Stonehenge - what is consensus here

[coolstorybro]

What is Apricity consensus about Stonehenge?

Who built it and why and when was it built?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

There's not really a consensus in the mainstream, and most people here don't seem to care.

It's part of the megalithic continuum that traces back its earliest examples to almost 15k years ago in north africa. Until 6k years ago this was inhabited by nordic people with U and V mtdna, and was thriving grassland. After that it started to nig up, especially around roman times, though it's not really black even today and there's Irish-like people in the mountains of north africa to this day.

Since we now know that H mtdna has been in europe all along, I am guessing that 12k years ago southern europe and northen africa were filled with pastoralist people with r1b y-dna. I am not sure if they built the megaliths though, it could have been G y-dna people as well.

[Buchan]

The Druid Merlin and twenty-or-so thousand knights, under King Ambrosius, built Stonehedge to honour those slain in battle against the Saxons, obviously.

[coolstorybro]

There's not really a consensus in the mainstream, and most people here don't seem to care.

It's part of the megalithic continuum that traces back its earliest examples to almost 15k years ago in north africa. Until 6k years ago this was inhabited by nordic people with U and V mtdna, and was thriving grassland. After that it started to nig up, especially around roman times, though it's not really black even today and there's Irish-like people in the mountains of north africa to this day.

Since we now know that H mtdna has been in europe all along, I am guessing that 12k years ago southern europe and northen africa were filled with pastoralist people with r1b y-dna. I am not sure if they built the megaliths though, it could have been G y-dna people as well.

Do you believe in the Doggerland connection hypothesis?

Seafaring people?

[Loki]

There's not really a consensus in the mainstream, and most people here don't seem to care.

It's part of the megalithic continuum that traces back its earliest examples to almost 15k years ago in north africa. Until 6k years ago this was inhabited by nordic people with U and V mtdna, and was thriving grassland. After that it started to nig up, especially around roman times, though it's not really black even today and there's Irish-like people in the mountains of north africa to this day.

Since we now know that H mtdna has been in europe all along, I am guessing that 12k years ago southern europe and northen africa were filled with pastoralist people with r1b y-dna. I am not sure if they built the megaliths though, it could have been G y-dna people as well.

It's not as old as that. The oldest known structure on earth is Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, which is 11,000 - 12,000 years old. It is far more advanced than Stonehenge, and far older. Even older than the oldest pyramids in Egypt.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

It's not as old as that.

I wasn't talking about stonehenge, but the start of megalithic culture.



The oldest known structure on earth is Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, which is 11,000 - 12,000 years old.


That's not true, there are older. Malta is older and some megalithic-like sites in north africa are 15k years old at least.



It is far more advanced than Stonehenge, and far older. Even older than the oldest pyramids in Egypt.

The pyramids are not very old and not that impressive compared to many other things some of which we could not build today.

[Rædwald]

Three of the oldest known buildings in the world are in France.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Barnenez_front2.jpg/450px-Barnenez_front2.jpg

What do you think of Barnenez?

[Buchan]

Three of the oldest known buildings in the world are in France.

What do you think of Barnenez?

Be off with you, frog.

[Jackson]

It evolved over a number of phases, starting around 3100 BC and finishing in around 1600 BC. Were wooden structures there prior to the stone ones as well, and it was re-arranged multiple times.

[Rædwald]

Be off with you, frog.

:)

[Svipdag]

Stonehenge was built by the Neolithic inhabitants of the British Isles. Although it was modified over time, it is of Neolithic origin. It is a huge astronomical instrument, related (remotely) to the astrolabe, and, more closely, to the sundial. It can be used as a clock and a calendar. Its
primary uses were to determine the best times to plant crops, when certain fish would be running in the rivers, when to breed for healthy offspring, and the most auspicious times for journeys, and military campaigns.

Stonhenge had nothing to do with the Druids except that they found uses for it millennia after it was built by and for others .

When and by Whom are less intriguing than HOW . The cross piece joining the monoliths must have been very hard to raise. Personally, I think that earthen ramps were built to the tops of the uprights and the cross-pieces were hauled up and slid into place on sledges.
This is probably how the dolmens were erected in, e.g. Brittany. It begs the question of just how the vertical stones were transported and set on end.

My personal opinion is that they were dragged on sledges, possibly with tree trunks placed under them as rollers. Unless they had some kind of draught animals, for which there is no evidence, the manpower required is awesome. I think that they must have been pulled upright against a steep-sided earthen embankment.

[Loki]

That's not true, there are older. Malta is older and some megalithic-like sites in north africa are 15k years old at least.


Not there aren't older. Or if they are, they are far more privitive and don't point to any sort of civilization. You should do some reading on the matter before making claims off-hand:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

Topographic scans have revealed that other structures next to the hill, awaiting excavation, probably date to 14-15 thousand years ago, the dates of which potentially extend backwards in time to the concluding millennia of the Pleistocene.

There is no older site on earth which is this advanced.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0ZkgqM1TE

[Graham]

Three of the oldest known buildings in the world are in France.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Barnenez_front2.jpg/450px-Barnenez_front2.jpg

What do you think of Barnenez?
Reminds me of Camster, which goes back 5000 years.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1198/1411857576_a8ac6af0f4_b.jpghttps://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2827/9680211143_cee19e697a_b.jpg

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Not there aren't older. Or if they are, they are far more privitive and don't point to any sort of civilization. You should do some reading on the matter before making claims off-hand:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

Topographic scans have revealed that other structures next to the hill, awaiting excavation, probably date to 14-15 thousand years ago, the dates of which potentially extend backwards in time to the concluding millennia of the Pleistocene.

There is no older site on earth which is this advanced.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0ZkgqM1TE

It's a well preserved site because it's far inland and the natives intentionally buried it, not the most advanced or oldest. Most of the really interesting sites from 12k years plus are probably now 300-400 feet underwater due to the glaciers melting.