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Dragoon
05-06-2015, 09:52 PM
My family has tried both 23andme and ftdna.

My autosomal dna was done by ftdna.
I got almost completely European/Eastern European (98%) with a tiny amount of Middle Eastern/Asia Minor/Anatolia (2%).

My brother had his done by 23andme.
He got mostly Eastern European (69%), a good portion of Nonspecific European(25%), and tiny amounts of Ashkenazi (3%) and Nonspecific Northern European(3%)

1)Is it normal for results to be this significantly different between two sources for siblings? Shouldn't results be similar?
2)Somewhere I read that ftdna is still working on their autosomal dna results and 23andme is more accurate for Europeans. How true is this?
3)Can the Nonspecific European portion actually be Eastern European?
4)Why do my results give a tiny amount of Middle Eastern, and his gives a tiny amount of Ashkenazim?

Not a Cop
05-06-2015, 11:16 PM
1)Is it normal for results to be this significantly different between two sources for siblings? Shouldn't results be similar?
2)Somewhere I read that ftdna is still working on their autosomal dna results and 23andme is more accurate for Europeans. How true is this?
3)Can the Nonspecific European portion actually be Eastern European?
4)Why do my results give a tiny amount of Middle Eastern, and his gives a tiny amount of Ashkenazim?

1) your results are most likely similar, it's a way companies interpret it is different, try gedmatch.
3) yes
4) Most likely it's the same segments, just ftdna see it as ME, and 23andme as ashkenazi, i'd rather trust 23andme.

Thrax
05-07-2015, 12:37 PM
My sister and I score differently in 23andme. I score 61.2% balkan, 1.6% northern and 2.5% eastern, while she scores 93.5% balkan with 0 northern and eastern.

Dragoon
07-13-2015, 08:56 PM
My GEDMatch results:

K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 53.53
2 Atlantic_Med 23.63
3 Caucasus 13.43
4 Gedrosia 4.41
5 Southwest_Asian 2.07
6 South_Asian 1.47
7 Siberian 1
8 Northwest_African 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 6.37
2 Polish (Dodecad) 10.07
3 German (Dodecad) 11
4 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 11.44
5 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 12.37
6 Swedish (Dodecad) 14.62
7 Russian (Dodecad) 15.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80% Hungarians (Behar) + 20% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.08
2 81.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 18.9% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.1
3 71.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 28.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.15
4 80.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 19.7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.21
5 51% German (Dodecad) + 49% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.25
6 78% Hungarians (Behar) + 22% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.26
7 62.1% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 37.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.31

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EUtest V2 K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.65
2 North_Sea 22.67
3 Atlantic 16.17
4 Eastern_Euro 16.13
5 West_Med 6.71
6 West_Asian 4.5
7 East_Med 4.04
8 South_Asian 1.96
9 Red_Sea 0.55
10 Oceanian 0.39
11 Amerindian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 2.6
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 2.78
3 Ukrainian 3.48
4 Polish 5.17
5 Croatian 6.74
6 Russian_Smolensk 6.99
7 Hungarian 7.79
8 Southwest_Russian 7.93
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.96
10 Belorussian 8.26
11 Estonian_Polish 8.83
12 Moldavian 8.87
13 Estonian 9.16
14 East_German 10.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.3% Hungarian + 40.7% Lithuanian @ 1.48
2 90.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 9.3% North_German @ 2.06
3 82.7% South_Polish + 17.3% Hungarian @ 2.06
4 84.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.1% Austrian @ 2.08
5 92.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 7.3% Irish @ 2.11
6 92% Ukrainian_Lviv + 8% Danish @ 2.12
7 92.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 7.1% West_Scottish @ 2.13
8 92.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 7.3% Southeast_English @ 2.14
9 54.9% South_Polish + 45.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.15
10 92.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 7.4% North_Dutch @ 2.21
11 51.6% Hungarian + 48.4% Belorussian @ 2.22
12 98.3% South_Polish + 1.7% Sakilli @ 2.23
13 98.2% South_Polish + 1.8% Velamas @ 2.23
14 98.2% South_Polish + 1.8% Dusadh @ 2.23
15 93.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 6.2% Orcadian @ 2.23
16 98.2% South_Polish + 1.8% Chenchu @ 2.23
17 98.3% South_Polish + 1.7% Piramalai @ 2.23
18 98.3% South_Polish + 1.7% Kurumba @ 2.24
19 98.3% South_Polish + 1.7% Chamar @ 2.24
20 92.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 7.8% South_Dutch @ 2.24

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JTest


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SOUTH_BALTIC 27.36
2 EAST_EURO 19.68
3 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 17.95
4 ATLANTIC 13.15
5 WEST_MED 7.57
6 ASHKENAZI 5.24
7 EAST_MED 5.11
8 WEST_ASIAN 2.32
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.62

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 PL 4.32
2 UA 4.42
3 Ukrainian-Russian 6.07
4 West_Russian 6.54
5 Belorussian 7.82
6 HU 9.6
7 Northwest_Russian 10.26
8 EE 10.55


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.5% PL + 8.5% AJ @ 2.47
2 91.4% UA + 8.6% AJ @ 2.59
3 78.6% UA + 21.4% AT @ 2.73
4 81.2% Belorussian + 18.8% Tuscan @ 2.84
5 89.7% UA + 10.3% PT @ 3
6 55.8% Belorussian + 44.2% HU @ 3.03
7 90.8% UA + 9.2% Tuscan @ 3.05
8 92.2% PL + 7.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.06
9 88.4% UA + 11.6% FR @ 3.06
10 76.3% Northwest_Russian + 23.7% Tuscan @ 3.08

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MDLP World-22

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 59.29
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 23.59
3 West-Asian 6.91
4 Near_East 3.12
5 North-European-Mesolithic 2.14
6 Samoedic 1.48
7 Indian 1.04
8 Indo-Iranian 0.96
9 Arctic-Amerind 0.83
10 South-America_Amerind 0.59
11 Mesoamerican 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovakian (derived) 2.81
2 Ukrainian-West (derived) 3.65
3 Czech (derived) 4.73
4 Ukrainian_V (derived) 4.99
5 Croatian_V (derived) 5.27
6 Ukrainian-Center (derived) 5.8
7 Sorb (derived) 6.85
8 Slovenian (derived) 7.43
9 German (derived) 7.44
10 Belarusian_V (derived) 7.45


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.8% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 16.2% CEU (derived) @ 1.26
2 77.7% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 22.3% German_V (derived) @ 1.28
3 78.3% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 21.7% CEU_V (derived) @ 1.32
4 84.6% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 15.4% British (derived) @ 1.33
5 77.1% Belarusian_V (derived) + 22.9% Romania (derived) @ 1.38
6 88.4% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 11.6% French (derived) @ 1.38
7 68.4% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 31.6% German (derived) @ 1.4
8 68.4% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 31.6% Slovenian (derived) @ 1.4
9 85.6% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 14.4% German-South (derived) @ 1.42
10 77.5% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 22.5% Austrian (derived) @ 1.43

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MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 48.86
2 Caucasian 30.09
3 European_Early_Farmers 9.29
4 South_Central_Asian 4.72
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.02
6 Amerindian 1.02
7 Subsaharian 0.86
8 Near_East 0.67
9 North_African 0.64
10 Melano_Polynesian 0.56
11 East_African 0.22
12 South_Indian 0.04