Eurogenes K6 Population Averages and Maps (Indo-European and Old/New Neolithic run)

[Longbowman]

So I've compiled population averages (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0FIshJWvB_WEkxZmBwuV21gQ7fAnsKyCm0XNU2TzH0/pubhtml) from the new K6 run spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fKE6hbeXUWYEUZIBiU8QKIktHmNNC5NE4wJk3NsTuyY/edit#gid=1448840466). I haven't quite done the Pathans or various Tadjiks yet but I will tomorrow. If you're still reading the previous sentence those populations haven't been added yet, but it's 95% done.

I included my name as a watermark because people were sharing my last one and took my maps without giving credit.

Maps to follow.

[Longbowman]

Yamnaya-related.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2m76q2r.png
http://i58.tinypic.com/ibxdfd.jpg

I made a slight mistake, more of southern Greece should be cyan. Anyhow this shows Albanians holding out against the Indo-European wave better than their Slavic neighbours, which is perhaps to be expected. The Basques barely differ in it from their neighbours (though they differ in other respects). The lowest scoring population were the Samaritans; in general non-Indo-European populations in Arabia scored poorly (residual remains from Hitties and Crusaders?) whereas non-Indo-European Udmurts outscored everyone, and Sardinians got a very low score, too. Noticeably low scores for Southern Italy and Armenia (both nominally Indo-European populations).

[Sikeliot]

If Greek_Thessaly is a good proxy for northern mainland Greece, they score almost identical to Albanians, except actually having 1% less Middle East than Albanians, and 1% extra pre-Yamnaya and Yamnaya.

Central Greece is most similar to Abruzzo, but I know that cluster includes Athenians who may have origins outside of mainland Greece.

Then you have the Sicilians, southern Italians, and I assume the Cretans and Dodecanese islanders would score in their range. The Sicilians and especially South Italians (a Calabrese sample) have much higher MENA and a significant amount less Yamnaya than the Greeks and Albanians.

If you look at "Greek", some of them score as low as 24% Middle East, who I suspect to be far northern mainlanders; others score in the South Italian range, and 2 outliers score higher, which might imply Pontian, Anatolian, or Cypriot admixture going by most likely scenario.

[Longbowman]

Middle Eastern:

http://i61.tinypic.com/a5gmlh.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/14xnds0.jpg

Almost absent in the North but quite relevant, even co-modal, in Southern Europe, you can see immense cut-offs between Slavs and Albanians and Greeks, Iberians and the French, Italians and non-Italians, etc. Very Mediterranean component. Clearly not Early Neolithic, more of a recent arrival. Note relatively low (still second highest) in Sardinia and almost complete absence amongst Basques. Particularly strong in southern Italy, almost 50%. Note also relatively high amounts in the Balaerics and the parts of Sicily that had strong Phoenician settlement, then note the high levels in Jews, Samaritans and other Levantines.

[Longbowman]

Pre-Yamnaya:

http://i57.tinypic.com/2emq83b.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/facspl.jpg

Original Neolithic component. Low scores in Eastern Middle East, but note strong co-modal scores in the Levant. Co-modal across Europe. Barely changes from Greece to Russia to Iceland. Stronger in the West, where it was better retained against second-wave Neolithic migration, possibly. Peaks in Sardinia, also very strong in the Basque Country and to a lesser extent the rest of Spain. In all of these, plus France and England, it constitutes a majority of the overall score. I would consider this the 'European Neolithic component.' In general, peaks in the west - absent in the far East.

[Sikeliot]

Middle Eastern:

http://i61.tinypic.com/a5gmlh.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/14xnds0.jpg

Almost absent in the North but quite relevant, even co-modal, in Southern Europe, you can see immense cut-offs between Slavs and Albanians and Greeks, Iberians and the French, Italians and non-Italians, etc. Very Mediterranean component.


If you look at the individual results though, some Bulgarians do score Albanian/Greek range for this component, and some Greeks score low to mid 20 percents. So there is overlap even though the averages are different.

[Faklon]

but I know that cluster includes Athenians who may have origins outside of mainland Greece.
Source?


If Central Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Greece_%28region%29) represents this area,my guess would be Euboeans which may make some justice to cultural and regional/geographical affinity(island) and some non-very relevant physiognomical stereotypes.Interestingly one sample scores more Yamna than any Thessalian and 5 more are in a similar spectrum but the other 4 are different,however it's more like they form two spectrums than absolute diversity.

LM,I remember you had some debate about the origin of the samples.
Did you get anything on it?


Middle Eastern

May be related to this (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?165674-Some-things-from-the-Aegean-Palatial-Civlizations) Malus posted.


Highest genetic differences shows between the early to late Neolithic. Mid/Late Neo to Bronze Age has a low fst



Damn,this thread got Sikeliotized quickly.

[Longbowman]

If you check the 'Greek' sample it obviously contains everything from Islanders to Macedonians. It's a country-wide average.

[Sikeliot]

If you check the 'Greek' sample it obviously contains everything from Islanders to Macedonians. It's a country-wide average.

And one with 66% Middle Eastern which could very possibly be Pontian (compare to Georgian averages to see).

[Faklon]

If you check the 'Greek' sample it obviously contains everything from Islanders to Macedonians. It's a country-wide average.

I'm speaking for the "Central_Greek" sample where you more or less have two clusters,one in Thessalian levels and one with circa 8% less Yamna-related drift.

"Greek" shows diversity and can include anything to Hellenism in Trabzon I presume.

[Sikeliot]

"Greek" can include anything to Hellenism in Trabzon I presume.

And it must. There are a few people with abnormally high MENA.

On the "Greek" averages we have some in the 40% range. I suspect these are some of the Cretans, Dodecanese and whatnot.

[Faklon]

And it must. There are a few people with abnormally high MENA.

On the "Greek" averages we have some in the 40% range. I suspect these are some of the Cretans, Dodecanese and whatnot.

Stop spamming.

[Longbowman]

I'm speaking for the "Central_Greek" where you more or less have two spetrums,one in Thessalian levels and one with circa 8% less Yamna-related drift.

"Greek" can include anything to Hellenism in Trabzon I presume.

You'd have to ask Davidski for confirmation but some islanders probably have 8%, look at Cyprus.

[Sikeliot]

You'd have to ask Davidski for confirmation but some islanders probably have 8%, look at Cyprus.


My best guess is islanders would be in the 8-12% range.

I don't see why we would think they'd approach Cypriot levels though. The best proxy is probably "East Sicily" or "South Italy".

[Sikeliot]

These might be islanders, judging by their similarity to the Sicilians and South Italians (but this is just conjecture, don't take it too seriously)

Greek17H: Yamnaya 13.1%, Middle East 44%, Pre-Yamnaya 41.7%
Greek18H; Yamnaya 15%, Middle East 47.9%, Pre-Yamnaya; 34.6%
Greek19H; Yamnaya 14.8%, Middle East 42.1%, Pre-Yamnaya 41.1%
NA17375; Yamnaya 15.35, Middle East 44.9%, Pre-Yamnaya 35.6%


This one is probably Pontian;

NA17374; Yamnaya 8.3%, Middle East 66.6%, Pre-Yamnaya 23.9%

[pelikarski]

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[Longbowman]

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[Cristiano viejo]

Middle Eastern:

http://i61.tinypic.com/a5gmlh.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/14xnds0.jpg

Almost absent in the North but quite relevant, even co-modal, in Southern Europe, you can see immense cut-offs between Slavs and Albanians and Greeks, Iberians and the French, Italians and non-Italians, etc. Very Mediterranean component. Clearly not Early Neolithic, more of a recent arrival. Note relatively low (still second highest) in Sardinia and almost complete absence amongst Basques. Particularly strong in southern Italy, almost 50%. Note also relatively high amounts in the Balaerics and the parts of Sicily that had strong Phoenician settlement, then note the high levels in Jews, Samaritans and other Levantines.
Immense cutt off? How is that? French score 10% and most of Spanish 11%, 12%, 13% and even some Spanish 2%.

[Longbowman]

Immense cutt off? How is that? French score 10% and most of Spanish 11%, 12%, 13% and even some Spanish 2%.

Only the Basque score 2%.

[Cristiano viejo]

Only the Basque score 2%.

Ok but I dont see an immense cutt off. French 10%, most of Spaniards 11%, 12%, 13%...

[Full_Frontal]

Ok but I dont see an immense cutt off. French 10%, most of Spaniards 11%, 12%, 13%...

look at ssa

berber rape in iberia made ssa rise to 3%

[Longbowman]

Ok but I dont see an immense cutt off. French 10%, most of Spaniards 11%, 12%, 13%...

True. I was only looking at the South French score.

[Cristiano viejo]

look at ssa

berber rape in iberia made ssa rise to 3%

For start, Berbers were not SSA, retard :lol:

[Lusos]

look at ssa

berber rape in iberia made ssa rise to 3%

Said the German Gypo combo.

[Full_Frontal]

For start, Berbers were not SSA, retard :lol:

no but they carried ssa when they raped in iberia, far and wide

berbers carry ssa today also as do all arabs

the only south european country with ssa is spain because its the only one conquered by africans, see morjani study

iberia is a pure mediterannean country with negro blood, as said by many anthropologists

[Longbowman]

no but they carried ssa when they raped in iberia, far and wide

berbers carry ssa today also as do all arabs

the only south european country with ssa is spain because its the only one conquered by africans, see morjani study

iberia is a pure mediterannean country with negro blood, as said by many anthropologists

Sicily has SSA.

[Full_Frontal]

Sicily has SSA.

also conquered by arabs

the middle eastern is probably mostly late neolithic with a few percentages of historic migrations

but all the other late neolithic admixtured peoples like the balkans with 30-20% of middle eastern have 0% ssa while early modern middle easterns have quite a bit of ssa so its not historic but ancient, as said before in this thread using data from greece as proofs
if even greece is so then balkans are 100% pure

but in iberia it is different, moors raped it and now it has ssa and middle eastern without having late neolithic as that came from the east and iberia is in the far west

they are an african race

[Longbowman]

also conquered by arabs

the middle eastern is probably mostly late neolithic with a few percentages of historic migrations

but all the other late neolithic admixtured peoples like the balkans with 30-20% of middle eastern have 0% ssa while early modern middle easterns have quite a bit of ssa so its not historic but ancient, as said before in this thread using data from greece as proofs
if even greece is so then balkans are 100% pure

but in iberia it is different, moors raped it and now it has ssa and middle eastern without having late neolithic as that came from the east and iberia is in the far west

they are an african race

Middle Eastern will mostly be late Neolithic, yes.

2% African doesn't make you African even if that SSA is recent.

[Full_Frontal]

Middle Eastern will mostly be late Neolithic, yes.

2% African doesn't make you African even if that SSA is recent.

it's very non european though and even berbers have 10% ssa

if ssa in iberia is 3% in some regions that means that rapes were extensive and they are as much as 1/3rd berber!!!!!!!!!

very african, even a kind of mulatto

if lusos and christian viejo post their faces you will see african all over them

[Longbowman]

it's very non european though and even berbers have 10% ssa

if ssa in iberia is 3% in some regions that means that rapes were extensive and they are as much as 1/3rd berber!!!!!!!!!

very african, even a kind of mulatto

if lusos and christian viejo post their faces you will see african all over them

Berbers are more like 25% SSA (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml) though it varies by tribe.

I've seen CV's face, it doesn't look SSA admixed.

[Cristiano viejo]

no but they carried ssa when they raped in iberia, far and wide
False, Berbers were white when they invaded Iberia. Raped? only in your Gypsy dreams.


berbers carry ssa today also as do all arabs
Now yes, in the 711 not, illiterate.


the only south european country with ssa is spain because its the only one conquered by africans, see morjani study
False.

iberia is a pure mediterannean country with negro blood, as said by many anthropologists
You wish it, Gypsy.

[Full_Frontal]

Berbers are more like 25% SSA (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml) though it varies by tribe.

I've seen CV's face, it doesn't look SSA admixed.

what about other tribes?

the negro blood of iberia is well documented and now also by genetics

forgive me but i do not trust a man who defends mulattoes to make a judgement on the purity of someone, if he could show his face that would be great and science could be made...

[Cristiano viejo]

what about other tribes?

the negro blood of iberia is well documented and now also by genetics

forgive me but i do not trust a man who defends mulattoes to make a judgement on the purity of someone, if he could show his face that would be great and science could be made...
People here know how my face is, for your disgrace.
Now, accept that the percentage of MENA in your country is twice the mine and we will be happy.

[Longbowman]

what about other tribes?

the negro blood of iberia is well documented and now also by genetics

forgive me but i do not trust a man who defends mulattoes to make a judgement on the purity of someone, if he could show his face that would be great and science could be made...

None will be as low as 10%.

Either way, most of Iberia scores less than 2%, only a little higher than South Italy.

I think it's most likely ancient, or the result of trade relationships from across the Mediterranean.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

People here know how my face is, for your disgrace.
Now, accept that the percentage of MENA in your country is twice the mine and we will be happy.

Not only of MENA but Mongoloid admixture also from the Ottoman empire.

[Cristiano viejo]

All of Spaniards and some Portuguese who have posted their dna results here scored 0% of SSA and MENA blood (Gaita, Gold Fénix, Fresa Salvaje, Endovélico, that Azorean girl...).
Even the Canarian user did not score SSA blood.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

All of Spaniards and some Portuguese who have posted their dna results here scored 0% of SSA and MENA blood (Gaita, Gold Fénix, Fresa Salvaje, Endovélico, that Azorean girl...).
Even the Canarian user did not score SSA blood.

Their DNA results are what screws them haters man, lol. les jode. sabe por que.

[Full_Frontal]

False, Berbers were white when they invaded Iberia. Raped? only in your Gypsy dreams.


Now yes, in the 711 not, illiterate.


False.

You wish it, Gypsy.


all of what i said is true

ssa exists in the middle east since the arab conquest thats the admixture date as per moorjani

if you don't believe me look up the studies

you are a mulatto

[Full_Frontal]

Not only of MENA but Mongoloid admixture also from the Ottoman empire.

mongoloid DNA in balkans is from bulgar tribes, not ottoman ones and non-bulgars such as albanians, serbs or greeks do not have it thus it cannot be turkish-MENA

it can be some anatolian from antiquity though such as hittite

but you are black admixed as anthropology and genetics have shown

[Cristiano viejo]

all of what i said is true

ssa exists in the middle east since the arab conquest thats the admixture date as per moorjani

if you don't believe me look up the studies

you are a mulatto

True? You wish it, as I have said, all Iberians who posted their results scored 0% SSA. Even Sikeliot posted recently some Spanish results and the same :icon_lol:
In the other hand we have your country full of West Asian-Gypsy-MENA blood being a hole in Europe, racially, economically and culturally :) (anthropology and genetics have shown)

[Nurzat]

my result


K6

Yamnaya_related 0.39833
WHG_extra 0.034876
ENA 0.017801
Middle_Eastern 0.137626
Pre-Yamnaya 0.40428
Sub-Saharan 0.007086

strong 40% Yamnaya :D

[Peterski]

Where can I download the calculator files?

[Bellbeaking]

Where can I download the calculator files?

i too want to know

[Polischuk]

Where can i find eurogenes k6 software?