1 Madeiran Portuguese and 1 Canarian Spanish 23andme result!

[Sikeliot]

Madeiran: (R1b for y-dna, L for mtdna)

http://i60.tinypic.com/20keoaq.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/28b5lkw.jpg



and here is a Canarian (unsure about haplogroups, this came from someone else):

http://i58.tinypic.com/2n1c6es.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

Are your next 70k posts gonna be about haplogroup L people from Madeira?

[Sikeliot]

Are your next 70k posts gonna be about haplogroup L people from Madeira?

Don't believe me? Ubirajara on ABF shares with this person. Clearly the person in denial here is you.

[Damião de Góis]

Don't believe me? Ubirajara on ABF shares with this person. Clearly the person in denial here is you.

What about it? Do you think african admixed people from Portugal is supposed to shock me? However, trying to turn them into portuguese is trollish behaviour from you... but then again 70k posts have already shown that.

[Sikeliot]

What about it? Do you think african admixed people from Portugal is supposed to shock me? However, trying to turn them into portuguese is trollish behaviour from you... but then again 70k posts have already shown that.

I posted this to demonstrate that the other woman I posted is not an outlier or "non-Portuguese" but that this is how Madeirans can score. Minor African admixture really makes them non-Portuguese to you? You'd never know it existed if DNA tests did not confirm it. These people all look white.

[Damião de Góis]

I posted this to demonstrate that the other woman I posted is not an outlier or "non-Portuguese" but that this is how Madeirans can score. Minor African admixture really makes them non-Portuguese to you? You'd never know it existed if DNA tests did not confirm it. These people all look white.

People with haplogroup L who cluster in the middle east are now the norm among Madeirans? Knowing what people from Madeira look like, i don't think so. I'm not gonna stalk madeirans on 23andme and post their results here though. I just have to look at them...

[Sikeliot]

People with haplogroup L who cluster in the middle east are now the norm among Madeirans? Knowing what people from Madeira look like, i don't think so. I'm not gonna stalk madeirans on 23andme and post their results here though. I just have to look at them...

What you do not understand is people scoring like this look like any other Portuguese person, because African ancestry of that amount doesn't show phenotypically. So the people you see and think do not plot like this, probably do. If you believed me when I told you this, I wouldn't have had to post the results, and I only posted two. I don't plan to keep posting them, though if I receive any I will tell you, because you've been in denial for too long. You are the one seeing shame in this, not me. It is part of our history... I am part Madeiran you know.

[Damião de Góis]

What you do not understand is people scoring like this look like any other Portuguese person, because African ancestry of that amount doesn't show phenotypically. So the people you see and think do not plot like this, probably do. If you believed me when I told you this, I wouldn't have had to post the results, and I only posted two. I don't plan to keep posting them, though if I receive any I will tell you, because you've been in denial for too long. You are the one seeing shame in this, not me. It is part of our history... I am part Madeiran you know.

I never denied that there were admixed people in Madeira. In fact, the most famous madeiran in the world has a cape verdean grand parent. I don't believe that's the norm there though.

[Sikeliot]

I never denied that there were admixed people in Madeira. In fact, the most famous madeiran in the world has a cape verdean grand parent. I don't believe that's the norm there though.

This is where we differ. You think people with these results are recently admixed and look it. I think that the average Madeiran has small admixture, but it does not show phenotypically and so anyone who has not seen the results might think it doesn't exist.

[BirdMan]

Very interesting! Thank you for sharing this, I have been looking for results from Canarians but I have had difficulty finding them. Do you have any more? I'm trying to do a comprehensive geneology of my family and I know my mother has Canarian ancestry.

On 23andMe she shows 6.7% Native and 1.2% Subsaharan. The native obviously comes from the island, but I've had lots of trouble locating the source of the African ancestry. I assumed it was from a slave during the colonial period, but I am beginning to wonder if it could in fact be from the Canary Islands because that would make more sense in terms of my family history.

Also, do you have any gedmatch numbers for Canarians/Madeirans?

[Gaston]

Very interesting! Thank you for sharing this, I have been looking for results from Canarians but I have had difficulty finding them. Do you have any more? I'm trying to do a comprehensive geneology of my family and I know my mother has Canarian ancestry.

On 23andMe she shows 6.7% Native and 1.2% Subsaharan. The native obviously comes from the island, but I've had lots of trouble locating the source of the African ancestry. I assumed it was from a slave during the colonial period, but I am beginning to wonder if it could in fact be from the Canary Islands because that would make more sense in terms of my family history.

Also, do you have any gedmatch numbers for Canarians/Madeirans?

From which islands?

[Sikeliot]

Also, do you have any gedmatch numbers for Canarians/Madeirans?

I could try to get one.

If your mom's SSA comes from the Canary Islands it likely was brought by African slaves also, they were used there and on Madeira before in the Caribbean.

[Alessio]

Within 2 weeks I've seen 3 Spaniards that look very Med - 2 from Huelva and one from Malaga; the latter could easily pass in Southern Italy/Sicily.

It's unbelievable that they plot near central Euro's honestly when looking at their phenotype.

[Sikeliot]

Within 2 weeks I've seen 3 Spaniards that look very Med - 2 from Huelva and one from Malaga; the latter could easily pass in Southern Italy/Sicily.

It's unbelievable that they plot near central Euro's honestly when looking at their phenotype.

Could they have passed outside of Europe in the MENA region?

[Gaita]

Both are quite similar

[Sikeliot]

Both are quite similar

The difference historically is Madeira had no native population. However, Guanche slaves were brought to Madeira from Canarias, and then slaves from Senegambia (and in Madeira's case, eventually from Angola and Mozambique) were brought in. However, the vast majority of the ancestry is of course from Iberia.

[BirdMan]

From which islands?

I am from Puerto Rico and we received a lot of Canarian immigrants. According to 23andMe, I'm about 94.4% European, 4.3% Native, and .8% African. Most of my African and Native comes from my mom. The native must come from Puerto Rico, but I have been doing a lot of geneological research and so far I have been unable to find any African ancestors for her. In 1700 almost all of her ancestors were living in Europe (Spain and France) and the few that were in Puerto Rico were "whites" working in the colonial beaurocracy, meaning they had little opportunity for mixing with African slaves. However many of her ancestors did come from the Canaries, so it would make a lot of sense if her African came from there rather than here.

[BirdMan]

I could try to get one.

If your mom's SSA comes from the Canary Islands it likely was brought by African slaves also, they were used there and on Madeira before in the Caribbean.

I would appreciate that very much, thank you!

[Empecinado]

What island the Canarian is from?

[Alessio]

Could they have passed outside of Europe in the MENA region?

no, i'd say the Iberian in them is too unique to fall outside of the Southern European spectrum of phenotypes.

[Sikeliot]

What island the Canarian is from?

La Gomera and Tenerife.

[Empecinado]

La Gomera and Tenerife.

Tenerife had sugar plantations with black slaves, so it's logical. La Gomera I think didn't, and is the island with highest Guanche ancestry.

[Sikeliot]

Tenerife had sugar plantations with black slaves, so it's logical. La Gomera I think didn't, and is the island with highest Guanche ancestry.

So Tenerife and Madeira should score similarly in many ways then.

[Nico Nobrix]

I posted this to demonstrate that the other woman I posted is not an outlier or "non-Portuguese" but that this is how Madeirans can score. Minor African admixture really makes them non-Portuguese to you? You'd never know it existed if DNA tests did not confirm it. These people all look white.

Madeiran Portuguese here. You would be suprised, i look like a North African but am 98.7% European on 23 and me. 1.3% sub saharan. 6% French and German, 1.3% Brittish and Irish and 1.7% North west European, 71% Iberian 5.8% Italian, 10% broadly southern European. You can get a portuguese person with those same percentages and have them look like a Western European. It just depends!

[Sikeliot]

Madeiran Portuguese here. You would be suprised, i look like a North African but am 98.7% European on 23 and me. 1.3% sub saharan. 6% French and German, 1.3% Brittish and Irish and 1.7% North west European, 71% Iberian 5.8% Italian, 10% broadly southern European. You can get a portuguese person with those same percentages and have them look like a Western European. It just depends!


I am curious to see what you look like. What I was saying with the Sub-Saharan is, that 1.3% is due to an ancestor you have that was brought over during slavery. Some people on here do not accept this though.

[Chaos One]

You guys debating about SSA and I look to North African numbers...so, the "Canarians are 10% NA" isn't a rule, but more like "They can get up to 10%".

Well, that dismiss my possible "I'm Canarian rooted" then Berber rooted. Thx Sikeliot.

[Lotus013]

Madeiran: (R1b for y-dna, L for mtdna)

http://i60.tinypic.com/20keoaq.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/28b5lkw.jpg



and here is a Canarian (unsure about haplogroups, this came from someone else):

http://i58.tinypic.com/2n1c6es.jpg

Off topic, but why can't I post in Personal Taxonomy? Am I banned or something? :picard2:

[Chaos One]

Off topic, but why can't I post in Personal Taxonomy? Am I banned or something? :picard2:

I think yo should have at least 15 posts, isn't it?