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European Knight
04-11-2015, 11:47 PM
http://rekordeast.co.za/afp/?afp-story-id=62560

The Islamic State group on Saturday released a video that shows militants smashing artefacts at the ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud in northern Iraq before blowing up the site.

by Karim Abou Merhi Baghdad (AFP) | 11 April 2015 20:54

The undated video suggests that the site, on the Tigris river about 30 kilometres (18 miles) southeast of Mosul, was completely levelled.

Destruction at the site was reported more than a month ago but the extent of the damage was unclear at the time.

“Whenever we are able in a piece of land to remove the signs of idolatry and spread monotheism, we will do it,” one militant says at the end of the video.

Militants can be seen rigging large barrels filled with powder in a room whose walls are lined with imposing gypsum slabs, beautifully carved with representations of Assyrian deities.

The ensuing footage shows a massive explosion that sends a huge mushroom of brown dust into the sky.

http://i.imgur.com/Ex4KH2x.png
Earlier, IS militants are seen hacking away at the relief and statues with sledgehammers. One is shown sitting on the slabs and carving them up with an angle grinder.

“God has honoured us in the state of Islam by removing and destroying everything that was held to be equal to him and worshipped without him,” one militant says, speaking to camera.

“Here we are, thanks to God, as you see, removing every statue that was made to be equal to God.”

In the jihadists’ extreme interpretation of Islam, statues, idols and shrines amount to recognising objects of worship other than God and must be destroyed.

- ‘Jewel of Assyria’ -

According to antiquities specialists, IS relies on trafficking as source of financing and only destroys the pieces that are impossible to sell or transport.

http://i.imgur.com/toqo3Ix.png

The ruins of the city founded in the 13th century BC were one of the most famous archaeological sites in a country often described as the cradle of civilisation.

Nimrud, which is on UNESCO’s tentative list of world heritage sites, is the later Arab name given to a settlement which was originally called Kalhu.

The ancient city was first described in 1820 and plundered by Western explorers and officials over subsequent decades. It was also looted and damaged during the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq.

The bulldozing that took place at the Nimrud site in early March came days after another video was released showing IS militants destroying artefacts at the Mosul museum.

That attack sparked widespread consternation and alarm, with some archaeologists and heritage experts comparing it with the 2001 demolition of the Bamiyan Buddhas in Afghanistan by the Taliban.

- War crime -

The first militant seen talking in the video criticises the international community over its reaction to IS’ destruction of statues and artefacts.

He mentions media coverage showing “worthless people crying because we broke idols” and “portraying believers as if they were barbarians who do not care about culture and

http://i.imgur.com/FgCViOI.png

UNESCO and other organisations have called for an urgent global mobilisation to save what could still be saved from the jihadists but experts agree little can be done short of a ground operation to retake land under IS control.

The UN cultural agency’s chief, Irina Bokova, had said in early March that the bulldozing at Nimrud amounted to a war crime.

She travelled to Baghdad on March 28 to step up measures aimed at protecting heritage, such as carrying out inventories and using satellite imaging and remote sensing.

In Saturday’s video, an IS militant vows the group will press on with its campaign against heritage sites.

“I swear to God, we will remove the signs of idolatry until we destroy the shrines and the graves of the Rafidha (a derogatory term for Shiites) in their own heartland, break the crosses and destroy the black house in the heartland of infidels, America,” he said, referring to the White House.

IS released another video on April 3 in which militants are seen damaging artefacts at Hatra, a well-preserved city with a unique mix of eastern and western architecture, located in a desert area southwest of Mosul.

http://rekordeast.co.za/wp-content/uploads/sites/110/2015/04/7bac3a2fcbb06f544b7159a76eb73eaa1b6bcacf.jpg?87dcd f

Elms
04-12-2015, 07:08 AM
You're wasting your time. Europeans don't care/won't do anything and Muslim Middle Easterners are happy it's happening. We'll see what happens when karma comes to bite them both in their asses.

Wadaad
04-12-2015, 07:12 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jan/15/iraq.arts1

Where was your outrage then? Wanton destruction is worse than deliberate.

Elms
04-12-2015, 07:19 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jan/15/iraq.arts1

Where was your outrage then? Wanton destruction is worse than deliberate.

That's still my people's history, not "Iraq's" and it's upsetting of course, but with what we've endured and lost, that is minimal. Babylon still stands, while Nimrod and Dur-Sharrukin(Khorsabad) do not.

Of course, you being either a Muslim and/or being from a Muslim background, you feel the need to point out the problems the West has caused, while negating the majority of the problems caused by Arabs/Kurds/Turks/Muslims.

Dylan
04-12-2015, 07:23 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jan/15/iraq.arts1

Where was your outrage then? Wanton destruction is worse than deliberate.

good point^
As for me, as someone who loves history, I cringe when any ancient relic is destroyed whether deliberate, accidental, or as collateral damage.

zhaoyun
04-12-2015, 07:24 AM
I heard most of these were replicas though, the originals are in Baghdad safe and sound.

Elms
04-12-2015, 07:26 AM
I heard most of these were replicas though, the originals are in Baghdad safe and sound.

No, the replicas that were destroyed were from the museum in Mosul. This was actually one of our ancient city ruins that they destroyed.

Wadaad
04-12-2015, 07:26 AM
That's still my people's history, not "Iraq's" and it's upsetting of course, but with what we've endured and lost, that is minimal. Babylon still stands, while Nimrod and Dur-Sharrukin(Khorsabad) do not.

Of course, you being either a Muslim and/or being from a Muslim background, you feel the need to point out the problems the West has caused, while negating the majority of the problems caused by Arabs/Kurds/Turks/Muslims.

It is as much your people's history as an Iraqi member of ISIS who happily participates in destroying them.

That is, unless you speak Akkadian and worship Marduk, Ishtar, etc...then you might have a precedence in claiming them.

Elms
04-12-2015, 07:31 AM
It is as much your people's history as an Iraqi member of ISIS who happily participates in destroying them.

That is, unless you speak Akkadian and worship Marduk, Ishtar, etc...then you might have a precedence in claiming them.

I'm not going to waste my time replying to comments from an obvious troll. My dialect of Aramaic has an Akkadian substratum, which is good enough. Also, some older influence from Sumerian, which is beside the point. I don't need to worship some pretend gods to lay claim to what my ancestors built. Muslims can continue to destroy their own mosques, like they've been doing in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Syria.

adsız
04-12-2015, 07:44 AM
What damage ISIS is doing to the ancient heritage is nothing comparing to the damage by western jets and western thieves stole from The ME and Anatolia.

Pergamon Altar of Bergama/Turkey is one of the sites Germans stole and transferred to Berlin.
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/3294560.jpg
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/45913/altare_di_pergamo.jpg

You all must also be aware of the stolen Babylon sculptures by American soldiers during Gulf War.

Wadaad
04-12-2015, 07:44 AM
I'm not going to waste my time replying to comments from an obvious troll. My dialect of Aramaic has an Akkadian substratum, which is good enough. Also, some older influence from Sumerian, which is beside the point. I don't need to worship some pretend gods to lay claim to what my ancestors built. Muslims can continue to destroy their own mosques, like they've been doing in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Syria.

Obvious troll? My sentiments are valid...there is also a Aramaic substratum in Iraqi Arabic. (Arabic itself achieved its modern variant in al-Hirra, Iraq).

http://www.academia.edu/3782152/_Influences_of_Aramaic_on_dialectal_Arabic_in_Arch aism_and_Innovation_in_the_Semitic_Languages._Sele cted_papers

Your attempt at monopolizing a claim to Iraqi antiquities would be similar to a Coptic Egyptian claiming the pyramids and Sphynx for Copts over Muslim Egyptians.

Elms
04-12-2015, 08:07 AM
Obvious troll? My sentiments are valid...there is also a Aramaic substratum in Iraqi Arabic. (Arabic itself achieved its modern variant in al-Hirra, Iraq).

http://www.academia.edu/3782152/_Influences_of_Aramaic_on_dialectal_Arabic_in_Arch aism_and_Innovation_in_the_Semitic_Languages._Sele cted_papers

Your attempt at monopolizing a claim to Iraqi antiquities would be similar to a Coptic Egyptian claiming the pyramids and Sphynx for Copts over Muslim Egyptians.

Aramaic substratum does not equal an Akkadian one.

Egyptian Muslims and Copts are virtually the same people unlike Assyrians and Iraq/Syrian Arabs. Not the same situation. On top of that, there is no verified proof that Iraqis destroyed these sites. If anything, it's most likely some Saudi/Pakistani/Somali/Caucasian/Levantine Arab/North African, with a high emphasis on the latter three groups.

Anyway, I'm tired of discussing this. People are a disappointment, including yourself. Have a good night.

Elms
04-12-2015, 08:10 AM
What damage ISIS is doing to the ancient heritage is nothing comparing to the damage by western jets and western thieves stole from The ME and Anatolia.

Pergamon Altar of Bergama/Turkey is one of the sites Germans stole and transferred to Berlin.
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/3294560.jpg
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/45913/altare_di_pergamo.jpg

You all must also be aware of the stolen Babylon sculptures by American soldiers during Gulf War.

That's better than destroying it/leaving it to rot like the hundreds of Armenian towns in desolate condition because of the lack of care by your government. Maybe you guys need another Gezi Park incident. Your country is going to shit now, anywho.

Oh, and I almost forgot about the countless historical sites that your country has flooded building dams, like the one laying under the Ataturk Dam.

Skjaldemjøden
04-12-2015, 08:57 AM
My grandmother went to the Baghdad antiquities museum (predecessor of the national museum) on a school trip in the 1940's. She was very upset when it was looted in 2003. I'm also angered by the destruction of ancient artifacts, be it in Europe or elsewhere. One cannot change the past, but can always learn from it. Destroying the sculptures of Mesopotamian deities won't change the fact that they were once worshiped, only lessen our knowledge of that time and culture.

adsız
04-12-2015, 09:07 AM
That's better than destroying it/leaving it to rot like the hundreds of Armenian towns in desolate condition because of the lack of care by your government. Maybe you guys need another Gezi Park incident. Your country is going to shit now, anywho.

Oh, and I almost forgot about the countless historical sites that your country has flooded building dams, like the one laying under the Ataturk Dam.

You try to justify theft but nothing can justify it.
I think you are not a white american but probably a low Middle Easterner.

Elms
04-12-2015, 09:18 AM
You try to justify theft but nothing can justify it.
I think you are not a white american but probably a low Middle Easterner.

Wow! What an astute observation! What gave you the hint? Was it possibly me commenting on two Assyrian-related threads or that I said "I've missed you on ABF", you Turkified Armenian/Laz/Pontic Greek?

I forgot that you were so delusional. What are you, if not a Middle Easterner? Central Asian Turk lol? I can certainly tell you that I'm less culturally Middle Eastern than someone born and raised in "secular" Anatolia. Watch out, Erdogan and his Islamic neo-Ottomanism is a coming for yah!

If you still don't know who I am, I have lost faith in you brother adsiz. ;)

I wasn't justifying theft(although Germany was your country's ally during WWI, so maybe it's your own corrupt government's problem that that monument is now in Germany). It's always a shame, but don't pretend you actually care about Assyrian history being destroyed when you are clearly anti-Assyrian and endorse our destruction as a people, just like your failure of a country that is blocking Assyrians and Armenians from fleeing Iraq and Syria for Armenia and at the same time giving medical treatment to ISIS members. Soon enough, your country will become "Kurdistan" and Turkey will ultimately get what it deserves, just like multiple other Middle Eastern and European states.

adsız
04-12-2015, 09:27 AM
Wow! What an astute observation! What gave you the hint? Was it possibly me commenting on two Assyrian-related threads or that I said "I've missed you on ABF", you Turkified Armenian/Laz/Pontic Greek?

I forgot that you were so delusional. What are you, if not a Middle Easterner? Central Asian Turk lol? I can certainly tell you that I'm less culturally Middle Eastern than someone born and raised in "secular" Anatolia. Watch out, Erdogan and his Islamic neo-Ottomanism is a coming for yah!

If you still don't know who I am, I have lost faith in you brother adsiz. ;)

Turkish Nation will never leave the Teachings of Atatürk. terrorist kurdish PKK loving AKP and Erdogan will go soon. Do not worry.

I do not remember anyone with the name "elms". Sorry.

Edit: Germany stole ancient sites before WW1.
Germans are real thieves who stole not only sculptures and such but also Greek goldens.

Queen B
04-12-2015, 09:30 AM
Bastards.
They should rot.

Elms
04-12-2015, 09:39 AM
Turkish Nation will never leave the Teachings of Atatürk. terrorist kurdish PKK loving AKP and Erdogan will go soon. Do not worry.
We'll see what Erdogan does. His ideals are certainly clashing with Ataturk's. Maybe a civil war? Time will only tell.

Nah, Erdogan wasn't letting the PKK go into Syria to help Syrian Kurds, so I don't think he is as much pro-Kurdish/PKK as he is pro-Islam/neo-Ottomanism.


I do not remember anyone with the name "elms". Sorry.
The Apple... Hopefully, you remember me now. I'm Suryaniler/Ermeni.


Edit: Germany stole ancient sites before WW1.
Germans are real thieves who stole not only sculptures and such but also Greek goldens.
You're right, and so are the Brits and Frenchies. Still doesn't justify the way Muslim Middle Easterners(including Azeris and Turks) destroy/leave buildings to decay. Is one really better than the other? I think so, but I'm sure we have differing opinions on which one is.