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Jehan
04-11-2015, 08:54 AM
It's a wide region but we never heard anything about. Probably because it's a poor region with a small population density.

Usually the countries include in central asia are the following:
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan

"The UNESCO general history of Central Asia, written just before the collapse of the USSR, defines the region based on climate and uses far larger borders. According to it, Central Asia includes Mongolia, Tibet, northeast Iran (Golestan, North Khorasan and Razavi provinces), central-east Russia south of the Taiga, Afghanistan, Pakistan, northern part of India, and the former Central Asian Soviet republics (the five "Stans" of the former Soviet Union)."

Some of the population are persian, turkish and asiatic. Does they have some european admixure (except from the european minority)?

Jehan
04-13-2015, 07:02 PM
It really seems that nobody give a shit about that region.

Pahli
04-13-2015, 07:04 PM
It really seems that nobody give a shit about that region.

Basically yeah, a part from some ancient Iranian ruins and shit, no one gives a shit.

archangel
04-13-2015, 07:14 PM
It's a wide region but we never heard anything about. Probably because it's a poor region with a small population density.

Usually the countries include in central asia are the following:
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan

"The UNESCO general history of Central Asia, written just before the collapse of the USSR, defines the region based on climate and uses far larger borders. According to it, Central Asia includes Mongolia, Tibet, northeast Iran (Golestan, North Khorasan and Razavi provinces), central-east Russia south of the Taiga, Afghanistan, Pakistan, northern part of India, and the former Central Asian Soviet republics (the five "Stans" of the former Soviet Union)."

Some of the population are persian, turkish and asiatic. Does they have some european admixure (except from the european minority)?

they are Turks you french wog,why do you even care?

Vorg
04-13-2015, 07:16 PM
Russians seized the Central Asia and dragged her out of the Middle Ages : slavery was abolished, were built homes, hospitals, schools, shops, factories, etc. In 1980-s, up 25% of population of Central Asia were Russians. But with the collapse of the Soviet Union, animals staged a genocide - they expelled, killed and humiliated the Russians. Especially in Tajikistan. But since they were not able to run the state, there occurred economic crisis and wars. Therefore, most of the male population went to Russia to work. Today in Russia to 15-20 million immigrants from Central Asia. They almost do not know the Russian language, as well as engaged in criminal (drug trafficking, rape, pedophilia, Islamism, etc.).

Proto-Shaman
04-13-2015, 07:24 PM
It really seems that nobody give a shit about that region.

Basically yeah, a part from some ancient Iranian ruins and shit, no one gives a shit.
Apart from your desillusions, China, Russia and the neo-Imperium-Romanum á la Washington have an eye on Central Asian mineral resources.

Jehan
04-13-2015, 07:33 PM
they are Turks you french wog,why do you even care?

Priceless to be call wog by a turk :) or you mystake and want to call me frog.

Just curious. We heard nothing about those countries.
Some of them have strong islamists group. And some natural ressource. I think turkmenistan have oil. This region is in Russia area of influence. Perhaps USA or other will bring some actions in the region

Tonuquq
04-13-2015, 07:37 PM
Russians seized the Central Asia and dragged her out of the Middle Ages : slavery was abolished, were built homes, hospitals, schools, shops, factories, etc. In 1980-s, up 25% of population of Central Asia were Russians. But with the collapse of the Soviet Union, animals staged a genocide - they expelled, killed and humiliated the Russians. Especially in Tajikistan. But since they were not able to run the state, there occurred economic crisis and wars. Therefore, most of the male population went to Russia to work. Today in Russia to 15-20 million immigrants from Central Asia. They almost do not know the Russian language, as well as engaged in criminal (drug trafficking, rape, pedophilia, Islamism, etc.).

The Russian policies were always seperatist. Soviets did not like the unity and communication among Turkic world. That is why alphabets and cultures were replaced. Opera houses were built but Russian plays were staged in them. National dresses and folklore was also important. Seperate outfits were created for each Turkic country. Every method was practiced to differentiate them. Stalin's borders are still valid today but still couldn't manage to make Turks to give up on the idea of unity.

Tonuquq
04-13-2015, 07:44 PM
Apart from your desillusions, China, Russia and the neo-Imperium-Romanum á la Washington have an eye on Central Asian mineral resources.

He thinks people are dying to discover the Kurdish 'history' probably.

> I have been following the US and EU backed incidents in Turkey closely. The Kurdish movement you have there under the PKK, is the guardian of the oil of Yankees from America.
Fidel Castro, 1994

Imamudin
04-13-2015, 07:47 PM
they are Turks you french wog,why do you even care?

Turks have nothing to do with them, at least racially and genetically.

Vorg
04-13-2015, 07:54 PM
Financing of the National Republics in USSR:

"The Party's task is to help to the laboring masses of the non-Russian peoples to overtake developed Central Russia."

http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0/35/476/35476728_1227083496_000x5rs0.jpg

Sockorer
04-13-2015, 07:54 PM
Central Asia is the rightful property of White people. :thumb001:

Pahli
04-13-2015, 07:58 PM
Central Asia is the rightful property of White people. :thumb001:

It was, now its full of half Asians and half Caucasians

Vorg
04-13-2015, 07:58 PM
Central Asia is already in Moscow :rolleyes:

http://www.varlamov.me/2014/uraza_bairam/25.jpg
http://www.varlamov.me/2014/uraza_bairam/26.jpg
http://www.varlamov.me/2014/uraza_bairam/00s.jpg

zhaoyun
04-13-2015, 08:02 PM
Actually, Central Asia is nowhere as backward, isolated or unimportant as you think. You are only reflecting from an ethnocentric perspective.

Central Asia is rich in resources and is an area where many major powers compete for influence including Russia, China, the US, Iran, Turkey, etc.

In addition, this region may see a boost in future investment. China is strongly pushing the "New Silk Road", which would include building immense infrastructure through the region, perhaps even high speed rail all the way to Europe, and making it again a central part of the global trade network.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/chinas-new-silk-road-vision-revealed/

http://thediplomat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/thediplomat_2014-05-08_17-47-26-386x230.png

Vorg
04-13-2015, 08:05 PM
China already has cut himself a piece of Tajikistan.

Tonuquq
04-13-2015, 08:06 PM
Turks have nothing to do with them, at least racially and genetically.

> In 2004, a group of scientists from Hacettepe University, conducted mt-DNA analysis and comparison of 75 Turkish individuals with no family bonds, chosen from Turkey's 5 regions, North, South, East and Central Anatolia with a homogenous distribution. In the results, %10 M Haplogroup, which is often seen in Turkistan region, %33.3 H haplogroup which is often seen in Azerbaijan and Turks of Turkistan, %36 U Haplogroup which is also often seen in Azerbaijan and Altai Turks, were found. Based on this data, it has been confirmed that the Anatolian Turks are placed between Turks of Azerbaijan and Turks of Central Asia. The genetic comparison conducted in this research revealed that the genetic affinity of Anatolian Turks to Uyghurs, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz population is 0.0011.

Mergen H., Öner R. and Öner C. 2004 Mitochondrial DNA sequence variation in the Anatolian Peninsula (Turkey). Journal of Genetics. 83, 39-47
Mohammad Asgharzadeh et al. April 2011 Molecular diversity of mitochondrial DNA in Iranian Azeri ethnicities vis-à-vis other Azeris in Asia. Iranian Journal of Biotechnology.
J. D. McDonald, 2005, World Haplogroups Maps
Mehmet Fuat Bozkurt, Altay Dil Ailesi ve Japoncanın Türkçe ile Akrabalığı Sorunu, Aralık 1977, Türk Dili Dil ve Edebiyat Dergisi
Ivane Nasidze and Mark Stoneking. Mitochondrial DNA variation and language replacements in the Caucasus. Proceedings of the Royal Society of London

Vorg
04-13-2015, 08:14 PM
Faces of the Central Asians

1,2 - Turkmens, 3 - Uzbeks, 4 - Karakalpaks

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/meon8/average_sraziya1.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/meon8/average_sraziya2.jpg

Imamudin
04-13-2015, 08:26 PM
Actually, Central Asia is nowhere as backward, isolated or unimportant as you think. You are only reflecting from an ethnocentric perspective.

Central Asia is rich in resources and is an area where many major powers compete for influence including Russia, China, the US, Iran, Turkey, etc.

In addition, this region may see a boost in future investment. China is strongly pushing the "New Silk Road", which would include building immense infrastructure through the region, perhaps even high speed rail all the way to Europe, and making it again a central part of the global trade network.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/chinas-new-silk-road-vision-revealed/

http://thediplomat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/thediplomat_2014-05-08_17-47-26-386x230.png

Isn't Turkey more Southern Europe?

zhaoyun
04-13-2015, 08:31 PM
Isn't Turkey more Southern Europe?

Turkey isn't Central Asia.

But the route goes through Central Asia, and links up the Middle East and Europe as well.

Imamudin
04-13-2015, 08:32 PM
> In 2004, a group of scientists from Hacettepe University, conducted mt-DNA analysis and comparison of 75 Turkish individuals with no family bonds, chosen from Turkey's 5 regions, North, South, East and Central Anatolia with a homogenous distribution. In the results, %10 M Haplogroup, which is often seen in Turkistan region, %33.3 H haplogroup which is often seen in Azerbaijan and Turks of Turkistan, %36 U Haplogroup which is also often seen in Azerbaijan and Altai Turks, were found. Based on this data, it has been confirmed that the Anatolian Turks are placed between Turks of Azerbaijan and Turks of Central Asia. The genetic comparison conducted in this research revealed that the genetic affinity of Anatolian Turks to Uyghurs, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz population is 0.0011.

Mergen H., Öner R. and Öner C. 2004 Mitochondrial DNA sequence variation in the Anatolian Peninsula (Turkey). Journal of Genetics. 83, 39-47
Mohammad Asgharzadeh et al. April 2011 Molecular diversity of mitochondrial DNA in Iranian Azeri ethnicities vis-à-vis other Azeris in Asia. Iranian Journal of Biotechnology.
J. D. McDonald, 2005, World Haplogroups Maps
Mehmet Fuat Bozkurt, Altay Dil Ailesi ve Japoncanın Türkçe ile Akrabalığı Sorunu, Aralık 1977, Türk Dili Dil ve Edebiyat Dergisi
Ivane Nasidze and Mark Stoneking. Mitochondrial DNA variation and language replacements in the Caucasus. Proceedings of the Royal Society of London

I have also seen studies about that and they speak another language.

Infinite
04-13-2015, 08:43 PM
I have also seen studies about that and they speak another language.

Not another language. Different kind of Turkish. Their Turkish is more origin than ours.

jackrussell
04-13-2015, 08:52 PM
Isn't Turkey more Southern Europe?

Thrace is European but Anatolia is Asia Minor more then anything else .Turkey also neighboiurs Caucasia and Persia , as well as Mesopotamia .:D

This is the place to be in the future ; perfect Eurasian specimen a.k.a Turkland .

Imamudin
04-13-2015, 09:35 PM
Not another language. Different kind of Turkish. Their Turkish is more origin than ours.

You retard, I mean all studies say that modern Turks from Turkey have no ties with Kazakhs, Uzbeks, etc.

Imamudin
04-13-2015, 09:41 PM
Thrace is European but Anatolia is Asia Minor more then anything else .Turkey also neighboiurs Caucasia and Persia , as well as Mesopotamia .:D

This is the place to be in the future ; perfect Eurasian specimen a.k.a Turkland .

Turks are Southern European Anatolians with many foreign influences, but they're not Mongols.

Infinite
04-13-2015, 09:41 PM
You retard, I mean all studies say that modern Turks from Turkey have no ties with Kazakhs, Uzbeks, etc.

Thanks for research. Keep study!!

Imamudin
04-13-2015, 09:45 PM
Thanks for research. Keep study!!

Turks are genetically the closest to Greeks and Albanians, not to Central Asians.

Kamal900
04-13-2015, 09:49 PM
Central Asia is the rightful property of White people. :thumb001:

No, it wasn't, and it was inhabited by both Caucasians(whites and non-Whites) and Mongoloids before the Iranic and Turkic peoples ever settled in the area.

Infinite
04-13-2015, 09:54 PM
Turks are genetically the closest to Greeks and Albanians, not to Central Asians.

Well, i didn't say something against that. I though you said we are using different languages. Missunderstood.

Proto-Shaman
04-13-2015, 11:35 PM
Central Asia is the rightful property of White people. :thumb001:

It was, now its full of half Asians and half Caucasians
The spread of the migratory theories, according to which many Türkic peoples were declared not aboriginal in their territory, but newcomers, is explainable by different reasons. The Türkologist scientists accepted this theory partially because they followed the line about the existence of the center of civilization in the Indo-European world and its periphery. The politicians of these countries saw in it a justification for the colonial policy. The first IE specialists – imbued with European colonialism of the 19th century - chose to see the Proto-Indo-Europeans as a superior race of warriors and colonizers, who would have conquered the allegedly "pre-IE" Neolithic Europe in the Copper Age, and brought their 'superior' civilization to it. Many recent studies have shown that the foundation of scientific IE research in the 19th-century was deeply influenced by the contemporary Arian, Pangermanic and colonialist ideology.

zhaoyun
04-14-2015, 12:05 AM
Cities of Central Asia

Astana, Kazakhstan

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6600/414616.fe/0_94804_a70b76b6_XXL

http://cs613416.vk.me/v613416304/134e5/lXd--CYuz3I.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7368/10253798096_0235340039_b.jpg

Almaty, Kazakhstan

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https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6841/182049450.1a/0_11ffc6_8d7542c7_XXXL

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5108/182049450.1a/0_1280a2_da681a8c_-4-XXXL

Tashkent, Uzbekistan

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5324/9289524887_5c9dec7810_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8468/8112632446_8214bf42cd_b.jpg

Urumqi, China

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3892/15161540660_2c6b2a601b_b.jpg

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Urumqi High Speed Trains

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Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3766/14259130296_21eefa9b56_h.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7137/13990073333_1139783a53_h.jpg

Vorg
04-14-2015, 12:12 AM
Kazakhstan - only more or less normal country in Central Asia.

Vorg
04-14-2015, 12:15 AM
However, there is discrimination against Russians. Russians in Kazakhstan: 1989 = 37,8%, 1999 = 30%, 2009 = 23,7%.

zhaoyun
04-14-2015, 01:04 AM
However, there is discrimination against Russians. Russians in Kazakhstan: 1989 = 37,8%, 1999 = 30%, 2009 = 23,7%.

Is there really discrimination? Or Russians just left because they didn't want to be in a Kazakh ruled country since the USSR fell?

zhaoyun
04-14-2015, 01:04 AM
Kazakhstan - only more or less normal country in Central Asia.

It is a huge country with a small population, stable/wealthy economy and good living standards.

Dandelion
04-14-2015, 01:06 AM
Kazakhstan - only more or less normal country in Central Asia.

And Turkmenistan the worst. These people are totally humourless to boot, which can't even be said of North Korea. Unlike NK also a rich country, but very much Potemkin village-like to outsiders (just like North Korea actually). They should be rich with the resources they have at least.

Well a television maker here visited both countries and he had to watch his words and actions far more in Turkmenistan than in North Korea. :p

zhaoyun
04-14-2015, 01:09 AM
And Turkmenistan the worst. These people are totally humourless to boot, which can't even be said of North Korea. Unlike NK also a rich country, but very much Potemkin village-like to outsiders (just like North Korea actually).

That's what happens when you are ruled by a narcissistic all powerful God King. I think they are slowly improving though now that he's gone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saparmurat_Niyazov

Tonuquq
04-14-2015, 01:35 AM
Turks are Southern European Anatolians with many foreign influences, but they're not Mongols.

Mongols are not Turks either but it is possible to say they are our distant cousins. Ghengis Khan made 'Otukan' the capital of his empire because he considered himself as the continuation of the Huns.

I don't really care about or rely on 'DNA tests'. Majority of such studies have a political agenda behind it, more like a perception operation. You look at the details and it says, 'the sample size-15' so, only 10-15 or 50 blood samples will determine the ethnic structure of a 80 million populated country and tell me 'the ratio of my identity' ? It is nothing but ballyhoo. How can you know from whom the samples were taken? It is not so hard to take samples from whom they consider as 'minority' and then declare the result as 'you are closer to your neighbours'.

Political Paralysis and the Genetics Agenda
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/08/08/political-paralysis-and-the-genetics-agenda/

Vorg
04-14-2015, 02:26 AM
Is there really discrimination? Or Russians just left because they didn't want to be in a Kazakh ruled country since the USSR fell?

The most complex inter-ethnic relations in southern Kazakhstan. This is due to urbanization. Wild and backward rural Kazakhs displace the urban Russian population. Also, in Kazakhstan, almost all government positions are occupied by Kazakhs, regardless of their professional qualities.

Vorg
04-14-2015, 02:30 AM
In Kazakhstan - a huge number of mestizos. There are tens of thousands of people with a completely mixed blood.

Proto-Shaman
04-14-2015, 02:32 AM
However, there is discrimination against Russians. Russians in Kazakhstan: 1989 = 37,8%, 1999 = 30%, 2009 = 23,7%.
Northern Kazakhstan, which is russian-populated, is the only region where racism exist. In the rest of the Turkic world racism is a taboo.

Vorg
04-14-2015, 02:36 AM
It is a huge country with a small population, stable/wealthy economy and good living standards.

There are certain problems. Corruption, cronyism, partial authoritarianism, ecology. By the way, in 2011 there was a meeting of oil workers in Zhanaozen. By police and army was used firearms, killing at least 14 people - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhanaozen_massacre

Kabul
04-14-2015, 02:36 AM
Russians seized the Central Asia and dragged her out of the Middle Ages : slavery was abolished, were built homes, hospitals, schools, shops, factories, etc. In 1980-s, up 25% of population of Central Asia were Russians. But with the collapse of the Soviet Union, animals staged a genocide - they expelled, killed and humiliated the Russians. Especially in Tajikistan. But since they were not able to run the state, there occurred economic crisis and wars. Therefore, most of the male population went to Russia to work. Today in Russia to 15-20 million immigrants from Central Asia. They almost do not know the Russian language, as well as engaged in criminal (drug trafficking, rape, pedophilia, Islamism, etc.).

Who cares? Russia invaded Central Asia, and now they are at least on paper independent, you have no more claim to their land than they have claim to the right to genocide Russians living there. Nothing wrong was done, they were just reclaiming what was theirs.

gültekin
04-14-2015, 02:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0UsM15TvQY
:rolleyes:
http://www.turkvision.info/
http://turkvizyon.tv/ru/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPztX11CV3I

Kabul
04-14-2015, 03:02 AM
Basically yeah, a part from some ancient Iranian ruins and shit, no one gives a shit.

Who gives a shit about those? Barely anyone on this planet's even heard of them, if they even exist that is.

gültekin
04-14-2015, 03:26 AM
:rolleyes:
http://www.jandarma.tsk.tr/ing/dis/takm/takm_en_dosyalar/image004.jpg
The TAKM - Organization of the Eurasian Law Enforcement Agencies with Military Status
http://www.jandarma.tsk.tr/ing/dis/takm/takm_en.htm
http://www.jandarma.tsk.tr/ing/dis/takm/takm_en_dosyalar/image022.jpg
http://www.jandarma.tsk.tr/ing/dis/takm/takm_en_dosyalar/image020.jpg

gültekin
04-14-2015, 03:45 AM
:rolleyes:
Ahmet Yesevi University (a university in the city of Turkistan in Kazakhstan)
http://www.ayu.edu.tr/images/sampledata/slideshow/2.jpg
http://www.yesevi.edu.tr/eng/

International Hoca Ahmet Yesevi Turkish-Kazakh University is an international and autonomous mutual state university of the Republics of Turkey and Kazakhstan.

The foundations of the University were first laid under the name of Turkistan State University a short time before the collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics upon the decision of Nursultan NAZARBAYEV, the President of Kazakhstan, dated June 6, 1991. The basic mission of the University was determined as “improving the city of Turkistan, the historical science and culture centre of the Central Asia.”

Upon “The Common Declaration”, which was published in the Almaty Summit, organized on 29 March-1 May 1992, between Nursultan NAZARBAYEV, the President of Kazakhstan, and Süleyman DEMİREL, the Prime Minister of Turkish Republic, and “The Cooperation Agreement in Fields of Education, Science, Culture and Sports”, which was signed between two countries on May 1, 1992, it was decided that Turkistan State University shall be the mutual university of both countries, and The Memorandum of Understanding concerning the issue was signed on September 28, 1992, in Ankara.

“Agreement on Founding International Hoca Ahmet Yesevi Turkish-Kazakh University in the city of Turkistan” was signed between the governments of two countries at The Summit of The Presidents of Turkish-Speaking Countries on October 31, 1992 in Ankara. The agreement became effective after it was endorsed by the Act No. 3904 enacted on April 29, 1993 by the Turkish Grand National Assembly, and it was published in the 21571st issue of the Official Gazette, dated May 4, 1993.

The Cooperation Agreement, signed as of this agreement, and The Annexed Charter were signed on June 30, 1993, in Almaty. Upon the approval of The Cooperation Agreement and The Charter by the Cabinet Council of Turkish Republic with the decision, numbered 93/4848, and dated September 24, 1993, and the publication of the decision on the 21729th issue of the Official Gazette, dated October 15, 1993, the establishment of the University was completed, and its administration was assigned to the Board of Trustees.

The Chief Advisor of the Prime Minister, Namık Kemal Zeybek, was assigned as the first president of the Board of Trustees on October 18, 1993. Zeybek, appointed as the president for the second time on May 17, 1999, held his post until July 20, 2006, and he left his position to Retired Full General Çetin Doğan on July 20, 2006. After Doğan, Prof. Dr. Osman Horata, from Hacettepe University, who is also the President of Atatürk Cultural Centre (AKDTYK), was appointed as the President of the Board of Trustees.

In accordance with the Charter, the rector of the university is appointed by the Higher Educational Council of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and the first vice rector is appointed by the Higher Educational Council of the Republic of Turkey. Now, our rector is Prof. Dr. Valihan Abdibekov, while the first vice rector is Prof. Dr. Musa Yıldız.

After the university had become an international and mutual educational institution, students, coming from Turkey and other Turkic countries or communities to Kazakhstan, were admitted for the academic year of 1994-1995.

Ahmet Yesevi University has 11 faculties and 1 school of higher education, and it has almost 20.000 students, 2.600 of whom are from Turkey, and 700 of whom are from Turkic countries and communities other than Kazakhstan. There are also more than 1800 academicians in our university.

The central campus of the university is founded on an area of 300 hectare in the city of Turkistan in South Kazakhstan. Apart from the main campus, there are also educational institutes in the cities of Turkistan and Kentav.

Çimkent Pedagogical Institute was incorporated into our university in 1993, and so was Taraz Institute in 1999. It was agreed that the students of South Kazakhstan Faculty of Medicine in Çimkent could continue their education until the graduation in our university. Upon the decision taken by the Board of Trustees, since the academic year of 2008-2009, Çimkent and Taraz Institutes have stopped admitting students on behalf of Ahmet Yesevi University, and these institutes have been handed down to the Ministry of Education and Science of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

In the central campus, Ahmet Yesevi University Medical Centre Hospital, which was equipped with the state-of-the-art technologies, started to serve mainly for the people in the city of Turkistan and its locals on December 1, 2008.

In the Ankara Summit, held between Nursultan Nazarbayev, the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan and Abdullah Gül, the President of the Republic of Turkey, during October 21 and 24, Turkey and Kazakhstan displayed their enthusiasm to cooperate in the area of education by signing on October 22, 2009, “The Agreement on the Operation of International Hodja Ahmet Yesevi Turkish-Kazakh University,” which clarifies rights and obligations of the contracting party countries.

The new agreement and its attachment protocol was accepted by Kazakh Parliament on 9th January 2012 (Egemen Kazakhstan Paper, 17th January, 2012) and by Turkish Parliament on 25th January 2012 with the law numbered 6272 (Official Gazzette, 3 February, 2012, and issue 28193). The Cabinet decree concerning the issue, dated 5.3.2012 was published (Official Gazzette, 23 March, 2012, and issue 28242). With the Cabinet decree dated 7th August 2012 (Official Gazzette, 7 August, 2012, and issue 28377), the date of enforcement of the agreement was determined as 28th March 2012.

The Presidency of the Board of Trustees continues to operate in its building in Ankara. Similarly, the coordination of Distance Education of Turkey-Turkish Programs (TURTEP), Turkistan Faculty of Distance Education is carried out by the units in Ankara and Istanbul.

Ahmet Yesevi University, which increases its education and instruction quality day by day, and which is now the most advanced university in Kazakhstan with its material infrastructure, continues its efforts on the way “to meet history in its roots,” as Atatürk said in 1933, with its belief in constant development.

gültekin
04-14-2015, 03:55 AM
:rolleyes:
Turkic Council
http://www.turkkon.org/en-US/HomePage
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The Cooperation Council of Turkic Speaking States (Turkic Council) was establihed in 2009 as an international intergovernmental organization, with the overarching aim of promoting comprehensive cooperation among Turkic Speaking States
http://www.mfa.gov.tr/turk-konseyi-en.en.mfa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCAkh5A384w
....
Türksoy
http://www.turksoy.org.tr/en
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/i/int-turksoy.gif
Member State
Republic Of Azerbaijan
Republic Of Kazakhstan
Kyrgyz Republic
Republic Of Uzbekistan
Republic Of Turkey
Turkmenistan
Observer State
Altai Republic (RF)
Republic Of Bashkortostan (RF)
Gagauzia (Moldova)
Khakas Republic (RF)
Turkish Republic Of Northern Cyprus
Republic Of Sakha (Yakutia) (RF)
Republic Of Tatarstan (RF)
Tyva Republic (RF)

In the late 20th century, with the disbandment of the Soviet Union, our world went enrolled into a new period, where the secrets of emphatic and constricted ideological blocks began to surmount and the signs of Cold War era began to fuse. Bearing on mind the rapid increase of the globalization process and the need to protect against the consequences of this cultural erosion, and in order to protect, to keep alive and to transfer the cultural values of the people of Turkish origin and, from this period on, there arose an idea of forming UNESCO suchlike model among the Turkish world. With this demeanor, the ministers of culture of a newly independent five Turkic republics, namely, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kirgizstan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan together with Republic of Turkey gathered in Istanbul in order to maintain and strengthen the already existing common cultural presence and agreed to co-operate in the sphere of culture. The ministers of culture who were on charge on that period, and who were insist and stable on behalf oh this issue signed a Protocol of Will and formed a Permanent Council of Ministers of Culture in order to support the Turkish language, history and culture, with other words, to support the moral existence of Turkish values. Those contacts continued in Baku, Azerbaijan in the December of 1992. As a consequence of this stable and resolute co-operation, the next year, on 12th of July of 1993, in Alma-Ata, they signed the agreement on Principles of Activities and Establishment of TURKSOY, which it than formed the TURKSOY, which until that that time this agreement was seen as a far-reachable light!; an utopia!

Than, there were access of countries to the TURKSOY in the capacity of observers and members, namely, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, the Tataristan which is under the rule of Russian Federation, Bashkortostan, Hakasia, Tiva, Saha (Yakut), and autonomous republics of Altay and Special Province of Gagauzia which is bonded to the Moldavia. TURKSOY is an internationally attributed organization which supplies co-operation among the Turkish speaking countries and categorically, does not intervene to the countries executive administration, or domestic or foreign policy, in any case!

The official writing or correspond language of TURKSOY is the Turkish language which is spoken in Turkey, and its administrative center is in Ankara. Bearing on mind that the TUKSOY is formed according to UNESCO`s model, its main administrative body is general directorate. Mr. Polad Bulbuloglu, the former Minister of Culture of Azerbaijan, was the general director on charge of the TURKSOY between 1994 and 2006. Than, from the 2006-2008, the TURKSOY had general substitution director ad interim. On 28 may of 2008 in Ankara, there was held the 24th Anniversary Meeting of the Permanent Council of the Turkish Speaking Countries and the former Minister of Culture Mr. Duysen Kaseinov, with a consensus/unanimity was elected as a director general of TURKSOY.

According to the agreement of the organization, the deputy general director of the TURKSOY, is elected by a member of the Republic of Turkey, this is accredited by the Ministry of Culture of the Republic of Turkey. Mr. Firat Purtas a PhD, is still on charge as organizations deputy director - general.

TURKSOY, which is a herald of rich and rooted civilization, and the UNESCO of Turkish world, is moving forward with a secure, sure, confident and hopeful steps.

Jehan
04-14-2015, 07:29 AM
Also, in Kazakhstan, almost all government positions are occupied by Kazakhs, regardless of their professional qualities.

Is there a law that people must be fluent in kazak to occupy a government position?



In Kazakhstan - a huge number of mestizos. There are tens of thousands of people with a completely mixed blood.

russians and kazaks have good relations if they are so a lot of inter ethnic relations.

Böri
04-14-2015, 08:30 AM
Turks are genetically the closest to Greeks and Albanians, not to Central Asians.

Wrong. We don't cluster with Albanians. If genetics true we seem to cluster between Azeris, Circassians and Georgians. Oghuz (Seljuk Turks element) present at huge levels. The main element is Oghuz. Even Balkan Turks (Turkish Bulgarians) dont cluster with Albanians and Greeks as they are between Anatolian Turks and Balkan Slavs (Bulgarians and other).

Imamudin
04-14-2015, 08:40 AM
However, there is discrimination against Russians. Russians in Kazakhstan: 1989 = 37,8%, 1999 = 30%, 2009 = 23,7%.

Because all the "Russians" moved to Germany.

Imamudin
04-14-2015, 08:46 AM
Wrong. We don't cluster with Albanians. If genetics true we seem to cluster between Azeris, Circassians and Georgians. Oghuz (Seljuk Turks element) present at huge levels. The main element is Oghuz. Even Balkan Turks (Turkish Bulgarians) dont cluster with Albanians and Greeks as they are between Anatolian Turks and Balkan Slavs (Bulgarians and other).

Turks are genetically pure Southern Europeans and not related with Georgians or Circassians.

Böri
04-14-2015, 09:08 AM
Turks are genetically pure Southern Europeans and not related with Georgians or Circassians.

No we arent. You repeat same things, you have link to studies or so? We don't cluster with Greeks, Albanians etc. information I gave in post above is shared every other day in forum. We are Oghuz not only culture also genetics.

Imamudin
04-14-2015, 09:16 AM
No we arent. You repeat same things, you have link to studies or so? We don't cluster with Greeks, Albanians etc. information I gave in post above is shared every other day in forum. We are Oghuz not only culture also genetics.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Genetic_affinities_among_southeastern_European_and _Central_Asian_populations.png

Böri
04-14-2015, 10:01 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Genetic_affinities_among_southeastern_European_and _Central_Asian_populations.png

Armenians also draw such maps and show their dreams to cluster with Turks. You are new in forum. You haven't seen data shared here. We have nothing to do with Greeks, Italians, Albanians and similars. Turks dont cluster with any. Also check Eupedia Autosomal maps Turks circa 11% Mongoloid. And our ancestors who arrived here were majority Caucasian. We don't cluster with Mediterranean people's.

Imamudin
04-14-2015, 10:08 AM
Armenians also draw such maps and show their dreams to cluster with Turks. You are new in forum. You haven't seen data shared here. We have nothing to do with Greeks, Italians, Albanians and similars. Turks dont cluster with any. Also check Eupedia Autosomal maps Turks circa 11% Mongoloid. And our ancestors who arrived here were majority Caucasian. We don't cluster with Mediterranean people's.

Your roots lie in the South West, not in the Caucasus. You're mainly native Anatolians mixed with everyone, also Central Asians.

gültekin
04-14-2015, 10:11 AM
Your roots lie in the South West, not in the Caucasus. You're mainly native Anatolians mixed with everyone, also Central Asians.
outdated BS dude, don't waste your time with such crap

Zmey Gorynych
04-14-2015, 10:12 AM
There are no news from Central Asia simply because Russia's authority in the region is still unchalanged (for now), as soon as a competitor will rise news will start flowing. The region is rich in mineral resources and northern Kazakhstan has excelent climatic and agricultural conditions.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Genetic_affinities_among_southeastern_European_and _Central_Asian_populations.png
Do you even know what this map is? You're one of the worst (or best, depends how you look at things) bro-scientists in here. Witness is right, stop embarrassing yourself.

Imamudin
04-14-2015, 10:20 AM
Do you even know what this map is? You're one of the worst (or best, depends how you look at things) bro-scientists in here. Witness is right, stop embarrassing yourself.

It's not difficult to understand what the map shows, isn't it?

Zmey Gorynych
04-14-2015, 10:22 AM
It's not difficult to understand what the map shows, isn't it?
Well then say it. What is it that the map depicts.

Imamudin
04-14-2015, 10:27 AM
Well then say it. What is it that the map depicts.

It displays genetic affinities between Southern Europeans, including Turks, and Central Asians.

Zmey Gorynych
04-14-2015, 10:42 AM
It displays genetic affinities between Southern Europeans, including Turks, and Central Asians.
This map is based solely on Y-dna haplogroups which represent an insignificant fraction of a population's genetic makeup. It is the autosomal dna that shows the true genetic character of a nation. Turks are predominantly west-asian just like armenians.

Imamudin
04-14-2015, 02:53 PM
This map is based solely on Y-dna haplogroups which represent an insignificant fraction of a population's genetic makeup. It is the autosomal dna that shows the true genetic character of a nation. Turks are predominantly west-asian just like armenians.

Turks are predominantly like a mix of Greeks/Southern Europeans and Levantines/Middle Easterners.

Vorg
04-14-2015, 03:02 PM
Also, between Kazakhs and Chechens very tense relationship. Chechens appeared in Kazakhstan in 1944, after the deportation. Due to the fact that they are heating up the criminal situation, Kazakhs staged anti-Chechen pogroms in 1950-s. The feud flared up again in the late 80s and 90s. Throughout Kazakhstan a wave of pogroms. Recent anti-Chechen riots took place in 2007, in the Almaty region, in southern Kazakhstan.

Hashoeva
04-14-2015, 03:09 PM
Turks are predominantly like a mix of Greeks/Southern Europeans and Levantines/Middle Easterners.
Nope not at all, they are mostly Anatolian of origins with minor Turkic blood depending on the region of Turkey and closely related to other Anatolians like Armenians, Assyrians, Greek-Anatolians, etc.

Imamudin
04-14-2015, 03:23 PM
Nope not at all, they are mostly Anatolian of origins with minor Turkic blood depending on the region of Turkey and closely related to other Anatolians like Armenians, Assyrians, Greek-Anatolians, etc.

I have said exactly the same.

Tonuquq
04-14-2015, 04:00 PM
None of you have a real history knowledge except parroting the same old memorized, made up stories. 'Turks are mostly this, minor Turkic that'. Find some new material.

Expert on the Seljuk history, Claude Cahen stated that there is no sign in historical records that confirms a mass conversion of Anatolian Christians. Considering that one of the main conditions of mixture between nations is having the same religion, Turks assimilating local Christians theory is nothing but an urban legend. That is why you always write the same text but can never prove it. Politically motivated DNA-genetic studies, carried out with 15 blood samples average is not science, it is a perception operation with an agenda behind it.

There is no such thing as, 'Anatolian or Greek-Armenian genes' either since there is no ethnicity called Anatolian and the origin of Arm. is not even known and Arm. is completely a made up identity.

Modern Greek identity was built on Orthodoxy so if you are looking for assimilation, what you call Greek nation today was formed by Albanians, Vlachs, Slavs, and Karamanlides who pledged loyalty to Greek Orthodox church and adopted Greek language. As Engels wrote in 19th century, Greek as an ethnic identity remained in the past and does not exist anymore

Turks and Persians are the only two historical nations with state tradition in Asia Minor.

Jehan
04-14-2015, 04:12 PM
Also, between Kazakhs and Chechens very tense relationship. Chechens appeared in Kazakhstan in 1944, after the deportation. Due to the fact that they are heating up the criminal situation, Kazakhs staged anti-Chechen pogroms in 1950-s. The feud flared up again in the late 80s and 90s. Throughout Kazakhstan a wave of pogroms. Recent anti-Chechen riots took place in 2007, in the Almaty region, in southern Kazakhstan.

Can you tell us more about those riot? We didn't heard about in europe and i'am interest.

Vorg
04-14-2015, 04:26 PM
Can you tell us more about those riot? We didn't heard about in europe and i'am interest.

From Wiki:

1951 anti-Chechen pogrom in Eastern Kazakhstan

The anti-Chechen pogrom in Eastern Kazakhstan took place in spring and summer, 1951, in Eastern Kazakhstan (part of the Soviet Union at the time), upon ethnic tensions between mainly ethnic Russians and deported Chechens. A blood libel rumor, according to which the Chechens allegedly use "Christian blood in their rituals" may also have contributed to the escalation of events. The riots occurred in 3 cities - Leninogorsk, Ust-Kamenogorsk and Zyryanovsk.[1]

The main riots took place on April 10, 1951, in the Chechen-city neighbourhood of Leninogorsk.[1] The riots, led by groups of amnestied criminals upon the Chechen civilians led to the deaths of 40-41 people, mainly of Caucasian origins. Arrests were late made by Soviet authorities on initiators and 50 people from among the criminals were persecuted by courts, though no riot leaders were identified.

Kazakhs's patience ran out, when in 1955, Khrushchev proposed to form a separate republic of the Chechens and Ingush in the territory of Taldy-korgan and part of the Alma-Ata region. In the Kazakh villages and cities began the protests. Kazakhs asked the authorities to evict the Chechens back to the Grozny region. Khrushchev went as follows: he allowed all who wish to return to the Chechen-Ingush republic, and who unwilling - to stay in Kazakhstan. With a decrease in the number of Chechens, the sharpness of ethnic conflicts subsided, but when in the late 50's there were the first co-operatives, which gave rise to the first racketeering, first racketeers were the chechens.

17-28 June 1989 in New Uzen Kazakh SSR between Kazakhs and Chechens there were serious clashes. To suppress the collisions were involved armored personnel carriers, tanks, attack helicopters and other military equipment. Authorities were able to suppress the riots only on the fourth day.

In 1992, there were anti-Chechen riots in Ust-Kamenogorsk, after which almost all Chechens left the Eastern Kazakhstan. In the next 15 years in different regions of Kazakhstan took place pogroms, culminating in becoming the eviction of the Chechen population. The largest rebellion took place in March 2007 in the village of Malovodnoe in Almaty region. After that, the number of Chechens living in Kazakhstan, who already reduced from the collapse of the Union, fell back in twice.

Danishmend
04-14-2015, 04:39 PM
Turks are predominantly like a mix of Greeks/Southern Europeans and Levantines/Middle Easterners.

Chichic you ignorant animal, why do you keep changing your username?

Here are oracle results of Turks. Turks are a mix of Central Asians and Native Anatolians.

Western Turks:

South_Italian+Turkmen @ 3,595683
Ashkenazi+Turkmen @ 4,064857
Afghan_Uzbeki+Sephardic_Jewish @ 4,126603
Central_Sicilian+Turkmen @ 4,514047
Afghan_Uzbeki+South_Italian @ 4,521887
East_Sicilian+Turkmen @ 4,806258
Afghan_Tadjik+Sephardic_Jewish @ 5,024205
Afghan_Uzbeki+Ashkenazi @ 5,058791
Afghan_Uzbeki+Central_Sicilian @ 5,07421
Turkmen+West_Sicilian @ 5,308143
Afghan_Uzbeki+East_Sicilian @ 5,389399
Afghan_Uzbeki+Stuttgart @ 5,601301
Afghan_Tadjik+South_Italian @ 5,637372
Italian_Abruzzo+Turkmen @ 5,812734

East Central Anatolian Turks' (Cappadocia)
50% Georgian_Imer +25% Afghan_Uzbeki +25% Stuttgart @ 0,993645
50% Georgian_Laz +25% South_Italian +25% Turkmen @ 1,021473
50% Georgian_Laz +25% East_Sicilian +25% Turkmen @ 1,403492
50% Georgian_Laz +25% Central_Sicilian +25% Turkmen @ 1,406905
50% Georgian_Imer +25% Afghan_Tadjik +25% Stuttgart @ 1,439459
50% Georgian_Laz +25% Ashkenazi +25% Turkmen @ 1,485218
50% Georgian_Imer +25% Stuttgart +25% Turkmen @ 1,485346
50% Armenian +25% Afghan_Uzbeki +25% South_Italian @ 1,486082
50% Armenian +25% Afghan_Uzbeki +25% Central_Sicilian @ 1,495251
50% Georgian_Imer +25% Afghan_Uzbeki +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 1,502366

Zmey Gorynych
04-14-2015, 04:43 PM
Turks are predominantly like a mix of Greeks/Southern Europeans and Levantines/Middle Easterners.
Here's the autosomal of Armenians, Turks and Greeks. So turks are closer genetically to Caucasus people like armenians, georgians, chechens, etc.

Armenians: West-Asian - 50.7%, Atlanto-Med - 24.9%, Near East 20.2%
Turks: West-Asian - 41%, Atlanto-Med - 22.5%, Near East - 17%, North East European - 7.7%
Greeks: Atlanto-Med - 37.8%, West-Asian - 22.8%, North East European - 21.4%, Near East 16%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kYUlhYoeKSVU32StUdiAl5DhJYYk6hdGqHo5vquadBY/edit?pli=1#gid=0

TheGoldenSon
04-14-2015, 04:46 PM
Russians seized the Central Asia and dragged her out of the Middle Ages : slavery was abolished, were built homes, hospitals, schools, shops, factories, etc. In 1980-s, up 25% of population of Central Asia were Russians. But with the collapse of the Soviet Union, animals staged a genocide - they expelled, killed and humiliated the Russians. Especially in Tajikistan. But since they were not able to run the state, there occurred economic crisis and wars. Therefore, most of the male population went to Russia to work. Today in Russia to 15-20 million immigrants from Central Asia. They almost do not know the Russian language, as well as engaged in criminal (drug trafficking, rape, pedophilia, Islamism, etc.).

Hmm... I don't recall that it played out that way.

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, economy hit the new low. Majority of Russians migrated west towards Moscow or America, while the remainder were slowly being encouraged by the current regime to migrate back to Russia to stave off a demographic collapse.

Vorg
04-14-2015, 04:52 PM
Hmm... I don't recall that it played out that way.

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, economy hit the new low. Majority of Russians migrated west towards Moscow or America, while the remainder were slowly being encouraged by the current regime to migrate back to Russia to stave off a demographic collapse.

A significant part of the Russians ran from Central Asia to escape the pogroms and murders. Especially in Tajikistan. In 1990, in Dushanbe, the radical Tajik Islamists began pogroms against Russians, Armenians, Ukrainians and Jews. Most of those killed were Russians.

Imamudin
04-14-2015, 04:55 PM
Here's the autosomal of Armenians, Turks and Greeks. So turks are closer genetically to Caucasus people like armenians, georgians, chechens, etc.

Turks and Chechens are like from different planets :lol:

Apart from that, there are also huge differences between Armenians, Georgians and Chechens.

Vorg
04-14-2015, 04:57 PM
Tajik Poetess Gulrukhsor Safieva, who read poems for radical tajik Islamists and thugs in 1990:

"Reviled by northern barbarians, my beautiful dark-eyed Motherland!"

"Paycheck come, and let the blood wash away the russian dirt from Tajikistan!"

http://www.toptj.com/images/GetCmsStorageFile.ashx?file_id=ABA91062-FD44-E211-88BD-000F20D0F73F

Tonuquq
04-14-2015, 05:13 PM
None of you have a real history knowledge except parroting the same old memorized, made up stories. 'Turks are mostly this, minor Turkic that'. Find some new material.

Expert on the Seljuk history, Claude Cahen stated that there is no sign in historical records that confirms a mass conversion of Anatolian Christians. Considering that one of the main conditions of mixture between nations is having the same religion, Turks assimilating local Christians theory is nothing but an urban legend. That is why you always write the same text but can never prove it. Politically motivated DNA-genetic studies, carried out with 15 blood samples average is not science, it is a perception operation with an agenda behind it.

There is no such thing as, 'Anatolian or Greek-Armenian genes' either since there is no ethnicity called Anatolian and the origin of Arm. is not even known and Arm. is completely a made up identity.

Modern Greek identity was built on Orthodoxy so if you are looking for assimilation, what you call Greek nation today was formed by Albanians, Vlachs, Slavs, and Karamanlides who pledged loyalty to Greek Orthodox church and adopted Greek language. As Engels wrote in 19th century, Greek as an ethnic identity remained in the past and does not exist anymore

Turks and Persians are the only two historical nations with state tradition in Asia Minor.

Stop parroting the same old memorized urban legends and made up stories with no historical, documented evidence and disprove this dumb trolls with no real arguments.

Tonuquq
04-14-2015, 05:33 PM
Here is your Greek 'ethnicity'.

> Through the end of the revolution in 1830, Greeks, including most of the 19th nationalists, seemed to have had a vague but firm sense of continuity from ancient to modern Greece, though this was not articulated in racial terms but on the basis of a common language, history and consciousness. In effect at this time, whoever called themselves a Greek was a Greek. It is because of this that many Greek speaking Albanians, Slavs, Rumanians and Vlachs were easily assimilated and indeed became important players in Greek patriotism at the time.
Alexandra Halkias, The Empty Cradle of Democracy

And here is Arm. 'ethnicity'.

> The origin, history of Armenia and Armenians are very dark. This territory from ancient times was conquered by the emigrants from plains of the Pamirs and Indikush. Armenians, like all nations, have their mythical heroes. The national historians, having no details, evident sources, placed them with characters from fairy tales.
Basmadjan

> The historical records we have indicate that some individuals and families accepted Islam, but they provide no information about Christian folk getting assimilated through mass conversion and becoming Muslim. They also provide no sign of mass admixture between Anatolian Turks, Romans and Armenians.
Zeki Velidi Togan, Umumi Turk Tarihine Giris-The History of Turks

Read and learn trolls. Stop promoting the made up identities as if they are some kind of a 'race'.

Imamudin
04-14-2015, 05:44 PM
Here is your Greek 'ethnicity'.

> Through the end of the revolution in 1830, Greeks, including most of the 19th nationalists, seemed to have had a vague but firm sense of continuity from ancient to modern Greece, though this was not articulated in racial terms but on the basis of a common language, history and consciousness. In effect at this time, whoever called themselves a Greek was a Greek. It is because of this that many Greek speaking Albanians, Slavs, Rumanians and Vlachs were easily assimilated and indeed became important players in Greek patriotism at the time.
Alexandra Halkias, The Empty Cradle of Democracy

And here is Arm. 'ethnicity'.

> The origin, history of Armenia and Armenians are very dark. This territory from ancient times was conquered by the emigrants from plains of the Pamirs and Indikush. Armenians, like all nations, have their mythical heroes. The national historians, having no details, evident sources, placed them with characters from fairy tales.
Basmadjan

> The historical records we have indicate that some individuals and families accepted Islam, but they provide no information about Christian folk getting assimilated through mass conversion and becoming Muslim. They also provide no sign of mass admixture between Anatolian Turks, Romans and Armenians.
Zeki Velidi Togan, Umumi Turk Tarihine Giris-The History of Turks

Read and learn trolls. Stop promoting the made up identities as if they are some kind of a 'race'.

No one has talked about a Greek ethnicity here, it's just that Turks have a similar gene pool like Greeks, especially Central and South Greeks.

Шуло
04-14-2015, 05:49 PM
It's a wide region but we never heard anything about. Probably because it's a poor region with a small population density.

Usually the countries include in central asia are the following:
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan


Some parts like piedmont valleys irrigated by mountain rivers are very densely populated. But they surrounded by vast deserts and barren mountains.

Tonuquq
04-14-2015, 05:51 PM
No one has talked about a Greek ethnicity here, it's just that Turks have a similar gene pool like Greeks, especially Central and South Greeks.

There is no such thing as 'Greek gene' Lol.

Шуло
04-14-2015, 05:54 PM
It's a wide region but we never heard anything about. Probably because it's a poor region with a small population density.

Usually the countries include in central asia are the following:
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan


Kazakhstan often not including in Middle Asia. Because it differs. Kazakhstan is somewhere between Middle Asia and Siberia. Not only geographically, but cultural, climatic and so on.

Шуло
04-14-2015, 06:00 PM
And Turkmenistan the worst. These people are totally humourless to boot, which can't even be said of North Korea. Unlike NK also a rich country, but very much Potemkin village-like to outsiders (just like North Korea actually). They should be rich with the resources they have at least.

Well a television maker here visited both countries and he had to watch his words and actions far more in Turkmenistan than in North Korea. :p

Disputable. Tadjikistan is far more poor.

Шуло
04-14-2015, 06:05 PM
For my point of view Turks are culturally very different from Middle Asians. Apart from the fact that Middleasians are very different themself. Nomads are very different from inhabitants of the oases.

Hashoeva
04-14-2015, 08:46 PM
Tajik Poetess Gulrukhsor Safieva, who read poems for radical tajik Islamists and thugs in 1990:

"Reviled by northern barbarians, my beautiful dark-eyed Motherland!"

"Paycheck come, and let the blood wash away the russian dirt from Tajikistan!"

http://www.toptj.com/images/GetCmsStorageFile.ashx?file_id=ABA91062-FD44-E211-88BD-000F20D0F73F
So? You Russians are one of the biggest mass murderers in the world by occupying and murdering the native inhabitants like you did for example in the Chechen wars. Also by forcing Russian culture, lifestyle, alphabet, etc. Ofcourse the Tajiki's wanted to kick you Russian ass out of Tajikistan because they dont want your communist filth. The only reason Russia occupied and still occupy's Central-Asia in a diplomatic way is because of their resources and not because you wanted to help those poor people.

Vorg
04-14-2015, 09:02 PM
So? You Russians are one of the biggest mass murderers in the world by occupying and murdering the native inhabitants like you did for example in the Chechen wars. Also by forcing Russian culture, lifestyle, alphabet, etc. Ofcourse the Tajiki's wanted to kick you Russian ass out of Tajikistan because they dont want your communist filth. The only reason Russia occupied and still occupy's Central-Asia in a diplomatic way is because of their resources and not because you wanted to help those poor people.

You know what the funny thing? During the civil war in Tajikistan, the Russian soldiers rescued her and for a long time she lived in Moscow. Only recently, she went back in Dushanbe. - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0,_%D0%93 %D1%83%D0%BB%D1%80%D1%83%D1%85%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%80

Шуло
04-14-2015, 09:02 PM
So? You Russians are one of the biggest mass murderers in the world by occupying and murdering the native inhabitants like you did for example in the Chechen wars. Also by forcing Russian culture, lifestyle, alphabet, etc. Ofcourse the Tajiki's wanted to kick you Russian ass out of Tajikistan because they dont want your communist filth. The only reason Russia occupied and still occupy's Central-Asia in a diplomatic way is because of their resources and not because you wanted to help those poor people.

Thats why millions of them migrate to Russia and pay money for Russian citezenship.

Шуло
04-14-2015, 09:08 PM
You know what the funny thing? During the civil war in Tajikistan, the Russian soldiers rescued her and now she lives in Moscow, as well as millions of her compatriots.

Because she is typical Sovok, which really assured that Russia could nothing without Great Tadjikistan )))

Vorg
04-14-2015, 09:11 PM
Because she is typical Sovok, which really assured that Russia could nothing without Great Tadjikistan )))

At the same time, they sincerely believe that the Russians oppressed them and not allowed to develop.

http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0/35/476/35476728_1227083496_000x5rs0.jpg

Zmey Gorynych
04-15-2015, 05:41 AM
Turks and Chechens are like from different planets :lol:

Apart from that, there are also huge differences between Armenians, Georgians and Chechens.
In what world is that? We're still talking of genetics right? Culturally you may be different although Islam brings you closer than you might think. Or maybe you're under the impression that chechens are some kind of nordic folk? I have nothing against chechens, certain aspects of chechen character are worthy of respect but lets keep both feet on the ground, all people from that region (Caucasus, Anatolia) are predominantly west-asians. Here is the autosomal of a few caucasian nations + the turks.

Chechens: West-Asian - 53%, Atlanto-Med - 16%, North-East European - 15.5%, Near-East - 4.5%
Circassians: West-Asian - 50.5%, Atlanto-Med - 18.3%, North-East European - 16.1%, Near-East - 6.1%
Ossetians: West-Asian - 54.8%, Atlanto-Med - 18.2, North East European - 9.6%, Near-East 4.2%
Georgians: West-Asian - 53%, Atlanto-Med - 19.7%, North-East European - 12.4%, Near East - 8.5%
Armenians: West-Asian - 50.7%, Atlanto-Med - 24.9%, Near East 20.2%
Turks: West-Asian - 41%, Atlanto-Med - 22.5%, Near East - 17%, North East European - 7.7%

You're practically the same with Circassians, Osettians and Georgians, very close to armenians and a little further from turks. In the broad picture you're one people.

gültekin
04-15-2015, 05:48 AM
In what world is that? We're still talking of genetics right? Culturally you may be different although Islam brings you closer than you might think. Or maybe you're under the impression that chechens are some kind of nordic folk? I have nothing against chechens, certain aspects of chechen character are worthy of respect but lets keep both feet on the ground, all people from that region (Caucasus, Anatolia) are predominantly west-asians. Here is the autosomal of a few caucasian nations + the turks.

Chechens: West-Asian - 53%, Atlanto-Med - 16%, North-East European - 15.5%, Near-East - 4.5%
Circassians: West-Asian - 50.5%, Atlanto-Med - 18.3%, North-East European - 16.1%, Near-East - 6.1%
Ossetians: West-Asian - 54.8%, Atlanto-Med - 18.2, North East European - 9.6%, Near-East 4.2%
Georgians: West-Asian - 53%, Atlanto-Med - 19.7%, North-East European - 12.4%, Near East - 8.5%
Armenians: West-Asian - 50.7%, Atlanto-Med - 24.9%, Near East 20.2%
Turks: West-Asian - 41%, Atlanto-Med - 22.5%, Near East - 17%, North East European - 7.7%

You're practically the same with Circassians, Osettians and Georgians, very close to armenians and a little more distant from turks. In the broad picture you're one people.
result of an "ethnic" Turk
K9b

Southwest_Asian 26.90%
Native_American 0.68%
Northeast_Asian 10.45%
Mediterranean 29.70%
North_European 31.26%
Southeast_Asian 0.41%
Oceanian 0.45%
South_African 0.16%
Sub-Saharan_African -

K9

South Asian 2.30%
Caucasus 37.47%
Southwest Asian 10.31%
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.61%
Siberian 6.80%
Mediterranean 17.92%
East Asian 5.21%
West African 0.14%
North European 19.24%

Zmey Gorynych
04-15-2015, 05:53 AM
result of an "ethnic" Turk
Different calculators use different components and generate different results therefore you need to compare the averages of nations (not just individual results) from the same calculator.

gültekin
04-15-2015, 06:10 AM
Different calculators use different components and generate different results therefore you need to compare the averages of nations (not just individual results) from the same calculator.
the problem is ,results of Turkey and Turks is two different things, you know..

Tonuquq
04-15-2015, 06:13 AM
Some reconstructed faces of the 'Huns'. They look predominantly Caucasian.

http://i.imgur.com/vcvE2IB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Js24uxg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KgVW4a3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2hVHzpC.jpg

Imamudin
04-15-2015, 01:32 PM
You're practically the same with Circassians, Osettians and Georgians, very close to armenians and a little further from turks. In the broad picture you're one people.

Chechens are far different from Turks. There is a huge genetic distance between us and Turks. Turks only cluster with Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Georgians due to the neighborhood and because they're from the other side of the Caucasus mountains.

Zmey Gorynych
04-16-2015, 05:37 AM
Chechens are far different from Turks. There is a huge genetic distance between us and Turks. Turks only cluster with Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Georgians due to the neighborhood and because they're from the other side of the Caucasus mountains.
Are you that fucking dumb? I gave you a source for the autosomal dna of all the people you mentioned here, even took the time to select and type the results in this thread and from those figures it is clear that these people cluster together. When each ethnicity is around 50% west-asian how can there be a huge distance? You're a non-european caucasian nation, deal with it.

Imamudin
04-16-2015, 11:29 AM
Are you that fucking dumb? I gave you a source for the autosomal dna of all the people you mentioned here, even took the time to select and type the results in this thread and from those figures it is clear that these people cluster together. When each ethnicity is around 50% west-asian how can there be a huge distance? You're a non-european caucasian nation, deal with it.

I haven't said we're European (although the Caucasus is geographically Europe), but there is a huge difference between us and Turks.

Learning_Genetics
04-16-2015, 11:32 AM
Russians seized the Central Asia and dragged her out of the Middle Ages : slavery was abolished, were built homes, hospitals, schools, shops, factories, etc. In 1980-s, up 25% of population of Central Asia were Russians. But with the collapse of the Soviet Union, animals staged a genocide - they expelled, killed and humiliated the Russians. Especially in Tajikistan. But since they were not able to run the state, there occurred economic crisis and wars. Therefore, most of the male population went to Russia to work. Today in Russia to 15-20 million immigrants from Central Asia. They almost do not know the Russian language, as well as engaged in criminal (drug trafficking, rape, pedophilia, Islamism, etc.).

So there were anti-Russian pogroms in the 1990s? I thought that was only in the North Caucasus?

Vorg
04-16-2015, 11:52 AM
So there were anti-Russian pogroms in the 1990s? I thought that was only in the North Caucasus?

Many Russian inhabitants fled from Central Asia, dressed in dressing gnows and slippers.

Learning_Genetics
04-16-2015, 11:55 AM
Many Russian inhabitants fled from Central Asia, dressed in dressing gnows and slippers.

So they were absolutely robbed of everything?

Vorg
04-16-2015, 11:59 AM
So they were absolutely robbed of everything?

Yes, many have lost everything: house, property, money etc. In Russia, it was hard to survive.

Vorg
04-16-2015, 12:18 PM
February 12, 1990, Monday. A few minutes ago ended working day. I run with my wife on the street. Rush hour, but the street completely deserted - no cars on the pavement, no passer-by on the sidewalk. Behind us, a kilometer away from us was Lenin Avenue, at which to the side Station, crushing and sweeping away everything in its path, there was a huge crowd, who lost his mind. At any moment they will come into the intersection and no one knows in which direction will move. We must hurry - at home (do not know whether they were there) are there teenage daughter and son - a student of the university of Kiev, who a few days ago arrived unsuccessfully for the holidays. Fear for them customize us, and we are running struggles. After running a few miles, we sigh with relief. Children were at home. A section of the road the next day at the textile mill turned into hell. Gang of Islamic fundamentalists blocked the highway. Coming from both sides of buses and trolleybuses they dragged Russian women and raped here at bus stops and on the football field beside the road, the men were severely beaten. Anti-Russian pogroms swept across the city. "Tajikistan is for Tajiks!" And "Russians, get out in their Russia!" - The main slogans of the rioters. They killed the Russians, robbed and raped even in their own homes. Not spared and children. Such fanaticism, Tajikistan has not yet seen. City and national authorities confused. But the townspeople seek out and find it. In the neighborhoods were formed self-defense units, and in the morning on February 15 the whole city came out to the streets. Human chains girded border districts. Get tough resistance in several areas of the city, the bandits do not dare to attack. And riots stopped. " ("Long Way to Russia")

Learning_Genetics
04-16-2015, 02:12 PM
Sadly we don't hear about that in the UK. We only know that the USSR collapsed in 1991 but rarely do we learn about what the consequences were for the peoples of the former Soviet Union.

Jehan
10-23-2016, 07:01 PM
I up the thread.

The recent death of the uzbekistan leader might put the region under the light. Islam Karimov successfully block any try of islamists to grow in the country. But now he is gone, things can change.

What do you think, does islamists will use the situation to implement a rebellion in uzbekistan?

knowledge is king
10-23-2016, 09:46 PM
There is a people overseas who interested to destabilize that whole region.
But religious islamist by themself specifically dont have revolutionary intensions.

The main figures behind new conflict would be either from russian or american side.

StonyArabia
10-26-2016, 04:16 AM
Turks have nothing to do with them, at least racially and genetically.


There is a people overseas who interested to destabilize that whole region.
But religious islamist by themself specifically dont have revolutionary intensions.

The main figures behind new conflict would be either from russian or american side.

For resources

Jehan
10-29-2016, 08:35 AM
For resources

I really don't think central asia has ressource worth to make a war for. You can get cheaper one in many other part of the world.

The true reasons of any destabilization of central asia will be:

* religious fanatism from islam, support by wealthy arabs

* US/NATO who wants to put shit in a russian sphere of influence to destabilyze russia by a domino effect.

Böri
10-29-2016, 12:33 PM
40 years ago when people discussed politics in Turkey, Commies said to Türks that history is in their side and Soviets will definitely win, they will create new humanoid form known as Homo Sovieticus and nothing can stop. Non-commie Türks said them that Bolshevism will fail, USSR will fall apart, there are enslaved Türks in the USSR who will gain freedom. Now when you look at the map it seems that History was in the side of anyone but Communists. Soviets in the end of the day just prepared morally millions of East Euro people to work as escorting people and sex sellers after 1989. It's sad how in the embryo process millions of people died against Tsar army, Nazis but this is the real result sadly. One big lost.

wvwvw
10-29-2016, 12:44 PM
Central Asia are all the -stans including Afganistan.

Böri
10-29-2016, 12:51 PM
Central Asia are all the -stans including Afganistan.

Iranism It will hopefully change. Kazakhs plan on changing to Kazakhia

knowledge is king
11-02-2016, 02:43 PM
I really don't think central asia has ressource worth to make a war for. You can get cheaper one in many other part of the world.

The true reasons of any destabilization of central asia will be:

* religious fanatism from islam, support by wealthy arabs

* US/NATO who wants to put shit in a russian sphere of influence to destabilyze russia by a domino effect.

The third reason.

Russian officials in kremlin in case they would lose influence over that region.
It happened in the past already.

What do you think, who was the real figures behind kyrgyz revolution of 2010?
It was the Putin and his imperialist gang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyz_Revolution_of_2010

Myanthropologies
11-03-2016, 07:00 AM
Iranism It will hopefully change. Kazakhs plan on changing to Kazakhia

Central Asia is Iranic homeland, our heritage is Iranian. They aren't going to change.

Myanthropologies
11-03-2016, 07:03 AM
Turks have nothing to do with them, at least racially and genetically.

Turkish people are in between Turkmens and Greeks, of course they have something to do with Turks in central asia racially.

knowledge is king
01-05-2017, 01:54 PM
Appearance of Uzbek Woman in 14 regions of Uzbekistan



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXnvYzkt1Tw

Odin
06-22-2019, 01:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfT1v5mH3L8