What the Balkans might have looked like if the Ottomans never came

[poiuytrewq0987]

Personally I think the Bulgarians would've eventually been re-subjugated by the Byzantines and eventually Hellenized, and probably the rest of the peninsula would've been Hellenized by the Empire too. Oh, Muslims and mosques here wouldn't exist too.

[Tyrrhenoi]

Personally I think the Bulgarians would've eventually been re-subjugated by the Byzantines and eventually Hellenized, and probably the rest of the peninsula would've been Hellenized by the Empire too. Oh, Muslims and mosques here wouldn't exist too.

I think you are asking the wrong question here. You better be asking:
How the balkans would have looked like if comunism and soviet's never came :thumb001:

[poiuytrewq0987]

I think you are asking the wrong question here. You better be asking:
How the balkans would have looked like if comunism and soviet's never came :thumb001:

While the weaker peoples (Romanians and Bulgarians) were subjugated to Stalinist Communism (Liberal Communism) but Western Balkans were blessed with Titoist Communism (National Communism). I don't view Titoism/National Communism as a bad thing as it propelled Yugoslavia to be one of the most militarily powerful, influential nations in the world up until the 1980s when everything began to fall apart over petty nationalism and the lack of will to put down nationalist revolutionaries by the Yugoslav leadership. If Yugoslavia didn't disintegrate, it would've joined the EEC and eventually became part of the European Union and Yugoslavia would be using the Euro today. Basically if Yugoslavia held out through the financial storm that burdened the nation things would've gotten better and it would've been for the better.

[Daos]

Actually, we had National Communism here...


After 1953, the Romanian Communists did not apply De-Stalinization, and, in time, theorized a "national path" to Communism. This nationalist and national communist stance was continued under the leadership of Nicolae Ceauşescu.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Actually, we had National Communism here...

Tito's defiance certainly emboldened Ceausescu and encouraged him to take a more nationalist path but his politics was still strongly Stalinist with sprinklings of Titoism.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Tito_and_President_Caucescu_of_Romania.jpg/563px-Tito_and_President_Caucescu_of_Romania.jpg

[Tyrrhenoi]

I don't agree with you... Tito governed the nation like a puppetmaster - when he died - the nation fel apart.

If comunism hadn't reached Yugoslavia the segregation of ethnicities would have been less-bloody and more peacefull - (and led by NATO and the EEG)- financial and economicly stronger.

I think this is a pointless - 'what if ' conversation.

Military Yugo was strong - but how about financial aspects? Yugoslavia had a minor economy compared with nations like Italy - France etc.

[poiuytrewq0987]

I don't agree with you... Tito gouverned the nation like a puppetmaster - when he died - the nation fel apart.

If comunism hadn't reached Yugoslavia the segregation of ethnicities would have been less-bloody and more peacefull - and (led by NATO)- financial and economicly stronger.

I think this is a pointless - 'what if ' conversation.

Military Yugo was strong - but how about financial? Yugoslavia had a minor economy compared with nations like Italy - France etc.

Socialist Yugoslavia had to start from nothing. Its economy was totally devastated post-war and whatever industry it had from its monarchy period was completely destroyed. Tito managed to lead the six republics from the drenches of devastation to a world power militarily and financially. The GDP of Yugoslavia in 1991 was $120 billion but in 2010 dollars that would be $190 billion. That's nothing short of impressive for a nation that started with nothing. If Yugoslavia didn't collapse and joined the EEC (which later transformed into the EU), if its GDP grew by a steady 10% per year, barring any economic miracles -- its GDP today would be $360 billion (I suck at math so correct me if I'm wrong :D) with a very high GDP per capita means high living standards among the six republics in Yugoslavia.

[Lithium]

You are sick, why don't you try to find some help?

[poiuytrewq0987]

You are sick, why don't you try to find some help?

Fuck off skinny midget