Southern European phenotypes (South Western, Central, Eastern Euro) - Library

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Here's a thread of Southern European phenotypes. So I'm not accused of some bullcrap here of "cheery pick", I used no single people pics but crowrd photos mainly only with some couple ones here and there.
created in HD videos, in three parts (South Western, Central, Eastern Euro phenotypes), video. that has, showcase all the Southern Euro nationalities for each region. This is a thread I'll like to call the Southern European phenotypes Library.
South Western Europeans (Iberian peninsula):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sL0GdgDzp4
(Spaniards, Portuguese, Andorrans and Gibraltars).

Southcentral Europeans (Italian peninsula):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE4ugha1Sfc
(mainland Italians, I include people from Sicily also here and San Marino.).

Southeastern Europeans (Balkan peninsula):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m32_TycWSBI
(Albanians,Bosnians, Bulgarians, Croats, Greeks, Macedonians, Kosovo's, Moldovans, Montenegrins, Romanians, Slovenians and Turkish).

You're feedback is welcome here.

[Bergen]

Well you have cherrypicked the lightest Iberians and the darkest Italians.

Do you want a cookie now?

[Journeyman26]

My family: 100% Southern European.
Mom: 100% Greek: Eyes (Brown) Hair (Red-Brown)
Dad: 100% N. Italian: Eyes (Blue) Hair (Black)
Sister: 50% Greek, 50% N. Italian: Eyes (Brown) Hair (Brown)
Me: 50% Greek, 50% N. Italian: Eyes (Brown) Hair (Black)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55645&d=1425580365

[Bellona]

Don't you really think that the pics of italians are not completely accurate? Except the fact that you took just the darkest types, there are not even all races present in Italy showed there.
In any case there are regions and cities were there are 30/40% of light eyes ans 20% of light hair, I saw none in this video.
If this should be a video to see their phenotypes as a whole, you failed.

[Armand_Duval]

My family: 100% Southern European.
Mom: 100% Greek: Eyes (Brown) Hair (Red-Brown)
Dad: 100% N. Italian: Eyes (Blue) Hair (Black)
Sister: 50% Greek, 50% N. Italian: Eyes (Brown) Hair (Brown)
Me: 50% Greek, 50% N. Italian: Eyes (Brown) Hair (Black)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55645&d=1425580365


Gezz man if I were 20 years younger I'd like to be your brother in law, hehehehe...

[Armand_Duval]

Well you have cherrypicked the lightest Iberians and the darkest Italians.

Do you want a cookie now?

How is that you cherrypick posting pictures of crowds?.....dummy!.

Is that a chocolate cookie?.

[Sikeliot]

Your Italian photos would not be inaccurate if they were meant to represent the south of the country, but what I see is a lack of northern and central Italian types. So I partially agree that you did not represent all of Italy, but I think you did well representing the south.

However I strongly disagree with the complaint that you cherrypicked light Iberians. The Iberians you posted look similar in coloring to the Italians to me.

[Damião de Góis]

Well you have cherrypicked the lightest Iberians and the darkest Italians.

Do you want a cookie now?

You're too easy to spot, Capelli.

[Drawing-slim]

Not surprised that only amongst Albanians the central western euro phenotype is so frequent yet totally absent in every other country listed.

[dawson]

the Italian video is basically a clip about Neapolitans and Southerners (except some Lega Nord politicians in the end) with a certain phenotype. The pic @ 1:55 is take from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griko_people

[Sikeliot]

the Italian video is basically a clip about Neapolitans and Southerners (except some Lega Nord politicians in the end) with a certain phenotype. The pic @ 1:55 is take from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griko_people


Griko don't look different than the rest of the Calabrese...

[Tacitus]

Considering that the OP "mistakenly" thought Marouane Fellaini was Italian, nothing he says should be taken seriously.

[dawson]

Considering that the OP "mistakenly" thought Marouane Fellaini was Italian, nothing he says should be taken seriously.

I forgot it lol

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Your Italian photos would not be inaccurate if they were meant to represent the south of the country, but what I see is a lack of northern and central Italian types. So I partially agree that you did not represent all of Italy, but I think you did well representing the south.

However I strongly disagree with the complaint that you cherrypicked light Iberians. The Iberians you posted look similar in coloring to the Italians to me.

Thanks for your feedback here.
As for the Italian photos, some are southern and central Italian, northerns there. The first ones are southerns, the middle parts, central and last photos that you probably guess them to be, are northern Italian. The video starts showing in order from southern> to central to >northern.

[alnortedelsur]

Yeah, I am definitely more convinced that all that people are NOT lighter, on average, NOR more paneuropean than Iberians, NOPE :eusa_naughty:

I still keep on my mind, that memorable moment when an Albanian clown insisted that Albanians look like nordic tourists compared to Spaniards:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?164577-Are-Spanish-Brown-people-or-mixed-race-people/page14

and he pretended to convince me about that, by showing me this pic of Albanians:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=56147&d=1427382178

When all I see there are a bunch of brunettes with different shades of brown hair colors, being medium and dark brown the most abundant ones, and some people here and there with blondish hair tones. Nothing "spectacular" or different from what you normally see in Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greece. And their range of skin tones are definitely NOT lighter than the range of skin tones among Spaniards. You don't know how I laughed my ass off with that "proof":lmao

That idiot must think that Spain is Kuwait, Qatar, or something like that... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[MINARDOWICZ]

Yeah, I am definitely more convinced that all that people are NOT lighter, on average, NOR more paneuropean than Iberians, NOPE :eusa_naughty:

I still keep on my mind, that memorable moment when an Albanian clown insisted that Albanians look like nordic tourists compared to Spaniards:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?164577-Are-Spanish-Brown-people-or-mixed-race-people/page14

and he pretended to convince me about that, by showing me this pic of Albanians:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=56147&d=1427382178

When all I see there are a bunch of brunettes with different shades of brown hair colors, being medium and dark brown the most abundant ones, and some people here and there with blondish hair tones. Nothing "spectacular" or different from what you normally see in Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greece. And their range of skin tones are definitely NOT lighter than the range of skin tones among Spaniards. You don't know how I laughed my ass off with that "proof":lmao

That idiot must think that Spain is Kuwait, Qatar, or something like that... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

The hair coloring ratio looks similar to that of pictures I see from cousins in Napoli...

[Ctwentysevenj]

They should show a video on Lombardy, Piedmont or the South Tyrol. It would be totally different. they would be the lightest in South Europe.

[SupaThug]

They should show a video on Lombardy, Piedmont or the South Tyrol. It would be totally different. they would be the lightest in South Europe.

Regrading Hair and eye colour,yes...regrading skin pigmentation,they are on par with Iberians.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Regrading Hair and eye colour,yes...regrading skin pigmentation,they are on par with Iberians.

I think the South Tyrolese would be the lightest of all, as the are mainly Germans.

[SupaThug]

I think the South Tyrolese would be the lightest of all, as the are mainly Germans.

Yes,but most people from South Tyrol are not ethnically northern italian.We have to take Veneto,Piemonte and Lombardia as exemples,they are real northern italians(not saying that south tyrolese are not true italian tough)

[MINARDOWICZ]

Regrading Hair and eye colour,yes...regrading skin pigmentation,they are on par with Iberians.

I'm almost certain people from Tyrol and Lombardy would be lighter than Iberians. LOL. Good luck finding an Iberian as nordic as Paolo Sizzi.

[Ctwentysevenj]

I'm almost certain people from Tyrol and Lombardy would be lighter than Iberians. LOL. Good luck finding an Iberian as nordic as Paolo Sizzi.

Also those regions are hundreds of kilometres further north than than most northern point of Spain. North Italy juts right into central Europe, and at the closest point, is only 50 kilometres from Germany. While Spain is right in south west Europe.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Also those regions are hundreds of kilometres further north than than most northern point of Spain. North Italy juts right into central Europe, and at the closest point, is only 50 kilometres from Germany. While Spain is right in south west Europe.

Lmao. You sound delusional.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I'm almost certain people from Tyrol and Lombardy would be lighter than Iberians. LOL. Good luck finding an Iberian as nordic as Paolo Sizzi.

There's photos of northern Italians though from Lombardy in the video here. They don't really look Nordic, Lol. But mainly Alpinized-Dinarics.

[Seth MacFarlane]

My family: 100% Southern European.
Mom: 100% Greek: Eyes (Brown) Hair (Red-Brown)
Dad: 100% N. Italian: Eyes (Blue) Hair (Black)
Sister: 50% Greek, 50% N. Italian: Eyes (Brown) Hair (Brown)
Me: 50% Greek, 50% N. Italian: Eyes (Brown) Hair (Black)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55645&d=1425580365

Your mom and sister both look very east med Greek , Sicilian , Calabrian , Cypriot she took after your Greek side a lot the north Italian didn't affect her pheno. You look In between them , pan med type between Atlantid and pontid

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Your mom and sister both look very east med Greek , Sicilian , Calabrian , Cypriot she took after your Greek side a lot the north Italian didn't affect her pheno. You look In between them , pan med type between Atlantid and pontid

His phenotypes looks more Southern eastern small Mediterranean type with Pontid than Atlantid.

[Seth MacFarlane]

His phenotypes looks more Southern eastern small Mediterranean type with Pontid than Atlantid.

Right he does fit better in the east of south euro then the west. He does look extremely pontid and not much Atlantid , I'm starting to think pontid is just east med with some north euro influence especially considering that's what his parents look like one east med looking and one parent north euro lookin add that up equals him equals pontid . He looks prototype for pontid but some people classify people that look like his mom and sister as pontid which causes more confusion of the definition of both pontid and east med. they say pontid is a type of east med but I think they only say that because it pops up in Greece in my opinion east meds are present also in the levant as a commen type while pontids are not and are actually more commen in south Eastern Europe than the Middle East

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Right he does fit better in the east of south euro then the west. He does look extremely pontid and not much Atlantid , I'm starting to think pontid is just east med with some north euro influence especially considering that's what his parents look like one east med looking and one parent north euro lookin add that up equals him equals pontid . He looks prototype for pontid but some people classify people that look like his mom and sister as pontid which causes more confusion of the definition of both pontid and east med. they say pontid is a type of east med but I think they only say that because it pops up in Greece in my opinion east meds are present also in the levant as a commen type while pontids are not and are actually more commen in south Eastern Europe than the Middle East

Yes. Hes mom and sister almost anywhere were you find East Med-Pontid, his dad mainly in the Balkans.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Yes. Hes mom and sister almost anywhere were you find East Med-Pontid, his dad mainly in the Balkans.

Right . Mom and sister is more east med proper they could pass in the levant while he is distinctly balkanic looking. Pontid is an offshoot of east med as in a type that's only indigenous to a certain area ( Balkans/Greece )but some people thinks it's the same as east med . Pontid is distinctly a southeast euro / Balkan pheno. Greece is the farthest we will find pontids

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Yeah, I am definitely more convinced that all that people are NOT lighter, on average, NOR more paneuropean than Iberians, NOPE :eusa_naughty:

I still keep on my mind, that memorable moment when an Albanian clown insisted that Albanians look like nordic tourists compared to Spaniards:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?164577-Are-Spanish-Brown-people-or-mixed-race-people/page14

and he pretended to convince me about that, by showing me this pic of Albanians:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=56147&d=1427382178

When all I see there are a bunch of brunettes with different shades of brown hair colors, being medium and dark brown the most abundant ones, and some people here and there with blondish hair tones. Nothing "spectacular" or different from what you normally see in Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greece. And their range of skin tones are definitely NOT lighter than the range of skin tones among Spaniards. You don't know how I laughed my ass off with that "proof":lmao

That idiot must think that Spain is Kuwait, Qatar, or something like that... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
They better watch my videos here good and think again, Lol.
http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Yes-Yes-Yes-Wrestler-Cheer-On-WWE-Gif.gif

[Journeyman26]

Yes. Hes mom and sister almost anywhere were you find East Med-Pontid, his dad mainly in the Balkans.


Right

Yeah, my sister looks exactly like my cousin (moms sisters daughter) who is 100% Greek, so she definitely got more of that side of the family. As for me, I am kind of in the middle like you said, my dads side says I look Greek and my moms side says I look Italian. But I found some pictures of my dad and my moms dad when they were around my age to compare.

Moms dad circa 1942
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55639&d=1425574412

My dad circa 1975
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57033&d=1429711092

Me!
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57034&d=1429711169

As far as I can tell, I have my dad's pigmentation (other than eyes), freckles, and head shape, but my grandfathers features

[Seth MacFarlane]

Yeah, my sister looks exactly like my cousin (moms sisters daughter) who is 100% Greek, so she definitely got more of that side of the family. As for me, I am kind of in the middle like you said, my dads side says I look Greek and my moms side says I look Italian. But I found some pictures of my dad and my moms dad when they were around my age to compare.

Moms dad circa 1942
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55639&d=1425574412

My dad circa 1975
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57033&d=1429711092

Me!
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57034&d=1429711169

Wow you look an exact in between mixture of both of them! Your dad side view of Greek and your mom view of Italian is basically the same thing obviously. It makes sense for northern Italians to think southern Italians look Greek that's what there made of. You look both Greek and Italian most of the time there's not much difference in looks which is why I'm surprised your mother didn't say you look both. Only difference is Phoenician influence in Siciliy which is not present in your case. You could pass in the Balkans. Your mom and sister look very Italian I wonder does she know that loll that would of been my first guess along with Greek

[SupaThug]

I'm almost certain people from Tyrol and Lombardy would be lighter than Iberians. LOL. Good luck finding an Iberian as nordic as Paolo Sizzi.

1-Iberians usually plot north of northern italians
2-It is undeniable that more italians can fit in Scandinavia and Central Europe than Iberians
3-I am talking about SKIN pigmentation,regrading hair and eye colour,northern italians are lighter pigmented
4-Most people from South Tyrol are not ethnic italians

[Sikeliot]

Right . Mom and sister is more east med proper they could pass in the levant while he is distinctly balkanic looking. Pontid is an offshoot of east med as in a type that's only indigenous to a certain area ( Balkans/Greece )but some people thinks it's the same as east med . Pontid is distinctly a southeast euro / Balkan pheno. Greece is the farthest we will find pontids

Pontid is an eastern version of Atlanto-Med and that is what appears in Greece, not proper East Med really.



2-It is undeniable that more italians can fit in Scandinavia and Central Europe than Iberians

Not southerners.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Pontid is an eastern version of Atlanto-Med and that is what appears in Greece, not proper East Med really.

That's what I mean pontid is not east med proper. His sister and mother are eastern med proper IMO and not pontid
Because l share the same opinion of pontid just being a eastern version of Atlantid
Not southerners.

[SupaThug]

Not southerners.

I am not sure,the lightest Iberians usually fit better in the British Islands,while the lightest italians(despite looking italian),would fit better in Germany,even the lightest sicilians.

[alnortedelsur]

Also those regions are hundreds of kilometres further north than than most northern point of Spain. North Italy juts right into central Europe, and at the closest point, is only 50 kilometres from Germany. While Spain is right in south west Europe.

Spain is not an almost tropical sunny place, as you have in mind, and everything is not reduced to latitude. Northern Germans are blonder on average than Scottish, to put an example. And Scotland is more northern than northern Germany.

Northern Italians are NOT northern Europeans, they can be slightly lighter, on average, than Spaniards, but NOT by a big margin, period.

[Sikeliot]

I am not sure,the lightest Iberians usually fit better in the British Islands,while the lightest italians(despite looking italian),would fit better in Germany,even the lightest sicilians.

But finding a Sicilian who can pass in Germany is much rarer than a Spaniard who can pass in the UK.

[Journeyman26]

Wow you look an exact in between mixture of both of them! Your dad side view of Greek and your mom view of Italian is basically the same thing obviously. It makes sense for northern Italians to think southern Italians look Greek that's what there made of. You look both Greek and Italian most of the time there's not much difference in looks which is why I'm surprised your mother didn't say you look both. Only difference is Phoenician influence in Siciliy which is not present in your case. You could pass in the Balkans. Your mom and sister look very Italian I wonder does she know that loll that would of been my first guess along with Greek

Hah very true. When I travelled Europe for a few months after I graduated most people thought I was Spanish or French, then Italian.

[Sikeliot]

Hah very true. When I travelled Europe for a few months after I graduated most people thought I was Spanish or French, then Italian.

It depends on where in Italy. To me you neither fit in the very north nor the very south. If one of your relatives were to look Spanish it's your sister.

[Journeyman26]

It depends on where in Italy. To me you neither fit in the very north nor the very south. If one of your relatives were to look Spanish it's your sister.

Yeah... she does have a pan-med look to her. But like a lot of north american girls she is all into fake tanning, she is naturally a lot lighter skinned.

[Sikeliot]

Yeah... she does have a pan-med look to her. But like a lot of north american girls she is all into fake tanning, she is naturally a lot lighter skinned.

It is interesting because despite being partially Iberian I have never been mistaken for such. I probably look Sicilian, but Slavicized.

[Seth MacFarlane]

It is interesting because despite being partially Iberian I have never been mistaken for such. I probably look Sicilian, but Slavicized.

Yea you look southern Italian , Greek , Balkan , But also could pass as Armenian and Lebanese. Don't really look Iberian

[MINARDOWICZ]

There's photos of northern Italians though from Lombardy in the video here. They don't really look Nordic, Lol. But mainly Alpinized-Dinarics.

I'm sure most of them are not "nordid" but I would think Nordid would be more common there than in most of Spain (except maybe Galicia etc.). Also, the skin color in northern italy can be quite pale, even on average. Don't get me wrong, they have higher west asian etc. than Spain, but are also more northern euro I believe.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Pontid is an eastern version of Atlanto-Med and that is what appears in Greece, not proper East Med really.



Not southerners.

Not even my northern admixed family in Campania passes in Scandinavia! LOL!

[MINARDOWICZ]

1-Iberians usually plot north of northern italians
2-It is undeniable that more italians can fit in Scandinavia and Central Europe than Iberians
3-I am talking about SKIN pigmentation,regrading hair and eye colour,northern italians are lighter pigmented
4-Most people from South Tyrol are not ethnic italians

Iberians do plot north of northern Italians, yes, but the breakdown shows very different components. Do N Italians not have higher Baltic etc. scores? I mean, they likely plot a bit south of them due to West Asian and East Med. I'm not denying it is there... but there are types like Paolo Sizzi in the north and it is not unheard of at all.

Agreed about Tyrol, though.

[Journeyman26]

can be quite pale, even on average.

Absolutely! My father is 100% northern italian and is extremely pale/freckly. Does not tan at all, just burns. He has the skin of an irishman hahah

[Bellona]

But finding a Sicilian who can pass in Germany is much rarer than a Spaniard who can pass in the UK.

Bullshit.
You have to tell me why all the british friends I have say it's completely wrong to think that Spaniards could normally pass or be mistaken for british.
I bet there are some, but SOME=//=ALL
Spaniards look spaniards, italians look italians, that's all.
Some people can pass in North, some in South or East,stop.

[Sikeliot]

Bullshit.
You have to tell me why all the british friends I have say it's completely wrong to think that Spaniards could normally pass or be mistaken for british.



Because Britain has a higher number of types that resemble Atlantids and Atlanto-Meds (Southern European types) than does Germany.

[SupaThug]

Bullshit.
You have to tell me why all the british friends I have say it's completely wrong to think that Spaniards could normally pass or be mistaken for british.
I bet there are some, but SOME=//=ALL
Spaniards look spaniards, italians look italians, that's all.
Some people can pass in North, some in South or East,stop.

He's right,many dark brits fit in Iberia and many light iberians fit in the birtish islands.On the other hand,most light italians look closer to germans than to british islanders.

[Bellona]

Because Britain has a higher number of types that resemble Atlantids and Atlanto-Meds (Southern European types) than does Germany.

Since you're not British, I'll believe my friends when they say Spaniards do not look like them.

[Bellona]

He's right,many dark brits fit in Iberia and many light iberians fit in the birtish islands.On the other hand,most light italians look closer to germans than to british islanders.

So he is right but british are not. Ok lol.

[Sikeliot]

Since you're not British, I'll believe my friends when they say Spaniards do not look like them.

If they don't look British then you certainly don't either.

[SupaThug]

So he is right but british are not. Ok lol.

Who's saying brits are wrong?Most people when refer to Iberians(to any S.european group in fact) have a stereotypical image that is not real.We are not saying spaniards look like brits,we are just saying that a large minority can fit in the british islands,that's undeniable.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Since you're not British, I'll believe my friends when they say Spaniards do not look like them.

Many of my relatives of pred. Spanish ancestry have been mistake in US for white American Irish origin or French by Some white Americans. Untill they open their mouths, lol.

[Bellona]

If they don't look British then you certainly don't either.

Wtf? When did we start talking about me exactly, or when I say I do pass as a brit? Like never? Bah.
Keep dreaming that there is a large amount of Spaniards who look Brits, who cares.

[Bellona]

Many of my relatives of pred. Spanish ancestry have been mistake in US for white American Irish origin or French by Some white Americans. Untill they open their mouths, lol.

Your relatives=//=all Spaniards. Some cases are not all, and in any case I do not certainly count americans opinion in anthropological matters.
They are all mixed, so they don't know how ''pure'' europeans look like.