Iraqi flags

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This is the flag of Iraq from 1959-1963.Due to political currents and stuff, it has been changed many times over the years.

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1991-2004. Flag of Syria from 1963-1972 also.

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"Allahu akbar" added in Saddam's own handwriting.

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2004-2008.Script changed.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Flag_of_Iraq.svg/220px-Flag_of_Iraq.svg.png
3 stars removed.

I really like the 1959 one.Not only does it invoke pan-arabism,but it recognizes the Kurds(yellow center) and Assyrians with the star of Ishtar.The star also serves to acknowledge Iraq's ancient heritage.

Now look at the current one. Only has an Arab and Muslim identity.

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Here's a rejected one from 2004.
Good.Too much white.It looks a bit weak.Also.No mention of the Assyrians.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Proposed_flag_of_Iraq_%28Coalition_Provisional_Aut hority%2C_2004%29.svg/220px-Proposed_flag_of_Iraq_%28Coalition_Provisional_Aut hority%2C_2004%29.svg.png

[Halgurd]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Flag_of_Iraq_%281959-1963%29.svg/220px-Flag_of_Iraq_%281959-1963%29.svg.png
This is the flag of Iraq from 1959-1963.Due to political currents and stuff, it has been changed many times over the years.
I really like the 1959 one.Not only does it invoke pan-arabism,but it recognizes the Kurds(yellow center) and Assyrians with the star of Ishtar.The star also serves to acknowledge Iraq's ancient heritage.

Now look at the current one. Only has an Arab and Muslim identity.

I absolutely agree with you. This guy was the leader at the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Karim_Qasim He had Kurdish blood. From what I've read in some aspects he was a good leader, but still we fought against him.

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I absolutely agree with you. This guy was the leader at the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Karim_Qasim He had Kurdish blood. From what I've read in some aspects he was a good leader, but still we fought against him.

Yeah.This flag showed some actual unity and yet was the one that was the shortest lived.
It makes sense this guy was in charge then, he likely was sympathetic to a degree.

[Iron Sheik]

Why on earth would a super generic American care about Iraqi flags?

[Óttar]

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This is my favorite one because it is the star of the goddess Ishtar of the Babylonians. Too bad the secularizing governments in the Middle East and North Africa who make allusions to ancient history aren't actually "pagans."

[Iron Sheik]

This is my favorite one because it is the star of the goddess Ishtar of the Babylonians. Too bad the secularizing governments in the Middle East and North Africa who make allusions to ancient history aren't actually "pagans."

Why would they be pagan? Abdel karim qassims government was left-wing nationalist. The saddam's baath party is arab fascist, basically nazi-lite. Whenever invoked pre-Islamic Mesopotamian civilization, it was out of complete confusion.

[Óttar]

Why would they be pagan? Abdel karim qassims government was left-wing nationalist. The saddam's baath party is arab fascist, basically nazi-lite. Whenever invoked pre-Islamic Mesopotamian civilization, it was out of complete confusion.
Saddam Hussein restored the Ishtar Gate (while also defacing it with modern Arabic script, but w/e :rolleyes:), and portrayed himself as the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar. A wonderfully romantic notion. A true strong man should transcend the stupidity of the age and successfully reconstruct "paganism." A fanciful idea, no doubt, I am just saying that it would be cool if they took these historical allusions a step further. The Shah went a long way in trying to restore admiration in Persia's pre-Islamic heritage, even subsidizing families who gave their children pre-Islamic Persian names. I have the most respect for him.

[Iron Sheik]

Saddam Hussein restored the Ishtar Gate (while also defacing it with modern Arabic script :rolleyes:), and portrayed himself as the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar. A wonderfully romantic notion. A true strong man should transcend the stupidity of the age and successfully reconstruct "paganism." A fanciful idea, no doubt, I am just saying that it would be cool if they took these historical allusions a step further. The Shah went a long way in trying to restore admiration in Persia's pre-Islamic heritage. I have the most respect for him.

Saddam Hussein was confused about Iraq's cultural heritage. He's was a ruler, not a internet folk-lore "My ancient ancestry I cool" guy from Midwestern US. If he had gone the pagan route, he'd be deposed fairly quickly. More important than his infantile dabblings into reviving symbols of antique cultures, he was considered the modern strongman of sunni arabs around the world. That's why he survived so long, until he started fucking with oil rich gulf arab states with very powerful friends, thinking he could elevate Iraq into the regional power and become the leader of the sunni arab world.

As for Pahlavi family, his father was a boring self-serving power-hungry Persian off-white dilemma nationalist. Completely ignorant of Irans history and culture. Only concerned with how Iran stacks up to modern industrialized western-states. Pahlavi destroyed it's traditional power structure and shat on the countrys diversity, in favour of some sassanian-style nationalism. Pahlavi junior who followed his fathers footsteps, was trying to ata-turkify iran, until the Islamic revolution stopped him.

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Saddam Hussein was confused about Iraq's cultural heritage. He's was a ruler, not a internet folk-lore "My ancient ancestry I cool" guy from Midwestern US. If he had gone the pagan route, he'd be deposed fairly quickly. More important than his infantile dabblings into reviving symbols of antique cultures, he was considered the modern strongman of sunni arabs around the world. That's why he survived so long, until he started fucking with oil rich gulf arab states with very powerful friends, thinking he could elevate Iraq into the regional power and become the leader of the sunni arab world.

As for Pahlavi family, his father was a boring self-serving power-hungry Persian off-white dilemma nationalist. Completely ignorant of Irans history and culture. Only concerned with how Iran stacks up to modern industrialized western-states. Pahlavi destroyed it's traditional power structure and shat on the countrys diversity, in favour of some sassanian-style nationalism. Pahlavi junior who followed his fathers footsteps, was trying to ata-turkify iran, until the Islamic revolution stopped him.

In a word....No.
How is it confusing for Iraqis to recognize their ancient heritage? That they are the descendants of the Assyrians and Babylonians should be a point of pride and is a basic fact of history.

[StonyArabia]

In a word....No.
How is it confusing for Iraqis to recognize their ancient heritage? That they are the descendants of the Assyrians and Babylonians should be a point of pride and is a basic fact of history.

Iraqis are mostly descendant of Bedouin tribes actually. The Mongols and Timurids massacred the original population. Today most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock from Arabia who settled the region. The following tribes that shape Iraq's population, Shammar, Bani Lam, Bani Tamim, Bani Truf, Al-Muntafaq, Al-Jubur, Al-Janabi, Rawallah, Anizah, Unizun, Mutar and some other tribes. The only thing that made difference was that these tribes converted to Shiaism in the 19th century, when they lost their nomadism and came under the influence of the Lebo-Persian clergy, since many of the Persian clergy came from Lebanon originally but were Persianized. These Shia clergy men took refuge in Iraq, after the Afghan invasion of Persia. Those of us who stayed nomadic were still Sunni and nominally Christian like the Akasheh tribe which is found in Jordan and western Iraq also of Bedouin origins. We are genetically Bedouins and are proud of our Arabian Bedouin culture. Northern Iraqi Sunni Arab are mostly descendants from the locals especially in Mosul and Tikrit. The rest of Iraqis especially those from the South are no different than Arabians of Arabia by culture, lineage or tradition, only by their sectarian affiliation which they got quite recently anyways.

[Iron Sheik]

Iraqis are mostly descendant of Bedouin tribes actually. The Mongols and Timurids massacred the original population. Today most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock from Arabia who settled the region. The following tribes that shape Iraq's population, Shammar, Bani Lam, Bani Tamim, Bani Truf, Al-Muntafaq, Al-Jubur, Al-Janabi, Rawallah, Anizah, Unizun, Mutar and some other tribes. The only thing that made difference was that these tribes converted to Shiaism in the 19th century, when they lost their nomadism and came under the influence of the Lebo-Persian clergy, since many of the Persian clergy came from Lebanon originally but were Persianized. These Shia clergy men took refuge in Iraq, after the Afghan invasion of Persia. Those of us who stayed nomadic were still Sunni and nominally Christian like the Akasheh tribe which is found in Jordan and western Iraq also of Bedouin origins. We are genetically Bedouins and are proud of our Arabian Bedouin culture. Northern Iraqi Sunni Arab are mostly descendants from the locals especially in Mosul and Tikrit. The rest of Iraqis especially those from the South are no different than Arabians of Arabia by culture, lineage or tradition, only by their sectarian affiliation which they got quite recently anyways.

Maybe the shammars and the southern Iraqis. But not the rest.

[StonyArabia]

Maybe the shammars and the southern Iraqis. But not the rest.

Most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock. Southern Iraqis are of Bedouin origins, but they converted to Shiaism in the 19th century. For example the Al-Muntafaq is the largest Shia Bedouin tribe, which has many clans belonging to it. The same is true of the Bani Lam tribe who were of Bedouin stock but converted to Shiaism, and as well other tribes did, but the nomadic tribes never did convert. Anyways most Iraqis are of Bedouin Arabian stock, except for those of the North.

[Iron Sheik]

Most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock. Southern Iraqis are of Bedouin origins, but they converted to Shiaism in the 19th century. For example the Al-Muntafaq is the largest Shia Bedouin tribe, which has many clans belonging to it. The same is true of the Bani Lam tribe who were of Bedouin stock but converted to Shiaism, and as well other tribes did, but the nomadic tribes never did convert. Anyways most Iraqis are of Bedouin Arabian stock, except for those of the North.

Why isn't this showing in admixture tests?

[Profileid]

Iraqis are mostly descendant of Bedouin tribes actually. The Mongols and Timurids massacred the original population. Today most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock from Arabia who settled the region. The following tribes that shape Iraq's population, Shammar, Bani Lam, Bani Tamim, Bani Truf, Al-Muntafaq, Al-Jubur, Al-Janabi, Rawallah, Anizah, Unizun, Mutar and some other tribes. The only thing that made difference was that these tribes converted to Shiaism in the 19th century, when they lost their nomadism and came under the influence of the Lebo-Persian clergy, since many of the Persian clergy came from Lebanon originally but were Persianized. These Shia clergy men took refuge in Iraq, after the Afghan invasion of Persia. Those of us who stayed nomadic were still Sunni and nominally Christian like the Akasheh tribe which is found in Jordan and western Iraq also of Bedouin origins. We are genetically Bedouins and are proud of our Arabian Bedouin culture. Northern Iraqi Sunni Arab are mostly descendants from the locals especially in Mosul and Tikrit. The rest of Iraqis especially those from the South are no different than Arabians of Arabia by culture, lineage or tradition, only by their sectarian affiliation which they got quite recently anyways.

I call bullshit.Very rarely are a people completely pushed out of their homeland and outbreed to the point where it fundamentally changes their DNA.
Southern Iraq would've been the home of the Babylonians and the Sumerians before that.This is apparent foremost in the southern marsh arabs and the mandeans.

[StonyArabia]

I call bullshit.Very rarely are a people completely pushed out of their homeland and outbreed to the point where it fundamentally changes their DNA.
Southern Iraq would've been the home of the Babylonians and the Sumerians before that.This is apparent foremost in the southern marsh arabs and the mandeans.

Marsh Arabs are of settled Bedouin stock, Mandeans are the last remains. Most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock as a result of Mongol and Timurid invasions. This has been confirmed by Polish scientists and our culture, and our genetics. We are not related to Iranic people at all.

[Iron Sheik]

Marsh Arabs are of settled Bedouin stock, Mandeans are the last remains. Most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock as a result of Mongol and Timurid invasions. This has been confirmed by Polish scientists and our culture, and our genetics. We are not related to Iranic people at all.
Citations?

[Iron Sheik]

In a word....No.
How is it confusing for Iraqis to recognize their ancient heritage? That they are the descendants of the Assyrians and Babylonians should be a point of pride and is a basic fact of history.
They're a mixture of mesopoatamians, persians, turkmen, anatolians, arabs and god knows what. In southern iraq even slave related east-african admixture is apparent. Calling them pure arabs or Babylonians is nonsense. Nabatea is from anbar or something. Which why he's religiously reciting this nonsense.

[StonyArabia]

Citations?

The Bani Sallama, Tayy and al-Soudan in the Mesopotamian Marshes were converted from Sunnism to Shi’ism by the Musha'sha'iyyah dynasty.[3][4]

From the late 18th century and onwards, there was a massive conversion of the majority of Iraq’s Sunni Arab tribes to Shi’ism (especially during the 19th century). The following tribes were converted during this period:[6] Some sections of Zubaid,[7][8] Banu Lam, al bu Muhammad, large sections of the Rabiah (including al-Dafaf'a, Bani Amir and al-Jaghayfa), Banu Tamim[8] (including their largest section in Iraq –Bani Sa’d), the Shammar Toga,[8] some sections of Dulaim, the Zafir, the Dawwar, the Sawakin, al-Muntafiq confederation,[9] the Bani Hasan (of the Bani Malik),[10] those of the Afak, the Bani Hukayyim, the Shibil (of the Khazal), the al Fatla,[11] the many tribes along the Hindiya canal, and the 5 tribes of Al Diwaniyah (Aqra’, Budayyir, Afak, Jubur and Jilaiha) that relied on the Daghara canal for their water supply.

Encyclopaedia of Islam, 2d ed. s.v. “Musha’sha, and Yitzhak Nakash The Shia of Iraq.

However the nomadic tribes that never settled and rejected the call of the Lebo-Persian clergy never converted and still adhere to the Bedouin way and code, even some were Christian like the Akasheh, basically those who stayed true to their Arabian Bedouin character. Although Shiaism originally was a Qahatantite movement which originated from Yemen.


They're a mixture of mesopoatamians, persians, turkmen, anatolians, arabs and god knows what. In southern iraq even slave related east-african admixture is apparent. Calling them pure arabs or Babylonians is nonsense. Nabatea is from anbar or something. Which why he's religiously reciting this nonsense.

Mesopotamians were extinct, and Turkoman/Persian admix is only found in the shrine cities, because the Bedouin tribes are very endogamous, only those who adopted Shiaism and lost all traces of their original culture might intermarry. Some Shia tribes though still adhere to the Bedouin way. Sunni Bedouins are highly endomgaous and rarely intermarry with others, and if they do its usually with Jordanians who are seen as their closest kin, and after that people of Northern Arabia.

[Iron Sheik]

Show us some dna evidence. You know there are several iraqis tested. Why are you not posting them?

[Grenzland]

The saddam's baath party is arab fascist, basically nazi-lite.

Where the hell do you live? :D

[Iron Sheik]

Where the hell do you live? :D
Irrelevant. But i dont see where i am incorrect. The baath ideology was inspired by the nazi and italian fascists according to the founder of the ideology himself who was a student at the sorbonne. Michel aflaq. A lebanese maronite and founder of baathism. Was greatly influencer by nazi germany.
Saddam applied a more mild versions of lebensraum and Stalins deportations. Liquidation of enemiea. Anti communism. the concept of the arab race. Systematic and deliberate deportation and ethnic cleansing of people's deemed undesirable or a danger to the state. These are all actions and concepts he borrowed from hitler and stalin. He himself openly declared admiration for both figures.

[Grenzland]

What about them? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party

They are way more similar to NS. Fascism is even less comparable because they lack the leftist elements. Baathism is just a 3rd Way ideology. And of course they were all influenced by European persons and ideologies because the leaders all studied in Europe but no ideology was applied in its original form, not even Marxism.

[Iron Sheik]

What about them? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party


They are way more similar to NS. Fascism is even less comparable because they lack the leftist elements. Baathism is just a 3rd Way ideology. And of course they were all influenced by European persons and ideologies because the leaders all studied in Europe but no ideology was applied in its original form, not even Marxism.

Uh. Yes. But where hasn't there been regional differences? Where has there been any idea that is consistent unless were talking about universal concepts like math or science? All ideas are adapted to their time, place and conditions. Both intrinsic or external. They weren't nazi germany. But they borrowed and copied alot from there.

[StonyArabia]

Show us some dna evidence. You know there are several iraqis tested. Why are you not posting them?


The Iraqi Arab from the North matches well with Assyrians, the Iraqi Arab from Baghdad seem to be the same but with Iranian influence, well the Southern Iraqi Arab, who actually belongs to one of the Bedouin tribes is very Bedouin/Arabian like. The vast majority of Iraqis would be like the latter, with the exception of far Northern Iraqis Sunni Arabs, well those of the West would resemble Jordanians who are in turn are an Arabian subset population as well. History shows that Iraq went through a large demographic shift in favor of the Bedouins, today Iraq lost that character due to the extensive missionary work of the Lebo-Persian clergy, and the influence of the shrine cities. There also another Iraqi, me and I am not representative since I have Caucasus-Anatolian admix on the paternal line, but the maternal line seems very Arabian/Bedouin like.

[Iron Sheik]

The Iraqi Arab from the North matches well with Assyrians, the Iraqi Arab from Baghdad seem to be the same but with Iranian influence, well the Southern Iraqi Arab, who actually belongs to one of the Bedouin tribes is very Bedouin/Arabian like. The vast majority of Iraqis would be like the latter, with the exception of far Northern Iraqis Sunni Arabs, well those of the West would resemble Jordanians who are in turn are an Arabian subset population as well. History shows that Iraq went through a large demographic shift in favor of the Bedouins, today Iraq lost that character due to the extensive missionary work of the Lebo-Persian clergy, and the influence of the shrine cities. There also another Iraqi, me and I am not representative since I have Caucasus-Anatolian admix on the paternal line, but the maternal line seems very Arabian/Bedouin like.

So you base this on a sample of 2? LOL. I've looked at some, and only the south seems to be consistent with what you claim. perhaps also anbar.

[Grenzland]

Nabatea, may it be that you know nearly nothing about Arabia? Not the first time this attracts my attention...

What's next? Iranians are Bedouins too and the old arch enemy of all Bedouins (Hezbollah according too you) attacks it self?

[StonyArabia]

So you base this on a sample of 2? LOL. I've looked at some, and only the south seems to be consistent with what you claim. perhaps also anbar.

Like I said western Iraq and the South are of Bedouin origins, but Northern Iraqis are not and they seem to mostly descent from Arabized locals. There is nothing much in common between a Southern Iraqi and Northern Iraqi in culture, linguistic, and traditions, they originally shared the same sectarian affiliation before the rise of the Lebo-Persian clergy, and their missionary work which converted a large amount of Bedouin tribes in the South to Shiaism, however the nomadic tribes in the South rejected conversion and continued on their own ways. The same is true of western Iraq in which Shia missionaries were active, but had no success.

[Iron Sheik]

Like I said western Iraq and the South are of Bedouin origins, but Northern Iraqis are not and they seem to mostly descent from Arabized locals. There is nothing much in common between a Southern Iraqi and Northern Iraqi in culture, linguistic, and traditions, they originally shared the same sectarian affiliation before the rise of the Lebo-Persian clergy, and their missionary work which converted a large amount of Bedouin tribes in the South to Shiaism, however the nomadic tribes in the South rejected conversion and continued on their own ways. The same is true of western Iraq in which Shia missionaries were active, but had no success.

Let the science speak for itself. Get more iraqi samples.

[StonyArabia]

Let the science speak for itself. Get more iraqi samples.

No need, because science and geneology proves what I am saying as well the demographic shift due to the barbaric Mongol and Timurid invasions.

[Iron Sheik]

No need, because science and geneology proves what I am saying as well the demographic shift due to the barbaric Mongol and Timurid invasions.

Yes 2 samples, science!

[StonyArabia]

Yes 2 samples, science!

Iraqi Arabs are distinct from Assyrians or Iranians, or even Kurds, yet are close to Jordanians and Saudis?

[Iron Sheik]

Iraqi Arabs are distinct from Assyrians or Iranians, or even Kurds, yet are close to Jordanians and Saudis?

According to who? Your and some enzizi tribe dude from nasriyah results? LOL. I saw 4-5 iraqi arabs from diyala and baghdad, they all clustered inbetween levantines and iran. You're a big time agenda faggle.

[OnceLord]

Marsh Arabs are of settled Bedouin stock, Mandeans are the last remains. Most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock as a result of Mongol and Timurid invasions. This has been confirmed by Polish scientists and our culture, and our genetics. We are not related to Iranic people at all.

I got news for you, Cassim Chameleon.. Polako doesn't count, LoL

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Why on earth would a super generic American care about Iraqi flags?

Maybe because they are interested in history who knows....? Seriously shut the fuck up.

[Iron Sheik]

Maybe because they are interested in history who knows....? Seriously shut the fuck up.

Dude go do some ancestral masturbation to your uncle freds picture from the american civil war. And try to come up with some lame shit about how he is relevant in your everyday life as a modern day WASP.

[StonyArabia]

According to who? Your and some enzizi tribe dude from nasriyah results? LOL. I saw 4-5 iraqi arabs from diyala and baghdad, they all clustered inbetween levantines and iran. You're a big time agenda faggle.

I bet they are Shia Iraqis with Lebanese and Persian ancestry from the clergy, and you know Baghadad and Diyala which had a large Persian population who often settled during Qajar times. Yet native Iraqi Arabs who are of Bedouin stock, since the Mesopotamians and such no longer exist. Then why most Iraqis seem to be closer to Jordanians and Saudis who are both Arabian subset population.


got news for you, Cassim Chameleon.. Polako doesn't count, LoL

Who said anything about Polako, here educate yourself http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?125907-Polish-Scientists-confirm-the-Mongol-invasion-and-its-demographic-change-in-Mesopotamia

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Dude go ancestrally masturbate to your uncle freds picture from the civil war. And try to come up with lame shit about how he's relevant in your everyday life as a WASP.

LOL. So I'm stupid for being somewhat intrigued by my ancestors? At least I am not the 'lost US viking'. I am Liberal, race doesn't matter to me...if a Black man is born in Ireland he's Irish to me. I know very well I have more in common with anyone who is born in the U.S. than anyone from any of the countries where my ancestors emigrated from...also blood doesn't mean anything to me. I am however intrigued, because I am intrigued by history in general..unlike you, white pill, doesn't give a shit about the history of the world. You can learn a lot from history, no wonder you're such an idiot. History means little to millennials. It's sad. No way you're 43, you're probably 15. You're the idiot for judging people because of their nationality. What difference does it make if the OP is American? None. And what difference does it make if I'm white, Anglo-Saxon descended and Protestant? You are the one who cares more about the ancestors of people than I do....

[Iron Sheik]

I bet they are Shia Iraqis with Lebanese and Persian ancestry from the clergy, and you know Baghadad and Diyala which had a large Persian population who often settled during Qajar times. Yet native Iraqi Arabs who are of Bedouin stock, since the Mesopotamians and such no longer exist. Then why most Iraqis seem to be closer to Jordanians and Saudis who are both Arabian subset population.

Bedouins aren't more native to Iraq than anyone else. So your argument fails, son. Your nigga tribe the shemar aren't native by your own admission, of them immigrating from the gulf arab states.

[OnceLord]

Who said anything about Polako, here educate yourself http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?125907-Polish-Scientists-confirm-the-Mongol-invasion-and-its-demographic-change-in-Mesopotamia

It's called a joke-- find yourself a new sense of humour.

On top of that, go find new DNA samples and stop swamping discussions with all this non genetics fluff. A genetics question --how Arabian are Iraqis -- needs a genetic answer.

Strange to see this romanticising of Arabia and the like from a halfblood living in Canada...... Where's the Canadian fixation? Didnt Harper and co do far more for you than just fill your head with silly delusions of sand dunes and magic carpets? Typical ungrateful immigrant spawn, LoL

You can take Mustafa out the Middle East, but you sure as hell can't take the Middle East out of Mustafa!

[Iron Sheik]

LOL. So I'm stupid for being somewhat intrigued by my ancestors? At least I am not the 'lost US viking'. I am Liberal, race doesn't matter to me...if a Black man is born in Ireland he's Irish to me. I know very well I have more in common with anyone who is born in the U.S. than anyone from any of the countries where my ancestors emigrated from...also blood doesn't mean anything to me. I am however intrigued, because I am intrigued by history in general..unlike you, white pill, doesn't give a shit about the history of the world. You can learn a lot from history, no wonder you're such an idiot. History means little to millennials. It's sad. No way you're 43, you're probably 15. You're the idiot for judging people because of their nationality. What difference does it make if the OP is American? None. And what difference does it make if I'm white, Anglo-Saxon descended and Protestant? You are the one who cares more about the ancestors of people than I do....

Lol, I care about history. I just don't think it's springboard for shameless self masturbation. Besides all this maximus, you're a troll son, you can't fool papa khamenei. Don't bullshit a bullshitter.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Lol, I care about history. I just don't think it's springboard for shameless self masturbation. Besides all this maximus, you're a troll son, you can't fool papa khamenei. Don't bullshit a bullshitter.

Ad hominem arguments. I've clearly just handed your troll ass to you.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Anyways, you have revealed yourself as a troll, now no one will take you seriously. I don't think anyone was though

[Iron Sheik]

Ad hominem arguments. I've clearly just handed your troll ass to you.

My only response to you son:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usLwks5FbiY



Anyways, you have revealed yourself as a troll, now no one will take you seriously. I don't think anyone was though
Well apricity is a place where idiocy, trolling, seriousness all converge into a big mess of retarded hilarity. Everyone trolls to some extent. Even the board admins. I do indulge in it sometimes. Especially in non serious threads. But i'm not mary or POI or han cholo.

[StonyArabia]

Bedouins aren't more native to Iraq than anyone else. So your argument fails, son. Your nigga tribe the shemar aren't native by your own admission, of them immigrating from the gulf arab states.

I am speaking about Bedouin tribes as whole. Most of the Shammar migrated to Iraq and Syria around the 19th century, although some clans migrated in the 17th century. As a whole the Iraqi Arab population is of Bedouin stock. The native Iraqi Arab population is Bedouin because they are the ones who repopulated Iraq after the Mongol and Timurid devastating invasions. Like the Bani Tamim, Bani Truf, Bani Lam, Al-Muntafaq, Al-Saudan, Banu Kaab, and many others. It's no wonder that we cluster with Jordanians and other Arabians. However during Qajar times there was Persian migration especially to Baghdad and the holy cities, and not mention other ethnic group present in Baghdad, however the rest of Iraq is pred-Bedouin. The Mesopotamians are long gone, and if the Babylonians were from Arabia, there was not much of a demographic change. Our commonality with Assyrians is the the Semitic language only, which originated in Arabia, and our commonality with Iranics is religion, but our common bloodline is with Jordanians and other Arabians. This why western Iraqi Bedouins often strongly associate themselves with Jordanians and other nearby Bedouin groups and people of Arabia. Well Southern Iraqi Bedouins often tie themselves to the Gulf region of Arabia, due to cultural similarities. Thus in the end we are people of Arabian stock.

[Iron Sheik]

I am speaking about Bedouin tribes as whole. Most of the Shammar migrated to Iraq and Syria around the 19th century, although some clans migrated in the 17th century. As a whole the Iraqi Arab population is of Bedouin stock. The native Iraqi Arab population is Bedouin because they are the ones who repopulated Iraq after the Mongol and Timurid devastating invasions. Like the Bani Tamim, Bani Truf, Bani Lam, Al-Muntafaq, Al-Saudan, Banu Kaab, and many others. It's no wonder that we cluster with Jordanians and other Arabians. However during Qajar times there was Persian migration especially to Baghdad and the holy cities, and not mention other ethnic group present in Baghdad, however the rest of Iraq is pred-Bedouin. The Mesopotamians are long gone, and if the Babylonians were from Arabia, there was not much of a demographic change. Our commonality with Assyrians is the the Semitic language only, which originated in Arabia, and our commonality with Iranics is religion, but our common bloodline is with Jordanians and other Arabians. This why western Iraqi Bedouins often strongly associate themselves with Jordanians and other nearby Bedouin groups and people of Arabia. Well Southern Iraqi Bedouins often tie themselves to the Gulf region of Arabia, due to cultural similarities. Thus in the end we are people of Arabian stock.
Lol. Again genetic evidence.

[StonyArabia]

Lol. Again genetic evidence.

Like I said dude, we have the genetic evidence that shows Iraqi Arabs to be Bedouin, some are not because they come from either the north or the shrine cities. We also have dental remains that shows their is difference in the denture of Iraqi Arabs from that of Persians, Kurds, Armenians, Assyrians ect. Yet the dental matches with Jordanians, Saudis, and Negev as well Yemeni Jews, what more evidence you want lol.

[Profileid]

Like I said dude, we have the genetic evidence that shows Iraqi Arabs to be Bedouin, some are not because they come from either the north or the shrine cities. We also have dental remains that shows their is difference in the denture of Iraqi Arabs from that of Persians, Kurds, Armenians, Assyrians ect. Yet the dental matches with Jordanians, Saudis, and Negev as well Yemeni Jews, what more evidence you want lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Arabs#Link_to_Sumerians_and_Akkadians
You would have to do a hell of a lot of killing to kill off all the descendants of the Sumerians.

[StonyArabia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Arabs#Link_to_Sumerians_and_Akkadians
You would have to do a hell of a lot of killing to kill off all the descendants of the Sumerians.

Marsh Arabs speak a Bedouin dialect and their tribes belong to the noteable Bedouin tribes. This is all speculation.