Rare African (negroid) DNA Discovered in White aboriginal British Males

[Stears]

Rare African (negroid) DNA Discovered in White aboriginal British Males Postby Thereality » April 12th, 2015, 1:31 pm Rare DNA previously found only in people from West Africa has turned up in white males from northern England, a new study reports. The surprising discovery was made during a survey of genetic diversity in the United Kingdom based on the male Y chromosome.

THE FULL TEXT: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/01/070124-british-genes.html

[Bell Beaker]

lol

[Stears]

lol Of course a laughable proletarian latino wog boy knows better than the scientists....

[Bell Beaker]

Of course a laughable proletarian latino wog boy knows better than the scientists....

First im not "Latino".

Second, im just laughing at the results, i just think that's funny Brits having residual negroid ancestry.

Im not doubting about the results. :rolleyes:

[Stears]

First im not "Latino". Second, im just laughing at the results, i just think that's funny Brits having residual negroid ancestry. Im not doubting about the results. :rolleyes: I've always assumed that some brits have negroid ancestors, despite that they are lighter pigmented.

[Stears]

Just an example:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/13/article-1235520-05CE88260000044D-850_468x354.jpg

aboriginal british David James

[Stears]

so what you actually want to say is how hungaroids have more european DNA, am I rite!? A balkanite has really no right to write anything, when Europeans speak about genetics.

[Séamus]

Just an example:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/13/article-1235520-05CE88260000044D-850_468x354.jpg

aboriginal british David James

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/732/170/796.jpg

David James isn't "aboriginal British", he has recent African ancestry.

[Wadaad]

Must be a descendant of a Roman soldier from West Africa via Numidia. Since it was in Yorkshire (the roman center) it is definitely due to this. Rome brought Sudanids, Arabids, Armenoid and Saharid mercenaries to Britain.

[Stears]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/732/170/796.jpg David James isn't "aboriginal British", he has recent African ancestry. Wrong, he has clear celtic face. Wales and western coast of England, which is home of non-germanic latino look wogs. The Swarthy celtic look West english people are not really english, they have simply adopted the germanic language and identity.

[Séamus]

Wrong, he has clear celtic face. Wales and western coast of England, which is home of non-germanic latino look wogs. The Swarthy celtic look West english people are not really english, they have simply adopted the germanic language and identity.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/552/632/4f9.jpg

[Wadaad]

David James has obvious recent Caribbean ancestry...

[Stears]

If I were an absolute dictator of England, these people would have been considered as second class people. There would be separated bus services for the swarthy celtic look weird people of Eastern England, and other separated bus services for white germanic (real) English people..... Do you remember the habits of american bus services until the 1960s? :)))))))

[Stears]

Old Anglo-Saxon conquerors handled perfectly these savage people.

[Stears]

celtic heritage: monkey face: http://www.weirdworm.com/img/life/4-weirdest-stand-up-comedians/rowan-atkinson.jpg

[Wadaad]

The coach of Wales...Chris Coelman:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02114/chris-coleman_2114450b.jpg

I saw Moroccans with this look.

[Bell Beaker]

oh god..... :picard2:

[Wadaad]

oh god..... :picard2:

If not West African...then at the least, Celtiberian.

Remember, American mulattoes and Melungeons in 19th century who wanted to 'pass' as white used to claim portuguese ancestry. ;)

[Grace O'Malley]

Rare African (negroid) DNA Discovered in White aboriginal British Males Postby Thereality » April 12th, 2015, 1:31 pm Rare DNA previously found only in people from West Africa has turned up in white males from northern England, a new study reports. The surprising discovery was made during a survey of genetic diversity in the United Kingdom based on the male Y chromosome.

THE FULL TEXT: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/01/070124-british-genes.html

I've read this years ago. There is also some E1b1 (not sure of the clade) found in some Scots and it is around Hadrian's Wall. It is likely these are from the time of the Roman Empire and when Romans were in Britain. The Romans have mercenaries from all over the place. There is also a concentration of E1b1 in Northern Wales which could be from the same time period.

[Grace O'Malley]

celtic heritage: monkey face: http://www.weirdworm.com/img/life/4-weirdest-stand-up-comedians/rowan-atkinson.jpg

This is a Celt. :) Not a Sassenach. :rolleyes:

http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1995_Braveheart/995BVH_Brendan_Gleeson_002.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Anyway there are lots of people that have taken tests such as 23andMe that get quite a surprise.

[Shqipez]

David James has recent Jamaican ancestry :picard1:

[Stears]

Anyway there are lots of people that have taken tests such as 23andMe that get quite a surprise. Autosomal tests?

[Stears]

This is a Celt. :) Not a Sassenach. :rolleyes: http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1995_Braveheart/995BVH_Brendan_Gleeson_002.jpg But , do you agree that real English people are the descendants of germanic people (the originator of the language) who were literally nearly exterminated majority of this latino look celts?

[Shqipez]

I've read this years ago. There is also some E1b1 (not sure of the clade) found in some Scots and it is around Hadrian's Wall. It is likely these are from the time of the Roman Empire and when Romans were in Britain. The Romans have mercenaries from all over the place. There is also a concentration of E1b1 in Northern Wales which could be from the same time period.

You're talking about EV-13. Some proposed it was from Illyrian soldiers, but It could also be from Romans from Italy themselves who most likely also carried EV-13. It could of also gotten there way before.

[Grace O'Malley]

Autosomal tests?

Yes but if you are a male they do your mt-dna and y-dna as well. These Englishmen would not likely show any autosomal African dna now as it was so long ago but plenty of people get y-dna and mt-dna results that are not what they thought. Some white people get African ydna or mtdna.

[Shqipez]

The coach of Wales...Chris Coelman:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02114/chris-coleman_2114450b.jpg

I saw Moroccans with this look.

Wales has pretty high rates of Meds compared to the rest of West Europe.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/131129133047-ryan-giggs-40-horizontal-gallery.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

But , do you agree that real English people are the descendants of germanic people (the originator of the language) who were literally nearly exterminated majority of this latino look celts?

Most Celts don't look latino. Irish Celts cluster more north than the Anglo-Saxon English. Anyway I don't want to get into a discussion about who is lighter and who is darker as it's a bit silly. Group photos will show what populations look like.

[Grace O'Malley]

Wales has pretty high rates of Meds compared to the rest of West Europe. So do an Irish minority.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/131129133047-ryan-giggs-40-horizontal-gallery.jpg

As does every country. It's a bit pointless because you have to look at the majority look not cherry pick certain looks. Anyway that looks like Ryan Giggs who has recent African ancestry so hardly a credible way of showing what a population looks like.

[Stears]

Most Celts don't look latino. Irish Celts cluster more north than the Anglo-Saxon English. Anyway I don't want to get into a discussion about who is lighter and who is darker as it's a bit silly. Group photos will show what populations look like.
Most English people are medium pigmented. This is my personal certitude

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/cardiff-city.jpg http://www.pri.org/sites/default/files/story/images/RTX12W4W.jpg https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1009329_10151528343238505_883451985_o.jpg http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/416769/tottenham-hotspur-fans-ignored-warnings-not-chant-yid-pic-reuters.jpg

[Bagot]

I've read this years ago. There is also some E1b1 (not sure of the clade) found in some Scots and it is around Hadrian's Wall. It is likely these are from the time of the Roman Empire and when Romans were in Britain. The Romans have mercenaries from all over the place. There is also a concentration of E1b1 in Northern Wales which could be from the same time period.

"Nowadays E1b1b is the only Mediterranean haplogroup consistently found throughout Europe, even in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Baltic countries".

I guess that E1b1b has little to do with Romans.

[Grace O'Malley]

"Nowadays E1b1b is the only Mediterranean haplogroup consistently found throughout Europe, even in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Baltic countries".

I guess that E1b1b has little to do with Romans.

I think it is because it is in only very small pockets and localised in places in Britain. The vast majority of ydna is R1b-L21, some U106 and R1a. It is a very small percentage and extremely rare in Ireland so the Romans have been postulated as one of the possible sources.

[Lusos]

If not West African...then at the least, Celtiberian.

Remember, American mulattoes and Melungeons in 19th century who wanted to 'pass' as white used to claim portuguese ancestry. ;)

They couldn't claim Somalian for that purpose as it is obvious.

[dawson]

old stuff

[Carignan]

This is a Celt. :) Not a Sassenach. :rolleyes:

I have been hearing that word a lot in Outlander. It means stranger. You are of Irish, but you used that word, which is Scottish. Is Sassenach a word common
to both Scottish and Irish Gaelic?

[Smeagol]

This is old, from 2007. Probably descendant of some nigger the Romans brought into Britain.

[Dylan]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02354/dj_2354341b.jpg
An aboriginal British according to Stears. David James everybody!

[Smeagol]

The finding suggests that black people have contributed to the "indigenous" British gene pool
:rolleyes: Lol.

[Not a Cop]

I think it is because it is in only very small pockets and localised in places in Britain. The vast majority of ydna is R1b-L21, some U106 and R1a. It is a very small percentage and extremely rare in Ireland so the Romans have been postulated as one of the possible sources.

IMO Angolo-Saxon invasion is much more credible sourse of E1b.

[SupaThug]

Drops of african blood in brits does not lowers your amount of asiatic blood :thumbs up

[Gaston]

Old story and a lot of confusion.

Two possibilities:
- more likely recent West African ancestry (last 500 years or so)
- or more ancient mediterranean presence of a very divergent African lineage (Sardinians for instance have old y-dna A3b2).


I've read this years ago. There is also some E1b1 (not sure of the clade) found in some Scots and it is around Hadrian's Wall. It is likely these are from the time of the Roman Empire and when Romans were in Britain. The Romans have mercenaries from all over the place. There is also a concentration of E1b1 in Northern Wales which could be from the same time period.

No, E1b1 dates back to the Neolithic and is probably older in the British Isles than R1b. Most E1b are probably more recent but R1b isn't more native than E1b because there is a clear bottleneck in the Isles.


Must be a descendant of a Roman soldier from West Africa via Numidia. Since it was in Yorkshire (the roman center) it is definitely due to this. Rome brought Sudanids, Arabids, Armenoid and Saharid mercenaries to Britain.

Very unlikely. There was barely any contact butween Numidia and West Africa.

[Grace O'Malley]

I have been hearing that word a lot in Outlander. It means stranger. You are of Irish, but you used that word, which is Scottish. Is Sassenach a word common
to both Scottish and Irish Gaelic?

It is Irish and Scottish. The Irish and Scottish speak Gaelic. Gaelic was brought to Scotland by the Irish so it was mostly spoken in the Highlands and western Scotland as well as Ireland.

Definition of SASSENACH

: a typical Englishman or something considered typical of England —often used disparagingly by Scots and Irish <a dreadful Sassenach concoction — I. A. Bremner>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sassenach

[Hevo]

IMO Angolo-Saxon invasion is much more credible sourse of E1b.

Really? Why?

[Learning_Genetics]

Why is this news sensational?

It is old news as well.

I thought people knew about it years ago?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

IMO Angolo-Saxon invasion is much more credible sourse of E1b.

wat

[Stears]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02354/dj_2354341b.jpg An aboriginal British according to Stears. David James everybody! I spoke about swarthy Western coastal (celtic latino-look) "English", who are not real English people.

[Dylan]

I spoke about swarthy Western coastal (celtic latino-look) "English", who are not real English people.

I understand, I just thought it was funny that you cited David James because he's so obviously black in every photo apart from the one you provided. There are a lot of Welsh people who have an Iberian element to their looks, at least I have been told so. But I don't know about English.

[Not a Cop]

Really? Why?

Cause Germany has noticeble amount of it, ofc not so much in German part, but Saxons also moved trough Benelux, in southern parts of which it's also common.

[Graham]

I have been hearing that word a lot in Outlander. It means stranger. You are of Irish, but you used that word, which is Scottish. Is Sassenach a word common
to both Scottish and Irish Gaelic?

You know, the British tv companies refused to show that programme for political reasons. ;) We havent had it shown in Scotland.

It means Saxon.

[Black Wolf]

Must be a descendant of a Roman soldier from West Africa via Numidia. Since it was in Yorkshire (the roman center) it is definitely due to this. Rome brought Sudanids, Arabids, Armenoid and Saharid mercenaries to Britain.

Yes could have been from either ancient soldiers or slaves. Soldiers of course have a better chance overall at procreating than slaves do.

[Gaston]

^ They didn't need to import slaves since an important part of the natives WERE slaves, a fortiori in a less romanized/civilized part of the Empire that Britannia was.


Cause Germany has noticeble amount of it, ofc not so much in German part, but Saxons also moved trough Benelux, in southern parts of which it's also common.

The other reason would be continental people are less subject to bottleneck and are thus more likely to harbour lineages previously extinct in the British Isles.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

The other reason would be continental people are less subject to bottleneck and are thus more likely to harbour lineages previously extinct in the British Isles.

:rolleyes:

That's why they are LESS likely.


Cause Germany has noticeble amount of it, ofc not so much in German part, but Saxons also moved trough Benelux, in southern parts of which it's also common.

Sorry, these are just some insane delusions.

The e1b in UK is very concentrated in specific areas. If it came from saxons it would be spread all over. And it's a huge LOL to think saxons had this in their DNA. Ethnic tribes didn't just 'pick up' DNA, blending only came through empires and nation states, and the phenotypes of areas with e1b in them are completely different from those of saxons. And the 'german' e1b in austria is all concentrated IN THE SOUTH in some swarthy folk. NOT IN BLOND HAIRED BLUE EYED NW GERMANS.

[Carignan]

You know, the British tv companies refused to show that programme for political reasons. ;) We havent had it shown in Scotland.

It means Saxon.

Have you watched it in streaming? It is pretty good, it has romance and fighting. I would understand why it is banned in Scotland, the Redcoats are depicted as the worst bastards on Earth; raping, killing and whipping everybody. The characters are quite patriotic and even the English character starts to hate the Redcoats. It is Pro-Scottish Propaganda. Free Scotland! This show has boosted my opinion of the Scots. The Scottish Highlanders are quite awesome. I propose a fight between the Gheg and the Scottish Highlanders to determine who's the best!

[Graham]

Have you watched it in streaming? It is pretty good, it has romance and fighting. I would understand why it is banned in Scotland, the Redcoats are depicted as the worst bastards on Earth; raping, killing and whipping everybody. The characters are quite patriotic and even the English character starts to hate the Redcoats. It is Pro-Scottish Propaganda. Free Scotland! This show has boosted my opinion of the Scots. The Scottish Highlanders are quite awesome. I propose a fight between the Gheg and the Scottish Highlanders to determine who's the best!

nah. I haven't even seen highlander never mind Outlander. :P

I know what it's about though. Jacobite history and Scots history is cool enough, to look into.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Allan-highlandwedding1780.jpghttp://ichef.bbci.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/images/paintings/raa/large/wmr_raa_pl000154_large.jpg

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

celtic heritage: monkey face: http://www.weirdworm.com/img/life/4-weirdest-stand-up-comedians/rowan-atkinson.jpg

Then why are the Irish so pale looking if celtic = swarthy?

[SupaThug]

Then why are the Irish so pale looking if celtic = swarthy?

Because irish people are not pure celts!

[LightHouse89]

more bullshit from jews in London.

how many social constructs does it require to create pseudo science?

[LightHouse89]

Yes could have been from either ancient soldiers or slaves. Soldiers of course have a better chance overall at procreating than slaves do.

most of the legions in Britain came from Gaul.

[StonyArabia]

Some Black guy who was brought to the Romans, married a British lady, and then his sons married British ladies and so on and so forth, that his descendant now looks British and has only the Y-DNA of his ancestor it's not uncommon for this to happen.

[LightHouse89]

Some Black guy who was brought to the Romans, married a British lady, and then his sons married British ladies and so on and so forth, that his descendant now looks British and has only the Y-DNA of his ancestor it's not uncommon for this to happen.

where in history can we find proof of this? No where. Northern England wasn't even under full roman control. That was the widl west for the romans even though they had garrisons up that way it was hardly populated. so where did the negroes come from?

I bet that 'dna' is archaic not modern or from roman times.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Because irish people are not pure celts!

What else are they? You are inferring Celtic people are really swarthy like Rowan Atkinson?? You agree with Stears on this??

[Sockorer]

It would really suck to find out you had an African yDNA, more I and R haplogroup privilege.

[Empecinado]

Most likely a slave coming from the Atlantic slave trade that ended up there.

[SupaThug]

What else are they? You are inferring Celtic people are really swarthy like Rowan Atkinson?? You agree with Stears on this??

I believe the irish might have some norse blood.

[Shqipez]

As does every country. It's a bit pointless because you have to look at the majority look not cherry pick certain looks. Anyway that looks like Ryan Giggs who has recent African ancestry so hardly a credible way of showing what a population looks like.

I didn't cherry pick, I saw map of med percentage spread across europe, and it's of course the highest in the south europe. but its also higher in wales compared to rest of west europe. Ryan Giggs was just an example, and where is your source that he has recent Africano ancestry? xD

People like you are delusional who think whole Europe must be blond and blue eyed. You need a check with reality xD

[Sikeliot]

Ryan Giggs was just an example, and where is your source that he has recent Africano ancestry? xD


His grandfather is from Benin.

[Shqipez]

What else are they? You are inferring Celtic people are really swarthy like Rowan Atkinson?? You agree with Stears on this??

A mix of both might be true.

[Shqipez]

His grandfather is from Benin.

That's correct :)

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Most likely a slave coming from the Atlantic slave trade that ended up there.

Not really possible without some visible signs of it.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I believe the irish might have some norse blood.

If r1b = celtic, then Irish are about as close to pure celtic as it gets. If it's not then original celts are nothing to do with them. Either way rowan atkinson is some strange anomaly for britain. If r1b were associated with guys like him everyone would be like that in ireland. Most of the dark hair and brown eyes in britain (and bad teeth) comes from the last few centuries. But some of it goes back a long time, too.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I believe the irish might have some norse blood.

Yeah well, the Scots have more Norse blood in them than the Irish....so Irish are more Celtic and thus more swarthy according to Stears, but this can't be true, they are the most pale people in Europe

[Grace O'Malley]

I didn't cherry pick, I saw map of med percentage spread across europe, and it's of course the highest in the south europe. but its also higher in wales compared to rest of west europe. Ryan Giggs was just an example, and where is your source that he has recent Africano ancestry? xD

People like you are delusional who think whole Europe must be blond and blue eyed. You need a check with reality xD

Just because I said that Ryan Giggs has African ancestry doesn't mean I'm delusional. He does have recent African ancestry. I don't go around saying the whole of Europe is blond and blue eyed. It's annoying when people put words in your mouth that you have never said. People should post representative people and the darkness of the Welsh is so exaggerated on Anthro forums it's a bit of a joke.

Chris Coleman and Ryan Giggs are definitely not representative of the average Welshman and I'm sure you realise that. People need to pick many group photos to get any idea of what the average population looks like otherwise it is of course cherry picking.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I didn't cherry pick, I saw map of med percentage spread across europe, and it's of course the highest in the south europe. but its also higher in wales compared to rest of west europe. Ryan Giggs was just an example, and where is your source that he has recent Africano ancestry? xD

People like you are delusional who think whole Europe must be blond and blue eyed. You need a check with reality xD

Here we go again.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Mediterranean-admixture.gif

Med component centers in europe and spreads from there. It is megalithic DNA, completely native to europe and associated with I y-dna. Nothing to do with swarthy folk in any way, shape or form.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?164924-Europe-has-no-purity&highlight=europe+purity


http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Mediterranean-admixture.gif

There's a simple explanation - swarthy folk LOVE lying. Anyone honest who looked at this 'medditerranean' map would conclude it poured out of europe into the areas around it.

Essentially, this is 'true southern european' aka megalithic mix we are looking at. This neolithic is highly associated with sardinia AND WITH I Y-DNA CLADE, which is unambiguously whitey white man clade.

Don't believe it? Compare the spread of I y-dna to that map.

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_I2a.gif

Hey what a coinkidink, this mediterranean component has a spread almost exactly like this I2b y-dna. So I guess that means I y-dna comes from middle east? LOLOL.

According to the swarthy man's delusions/lies, the formation of evil white people is as follows:

1. Middle easterners came to south europe from levant, left NO TRACE of themselves in that area once they left, then spread out in such a fashion as though it looks like they actually spreaf out from balkans. They spoke semitic languages no doubt, as well.
2. In near-historic times, proto-celts swept out of russia and again left almost zero trace of themselves in their former homeland. This is where r1b comes from. Moreover, they did it in such a way that the MTDNA of locals remained exactly the same after they came!
3. EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH HAS BEEN IN THEIR CURRENT LOCATION SINCE THEY ARRIVED FROM AFRICA. Which is another hilarious joke in and of itself. Just look at wikipedia: indigenous people of europe = everyone but whites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Indigenous_peoples_of_Europe.


Of course the reality is that celts are historically far and away the most oppressed people in history, who suffered 2/3 genocide followed by two more waves of genocide, slavery, and thousands of years of being invaded by romans, germanics, muslims, huns and even middle eastern cannibals.


The reality is that aside from greece the ONLY truly middle eastern incursion into europe in the neolithic is the LBK, which has arachaeology to show it coming from the SE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBK

This was a lovely culture full of cannibals who hunted down their neighbors for hundreds of miles in every direction, and ate them. This rich and precious indigenous culture was finally interrupted by the ebul white man around them, who almost completely wiped them off the face of the earth. Another noble people laid low by the white man.

By contrast to I y-dna of the neolithic that obviously came from natives of europe, here are the middle eastern clades.

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-M123.gif

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-T.gif

These do show up in europe a bit but at pretty low levels. Especially in northern europe where they are basically nonexistent. T and E y-dna both show up in LBK. LBK has some european and megalithic mtdna. It's pretty obvious that these guys came and conquered a bit of europe, ran into the proto germans and got wiped off the map for good.

Since I have this conversation a lot with Longbowman regarding "what is european/caucasian/whitey" I'll refer back to the y-dna philology, back to page one of genetics.

http://i.imgur.com/OBJqvAH.jpg

Swarthy folk and asiatics have y-dna clades of A-E. These are considered african, east asian, or south asian or middle eastern in origin. There are several theories about E, some place it as north africa, others middle eastern or even Indian in origin. K is found in greece a lot, which was part of the gravettian, which likely implies this is where IJK split off. With J going south, and I north and west.

Left - Swarty and/or asian in origin. Right - evil white mans. So yes there's some slight non-europe mix in most of europe, and there's a great deal of it in parts of southern europe, but basically on average people who look pure white, are. Most of this came with Rome and the muslim invasion of iberia, with only a small level of swarthy clades that obviously go back a long time.


It's unclear how much and when J swarthed up compared to the I clades, but there's now a lot of J in east africa for example, and it may have weathered the ice age there. They started the same as I but obviously swarthed up and mixed with both asiatic and african groups over time.


G is sometimes hilariously called middleeastern as well. However, the famously blond-haired, blue-eyed Alans had G y-dna so do the natives of Switzerland (true alpinids). G doesn't imply every member is blond haired and blue eyed but certainly there is zero evidence to give G a middle eastern origin or claim it's mixed with non-caucasoids.

In historical times most caucasoids have mixed up and browned up, but originally speaking they would have been very "european" even if the coloring was not necessarily northern european.

So the swarty man's lies say that europeanness doesn't exist. The reality is that the poles of race are whites, east asians, and blacks. Everyone else is just a mix of these groups, with minor regional variations all over.

That is what our eyeballs tell us, that's what genetics show, that is what archaeology shows. All these mythical migrations have zero evidence in archaeology, they are just suppositions.

Earliest known farming sites are all in europe, and european genetics all radiate out from europe. The obvious reality, is actually reality.

But let's suppose the obvious is NOT true. Ok, so...WHO LIVED IN EUROPE BEFORE NEOLITHIC? WHERE DID THEY FUCKING GO?!?!?

Here's where it all completely falls apart (as if it wasn't completely contradictory already). Europe has been continuously inhabited for 800k years or so. Iberia was heavily inhabited (for the time) during ice age. It was a perfect climate for hunting and gathering.

The initial (and correct) theories on r1b y-dna say that it formed during the iberian refugeum and spread out from there as the ice age ended. Which makes perfect sense given where it lies today. Logically the same thing happened for I clade in Greece and/or Italy. Which again makes perfect sense for where it lies now. They both diffused out since the ice age.

If instead it was I y-dna clade that represents original Iberia, then it is truly bizarre that it is now virtually gone from the area, and has moved out so it runs in a line NW-SE in europe, and also has reached as far as pakistan while almost disappearing in its homeland. It would also be extremely odd that I is so totally separated from its brother clade J which is now in arabia and east africa.

How did they get to Iberia and Arabia and yet miss most of the in between areas?!?! This alone is enough to show guys like Maciamo are utterly full of shit, since he has pushed this ludicrous idea for so long.

Recently, swarty fantasists like Longbowman and the retarded guy from eupedia recently tried to push the idea that e1b is the ORIGINAL TRU EUROPEZ CLADE. Somehow, it managed to keep from ever expanding north when the ice age ended, then it spread to the middle east and north africa where it somehow gained higher concentrations that its original true iberian origin.

That's right, europe's original inhabitants are black jewish vikings who invented everything, whites are evil albinos who are half middle eastern and half pakistani. Nevermind that the 'cromag' type is distinctly european in origin and look, and very common component in europeans today but virtually doesn't exist elsewhere.

Or maybe everyone just died in Iberia. Ha, doubtful. This was probably the largest eurasian population west of India during the LGM.

Even if any of this crap were true, it just points out the obvious that middle east used to be more like Europe. But it's not true in any way, shape or form. It's not even really debateable, there's just no evidence provided for it, no argument to rebuke. It's just true "because". In short it's propaganda.

Neolithic didn't come west, and fail to go east. north etc. that's just ludicrous. THERE WAS NO NEOLITHIC IN ANATOLIA FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AFTER IT WAS IN EUROPE. IT HAS NOT EVER BEEN FOUND!

Don't believe? Go read for yourself. http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2015/03/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about.html The carbon datings for every anatolian neolithic site is much newer than europe.

Hunter gatherers also didn't make megalithic buildings. That's like finding manhattan and attributing it to hunter gatherers. Obviously there was farming and ranching by that time, and indeed, now domesticated wheat has been found even in Britain 8k years ago, one of the last places in europe to get farming. Which is also the exact same time megalithic culture came to Britain!

[NorthernSunChild]

Nat Geographic is an MSM rag and its emphasis on this story is simply to further push the UN backed genocidally maniacal mass miscegenation agenda with the usual emphasis on deconstructing white identity anywhere.

Anyway, likeWadaad stated, the Romans did bring soldiers from all over the Roman empire with them on invading Britain on two occasions with Julius Caesar and then Caligula. Supposedly, on Claudius' invasion, black Numidian spearmen were used, which frightened the hell out of the Celts because they were believed to be demons summoned from the Otherworld. (I can just imagine Marxist prick professors tut-tutting at those racist early Brits who had the temerity to defend themselves from the invading Romans.)

The thing is, does a tiny trace of African DNA in the gene pool suddenly render European identity null and void? Of course, not. Like I stated, the Celts were resisting the Roman invasion and anything that came with it.

[LightHouse89]

Nat Geographic is an MSM rag and its emphasis on this story is simply to further push the UN backed genocidally maniacal mass miscegenation agenda with the usual emphasis on deconstructing white identity anywhere.

Anyway, likeWadaad stated, the Romans did bring soldiers from all over the Roman empire with them on invading Britain on two occasions with Julius Caesar and then Caligula. Supposedly, on Claudius' invasion, black Numidian spearmen were used, which frightened the hell out of the Celts because they were believed to be demons summoned from the Otherworld. (I can just imagine Marxist prick professors tut-tutting at those racist early Brits who had the temerity to defend themselves from the invading Romans.)

The thing is, does a tiny trace of African DNA in the gene pool suddenly render European identity null and void? Of course, not. Like I stated, the Celts were resisting the Roman invasion and anything that came with it.

But dat be mad racist!

[NorthernSunChild]

I read the bit about the Numidian spearmen in the book by Robert Graves 'Claudius the God' - the sequel to the better known 'I, Claudius'. Technically, it's historical fiction but I've no doubt Graves, a Classics scholar, would only have included this because it was relevant to the success of the Romans' campaign at the time.

Numidia is in North Africa and so I highly doubt that Numidians were sub-Saharan Africans although perhaps the gene could have been relayed this way from expeditions south by the Numidians.

[Gaston]

Nat Geographic is an MSM rag and its emphasis on this story is simply to further push the UN backed genocidally maniacal mass miscegenation agenda with the usual emphasis on deconstructing white identity anywhere.

Anyway, likeWadaad stated, the Romans did bring soldiers from all over the Roman empire with them on invading Britain on two occasions with Julius Caesar and then Caligula. Supposedly, on Claudius' invasion, black Numidian spearmen were used, which frightened the hell out of the Celts because they were believed to be demons summoned from the Otherworld. (I can just imagine Marxist prick professors tut-tutting at those racist early Brits who had the temerity to defend themselves from the invading Romans.)

The thing is, does a tiny trace of African DNA in the gene pool suddenly render European identity null and void? Of course, not. Like I stated, the Celts were resisting the Roman invasion and anything that came with it.


Why do Brits nowadays think all of Africa is "black"? Is it because of the ever growing number of Afro-Caribbeans and Nigerians/Ghanaians? Do Brits try to make their minority (one of many) feel closer to the West by attributing their modern social construct to ancient civilizations of the Western world?

[XenophobicPrussian]

If r1b = celtic, then Irish are about as close to pure celtic as it gets. If it's not then original celts are nothing to do with them. Either way rowan atkinson is some strange anomaly for britain. If r1b were associated with guys like him everyone would be like that in ireland. Most of the dark hair and brown eyes in britain (and bad teeth) comes from the last few centuries. But some of it goes back a long time, too.
Any proof that dark features are recent to the British Isles while light features are older? I think most of the evidence points towards dark features on the British Isles being the oldest, otherwise Cornwall/Wales/West Ireland would be more light than the east, not the other way around. The Picts were even described almost as Pygmy-like(not African obviously, but so lacking in light hair/eyes compared to other Europeans). Light features likely came from the Anglo-Saxons, or earlier mainland Celtic Indo-European migrations that failed to genocide the darker natives as they did in the rest of northern Europe, which makes sense given how isolated the British Isles are. Watch the documentary Faces of Britain, it shows the darker volunteers had more "Celtic" ancestry and the lighter volunteers had more Anglo-Saxon ancestry, same goes for the UK regions. Red hair is a bit of a mystery though, given outside sources are unlikely since it pops up most frequently in the British Isles, mostly likely it evolved in some remote Scottish mountain region from the dark natives and wasn't able to spread out like blonde hair. Red hair also being frequent in the Urals could be explained by a mountain region similar to one in Scotland. Red hair coming from mainland Europe and certain regions of the UK being extremely sexually selective to it could be possible too, I suppose, but the most unlikely option. Ireland of course places very low in terms of light hair compared to other Northern Europeans in many light hair studies, although light eyes are high. Either way, Russel Brandoids are the closest to the British Isle Celts(not Celts as a whole, since the Celts did start in mainland Europe and Celtic is an IE language) and descendants of non-IE people who first got to the British Isles when the ice melted from Spain/North Africa before the Indo Europeans could, unless you have any information suggesting otherwise of course.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong or anything, I'm actually just curious if there's info that proves otherwise. Why are you so pro-Irish/Celtic anyway if you're a Trondelag? You also had that thread bragging about your IQ. Ireland has an average IQ of 94 which is 6 points lower than the average northern European country and comparable to Balkan countries. Irish people are also known for(well, obviously not by the average person, but by people who care about this kind of shit) chavism in the UK and redneck culture in the US. Again, just curious.

[One-Eyed King]

Anyone who takes this afrocentric bullshit seriously is a fucking retard.

[Yuffayur]

Must be a descendant of a Roman soldier from West Africa via Numidia. Since it was in Yorkshire (the roman center) it is definitely due to this. Rome brought Sudanids, Arabids, Armenoid and Saharid mercenaries to Britain.

West African soldier from (via) Numidia ?

[One-Eyed King]

Does anyone here genuinely believe that most British people are part Black, Just because of one study?

[Gaston]

Does anyone here genuinely believe that most British people are part Black, Just because of one study?

No. Everyone think Brits are ignorant because they don't know Western classical history and culture.

[Wadaad]

West African soldier from (via) Numidia ?

Where else do you suppose Romans had access to Sub Saharans? I can think of North Africa only.

[Yuffayur]

Where else do you suppose Romans had access to Sub Saharans? I can think of North Africa only.

I think of Nubia rather than Senegambia.

[Wadaad]

I think of Nubia rather than Senegambia.

I believe the Numidians had access to and interactions with SSA people (perhaps as far south as the Niger river)...but Nubia could also make sense, though Nubians are mostly e3b iirc

from the paper:


The uncommon DNA, a chromosome called hgA1, had previously been detected only in a region of West Africa that includes Mali, Senegal, and Guinea-Bissau, the team says (Africa map).

[Gaston]

I believe the Numidians had access to and interactions with SSA people (perhaps as far south as the Niger river)...but Nubia could also make sense, though Nubians are mostly e3b iirc

from the paper:

I don't think pre-camel NorthWest Africa had extensive interaction with West Africa, not to mention the roman limes was located quite north, not including central and Southern Morocco. The Roman Empire had much more extensive contacts with Nubia.

[Yuffayur]

I believe the Numidians had access to and interactions with SSA people (perhaps as far south as the Niger river)...but Nubia could also make sense, though Nubians are mostly e3b iirc

from the paper:

I haven't opened the paper that's why lol, Numidians had access to and direct contacts with Northern Sahara, and probably the Saharan people had contacts with West/Central Africans .
(Nubians are mainly A, B, E3b and J1 btw).

[Wadaad]

I don't think pre-camel NorthWest Africa had extensive interaction with West Africa, not to mention the roman limes was located quite north, not including central and Southern Morocco. The Roman Empire had much more extensive contacts with Nubia.

The Sahara was NOT as big a barrier as people make it out to be. Camels were present in NW Africa from Ptolemaic times if not earlier.

[Gaston]

The Sahara was NOT as big a barrier as people make it out to be. Camels were present in NW Africa from Ptolemaic times if not earlier.

It was. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a big genetic gap between North Africa and West Africa.

The use of camels began to be widespread during the Christian era in Nortwest Africa. In any case, whether the Sahara was a barrier or not, it makes no sense that a group of people from far away and outside the Roman territory would have ended up in the roman military and in a far away province where they had opportunities to breed with the locals.

There were no Indians and no Siberians in the Roman army, not even Finnic or Baltic people. I don't expect West Africans either.

[Neon Knight]

This Y-DNA (1% of a man's overall DNA) would not influence appearance, anyway, as far as I know. And the overall % of native British men who have it must be tiny. It's interesting though.

[LightHouse89]

As does every country. It's a bit pointless because you have to look at the majority look not cherry pick certain looks. Anyway that looks like Ryan Giggs who has recent African ancestry so hardly a credible way of showing what a population looks like.

These mixed race people should be sterilized.

[LightHouse89]

Why do Brits nowadays think all of Africa is "black"? Is it because of the ever growing number of Afro-Caribbeans and Nigerians/Ghanaians? Do Brits try to make their minority (one of many) feel closer to the West by attributing their modern social construct to ancient civilizations of the Western world?

If races are social constructs then so are nationalities, languages, ethnic groups ,religions etc...

I mean this is what stephen jay gould thought. I suppose in a world dominated by jewish intellectuals there isnt much room to disagree with them on this stuff. After all the only way to end racism and anti semitism is to discontinue the usuage of the word race in science. I mean we dont want to hurt other peoples feelings.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Must be a descendant of a Roman soldier from West Africa via Numidia. Since it was in Yorkshire (the roman center) it is definitely due to this. Rome brought Sudanids, Arabids, Armenoid and Saharid mercenaries to Britain.

ayy lmao

you said they brought 'Armenoids' do you mean they brought people from the Caucasus region? I'm curious because I have an atypically high amount of West Asian genetics and I know these genetics are most held in the Caucasus region, perhaps it is possible I descend from a Roman Armenian soldier...

[LightHouse89]

Any proof that dark features are recent to the British Isles while light features are older? I think most of the evidence points towards dark features on the British Isles being the oldest, otherwise Cornwall/Wales/West Ireland would be more light than the east, not the other way around. The Picts were even described almost as Pygmy-like(not African obviously, but so lacking in light hair/eyes compared to other Europeans). Light features likely came from the Anglo-Saxons, or earlier mainland Celtic Indo-European migrations that failed to genocide the darker natives as they did in the rest of northern Europe, which makes sense given how isolated the British Isles are. Watch the documentary Faces of Britain, it shows the darker volunteers had more "Celtic" ancestry and the lighter volunteers had more Anglo-Saxon ancestry, same goes for the UK regions. Red hair is a bit of a mystery though, given outside sources are unlikely since it pops up most frequently in the British Isles, mostly likely it evolved in some remote Scottish mountain region from the dark natives and wasn't able to spread out like blonde hair. Red hair also being frequent in the Urals could be explained by a mountain region similar to one in Scotland. Red hair coming from mainland Europe and certain regions of the UK being extremely sexually selective to it could be possible too, I suppose, but the most unlikely option. Ireland of course places very low in terms of light hair compared to other Northern Europeans in many light hair studies, although light eyes are high. Either way, Russel Brandoids are the closest to the British Isle Celts(not Celts as a whole, since the Celts did start in mainland Europe and Celtic is an IE language) and descendants of non-IE people who first got to the British Isles when the ice melted from Spain/North Africa before the Indo Europeans could, unless you have any information suggesting otherwise of course.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong or anything, I'm actually just curious if there's info that proves otherwise. Why are you so pro-Irish/Celtic anyway if you're a Trondelag? You also had that thread bragging about your IQ. Ireland has an average IQ of 94 which is 6 points lower than the average northern European country and comparable to Balkan countries. Irish people are also known for(well, obviously not by the average person, but by people who care about this kind of shit) chavism in the UK and redneck culture in the US. Again, just curious.

Americans largely support race mixing but most dont usually do it themselves. There is alot of propaganda in schools and in the television/movies to do it because it will create a less racist society. Im not sure how successful this brainwash will be but Im sure the jews behind it will figure out a way. I dont really care about multiethnic america. If this shit is happening in europe it needs to stop as it will start a racial disharmony. Fuck america thats a lost cause anyway.

[LightHouse89]

ayy lmao

you said they brought 'Armenoids' do you mean they brought people from the Caucasus region? I'm curious because I have an atypically high amount of West Asian genetics and I know these genetics are most held in the Caucasus region, perhaps it is possible I descend from a Roman Armenian soldier...

The unique thing about this is that the majority of genetic surveys conducted in the British Islands havent picked up on any of this so its most likely bullshit. The mixed people are recent due to the large number of worthless unskilled labor immigrants being brought over to vote labor.

[Neon Knight]

In 1601 Queen Elizabeth I issued an edict "that black people should be expelled from Britain because there were too many of them around, which everybody ignored," he added.

She would have a fit now.

[LightHouse89]

She would have a fit now.

They didnt have negroes in Britain back then did they?

Mixing with negroes would lower the intellectual ability of Brits.

[Neon Knight]

They didnt have negroes in Britain back then did they?

Mixing with negroes would lower the intellectual ability of Brits.

According to the source below, around 1800 London was about 1% African. It says there were thousands of slaves/servants at one point

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/black_britons_01.shtml

[Graham]

According to the source below, around 1800 London was about 1% African. It says there were thousands of slaves/servants at one point

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/black_britons_01.shtml

Most English people in the South should have ancestry from outwith Britain, from after 1330.. This website is fantastic in showing it. People have been moving around Europe to England.
https://www.englandsimmigrants.com/

African less so. But then this was before 1800. Still a good sight to look through though.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Are you aware of the origin of the name of your country, you foolish HUNgarian? Don't be so lame and claim Hungarians are the whitest. First off, no one cares. Second? It simply isn't true.

[Taiga Lake]

We wuz british and shieeet.

[Profileid]

British>Other Europeans

[Cristiano viejo]

British>Other Europeans

British wannabism in its purest expression.

[Bell Beaker]

If there is a SSA component in some Brits (probably not even 10% of the population and less than 1% of the total genome of which individual with minor SSA) it's simply because of the Slave trade.

Cities like Liverpool take the trophy of carrying the oldest Black communities in Europe, some dating back to the XVII centuries.

Mostly likely some had mixed.

Remember Pablo Fanque, a full Black man born in 1810 (Napoleonic era) in Norwich.

[Carlito's Way]

one drop rule, they black