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Beorn
01-21-2009, 03:20 PM
The Naivety of Mongolia's Nazis.


FOLLOWING the July 1 riots a spate of repetitious graffiti began appearing on the walls of Ulaanbaatar’s buildings. Graffiti, either as an art form or used as political slander, is relatively uncommon in Mongolia’s capital city, yet this recent trend was spray-painted across buildings, on bus stations, on the walls of monasteries, over the windows of Chinese restaurants, even on national monuments.
The graffiti is the work of one of Mongolia’s right-wing organisations, the M.Y.A. (Mongolian National Group). It depicts a swastika accompanied by the party’s acronym, the word ‘Aries’, and at certain sites, the addition of sentences that vary slightly but largely translate to ‘all Chinese must die.’
This abject racism and open hostility is indicative of the nationalism currently bubbling to the surface within the country. To date, there are three ultra-nationalistic groups registered as NGOs. The most notable of these is Dayar Mongol (All or Whole Mongolia), a group that rose to prominence with the role it played in the July 1 riots; the group marched in front of a central police barracks threatening anyone from entering while attempts were made by rioters to damage and destroy the complex. Their agenda, they claim, was “to help and save people. Many people could have made a big mistake.”

Just as aggressively as the group barred the entrance to the police headquarters, waiting to expel angry and drunken rioters, so too their open hatred of immigrants, in particular the Chinese. “We hate the Chinese, Koreans and Vietnamese,” the current head of Dayar Mongol calmly states in an interview, “because they do a lot of illegal things such as human trafficking, selling drugs and prostitution […] We are against Chinese influence as it’s dangerous for Mongolia’s national security.” The Asian Gypsy website writes that Dayar Mongol “also sends a warning to Mongolians working with foreigners against national interest, promising the ‘traitors will be dealt with harshly.’” Rhetoric from the M.Y.A. echoes Dayar Mongol: “The Chinese are our main enemies as they contaminate Mongolian blood by getting married to Mongolian women, and intend to assimilate Mongolians to Chinese.”

To be ‘dealt with harshly’ by one of these groups means anything from being beaten, having your shop windows repetitively smashed, being publicly spat on, to the extremity of being killed. The leader of Blue Mongol (the third of these right-wing groups), B. Enkhbat, was on trial in June of 2008 for “the suspected murder/manslaughter of his daughter’s boyfriend […] whose patriotism was questioned.” He was later found guilty. The former head of Dayar Mongol was executed for a similar crime, a crime the current leader describes as “a passing away. He fought for security and the goodness of the Mongol nation and its people.” Ola Wong from the Far Eastern Economic Review in April of 2008 highlighted another of the trio’s racial intimidations. “[They] shave the heads of women caught sleeping with Chinese men.” G. Damdinsuren, a Dayar Mongol board member, justified the tactics. “It is for their own good […] A small nation can only survive by keeping its blood pure.’’

Racial hatred –and the perceived “need to keep a nation’s blood pure”- is the obvious backbone to all right-wing groups globally, and though they normally represent an extremity within society, in Mongolia, these right-wing organisations reflect the sentiment of a large percentage of the population. Ask Mongolians what they think of their southern neighbours and at best the response is one of reluctant acceptance. “To say that Mongolian’s feelings towards China borders on racism and hatred would not be an understatement,” writes a Mongolian on the Internet. In an article for the Sydney Morning Herald, John Garnaut discussed similar feelings of resentment. “Amarbayasgalan runs a small trading company that imports all manner of goods from China. He personally knows ‘some good Chinese, some bad,’ but this nuance is not widely shared among his friends.” The closely related rise of right-wing groups, he continues, “is fueling an already toxic concoction of racism, historical grievance, Chinese insensitivity and, above all, a pervading fear of economic annihilation.”

This nationalistic and anti-Chinese mindset is the reason why pro-Mongolian groups such as Dayar Mongol, Blue Mongolia and the M.Y.A. are beginning to swell in popularity. Membership is on a sharp rise, two of the groups profess, and so are public monetary donations. “We are many,” the head of Dayar Mongol proudly boasts. There is even international support, says Murgun-Erdene, head of the M.Y.A., supplied by other neo-Nazi organisations in Russia and Germany. While financial help for Dayar Mongol has yet to come from international neo-Nazis, the relationship they have formed with their cross-border counterparts is one of “an understanding in philosophy.” The M.Y.A, however, reveals that organizations both national and international “invest in us.”
Finding funding within the nation is not a farfetched concept, yet receiving funding and support from international bodies outside of Asia seems somewhat ironic. So too does the blatant use of logos and rhetoric from Hitler and the Third Reich’s regime: either a great irony or a huge lack of education on these Mongolian neo-Nazis’ part. The head of M.Y.A. refutes the idea. “We are nationalists,” he says “because we distribute views of nationalism. In other words, we can be called Nazis. Generally, people believe that Nazis are fierce, but this is wrong. In my opinion, every country and every nation has some nationalists.”
If this nationalism were purely Mongolian in form, it would make Murgun-Erdene’s statement a little easier to understand. As it is, the head of the M.Y.A. arrives at an interview wearing an Iron Cross, a hat with the SS Death’s Head pinned to its front and military fatigues; he has not donned anything that resembles traditional Mongolian attire, nor do the two ‘minders’ who accompany him.

It becomes clear during the interview that these right-wing groups have neither remorse, nor more importantly, any real idea why they use (even quasi-worship) Third Reich iconography and ideals. While the swastika, as numerous historians and authors note, has its origins in a Buddhist tradition and was bastardised by Germany’s National Socialists in the early twentieth century, the SS icons and the use of various pieces of Nazi uniform are not so easily excused.

One justification or explanation, states Murgun-Erdene when asked about the correlation between Mongolia and Hitler’s despotic Germany, is that he believes Hitler was, in many ways, a student of Chinggis Khaan. “Historically, when Hitler was reading the history of Chinggis Khaan in prison, he enjoyed the book and chose this sign as his symbol.” He also adds that the way Hitler conquered the world with his blitzkrieg was reminiscent of Chinggis Khaan’s art-of-war. Jack Weatherford, author of the best-selling history Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World, does not agree. “The Secret History of the Mongols was not available in Germany until the 1940s, nearly two decades after Hitler’s imprisonment,” Weatherford said. On the similarity of ethos between the two rulers, he again disputes any similarity. “Chinggis Khaan believed in the unity of all people under heaven and in respect for all religions. In this regard I see no similarity between him and Hitler.”

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum makes interesting note of just where Mongolians stood in the eyes of the Third Reich. “The Germans carried out systematic mass killings of persons […] and systematically selected from among Soviet prisoners of war persons perceived to have ‘Asian’ or ‘Mongolian’ characteristics in order to shoot them.” In another great irony, Weatherford noted, “the Germans […] considered the Mongols as the opposite to the Germans. They taught that the existence of retarded children among the Germans was a result of the rape of pure German women by Mongols during the invasion of the thirteenth century.”

Statements such as these highlight a lack of insight into both Germany’s history and the expansion of the Mongol Empire by Mongolian right-wing groups. Propaganda such as: “We tell the young not to have close relationships with foreigners and to contaminate our Mongolian blood. We are also anti-companies and organizations which mediate between foreigners and Mongolians, and do not allow them to marry. Agitating the public is an essential way to gain people’s awareness of our activities,” does not reflect the unity and respect Chinggis Khaan is said to have extolled. “Seemingly, without a sense of what the Nazis actually did, this phenomenon is more about ‘tough guys’ viewing Hitler as a great conqueror, similar to Chinggis Khaan” a Mongolian citizen comments on their blog.

The skewed view of history voiced by groups such as the M.Y.A. is another of the naiveties that engulfs the nation. While under Soviet rule, Mongolians were taught that the Nazis were “bad” but were not schooled on the Holocaust. More recently, education in many schools has passed over the Second World War altogether. “In my opinion,” writes a man called Tuvshin after a survey he conducted suggested 90 percent of Mongolians believe in the politics of the Nazis, “this reflects the opinion of Mongolians who believe in a history transcribed by poor literature and ineffective secondary schooling. So it’s inevitable that we have racist attackers who call themselves neo-Nazis, yet who believe they support human rights and the nation.”

A lack of education and the amount of ‘poor historical literature’ also provides explanations for a Nazi themed pub which contains Nazi flags, Third Reich political posters, display cases of mannequins dressed in Nazi uniforms and photos of Goebbels, Himmler and the likes. It accounts for groups of motorcyclists partly dressed in SS uniform, taxis adorned in the red and black flag of the facists, and the abundance of photos of Hitler hanging beside portraits of other famous world leaders found in the nation’s capital. Unfortunately, the irony of believing the rhetoric of the Third Reich is not lost on those Mongolians caught in Russia’s current wave of nationalism. As reported in the RIA Novosti in 2006, “Two Mongolian students were beaten on Saturday in the St. Petersburg subway. Routine attacks by skinheads and youth gangs on foreigners with non-Slavic features have also been reported in other Russian cities.” More recently, Mongolians were victims of Neo-Nazi attacks in Prague and in southern Germany.

Back in Ulaanbaatar, news such as this does little to deter the enthusiasm of the M.Y.A. They even take on similarities in their aggressive methods to stamp out foreign interest and influence. “All members study the art of fighting including battle sambo and karate and we are in training […] Someone who protests our activity can’t overcome us.”

In a 2002 address to the United Nations by the Mongolian government’s former representative, P. Gansukh, a correlation between social issues and the rise in right-wing nationalism within his country was noted. “My delegation wishes to single out the fact that racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance are closely linked with the socio-economic factors. Inequitable economic and social conditions can breed and foster racism and racial discrimination, while reduction of poverty and unemployment, overcoming economic backwardness would affect the human rights protection positively.” In another ironic twist, according to Murgun-Erdene, it was on the government’s advice that he registered M.Y.A. as an NGO. The Ministry of Justice suggested a number of smaller parties “with the same goal in mind” unite to strengthen the organisation politically and economically.

Complicity with government offices and organisations is also evident in an article found on the Montsame news site. It reports that members of Dayar Mongol “joined with the Police Department of Sukhbaatar district” to check that Chinese and Korean shops and companies had removed any signs written in their native tongue and had them replaced with Cyrillic script. The ‘raid’ was initially instigated by Dayar Mongol after sending these companies a three-day written warning.

Working in close proximity with the government does not mean, for Murgun-Erdene, that the M.Y.A. allies itself to any political party, nor politics at large. “We don’t fiddle with politics. We want to purge and improve current society. Our main goals are to remain Mongolian and to keep Mongolian blood fresh and to establish good order.” While he believes both the ruling MPRP and their opposition, the DP, are “wrong in their ideals,” he does not outline why. Dayar Mongol are not so timid. They believe, the UB Post reported in 2007, that “high ranking officials are corrupt and are giving the land to foreigners.” To tackle the issue not only did they stage a number of protests in Sukhbaatar Square, but members of both Blue Mongolia and Dayar Mongol ran for parliament in the 2008 elections, both failing in their attempt. That was not due to a lack of public support, noted the Asian Gypsy blog, but a lack of campaign experience, a lack of publicity, and a lack of substantial finance.

“Oddly, most Mongolian neo-Nazis don’t want to promote the death of human beings, which they also think leads to them being able to implement Nazism correctly, which the Germans could not do. In my opinion, though they call themselves Nazis, they don’t understand the concept of being a Nazi,” writes a Mongolian citizen. Yet racial hatred -and a nation’s complicity- is not so far from implementing ‘Nazi concepts.’ Add to that an ignorance that comes with a lack of education, a yearning to better -in some degree- what other great leaders had previously tried, an increase in the divide between rich and poor, and an insidious pattern takes on a dimension reminiscent of 1920s Germany.

Whether nationalism spreads to the extent it did 80 years ago remains to be seen. Yet even if racial hatred grows to a small percentage of what occurred in Germany under the rule of Hitler, that in–of-itself is a frightening concept. Unfortunately, if the spate of graffiti, the rise in racial attacks, or the general public’s opinion of their southern neighbour is a measure of racial intolerance, the ‘small percentage’ mark has already been surpassed. Slow as the bubbling may seem, if government organisations, the public, international companies and the naivety of those who broadcast the rhetoric, begin to believe their own propaganda, what began as a slow simmer may eventually begin to boil.

Source (http://ubpost.mongolnews.mn/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2446&Itemid=42)

Cato
08-12-2009, 05:09 PM
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1910893,00.html?iid=digg_share :eek:

Loki
08-12-2009, 06:17 PM
Heinrich Himmler is their patron saint, no doubt? ;)

Ariets
08-12-2009, 06:48 PM
now thats cool

Eldritch
08-03-2010, 07:46 PM
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Anti-Chinese sentiment fuels rise of ultra-nationalism

Their right hands rise to black-clad chests and flash out in salute to their nation: "Sieg heil!" They praise Hitler's devotion to ethnic purity.

But with their high cheekbones, dark eyes and brown skin, they are hardly the Third Reich's Aryan ideal. A new strain of Nazism has found an unlikely home: Mongolia.

Once again, ultra-nationalists have emerged from an impoverished economy and turned upon outsiders. This time the main targets come from China, the rising power to the south.

Groups such as Tsagaan Khass, or White Swastika, portray themselves as patriots standing up for ordinary citizens in the face of foreign crime, rampant inequality, political indifference and corruption.

But critics say they scapegoat and attack the innocent. The US state department has warned travellers of increased assaults on inter-racial couples in recent years – including organised violence by ultra-nationalist groups.

Dayar Mongol threatened to shave the heads of women who sleep with Chinese men. Three years ago, the leader of Blue Mongol was convicted of murdering his daughter's boyfriend, reportedly because the young man had studied in China.

Though Tsagaan Khass leaders say they do not support violence, they are self-proclaimed Nazis. "Adolf Hitler was someone we respect. He taught us how to preserve national identity," said the 41-year-old co-founder, who calls himself Big Brother.

"We don't agree with his extremism and starting the second world war. We are against all those killings, but we support his ideology. We support nationalism rather than fascism."

It is, by any standards, an extraordinary choice. Under Hitler, Soviet prisoners of war who appeared Mongolian were singled out for execution. More recently, far-right groups in Europe have attacked Mongolian migrants.

Not all ultra-nationalists use this iconography; and widespread ignorance about the Holocaust and other atrocities may help to explain why some do.

Tsagaan Khass points out that the swastika is an ancient Asian symbol – which is true, but does not explain the group's use of Nazi colours, the Nazi eagle and the Nazi salute; or the large picture of the Führer on Big Brother's cigarette case.

Nor does it seem greatly relevant, given their unabashed admiration for Hitler's racial beliefs.

"We have to make sure that as a nation our blood is pure. That's about our independence," said 23-year-old Battur, pointing out that the population is under three million.

"If we start mixing with Chinese, they will slowly swallow us up. Mongolian society is not very rich. Foreigners come with a lot of money and might start taking our women."

Big Brother acknowledges he discovered such ideas through the nationalist groups that emerged in Russia after the Soviet Union's fall; Mongolia had been a satellite state. But the anti-Chinese tinge is distinct and increasingly popular.

"While most people feel far-right discourse is too extreme, there seems to be a consensus that China is imperialistic, 'evil' and intent on taking Mongolia," said Franck Billé of Cambridge University, who is researching representations of Chinese people in Mongolia.

Hip hop tracks such as Don't Go Too Far, You Chinks by 4 Züg – chorus: "shoot them all, all, all" – have been widely played in bars and clubs. Urban myths abound; some believe Beijing has a secret policy of encouraging men to have sex with Mongolian women.

Yet Tsagaan Khass claims it welcomes law-abiding visitors of all races, and Big Brother can certainly be hospitable.

Enthusiastically shaking hands, he says: "Even though you are a British citizen, you are still Asian, and that makes you very cool."

He says the younger members have taught him to be less extreme and the group appears to be reshaping itself – expelling "criminal elements" and insisting on a good education as a prerequisite for membership. One of the leaders is an interior designer.

But critics fear ultra-nationalists are simply becoming more sophisticated and, quietly, more powerful. Tsagaan Khass say it "works closely" with other organisations and is now discussing a merger.

"Some people are in complete denial … [but] we can no longer deny this is a problem," said Anaraa Nyamdorj, of Mongolia's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Centre.

The US state department has noted increased reports of xenophobic attacks since the spring. The UN country review cites a recent vicious assault on three young transgender women. When one of the victims publicly blamed an ultra-nationalist group – not Tsagaan Khass – death threats quickly followed.

"They are getting more support from the public," added Enkhjargal Davaasuren, director of the National Centre Against Violence, who fears that ultra-nationalists are growing more confident and victims too scared to come forward. She pointed to a YouTube video posted last year, showing a man roughly shaving a woman's long hair. The victim's face is buried in her hands, but her hunched body reeks of fear.

Others in Ulan Bator suggest the movement is waning and suspect the groups' menacing stance and claims of 3,000 members are bluster. Billé thinks there is "a lot of posturing".

"We have heard of instances [of violence]. They are not necessarily all right or all wrong," said Javkhlan, a Tsagaan Khass leader. But the group is simply a "law enforcement" body, he maintained: "We do checks; we go to hotels and restaurants to make sure Mongolian girls don't do prostitution and foreigners don't break the laws.

"We don't go through and beat the shit out of everyone. We check our information and make sure it's true."

They rely on police and media pressure to reform such businesses, he added. And if that failed? "We try to avoid using power," he said. "That would be our very last resort."

Link. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/02/mongolia-far-right?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Osweo
08-04-2010, 01:17 AM
The Mongols have a great deal to be worried about with China. Inner Mongolia is getting seriously flooded with Han nowadays. It's blue on this map, and the scale of the territory that is traditionally Mongol but now outside the Mongol state is rather staggering. (There's more in Russia too) The blue area seems pretty solid, but might not be too far in reality from the position of the Manchu, whose language is now so endangered due to rampant immigration and conscious policy of Sinicisation, that they barely even figure on the map, though they should be everything between Mongolia and Korea;
http://a.imageshack.us/img831/4551/chnkitai.jpg (http://img831.imageshack.us/i/chnkitai.jpg/)

Cato
08-04-2010, 02:29 AM
Someone tell the wannabes that Germany, prior to forming the alliance with Japan, had some pretty solid treaties with China. Hitler merely determined that Japan would be a better ally against the Soviet Union than China, which had yet to modernize its military-industrial complex to the extent that Japan had.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_(1911%E2%80%931941)

And especially:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_(1911%E2%80%931941)#Sino-German_cooperation_in_the_1930s

The Mongolians were always the bumpkins on the fringes of China and, if not for the appearance of a single man named Temujin, would likely have remained bumpkins.

China meet Germany, Germany meet China.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Sino-german_cooperation.png

Wölfin
08-04-2010, 03:13 AM
Well it is as ironic as Russian neo-nazis and Latin American mestizo neo-nazis.
I suppose in of itself the desire to apply Hitler's ideal in their home country is not so crazy, but using the demonym of nazi or neo-nazi is in my opinion erroneous.
They look like a bright bunch, I'm sure they can come up with their own names and symbols, come on!

Nodens
08-04-2010, 03:44 AM
They look like a bright bunch, I'm sure they can come up with their own names and symbols, come on!

Technically, the swastika is their own symbol, the problem is that that most of Eurasia can claim the same.

Wölfin
08-04-2010, 04:09 AM
Technically, the swastika is their own symbol, the problem is that that most of Eurasia can claim the same.

I wasn't thinking of the Swastika but rather the Iron Cross :)

Guapo
08-04-2010, 04:43 AM
Technically, the swastika is their own symbol, the problem is that that most of Eurasia can claim the same.

http://www.swastika-info.com/images/asien/china/bronzekreuze/01.jpg

Swastika or the Khas has always been a Mongol symbol since the Bronze age.

Eldritch
08-04-2010, 05:53 PM
They look like a bright bunch, I'm sure they can come up with their own names and symbols, come on!

Considering this report is from The Guardian, that may just be the idea; that is, to single out the most retarded group of Mongolian ethnonationalists in order to make the whole bunch seem, well, dumb.

Tomasz
08-05-2010, 11:08 PM
I've seen a report about them on TV. :)

Personally, I don't give a damn about Mongols. I don't care, what they do. But I am not suprised that some of them have ethno-centric attitude, because it happens in all nations. But why the hell they have chosen a path of "hollywood nazis"? I don't think people will treat them seriously because of being so much concentrated on "nazi" symbols, especially when they aren't even White.

Fintorah
08-06-2010, 12:04 AM
Quite the heartwarming story. This may or may not be connected to the rising international interest in Mein Kampf. Whatever it is, it's not a bad thing. The Hollywood Nazi theme won't be very beneficial to their cause, but at least it'll get them noticed.

Tomasz
08-06-2010, 12:35 AM
Quite the heartwarming story. This may or may not be connected to the rising international interest in Mein Kampf. Whatever it is, it's not a bad thing. The Hollywood Nazi theme won't be very beneficial to their cause, but at least it'll get them noticed.

But damn - couldn't Mongols find anything... better suting their culture? It's just like some negroes would create organisation fighting for their racial purity and they would dress like KKK members. ;)

Osweo
08-06-2010, 12:55 AM
Don't get too excited, people. I dare say there are more Elvis impersonators in Mongolia than kids who walk around in weird neoNazi teeshirts!

RoyBatty
10-23-2010, 01:09 AM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2010/8/2/1280761040788/Mongolian-neo-Nazi-group--006.jpg

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http://pietari-spb.livejournal.com/15098.html#cutid1

Ibericus
10-23-2010, 01:16 AM
What's next, spanish nazis ?

I've seen this guys on TV, they say they want to keep Mongolia pure mongolian and free of Chinese people

Lábaru
10-23-2010, 01:26 AM
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Megrez
10-23-2010, 01:53 AM
We already have this thread, somebody has to find it.

lei.talk
10-24-2010, 05:10 PM
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http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1675


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Eldritch
10-24-2010, 05:46 PM
I found no less than four threads on the same topic.

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:genghis khan facepalm: