis in Scandinavia. Now I don't care if Samis are more native to Sweden than I am or even more European than me. The reason I said I'm more native in Sweden than Samis, was because I obviously had to inform that Ice Age girl the genetic reality of her ancestry when she suddenly went into 'Swedes are sacred' mode (i.e., white supremacy) in her attempt to troll me over the fact that there's no independent Assyrian state (as if there's any independent Sami state anyway).


In other words, that foreign non European genetic material Saamis and some Finns have pushes them out of 23andMe's plot, but someone like Elias fits into the plot despite him being Near Easterner. The man even stated why he said that -- second paragraph (in Italics just to aid your cognitively impaired state)

I said this a couple posts back--



I know next to nothing on genetics (history and politics are my hobby horses). Don't expect a response to those.


And even I understood the scenario he is painting here. It makes sense assuming what he describes is correct.

So, on top of being the confirmed 2015 batch of the age old Turkish steppe wannabe anthro clique (ie a bit slow and a bit emotional to put it kindly), you're of the disingenuous and self-defeating variety. Quoting me again--



When has he ever stated that? Ludicrous. You're probably putting words in his mouth or misconstruing his words, the same way you have done mine here.


And people wonder why Brits have a haughty attitude against these sorts of third world scimatar rattlers.... LoL

On a final note - Triple-IQ individuals with an actual grasp on genetics will likely riddle more holes in your -demonstratively- sloppy reasoning skills than your ancestors did into a Janissary's asshole. Since you carry the cumulative burden of Gallipoli and Ataturk on your shoulders, how does that make you feel? :)

[Danishmend]

^LOL Oh my God
Never argue with an EliasAlucard worshipper, never. They are always right.

The guy thinks he is genetically less foreign in Scandinavia than Saamis are, PERIOD. I know you have to defend your God, and I respect your loyalty to be honest. You put a lot of effort into defending him even when he says something ridiculous. Now if you'll excuse me I have a movie to watch.

[Halgurd]

Belikans are pred. kurdized Turkomans. Their tribal name is derived from the Turkish Word "Beli" "Back" and Kan "Blood".

"back blood" ??

We refer to our region as "balakayati" which means bala-high kay(from kuh)- mountain so high mountain which refers to Mt.Halgurd which is one of the tallest peaks in Kurdistan.

We call ourselves Balekî which means "Of the high mountain"

The oldest reference to my clan is by Ptolemy and he placed us in Antep - North of Aleppo. I also find it interesting that Balochis also consider their real homeland around Aleppo. "Baloch" might just be another version of "Balek"

[Pahli]

If Azeris are Turks, call them Turks and not Azeris, thank you. But they are called Azeris, and many are not Turkish / feel Turkish. Good. Does it make them Turkish? No. Those who choose to be Turkish ... Are they Turkish? Yes, they chose it, and can fuck off to Turkbaijan

Turd nationalist: "AZERI HAZ TURKEC INFLUANCE AND MOST BE TURKISH 100%, ALSO SPEEKS OUR SUPERIOR LENGUEGE OF THE STEPPETS HÜHÜHÜ, AZERIS OUR BROTHRS, TENGRI UNITE ALL TURDIC STATES INTO ONE TURAN STATE INSHALLAH"

[OnceLord]

^LOL Oh my God
Never argue with an EliasAlucard worshipper, never. They are always right.


What happened? Glutton for punishment?--



I'm done with this thread.




The guy thinks he is genetically less foreign in Scandinavia than Saamis are, PERIOD. I know you have to defend your God, and I respect your loyalty to be honest. You put a lot of effort into defending him even when he says something ridiculous. Now if you'll excuse me I have a movie to watch.

Anyone with primary school reading comprehension and ability to use a browser to check my post history will readily see I belong to no factions here for now. Another disingenuous debating tactic, but who is surprised at this point? Your kind are both predictable and pitiful in equal measure.

I don't want your 'respect' or any association with your kind. I began this interaction knowing at least one of your yurt-fantasising Turkicist anthro clique members will bite the bait. Just happened to be you. I kicked the metaphorical ball in front of you and you chewed it up with ancestral zeal. Your emotionality makes you the perfect play-thing here. That weird internal Turkish monologue you posted a few pages back proved that convincingly.

Remember this moment the next time that crypto neo-Ottoman nationalistic worm squirms inside your intestines, Generic Anthro Turk n.37; if your heritage was so lofty, we'd be typing in your language. Not mine.

[Proto-Shaman]

If Azeris are Turks, call them Turks and not Azeris, thank you. But they are called Azeris, and many are not Turkish / feel Turkish. Good. Does it make them Turkish? No. Those who choose to be Turkish ... Are they Turkish? Yes, they chose it, and can fuck off to Turkbaijan

Turd nationalist: "AZERI HAZ TURKEC INFLUANCE AND MOST BE TURKISH 100%, ALSO SPEEKS OUR SUPERIOR LENGUEGE OF THE STEPPETS HÜHÜHÜ, AZERIS OUR BROTHRS, TENGRI UNITE ALL TURDIC STATES INTO ONE TURAN STATE INSHALLAH"
Did you know the bozkurt sign originated among Azerbaijanis and not among Turkish MHP? No nation on this earth is pure btw., Persian/Iranic admixure is a normal thing among Azerbaijanis, especially among them. There is even some ancient Iranic substratum among Tatars, Bashkirs and Chuvashes. Does it make them assimilated Turks also? Of course not.

[Pahli]

Did you know the bozkurt sign originated among Azerbaijanis and not among Turkish MHP? No nation on this earth is pure btw., Persian/Iranic admixure is a normal thing among Azerbaijanis, especially among them. There is even some ancient Iranic substratum among Tatars, Bashkirs and Chuvashes. Does it make them assimilated Turks also? Of course not.

I usually don't want to put claim onto things like Turks do, but the Azeri subject is a very difficult one, as the Azeri community itself is divided.

[Proto-Shaman]

..., as the Azeri community itself is divided.
Yes, this is also what I have observed.

[Pahli]

Yes, this is also what I have observed.

But the Turks haven't they think all Azeris are Turks / see themselves as Turks, which is not the case :)

If they think they are Turks, they can go to Azerbaijan, they speak Turkish, if they like Iran, they can stay, no one is forcing them to stay :)

[Qara]

You are not understanding then. Afghanistan is the centerpoint for Indo-Iranic peoples.


There is a analogy with Pakistan and Afghanistan since their homelands are said to be the urheimat of Iranics.

The Afghanistan area, where the first Iranic began to emerge. Where Iranic have their ethnogenesis. It's what todays Altai is for Turkics. As evident with Northern Euroasian admix in Persian people, which has it's peak in Pathans/Pashtuns.

You don't know anything. There are several urheimat hypoteseses about Proto Indo-European and Indo-Iranian branch.

The first scenario: Indo-European languages originated in Yamnaya horizon and Indo-Iranian languages was originated in Central Asia according to hypotesesis of Gimbutas.
The second scenario: Indo-European languages originated in Armenian highlands(Eastern Anatolia), Azerbaijan, Kurdistan and Georgia region. Indo-Iranian branch already was native in N.W. Iranian plateau according to hypoteseses of Ivanov and Gamkrelidze.

If you look at the right side of the picture, you can see first scenario is red, and second is green.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QkmET6jgHYA/VSwl-knxpGI/AAAAAAAAKDs/1bo7evu6POQ/s1600/journal.pone.0122968.g001.PNG

Proto-Indo European and Indo-Iranian urheimats are still big puzzles. I think last Yamaya results is a victory for second scenario.
If Yamna was kurganized/Indo-Europeanized by ancient South Caucasian people from Leyla-Tepe, Maykop and Kura-Araxes cultures?
Yamnayan R1b-Z2103 already is found at 40% frequency in Karabakh-Syunik and Nakhchivan regions, at 35% in Ararat region, at 44% in Talysh people and at over 20% Lur people. Also oldest R1a was originated in same region according to Underhill et al. 2014. Yamnayan samples already have 50% Modern Armenian + 50% Ancient Karelian admixture. I think their Armenian admixture went to Yamna from South Caucasus.

So, urheimat of Iranic speakers still isn't certain.

[Pahli]

You don't know anything. There are several urheimat hypoteseses about Proto Indo-European and Indo-Iranian branch.

The first scenario: Indo-European languages was originated in Yamnaya horizon and Indo-Iranian languages was originated in Central Asia according to hypotesesis of Gimbutas.
The second scenario: Indo-European languages was originated in Armenian highlands(Eastern Anatolia), Azerbaijan, Kurdistan and Georgia region. Indo-Iranian branch already was native in Iranian plateau according to hypoteseses of Ivanov and Gamkrelidze.

If you look at the right side of the picture, you can see first scenario is red, and second is green.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QkmET6jgHYA/VSwl-knxpGI/AAAAAAAAKDs/1bo7evu6POQ/s1600/journal.pone.0122968.g001.PNG

Proto-Indo European and Indo-Iranian urheimats are still big puzzles. I think last Yamaya results is a victory for second scenario.
If Yamna was kurganized/Indo-Europeanized by ancient South Caucasian people from Leyla-Tepe, Maykop and Kura-Araxes cultures?
Yamnayan R1b-Z2103 already is found at 40% frequency in Karabakh-Syunik and Nakhchivan regions, at 35% in Ararat region, at 44% in Talysh people and at over 30% Lur people. Also oldest R1a was originated in same region according to Underhill et al. 2014.

Iranic migration occured in the Andronovo culture, basically covering Central Asia, Persian / Iranian and Median (proto-Kurdish) tribes migrated around 3000 years ago to the Middle East. Turkic migration to the Middle East started only 1000 years ago. After the Mongol devastations, the Turkic migrations kept on going and they settled in Iranian lands ... Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, Tajiks are actually still a majority in the old Iranian cities of Samarqand and Bukhara, where Merv is now in ruins :)

[Qara]

Also, there are two different hypoteses about Airyana Vaeja. (Iranic and Zoroastrian homeland)

First hypotesis about Afghanistan.
http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/images/maps/vendidadnations.jpg

Second hypotesis about Azerbaijan and Armenian highlands.
http://s22.postimg.org/xvcnd8m9t/274.jpg

I forgot that map about Ivanov-Gamkrelidze PIE hypotesis in previous post.
http://www2.uncp.edu/home/rwb/indo_european_migation.jpg

[StonyArabia]

I only care about the islands, which used to be ours via the UAE and it's inhabitants are Arabs who are the indigenous to the islands. Other than that I don't care what happens there.

[zarzian]

I only care about the islands, which used to be ours via the UAE and it's inhabitants are Arabs who are the indigenous to the islands. Other than that I don't care what happens there.

Thank you kind sir, we will see to it that you get your islands right away, we'll throw in Khuzestan while we're at it. Any other requests sir?

[N1019]

I only care about the islands, which used to be ours via the UAE and it's inhabitants are Arabs who are the indigenous to the islands. Other than that I don't care what happens there.

Apparently they were essentially handed to Iran by the British when they withdrew from the Gulf and the Emirate of Sharjah became part of the UAE. As part of the British withdrawal, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi of Iran was allowed to assume a greater role in maintaining regional, anti-Communist stability, helped by huge military purchases from the US and UK. Some of the documents relating to this "transfer" have yet to be declassified, so more information will no doubt come to light in the future, but it appears that the Gulf Arabs were not overly concerned by this event at the time, seeing it as serving their interests by preventing the capture of the islands by pirates or nationalist revolutionaries. It also appears it was associated with an end to Iranian territorial claims over Bahrain, a matter which was settled by UN resolution.

Oh well... if Iran keeps seizing cargo ships... let's see what happens.

[Pahli]

Thank you kind sir, we will see to it that you get your islands right away, we'll throw in Khuzestan while we're at it. Any other requests sir?

The islands are to no use, just deport all those Arab nationalists in Khuzestan to the islands (and let them keep them), since they want to take away Khuzestan, as if it has always been Arab :)

[Azeri Bozkurt]

Today's Iran is ruled since 1000 years by Turkish dynasties dominated and developed. If there are Azeris in Iran who want to be Persian. We give you this handful of traitors to their blood. But you should not forget us millions of Turks in Iran who make every Turk enemy's life to hell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHehhwllfjo

[Pahli]

Today's Iran is ruled since 1000 years by Turkish dynasties dominated and developed. If there are Azeris in Iran who want to be Persian. We give you this handful of traitors to their blood. But you should not forget us millions of Turks in Iran who make every Turk enemy's life to hell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHehhwllfjo

As if Turks are progressive people :rolleyes:

Remember who built up advanced civilizations at the times, Turks are just invaders and have only destroyed progress :)

Azeris contributed to the Persian empires, but have been brainwashed by Turkish faggots, to think they are Turks themselves, you're an ethnic group with identity crisis :)

[Azeri Bozkurt]

As if Turks are progressive people :rolleyes:

Remember who built up advanced civilizations at the times, Turks are just invaders and have only destroyed progress :)

Azeris contributed to the Persian empires, but have been brainwashed by Turkish faggots, to think they are Turks themselves, you're an ethnic group with identity crisis :)

There is no such thing as Persian Empire, you Kord. The last Persian empire is down since 2000 years. Identity Crisis? The identity crisis clearly have the Kurds. Identify themselves as Iranic, but wants a Kurdistan? But Kurds have generally a large cavity between brain mass and the skull plate. In Iran, you are not known for your intelligence.

[Pahli]

There is no such thing as Persian Empire, you Kord. The last Persian empire is down since 2000 years. Identity Crisis? The identity crisis clearly have the Kurds. Identify themselves as Iranic, but wants a Kurdistan? But Kurds have generally a large cavity between brain mass and the skull plate. In Iran, you are not known for your intelligence.

Yeah, as if Azeris are ... Last Persian Empire fell 1000 years ago you idiot, read up on history. Then it came up again around 500 ... So Turks and Mongolians only ruled for 500 years :)

[Azeri Bozkurt]

Yeah, as if Azeris are ... Last Persian Empire fell 1000 years ago you idiot, read up on history. Then it came up again around 500 ... So Turks and Mongolians only ruled for 500 years :)

We have Iran ruled in the last 1000 years, and today the leader of Iran is also an Azeri. (Even if he is an idiot). What role did you Kurds have ever played in the history of Iran, you losers? Milking Goats, Kord?

[poiuytrewq0987]

We have Iran ruled in the last 1000 years, and today the leader of Iran is also an Azeri. (Even if he is an idiot). What role did you Kurds have ever played in the history of Iran, you losers? Milking Goats, Kord?

Hey now, goat herding is a noble profession. After all, somebody has to do it! :whistle:

[Pahli]

We have Iran ruled in the last 1000 years, and today the leader of Iran is also an Azeri. (Even if he is an idiot). What role did you Kurds have ever played in the history of Iran, you losers? Milking Goats, Kord?

Oh yeah ... Azeris playing big roles ... Your influence is shit and your language sucks, ask your Turkish brothers to save your asses, you must be so sad to be Turks in an Iranian land :(


Hey now, goat herding is a noble profession. After all, somebody has to do it! :whistle:

Says the idiot who dreams about the resurrection of the Ottoman Empire :rolleyes:

[poiuytrewq0987]

Says the idiot who dreams about the resurrection of the Ottoman Empire :rolleyes:

Pretty sure it's already resurrected. All hail Sultan Erdogan.

http://m.memegen.com/76v5aj.jpg

[Pahli]

Pretty sure it's already resurrected. All hail Sultan Erdogan.

http://m.memegen.com/76v5aj.jpg

Now try to expand, and do us a favour and die in the attempts :)

[Qara]

Today's Iran is ruled since 1000 years by Turkish dynasties dominated and developed. If there are Azeris in Iran who want to be Persian. We give you this handful of traitors to their blood. But you should not forget us millions of Turks in Iran who make every Turk enemy's life to hell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHehhwllfjo

Firstly, Turkish means descendants of Ottomans who live in Anatolia, Balkan, Syria and Cyprus. Also, they(Ottomans) never ruled Iran. You want to say Azeri dynasties.

Secondly, Turks hate our religion (Shia), hate our history (Safavid), hate our ancestors (Shah Ismail) because of they couldn't conquer Azerbaijan and Iran in the history.
Because Azeris and Persians have resisted the Ottoman occupation. They hate our history because Azeris and Persians kicked them when they came to Tabriz.
Our ancestors weren't like Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Arabs etc. because they weren't ass kisser of Ottomans. They were proud and they resisted against them. They could conquer Constantinople, Smyrna, Greece, Serbia, Syria, Egypt, but... but couldn't conquer our country.

You don't know anything because you're a ingenuous. You don't know any Turk.
Today, they try to assimilate us, they want to assimilate our religion, for example, Gulen movement (Yazids) want to expand in Azerbaijan because of to assimilate our religion, our culture. But our president Aliyev have kicked them and he hates Turkey according to Wikileaks therefore Azerbaijan Republic still wants a visa from Turkish tourists :) They want to use Turkists like you against Iran and Shia. Be careful and read again that post: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?167436-Should-we-Turkic-people-of-Iran-be-independet&p=3554967#post3554967
Iranians are your religious, cultural and even genetically brothers.

If you want to see a typical Turk, you should look to Ice's posts.

[Pahli]

Firstly, Turkish means descendants of Ottomans who live in Anatolia, Balkan, Syria and Cyprus. Also, they(Ottomans) never ruled Iran. You want to say Azeri dynasties.

Secondly, Turks hate our religion (Shia), hate our history (Safavid), hate our ancestors (Shah Ismail) because of they couldn't conquer Azerbaijan and Iran in the history.
Because Azeris and Persians have resisted the Ottoman occupation. They hate our history because Azeris and Persians kicked them when they came to Tabriz.
Our ancestors weren't like Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Arabs etc. because they weren't ass kisser of Ottomans. They were proud and they resisted against them. They could conquer Constantinople, Smyrna, Greece, Serbia, Syria, Egypt, but... but couldn't conquer our country.

You don't know anything because you're a ingenuous. You don't know any Turk.
Today, they try to assimilate us, they want to assimilate our religion, for example, Gulen movement (Yazids) want to expand in Azerbaijan because of to assimilate our religion, our culture. But our president Aliyev have kicked them and he hates Turkey according to Wikileaks therefore Azerbaijan Republic still wants a visa from Turkish tourists :) They want to use Turkists like you against Iran and Shia. Be careful and read again that post: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?167436-Should-we-Turkic-people-of-Iran-be-independet&p=3554967#post3554967
Iranians are your religious, cultural and even genetically brothers.

If you want to see a typical Turk, you should look to Ice's posts.

Exactly my point, Azeris are NOT Turks, like so many people claim :)

[Calamity]

Yes, Azeri Turks from Iran should unite with north-Azerbaijan. It is only matter of time for this to happen. Iran is committing crimes against humanity against 40% of their minorities. This can't sustain.

[zarzian]

Yes, Azeri Turks from Iran should unite with north-Azerbaijan. It is only matter of time for this to happen. Iran is committing crimes against humanity against 40% of their minorities. This can't sustain.

Lol shut your dirty hole, don't barf out garbage like that anymore

[Calamity]

Lol shut your dirty hole, don't barf out garbage like that anymore

I read your comments here. We are going to deal with scum like you before the end. Mark my words.

[zarzian]

I read your comments here. We are going to deal with scum like you before the end. Mark my words.

Is that right? Too bad your hiding in a basement somewhere in Europe.

[Azeri Bozkurt]

Firstly, Turkish means descendants of Ottomans who live in Anatolia, Balkan, Syria and Cyprus. Also, they(Ottomans) never ruled Iran. You want to say Azeri dynasties.

Secondly, Turks hate our religion (Shia), hate our history (Safavid), hate our ancestors (Shah Ismail) because of they couldn't conquer Azerbaijan and Iran in the history.
Because Azeris and Persians have resisted the Ottoman occupation. They hate our history because Azeris and Persians kicked them when they came to Tabriz.
Our ancestors weren't like Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Arabs etc. because they weren't ass kisser of Ottomans. They were proud and they resisted against them. They could conquer Constantinople, Smyrna, Greece, Serbia, Syria, Egypt, but... but couldn't conquer our country.

You don't know anything because you're a ingenuous. You don't know any Turk.
Today, they try to assimilate us, they want to assimilate our religion, for example, Gulen movement (Yazids) want to expand in Azerbaijan because of to assimilate our religion, our culture. But our president Aliyev have kicked them and he hates Turkey according to Wikileaks therefore Azerbaijan Republic still wants a visa from Turkish tourists :) They want to use Turkists like you against Iran and Shia. Be careful and read again that post: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?167436-Should-we-Turkic-people-of-Iran-be-independet&p=3554967#post3554967
Iranians are your religious, cultural and even genetically brothers.

If you want to see a typical Turk, you should look to Ice's posts.

I'm telling you for the last time something. I know first that you're not a full-blooded Azeri. An Azeri immediately recognizes a Fars. Remember one thing: I'm not interested in any Shiites, Sunnis debates. This devious argument I know of Kurds and Persians. I do not want Arabian Mohammed or Ali, which dictates my ethnic group with whom to identify with. This argument does not interest Azeris from Iran. We hate the Mullahs more than anything elese. I'm not interested in religious foundations that govern my people. The desert religion was created for the Semites, we have chosen this religion only by chance and profit. There are over 200 million Turks on this earth. Who we are already that we sacrifice each other for a religion. In the 21st century the spiritual science does count not the religious acceptance.

[Pahli]

I read your comments here. We are going to deal with scum like you before the end. Mark my words.

Go back to the Altai Mountains and pray to Tengri along with Anatolian faggot :rolleyes: