Prisoner Of Ice
05-11-2015, 09:04 PM
http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/
Finally we get some ancient DNA from the French demarcation, which should be one of the focus of the research, because of the importance of the territory of the French state in European paleo-history since the depths of the Paleolithic.
This data set is, in spite of its limitations, most important because it seems to support the notion of Megalithism being an important factor in the formation of European populations as we know them.
I strongly recommend reading the whole paper because it does not only deal with the genetic aspects but also offers excellent background on the archaeological context of the region to which these (non-monumental) burials belong to.
Finally indeed, I mean holy shit all these years and no one bothered to check the most obvious source of european ancestry.
The studied sample comes from Gurgy (NW Burgundy, near Auxerre) and is very large: 55 successful SNP-defined haplogroups, 39 HVS-I sequences, including 27 distinct haplotypes. The burials are dated to the 6th millennium BCE, when the area was reached by Neolithic. The following haplogroups were found (table S1):
HV: 22, of which:
V - 2 (4%)
H - 20 (36%), of which:
H* - 6
H1 - 10
H3 - 4
U - 20, of which:
U* - 3 (5%)
U4 - 1 (2%)
U5 - 5 (9%)
K - 11 (20%)
JT - 8, of which:
J - 6 (11%)
J* - 4
J1 - 2
T - 2 (4%)
X - 2 (4%)
N1a - 3 (5%)
For some reason the total I get from table S1 is 51 individual haplogroups instead of the 55 expected ones. I have double and triple-checked and can't find the four missing sequences, sorry. Count corrected (May 9): there were indeed 55 sequences (my bad).
In any case the mtDNA pool is surprisingly "modern" with most haplogroups in very similar frequencies from what we would find in present day Western European populations. This is not at all like what was found in Germany's Neolithic, at least initially, characterized by low frequencies of H and high frequencies of presently rare haplogroups like N1a, being instead more similar in its "modernity" to what has been found in the Basque Country (see HERE for a quick reference).
This suggests that we have in Neolithic Europe the following regions, judging on the "modernity" of their mtDNA pools (only):
Central Europe (Germany, Hungary): low H, clearly "pre-modern"
Mid-Western Europe (France, Basque Country): normal H and roughly also other lineages, almost "modern"
Portugal: seemingly very high H, "hyper-modern"
And this strongly hints again, along with the early presence of lactose tolerance among Chalcolithic Basques and the massive consumption of dairies among British farmers (of North French origin) to an Atlantic Neolithic origin of at least the bulk of the genetic pool of modern Western Europeans.
Sadly for the fans of patrilineal genetics, no single Y-DNA sequence could be produced.
Mostly Danubian origins?
Paradoxically these early farmers from Burgundy do not seem strongly related to the South, at least not judging by the North Iberian data used as reference but rather to the Danubian Neolithic peoples of Germany instead. This is most apparent in the haplotype graph of fig. S7:
Anyway what this shows is that the mtdna was already 'modern' in megalithic france, full of H and V for example, which are the main mostly european-specific markers. H and V don't show in LBK until the end. LBK is already debunked as a source of modern european ancestry for a long time, anyway.
This also blows the kurgan bullshit out of the water as well. Since corded ware is r1a not r1b, yet people are claiming that corded ware descends from yamna this should have been pretty obvious anyway. Especially since the people found there were similar to the bashkir and udmurt that currently live in russia! If anything they proved that r1b traveled east, not west! It also can't have come from the east because there's no appropriate culture for it to come from - they all show r1a in that direction stretching to the dawn of time.
Anyway, more denials will come like usual but it's just a matter of time before we get megalithic r1b and it's over. Same area also shows the earliest lactose persistence...which all of europe has today pretty much. So yeah.
Finally we get some ancient DNA from the French demarcation, which should be one of the focus of the research, because of the importance of the territory of the French state in European paleo-history since the depths of the Paleolithic.
This data set is, in spite of its limitations, most important because it seems to support the notion of Megalithism being an important factor in the formation of European populations as we know them.
I strongly recommend reading the whole paper because it does not only deal with the genetic aspects but also offers excellent background on the archaeological context of the region to which these (non-monumental) burials belong to.
Finally indeed, I mean holy shit all these years and no one bothered to check the most obvious source of european ancestry.
The studied sample comes from Gurgy (NW Burgundy, near Auxerre) and is very large: 55 successful SNP-defined haplogroups, 39 HVS-I sequences, including 27 distinct haplotypes. The burials are dated to the 6th millennium BCE, when the area was reached by Neolithic. The following haplogroups were found (table S1):
HV: 22, of which:
V - 2 (4%)
H - 20 (36%), of which:
H* - 6
H1 - 10
H3 - 4
U - 20, of which:
U* - 3 (5%)
U4 - 1 (2%)
U5 - 5 (9%)
K - 11 (20%)
JT - 8, of which:
J - 6 (11%)
J* - 4
J1 - 2
T - 2 (4%)
X - 2 (4%)
N1a - 3 (5%)
For some reason the total I get from table S1 is 51 individual haplogroups instead of the 55 expected ones. I have double and triple-checked and can't find the four missing sequences, sorry. Count corrected (May 9): there were indeed 55 sequences (my bad).
In any case the mtDNA pool is surprisingly "modern" with most haplogroups in very similar frequencies from what we would find in present day Western European populations. This is not at all like what was found in Germany's Neolithic, at least initially, characterized by low frequencies of H and high frequencies of presently rare haplogroups like N1a, being instead more similar in its "modernity" to what has been found in the Basque Country (see HERE for a quick reference).
This suggests that we have in Neolithic Europe the following regions, judging on the "modernity" of their mtDNA pools (only):
Central Europe (Germany, Hungary): low H, clearly "pre-modern"
Mid-Western Europe (France, Basque Country): normal H and roughly also other lineages, almost "modern"
Portugal: seemingly very high H, "hyper-modern"
And this strongly hints again, along with the early presence of lactose tolerance among Chalcolithic Basques and the massive consumption of dairies among British farmers (of North French origin) to an Atlantic Neolithic origin of at least the bulk of the genetic pool of modern Western Europeans.
Sadly for the fans of patrilineal genetics, no single Y-DNA sequence could be produced.
Mostly Danubian origins?
Paradoxically these early farmers from Burgundy do not seem strongly related to the South, at least not judging by the North Iberian data used as reference but rather to the Danubian Neolithic peoples of Germany instead. This is most apparent in the haplotype graph of fig. S7:
Anyway what this shows is that the mtdna was already 'modern' in megalithic france, full of H and V for example, which are the main mostly european-specific markers. H and V don't show in LBK until the end. LBK is already debunked as a source of modern european ancestry for a long time, anyway.
This also blows the kurgan bullshit out of the water as well. Since corded ware is r1a not r1b, yet people are claiming that corded ware descends from yamna this should have been pretty obvious anyway. Especially since the people found there were similar to the bashkir and udmurt that currently live in russia! If anything they proved that r1b traveled east, not west! It also can't have come from the east because there's no appropriate culture for it to come from - they all show r1a in that direction stretching to the dawn of time.
Anyway, more denials will come like usual but it's just a matter of time before we get megalithic r1b and it's over. Same area also shows the earliest lactose persistence...which all of europe has today pretty much. So yeah.