Were Almost All The Top Nazi's Untermenschen?

[Anglojew]

The Nazi's made infamous the term "untermenschen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch)" (sub-human), from the term coined in the 1920s, to describe racially-inferior people.

From an objective standpoint, compared to an idealised Nordid, -or even the average northern European- where almost all the top Nazi's ugly sub-humans with questionable racial-characteristics?

Hermann Goering

http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/6/55805.jpg

Ilse Koch

http://mystery.bf-1.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Ilse-Koch.jpg

Joseph Goebbels

http://i.imgur.com/VNogg.jpg

Franz Stangl

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/8/8f/20131214221654!Stangl,_Franz.jpg

Paul Blobel

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/images/Blobel%20as%20an%20SS%20officer.jpg

Josef Kramer

http://www.mega.nu/ampp/martinls/martinls328/KRAMER.JPG

Ernst Kaltenbrunner

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0o1tqzK3r1r7f7xbo1_400.png

Friedrich Jeckeln

http://www.irekw.internetdsl.pl/Jeckelnfr.jpg

Oskar Dirlewanger

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/images/oskar%20dirlewanger.jpg

Adolf Eichmann (or possibly a younger Woody Allen)

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/oygZ0QyiRT0/hqdefault.jpg

Joseph Mengele

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/321/4/5/josef_mengele_4_by_kakudanworld-d4ghads.png

Reinhard Heydrich

http://img.aktualne.centrum.cz/517/22/5172205-atentat-na-heydricha.jpg

http://media.salon.com/2015/01/adolf_hitler2.jpg

Heinrich Himmler

http://41.media.tumblr.com/9d4093b7f345e23f257417e6527ecdf5/tumblr_nktpusF5461ty9n3po1_1280.jpg

[Ctwentysevenj]

Julius Streicher
http://www.historisches-lexikon-bayerns.de/image/artikel/artikel_44985_bilder_value_6_gauleiter2.jpg

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Only a couple stand out as hardcore untermensch like goebbles, blobel and himmler. Though it is hilarious how jewish eichmann looks.

Goering probably looked uber when younger, but not really 'nordic' type. The rest are kind of average for people who are not actors.

[Taiga Lake]

Yeah that's what i wondered too, pretty funny, the people they hated actually often looked more "aryan" than the nazis themselves.

[Dombra]

Goering probably looked uber when younger, but not really 'nordic' type.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5171/5436547905_0fbde97460.jpg

[Ctwentysevenj]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5171/5436547905_0fbde97460.jpg

He fought as a German soldier/pilot with the Austro-Hungarian forces on the Austro-Hungarian/Italian front, up in the alps during the first world war.

[Imamudin]

You don't understand the ideology of NS or the definition of "Untermensch".

[Anglojew]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5171/5436547905_0fbde97460.jpg

He has a very sloping forehead. Not a progressive trait.

http://www.whale.to/b/225px-Goering1932.jpg

Pity he couldn't give Himmler a bit of his chin.

[Anglojew]

You don't understand the ideology of NS or the definition of "Untermensch".

Probably not better than a Muslim.

[Skjaldemjøden]

He fought as a German soldier/pilot with the Austro-Hungarian forces on the Austro-Hungarian/Italian front, up in the alps during the first world war.

And his life was saved by a Jewish nurse.

[Anglojew]

Franz Stangl and Ernst Kaltenbrunner look ubermenschen though, Id guess theire Daleo-faelid and Noric but not sure.

but Josef Kramer on contrary makes the most unter of them all, that disfigured borreby face.If I recall correctly Anne Frank died in one of his camps.


Fencing scars aside Ernst Kaltenbrunner doesn't look very Germanic.

http://www.company7.com/bosendorfer/graphics/kaltenbrunner_defendant_564381.jpg

Stangl has Armenid features such as nose and Armenoid lips (Lippensaum) he could just be any other Jewish retiree in Florida here:


http://www.salzi.at/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Stangl_Gef%C3%A4ngnis-D%C3%BCsseldorf.jpg

Eichmann and Heydrich also have Lippensaum.

Josef Kramer looks like very "peasant-like".

[Imamudin]

Probably not better than a Muslim.

What have Muslims to do with it?

[Anglojew]

He fought as a German soldier/pilot with the Austro-Hungarian forces on the Austro-Hungarian/Italian front, up in the alps during the first world war.

He slightly resembles Michael Fassbender there.

[Anglojew]

What have Muslims to do with it?

Muslims have a natural affinity with Nazism.

[Anglojew]

Yeah that's what i wondered too, pretty funny, the people they hated actually often looked more "aryan" than the nazis themselves.

I think the typical mentality of the Nazi leadership was similar to the geeky-bullied kids that commit mass-shootings at schools today. Most of them seem like ugly, weedy, losers with a smattering of Prussian or Bavarian military types thrown in.

[Imamudin]

Muslims have a natural affinity with Nazism.

Jews too ;)

[Dombra]

AJ, you would probably have loved the Nazis if you were not part of the chosen people...

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Fencing scars aside Ernst Kaltenbrunner doesn't look very Germanic.

http://www.company7.com/bosendorfer/graphics/kaltenbrunner_defendant_564381.jpg

Stangl has Armenid features such as nose and Armenoid lips (Lippensaum):


http://www.salzi.at/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Stangl_Gef%C3%A4ngnis-D%C3%BCsseldorf.jpg

Eichmann and Heydrich also have Lippensaum.

Josef Kramer looks like very "peasant-like".

Well the true nordics started off the same as arabic types, but one mixed with baltics, brunns and borreby and the other with levantines and africans and even south asians and monglos. Take kaltenbrenner and mix in some celtic to even it out and you would get a very english looking phenotype.

Germany was definitely not the whitest place on earth then any more than today. But I feel sorry for the german-specific guys who looked similar to kramer and skorzeny who basically don't exist any more due to the war and all the BS that followed.

[Anglojew]

And his life was saved by a Jewish nurse.

I didn't know that.

[Dombra]

Well the true nordics started off the same as arabic types, but one mixed with baltics, brunns and borreby and the other with levantines and africans and even south asians and monglos. Take kaltenbrenner and mix in some celtic to even it out and you would get a very english looking phenotype.

Hablogroup I-J connection?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Hablogroup I-J connection?

Yeah, exactly.

[Anglojew]

AJ, you would probably have loved the Nazis if you were not part of the chosen people...

I prefer Prussian virtues. Some of the Nazi occultism is fascinating though.

[Anglojew]

he doesent look armenoid in colour.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/ErnstKaltenbrunner-12.jpg

his look is familiar to me and learning that he is Austrian, Id guess he can pass as Tyrol sauerkraut.He also looks very tall and slim with long limbs, armenoid untermenschen doesent look like this.Id guess its somekind of dinaricized type.

Stangl has Armenid features (bottom photo as an old man) not Kaltenbrunner.

[Anglojew]

Well the true nordics started off the same as arabic types, but one mixed with baltics, brunns and borreby and the other with levantines and africans and even south asians and monglos. Take kaltenbrenner and mix in some celtic to even it out and you would get a very english looking phenotype.

Germany was definitely not the whitest place on earth then any more than today. But I feel sorry for the german-specific guys who looked similar to kramer and skorzeny who basically don't exist any more due to the war and all the BS that followed.

Yes, there's a Neolithic dark-pigmented type in the South of Germany, Switzerland etc (often called "Celtic") that obviously is linked to British phenotypes.

[Anglojew]

He looks quite uber in comparison to other two specimen next to him.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Bundesarchiv_Bild_192-029%2C_KZ_Mauthausen%2C_Himmler%2C_Kaltenbrunner%2 C_Ziereis.jpg

The Schmisse indicate he was an Alpha-male.

[Skjaldemjøden]

I didn't know that.

https://books.google.dk/books?id=6Jk6oTUIZG8C&pg=PA300&dq=ilse+ballin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ySlTVfeIOqKBywOYzYG4Dg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=ilse%20ballin&f=false

[Anglojew]

https://books.google.dk/books?id=6Jk6oTUIZG8C&pg=PA300&dq=ilse+ballin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ySlTVfeIOqKBywOYzYG4Dg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=ilse%20ballin&f=false

It's like German-Jewish soldier Hugo Gutmann recommended Hitler for the Iron Cross during WW1.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Morell.JPG

This one is the most itneresting of Hitler's lackeys. It does not show much in this pic but he is quite neanderthaline, and has a kind of jewish look. But he is a lot bigger and more robust than any jewish man I have known.

Eva Braun constantly complained he was disgusting to look at and smelly, but Hitler told her that he did not hire him for his personal hygeine. It seems very odd a guy that killed off the mentally ill and homeless of his own people would have this kind of attitude.

[Beit El]

Yeah that's what i wondered too, pretty funny, the people they hated actually often looked more "aryan" than the nazis themselves.

No. They looked like the people they hated.

Göring is the only one who looked the way he's supposed to look, but unfortunately he was a degenerate.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

FUCK. I'm SICK of people talking about this already. No, they actually all looked very German. Even Himmler and Goebbels. To me anyway. IDK what the fuck people are talking about. Himmler at first looks kinda like a Japanese, but he is obviously German. Mengele, Heydrich, Streicher, Himmler, Goebbels, Stangl, Kramer, Eichmann and Dirlewanger all look typical Germans. Eichmann gives off that Jewish vibe, but basically a lot of Germans do, then, because his kind is not uncommon at all in Germany. My German ancestors gave off Jewish vibes too, does it mean they were Jews? NO! I score no Jewish on 23andme even...not even remotely Jewish. Also I1 Y-DNA which is not Jewish at all! To suggest Himmler had Hunnic blood is no different than suggesting I have crypto-Jew blood because my ancestors looked a little 'off'. They were only strange looking in an Abraham Lincoln sort of way. To suggest he was a crypto Jew is absolute bull. I'm sick of white nationalists accusing anyone they don't like of being Jews, and anti White nationalists accusing anyone the white supremacists look up to as being Jews or Hunnic in Himmler's case. Whatever you pseudo science fools. Let genetics do the talking, not phenotypes. Idiots.

[Vorg]

1. Maximilian Siry

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1980-079-67%2C_Maximilian_Siry.jpg/551px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1980-079-67%2C_Maximilian_Siry.jpg

2. Heinrich Himmler

https://pp.vk.me/c624219/v624219764/20e39/elUTL_C3vlg.jpg

3. Martin Borman

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4404/kamnev-na.100/0_52456_cba88929_XL

4. Albert Kesselring

http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20150507/143102278130489128.jpg

5. Reinhard Heydrich

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/chebatkov/32409602/78298/78298_640.jpg

6. Erich von Manstein

http://www.zeevgalili.com/english/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/general-von-manstein.jpg

7. Joseph Goebbels

http://img11.nnm.me/7/a/b/f/4/6ac9bd5dc76e1ef47d793a149d9.jpg

8. Oskar Dirlewanger

http://img15.nnm.me/1/9/6/7/c/9dfa900e93ea36d805ccb2b69a6.jpg

9. Helmuth von Pannwitz

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Personenregister/Bilder/PannwitzHelmuthv_Oberst_RK_EL_o_Muetze.jpg

10. Walter Gross

http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20150507/143102636428424319.jpg

11. Leon Degrelle

http://i44.tinypic.com/snc4mf.jpg

12. Gunther Blumentritt

https://p2.liveauctioneers.com/287/44494/19758469_1_l.jpg

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Morell.JPG

This one is the most itneresting of Hitler's lackeys. It does not show much in this pic but he is quite neanderthaline, and has a kind of jewish look. But he is a lot bigger and more robust than any jewish man I have known.

Eva Braun constantly complained he was disgusting to look at and smelly, but Hitler told her that he did not hire him for his personal hygeine. It seems very odd a guy that killed off the mentally ill and homeless of his own people would have this kind of attitude.

Sorry but he doesn't look Jewish at all. The only person that looks remotely Jewish is Eichmann.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01875/Eichmann-portrait-_1875205i.jpg

But even Eichmann alas is not Jewish and does not have Jewish blood, and he doesn't even look stereotypically Jewish - just the most Jewish looking of any of the Nazis.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

1. Maximilian Siry

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1980-079-67%2C_Maximilian_Siry.jpg/551px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1980-079-67%2C_Maximilian_Siry.jpg

2. Heinrich Himmler

https://pp.vk.me/c624219/v624219764/20e39/elUTL_C3vlg.jpg

3. Martin Borman

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4404/kamnev-na.100/0_52456_cba88929_XL

4. Albert Kesselring

http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20150507/143102278130489128.jpg

5. Reinhard Heydrich

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/chebatkov/32409602/78298/78298_640.jpg

6. Erich von Manstein

http://www.zeevgalili.com/english/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/general-von-manstein.jpg

7. Joseph Goebbels

http://img11.nnm.me/7/a/b/f/4/6ac9bd5dc76e1ef47d793a149d9.jpg

8. Gunther Blumentritt

https://p2.liveauctioneers.com/287/44494/19758469_1_l.jpg

9. Helmuth von Pannwitz

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Personenregister/Bilder/PannwitzHelmuthv_Oberst_RK_EL_o_Muetze.jpg

10. Walter Gross

http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20150507/143102636428424319.jpg

11. Leon Degrelle

http://i44.tinypic.com/snc4mf.jpg

None of those people look even remotely Jewish. And Bormann is the typical German. Very not Jewish looking.

[XenophobicPrussian]

^

They're not saying they look Jewish, they're saying they don't look like the typical blonde hair, blue eyed German/Nordic that the Nazis admired.

I don't see the relevance though, not everyone is biased towards their own. Some Japanese idealize Nordics too. Hitler, assuming he was an "untermensh" likely grew up with other untermensh, was the smartest of the bunch and thought there are better, smarter people based on his observations.

Also, this proves Nordic/Nordish people didn't kill 6 million Jews. Yay. You can stop having such a grudge against us now, Jewish community.

[Unome]

It really doesn't matter in the end. Because the nazi party was formed and designed to protect this from subhumanity:

http://www.castyoung.dk/wp-content/gallery/19902-sofia-bu/19902_sofia_bu_2.jpg

So the ends justify the means.

As long as her beauty exists, the Aryan spirit will continue to flourish and grow, supplying faith for the rest of humanity.

[Vorg]

It really doesn't matter in the end. Because the nazi party was formed and designed to protect this from subhumanity:

http://www.castyoung.dk/wp-content/gallery/19902-sofia-bu/19902_sofia_bu_2.jpg

So the ends justify the means.

As long as her beauty exists, the Aryan spirit will continue to flourish and grow, supplying faith for the rest of humanity.

Yes, SSman Oscar Dirlewanger (who was convicted for the love to little girls) fought for the happiness of white women and children :cool:

http://img15.nnm.me/1/9/6/7/c/9dfa900e93ea36d805ccb2b69a6.jpg

[Desaix DeBurgh]

It really doesn't matter in the end. Because the nazi party was formed and designed to protect this from subhumanity:

http://www.castyoung.dk/wp-content/gallery/19902-sofia-bu/19902_sofia_bu_2.jpg

So the ends justify the means.

As long as her beauty exists, the Aryan spirit will continue to flourish and grow, supplying faith for the rest of humanity.


http://www.romeacrosseurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Siege-alesia-vercingetorix-jules-cesar.jpg

http://uploads4.wikiart.org/images/gustav-klimt/allegory-of-sculpture.jpg

[Amud]

Wolfram Sievers looks pretty uber

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Wolfram_Sievers.jpg/220px-Wolfram_Sievers.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vFoyG5ZnbEI/mqdefault.jpg
https://www.bundesarchiv.de/imperia/md/images/abteilungen/abtr/ahnenerbe/sso_sievers_501x0_0_4.jpg

[Trogdor]

Nazis never made much sense to begin with.

[Fortis in Arduis]

lol@ Eichmann and Woody Allen - separated at birth?

This idea of Aryan and whatnot was just a sociopolitical concept, not so much a reality.

The Nuremberg Race Laws are really just a mirror of Jewish Halacha's take on "Who is a Jew."

I wonder even if they were written in consultation with a Jewish organisation with similar concerns about ethnic purity and intermarriage.

[Skjaldemjøden]

lol@ Eichmann and Woody Allen - separated at birth?

This idea of Aryan and whatnot was just a sociopolitical concept, not so much a reality.

The Nuremberg Race Laws are really just a mirror of Jewish Halacha's take on "Who is a Jew."

I wonder even if they were written in consultation with a Jewish organisation with similar concerns about ethnic purity and intermarriage.

That's not true. According to the halakha anyone with a Jewish mother is Jewish. Your male ancestors, starting with your father, could be members of any faith, so long as someone in your maternal line was Jewish and her female descendants haven't undergone conversion.

[Sandman]

Another nazi subhuman, Hans Frank.
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/260/6/4/hans_frank_by_themistrunsred-d5f2j0p.jpg
http://cdn3.spiegel.de/images/image-208252-galleryV9-fcgm.jpg

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

http://www.romeacrosseurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Siege-alesia-vercingetorix-jules-cesar.jpg

http://uploads4.wikiart.org/images/gustav-klimt/allegory-of-sculpture.jpg

I don't get what your response is to his argument. Are you agreeing with him or??

[Anglojew]

Wolfram Sievers looks pretty uber

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Wolfram_Sievers.jpg/220px-Wolfram_Sievers.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vFoyG5ZnbEI/mqdefault.jpg
https://www.bundesarchiv.de/imperia/md/images/abteilungen/abtr/ahnenerbe/sso_sievers_501x0_0_4.jpg

Not really. Looks Med. Monobrow.

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ssahnenerbering01b.jpg

[Anglojew]

Another nazi subhuman, Hans Frank.
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/260/6/4/hans_frank_by_themistrunsred-d5f2j0p.jpg
http://cdn3.spiegel.de/images/image-208252-galleryV9-fcgm.jpg

He also has Lippensaum. Probably another of part-Jewish ancestry.

[Mortimer]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5171/5436547905_0fbde97460.jpg

Goering is Über. No the Nazis didnt looked like Untermenschen except maybe two or three (like Goebbels), Hitler was Subnordid and had Blue eyes. They looked like average Germans, but they were not photo models though.

[Fortis in Arduis]

That's not true. According to the halakha anyone with a Jewish mother is Jewish. Your male ancestors, starting with your father, could be members of any faith, so long as someone in your maternal line was Jewish and her female descendants haven't undergone conversion.

You are quite correct. I was mistaken in believing that the Nuremberg Race Laws were a reflection of halacha, whereas they placed no particular importance upon matrilineal Jewish descent.

Whilst checking, I did find this, which does show political and economic co-operation between NS Germany and Zionists of that time:


The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הסכם העברה Translit.: heskem haavara Translated: "transfer agreement") was signed on 25 August 1933 after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. The agreement was designed to help facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine. While it helped Jews emigrate, it forced them to temporarily give up possessions to Germany before departing. Those possessions could later be re-obtained by transferring them to Palestine as German export goods.

Hanotea (Hebrew: הנוטע), a Zionist citrus planting company, applied in May 1933 for the ability to transfer capital from Germany to Palestine. Hanotea served to assist German Jews' immigration to Palestine as part of the Zionist endeavor. In a deal worked out with the German government, Hanotea would receive money from prospective immigrants and use this money to buy German goods. These goods, along with the immigrants, would then be shipped to Palestine. In Palestine, import merchants would then buy the goods from the immigrants, liquidating their investment. This arrangement appeared to be operating successfully, and so paved the way for the later Haavara Agreement. Connected to Hanotea was a Polish Zionist Jew, Sam Cohen. He represented Zionist interests in direct negotiation with the Nazis beginning in March 1933.

“ CERTIFICATE
The Trust and Transfer Office "Haavara" Ltd. places at the disposal of the Banks in Palestine amounts in Reichmarks which have been put at its disposal by the Jewish immigrants from Germany. The Banks avail themselves of these amounts in Reichmarks in order to make payments on behalf of Palestinian merchants for goods imported by them from Germany. The merchants pay in the value of the goods to the Banks and the "Haavara" Ltd. pays the countervalue to the Jewish immigrants from Germany. To the same extent that local merchants will make use of this arrangement, the import of German goods will serve to withdraw Jewish capital from Germany.
The Trust and Transfer Office,
HAAVARA, LTD.

”
—Example of the certificate issued by Haavara to Jews emigrating to Palestine

The Haavara (Transfer) Agreement was agreed to by the German government in 1933 to allow the Zionist movement, in the form of the Haavara company to transfer property from Germany to Palestine, for the sole purpose of encouraging Jewish emigration from Germany. The Haavara company operated under a similar plan as the earlier Hanotea company. The Haavara Company required immigrants to pay at least 1000 pounds sterling into the banking company. This money would then be used to buy German exports for import to Palestine.

The Haavara Agreement was thought among certain circles to be a possible way to rid the country of its supposed "Jewish problem." The head of the Middle Eastern division of the foreign ministry, Werner Otto von Hentig, supported the policy of concentrating Jews in Palestine. Von Hentig believed that if the Jewish population was concentrated in a single foreign entity, then foreign diplomatic policy and containment of the Jews would become easier. Hitler's support of the Haavara Agreement varied throughout the thirties. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but shortly reversed his opinion, and continued to support it, in the face of opposition, through 1939.

After the invasion of Poland and the onset of World War II in 1939, the practical continuation of the Haavara agreement became impossible. In 1940, representatives of the underground Zionist group Lehi met with von Hentig to propose direct military cooperation with the Nazis for the continuation of the transfer of European Jews to Palestine. This proposal, however, did not produce results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

It is shameful that the activities of the Lehi were suppressed by left-wing Zionists and the British.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Another Austrian Arthur Seyss-Inquart The the Gauleiter of the Netherlands
http://img.audiovis.nac.gov.pl/PIC/PIC_2-2762.jpg

[Ctwentysevenj]

Not really. Looks Med. Monobrow.

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ssahnenerbering01b.jpg

Yes he was the Gauleiter of Monobrows!

[Hellenas]

Another Nazi of Greek descend

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1979-013-43%2C_Wilhelm_Canaris.jpg

Wilhelm Franz Canaris (1 January 1887 – 9 April 1945) was a German admiral, and chief of the Abwehr, the German military intelligence service, from 1935 to 1944. During the Second World War, he was among the military officers involved in the clandestine opposition to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime. He was executed in the Flossenbürg concentration camp for the act of high treason.

Early life

Canaris was born in Aplerbeck (now a part of Dortmund) in Westphalia, the son of Carl Canaris, a rich industrialist, by his marriage to Auguste Popp. Canaris believed that his family was related to the Greek admiral, freedom fighter, and politician Constantine Kanaris, which influenced his decision to join the Imperial German Navy. While on a visit to Corfu, he was given a portrait of the Greek hero which he always kept in his office.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Goering is Über. No the Nazis didnt looked like Untermenschen except maybe two or three (like Goebbels), Hitler was Subnordid and had Blue eyes. They looked like average Germans, but they were not photo models though.
Given today 66% of Germans have light hair(not just blonde, it includes light brown), according to one study anyway, no they don't look like average Germans. It isn't only that, their faces look either very eastern or southern. Hitler can pass as a German, but not much more of them. Most of them look Hungarian or something, especially Himmler.

[noricum]

these austrians stole it mostly from pagan slavic rituals while being in contact with wends in Slovenia.

How does one steal habits/rituals?

[Skjaldemjøden]

6. Erich von Manstein

His paternal uncle converted to Judaism and chose to die in a concentration camp.

[Hellenas]

Lol, look the fury of this half Greek monobrow Nazi


https://youtu.be/EKBql0JjYFw

http://ethniko.net/blog/rudolf-hess-greek/

[Tekken]

Goering is Über. No the Nazis didnt looked like Untermenschen except maybe two or three (like Goebbels), Hitler was Subnordid and had Blue eyes. They looked like average Germans, but they were not photo models though.

You're talking to people who seem to recreate these threads & arguments on a roll.
People still burtthurt that Germany gave their ancestors such a whooping. Oh how they still hate the humiliations and how the German Feldgrau steamrolled across Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvNonGE5XTM

[Smeagol]

Most of them could easily be jewish. Himmler also seems to have a bit of Hunnish ancestry.

[Bagot]

Karl-Friedrich Höcker

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qxu3ZyFs0QY/VGUeZIYz_GI/AAAAAAABUkw/3VMFhcp7T6s/s1600/Obersturmf%C3%BChrer%2BKarl%2BH%C3%B6cker,%2BJune% 2B21,%2B1944.jpg


Franz Hößler

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Staff/ID0035_Hossler.jpg


Juana Bormann (or Johana Borman)

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Staff/ID0074.jpg

Otto Kulessa

https://veronicakclarkauthor.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/otto-kulessa-half-aborigine1.jpg


Erich Zoddel

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh/multimedia/GFH/0000057362/0000057362_1_web.jpg


Rolf Rosenthal

http://i.imgur.com/og78NHy.jpg

Helmuth von Pannwitz

https://veronicakclarkauthor.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/pannwitzhelmuthv_oberst_rk_el_o_muetze.jpg


Alfred Rosenberg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Nazi_party_member_Alfred_Rosenberg_in_cell_Nurembe rg_Trials.jpeg


Amon Göth

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Amon_G%C3%B6th-prisoner_1945.jpg


Martin Weiss

http://www.seligman.org.il/Martin%20Weiss.jpg

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/883445_335440503242610_261306775_o.jpg


https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B2BVfs7TeU4/VGUyPLJJ0lI/AAAAAAABUlY/e0eMhPlz13A/s1600/A%2Bgroup%2Bof%2BSS%2Bofficers%2Bin%2Bfront%2Bof%2 Ba%2Bbuilding%2Bat%2BSolahutte%2C%2Bthe%2BSS%2Bret reat%2Boutside%2Bof%2BAuschwitz.jpg

[Bagot]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-088-3724-06A%2C_Russland%2C_Generale_vor_Holzhaus.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Bundesarchiv_B_145_Bild-F016218-0035A%2C_Krim%2C_Panzerzug%2C_Besichtigung_Hans_v. _Ahlfen.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-785-0286-33%2C_Nordafrika%2C_von_Bismarck%2C_Bayerlein%2C_R ommel.jpg

Fritz Bayerlein

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-033-02%2C_Fritz_Bayerlein.jpg

August Schmidt
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2008-0014%2C_August_Schmidt.jpg

Paul Werner Hoppe

http://thefifthfield.com/wp-content/uploads/Camp-Men-Paul-Werner-Hoppe.jpg

[Anglojew]

Karl-Friedrich Höcker

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qxu3ZyFs0QY/VGUeZIYz_GI/AAAAAAABUkw/3VMFhcp7T6s/s1600/Obersturmf%C3%BChrer%2BKarl%2BH%C3%B6cker,%2BJune% 2B21,%2B1944.jpg


Franz Hößler

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Staff/ID0035_Hossler.jpg


Juana Bormann (or Johana Borman)

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Database/Staff/ID0074.jpg

Otto Kulessa

https://veronicakclarkauthor.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/otto-kulessa-half-aborigine1.jpg


Erich Zoddel

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh/multimedia/GFH/0000057362/0000057362_1_web.jpg


Rolf Rosenthal

http://i.imgur.com/og78NHy.jpg

Helmuth von Pannwitz

https://veronicakclarkauthor.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/pannwitzhelmuthv_oberst_rk_el_o_muetze.jpg


Alfred Rosenberg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Nazi_party_member_Alfred_Rosenberg_in_cell_Nurembe rg_Trials.jpeg


Amon Göth

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Amon_G%C3%B6th-prisoner_1945.jpg


Martin Weiss

http://www.seligman.org.il/Martin%20Weiss.jpg

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/883445_335440503242610_261306775_o.jpg


https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B2BVfs7TeU4/VGUyPLJJ0lI/AAAAAAABUlY/e0eMhPlz13A/s1600/A%2Bgroup%2Bof%2BSS%2Bofficers%2Bin%2Bfront%2Bof%2 Ba%2Bbuilding%2Bat%2BSolahutte%2C%2Bthe%2BSS%2Bret reat%2Boutside%2Bof%2BAuschwitz.jpg

Weiss, Rosenthal and Hocker look Jewish or part-Jewish.

[Anglojew]

Johann Schwarzhube seems to be one amongst a minority of handsome Nazis:

http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/pic/bigaumen14.jpg

[XenophobicPrussian]

Johann Schwarzhube seems to be one amongst a minority of handsome Nazis:

http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/pic/bigaumen14.jpg
Did he commit any major atrocities? So far I'm not seeing any Nordish people on here. Was the Nazi movement an entire movement of non-Germans in the phenotype sense?

[Anglojew]

Did he commit any major atrocities? So far I'm not seeing any Nordish people on here. Was the Nazi movement an entire movement of non-Germans in the phenotype sense?

I'm not sure about him. I would imagine so as he's SS.

Yes, I agree. They seem distinctly un-German looking by and large.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

'In the face of the Russian advance Heinrich Himmler paid a visit to Ravensbrucke to lay down policy. The prisoners who were still capable of working and marching should be taken away, those who were ill or old or lame should be killed.



To assist Commandant Suhren in his picking and choosing, Johann Schwarzhuber and Adolf Winklemann arrived from evacuated Auschwitz and the mass slaughter began, the bullet was replaced by a gas chamber."

[Bagot]

Did he commit any major atrocities? So far I'm not seeing any Nordish people on here. Was the Nazi movement an entire movement of non-Germans in the phenotype sense?

Probably but these faces in Germany are more common than people think. Except the few here that are clearly mixed.

[Anglojew]

Most of them could easily be jewish. Himmler also seems to have a bit of Hunnish ancestry.

Yes, I agree. A lot look part- Jewish and many look Hungarian.

[Anglojew]

Given today 66% of Germans have light hair(not just blonde, it includes light brown), according to one study anyway, no they don't look like average Germans. It isn't only that, their faces look either very eastern or southern. Hitler can pass as a German, but not much more of them. Most of them look Hungarian or something, especially Himmler.

I totally agree. Maybe because it was a Bavarian movement but many look exotic.

[noricum]

copy-paste from others?

Copying meany copying, not stealing. Stealing means that somebody takes something away from you so you no longer have it. This did not happen at all in this case.


von Bismarck did not include Austria into German Empire, hence they felt offended.To prove its worthiness and superiority they turned to silly mysticism and what not.

He describes the Völkisch movement as a sort of anti-modernist, anti-liberal reaction to the many political, social, and economic changes occurring in Germanic Europe in the late 1800s. Part of his argument is that the rapid industrialization and rise of cities changed the "traditional, rural social order" and ran into conflict with the "pre-capitalist attitudes and institutions" of the area. He described the racially elitist Pan-Germanism movement of ethnic German Austrians as a reaction to Austria not being included in the German Empire of Bismarck.[2].

Austrias inferiority complex towards Germany is out of doubt. It may have changed its expression and intensity over the time, but it is definately still there. Then again only a absolutely tiny minority turned mysticism, as in all Europen countries at the time.
Btw much of your above quotes sums up the reason of most members joining ths forum.


In his book Deutsche Mythologie (1835), Jacob Grimm noted that Russians used the word kupala to describe the bonfires they lit at the summer solstice, and recorded that some people explained the word as the name Kupulo, a harvest god.[1]

why would sauerkrauts care about our customs!?!?

Assuming you are right, why would you feel offended by Germans copying "your traditions" if not by an inferiority complex? Bonfires and such still are are and all were common all over the Alps, in Carinthia, in Tirol, but particulary in Alamanic areas of Switzerland and South West Germany long before Bismarck - just as in many other parts of Europe.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Put a skull Cap on them and they wouldn't look out of place in a synagog

[Anglojew]

Copying meany copying, not stealing. Stealing means that somebody takes something away from you so you no longer have it. This did not happen at all in this case.



Austrias inferiority complex towards Germany is out of doubt. It may have changed its expression and intensity over the time, but it is definately still there. Then again only a absolutely tiny minority turned mysticism, as in all Europen countries at the time.
Btw much of your above quotes sums up the reason of most members joining ths forum.



Assuming you are right, why would you feel offended by Germans copying "your traditions" if not by an inferiority complex? Bonfires and such still are are and all were common all over the Alps, in Carinthia, in Tirol, but particulary in Alamanic areas of Switzerland and South West Germany long before Bismarck - just as in many other parts of Europe.

Prior to WW1 they probably felt superior due to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

[Anglojew]

Put a skull Cap on them and they wouldn't look out of place in a synagog

Yes, many could pass as Jews and some actually look distinctly Jewish like Weiss and Eichmann

[noricum]

no need for such pseudo-philosophy here, it does not impress me.

where did you get an impression I am offended??

Here:

these austrians stole it mostly from pagan slavic rituals while being in contact with wends in Slovenia.

why would sauerkrauts care about our customs!?!?

I'm not saying these customs did not come into South German culture from Slavic influence, but all in all they are a bit too wide spread outside of (former) Slavic sphere. If they were limited to Southeastern Austria and Eastern Germany and current Slavic countries they case would be quite clear.
But bonfires are also common in France, Italy Sweden, Scottland, Ireland etc. and are helt at different dates in each of this places which makes it hard to believe it all came from Slavic influence or copying Slavic customs by non-Slavs. Also having a bonfire is something very basic and I wonder if this wasn't common just about everywhere in some form or another before Christianisation.
Same goes for Maypoles, although to a lesser degree, which is also common in England. For me it's hard to belief it is all Slavic influence. I could be "Celtic", could be IE (unlikely), could be coincidentally similar customs at different places.

[Äijä]

no need for such pseudo-philosophy here, it does not impress me.

where did you get an impression I am offended??I only said they stole most of the rituals from Slavs, which is true.

this southern Carinthian area you are describing also overlaps with proto-Slovene homeland, that is Carantania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carantania

the Kolovrat you are having under your nickname is also a slavic symbol for sun, much like Swastika.Now if you look closely to this Svarog depict, down below at the very start of the flame you see very familiar symbol..

http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/7/6497/20090725_011406_svarog1.jpg

kupalo flame.. and dance around him.

http://www.rtvslo.si/_up/photos/2010/06/21/u69465-136507_kypalo1_show.jpg

Bonifires are not the only thing you adopted from us, like I said, I just cant be arsed to elaborate but theres plenty of cultural to ritual feasts you adopt from us..

another one would be for example "Mlaj" or Maypole..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maypole

I have no clue about this wiki article, but it seems inconsistent.Where Germans have no idea about its origins and the meaning or what Maypole erecting is all about, we the slavs know what its supposed to symbolise.We are taught in schools this is typical Slavic feast, it is actually specific to Balto-Slavs.

but this is all just debatable, though it is somewhat just a coincidence the guy wrote "Deutsche Mythologie" as late as in 1835.Then 100 years later Hitler Jugend practising same Slavic rituals the way he wrote them down..

http://africa.chinadaily.com.cn/world/img/attachement/jpg/site1/20130708/0023ae9885da1344bf5701.jpg

http://www.people.com.cn/mediafile/pic/20110708/38/11862788178079087810.jpg

Maypoles and bonfires are in Scandinavia and Finland also, I doubt it is originally Slavic in origin.

[Äijä]

yes, I know this.But with you these things are very localised and not wide-spread.

besides, dont minorities like Lapps usually carry such traditions!?

They are widespread, the bonfires are the biggest event in midsummer festivals in Finland.

[Anglojew]

that might be the case and I have no doubts every nation has its own distinctive folklore and rich culture.

However, it just so happens that in this case Volkische movement > Deutsche Mythologie > Slavs.

I simply dont know how to point it out more evidently.

http://shrani.si/f/2G/l8/4wspd2Bn/huehue.png

http://shrani.si/f/12/9v/1Cn5JjLN/huehue2.png

I dont know why is it so essential to put everything in written like that.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pagan_survivals#Nationalist_roots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kupala

To be fair Germanics had bonfire celebrations also for instance Guy Fawkes Day which (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night);


...served as a Protestant replacement for the ancient Celtic and Nordic festivals of Samhain, pagan events that the church absorbed and transformed into All Hallow's Eve and All Souls' Day.

[Arbeiter]

Did he commit any major atrocities? So far I'm not seeing any Nordish people on here. Was the Nazi movement an entire movement of non-Germans in the phenotype sense?

Most people have the wrong impression regarding the Germans. We need to remember that the greaty majority of the nazi leaders came from the southern parts of Germany, so it's quite understandable why they don't have the typical look people often associate with the Germans.

Also, it's important remember that to join the Schutzstaffel, all you needed to do is prove that you didn't have any "non-Aryan" ancestors prior to 1750 (the requeriments dropped after Germany started to lose the war). So, it's quite possible that some of them had foreign blood.

[Permafrost]

I'm not saying these customs did not come into South German culture from Slavic influence, but all in all they are a bit too wide spread outside of (former) Slavic sphere. If they were limited to Southeastern Austria and Eastern Germany and current Slavic countries they case would be quite clear.


If anything it's the other way round, ESPECIALLY the maypole (mlaj), that tradition doesn't exist outside the Slavic populations adjacent to the ex-HRE so it has to be a Germanic thing. IIRC old Slovenian manuscripts refer to it as an old Bavarian tradition.

Idem goes for the easter bonfires -
The custom of the Easter fires appears to have prevailed all over Central and Western Germany from north to south. We find it also in Holland, where the fires were kindled on the highest eminences, and the people danced round them and leaped through the flames or over the glowing embers. Here too, as often in Germany, the materials for the bonfire were collected by the young folk from door to door. In many parts of Sweden firearms are discharged in all directions on Easter Eve, and huge bonfires are lighted on hills and eminences. Some people think that the intention is to keep off the Troll and other evil spirits who are especially active at this season.

Walpurgis nacht also seems to be an exclusively Germanic tradition, although such ritualistic 'witch hunt' seem to be present among the Czechs as well. Not hard to guess where it came from, I believe.

All of it is extensively described in the Handwörterbuch des deutschen Aberglaubens, by Hoffmann-Krayer and Bächtold-Stäubli

[Anglojew]

Most people have the wrong impression regarding the Germans. We need to remember that the greaty majority of the nazi leaders came from the southern parts of Germany, so it's quite understandable why they don't have the typical look people often associate with the Germans.

Also, it's important remember that to join the Schutzstaffel, all you needed to do is prove that you didn't have any "non-Aryan" ancestors prior to 1750 (the requeriments dropped after Germany started to lose the war). So, it's quite possible that some of them had foreign blood.

True but you're agreeing with my premise.

[Turkminator]

That sounds very funny when Jews use Nazi jargon "Untermenschen".

[Anglojew]

That sounds very funny when Jews use Nazi jargon "Untermenschen".

It's yiddish.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Of all truly top nazies (not every man and his dog somehow associated with them) only Goring and von Ribbentrop were close to the nazi ideal. Hitler although not exactly skando-nordid still had a progressive euro phenotype. Bormann had a fairly german face just a little non-progressive. The Gobbels-Himmler-Eichmann trio indeed looked unter although none had non-germanic ancestry. Gobbels was actually half dutch.

You'll find more nordic looking germans among army officers (or even better regular soldiers) than NS party officials.

Here's von Ribbentrop. He was aristocracy I think.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H04810%2C_Joachim_von_Ribbentrop.jpg

[Bagot]

Here's von Ribbentrop. He was aristocracy I think.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H04810%2C_Joachim_von_Ribbentrop.jpg

Not really aristocracy: "In 1925 his aunt, Gertrud von Ribbentrop, adopted him, which allowed him to add the aristocratic von to his name".

[Anglojew]

Most people have the wrong impression regarding the Germans. We need to remember that the greaty majority of the nazi leaders came from the southern parts of Germany, so it's quite understandable why they don't have the typical look people often associate with the Germans.

Also, it's important remember that to join the Schutzstaffel, all you needed to do is prove that you didn't have any "non-Aryan" ancestors prior to 1750 (the requeriments dropped after Germany started to lose the war). So, it's quite possible that some of them had foreign blood.

Despite what some people think this thread is not anti-German as my contention is most Nazi leaders looked "unter" and un-German; the implication being Germans generally look "uber" so this isn't anti-German even if you believe Nazi and German are synonyms which I do not.

[Imamudin]

Despite what some people think this thread is not anti-German as my contention is most Nazi leaders looked "unter" and un-German; the implication being Germans generally look "uber" so this isn't anti-German even if you believe Nazi and German are synonyms which I do not.

But the Nazis actually were only normal Germans that have been demonized as "Nazis" by the Allies so the Germans were easier to reeducate and denazify after the war.

[Rudel]

Nazis looked German, big whoop.

[Rudel]

Given today 66% of Germans have light hair(not just blonde, it includes light brown), according to one study anyway, no they don't look like average Germans. It isn't only that, their faces look either very eastern or southern. Hitler can pass as a German, but not much more of them. Most of them look Hungarian or something, especially Himmler.
Himmler's just very alpinized.


Most of them could easily be jewish. Himmler also seems to have a bit of Hunnish ancestry.
There isn't such a thing as « Hunnish ancestry ». The Huns were a mobile confederation of a thousand ethnicities. They didn't exactly leave colonies, and if they did those would have been swept away since then anyway.


Did he commit any major atrocities? So far I'm not seeing any Nordish people on here. Was the Nazi movement an entire movement of non-Germans in the phenotype sense?
Germans are as Nordic as the French are Mediterranean.


from my observations, these practices originate from old pagan Slavic rituals.Germans do not have such traditions.
It's very common all over Europe, it has nothing to do with Slavs specifically.

http://www.nemausensis.com/FeuxStJean.jpg

http://www.crcb.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ronde-autour-du-feu-de-la-Saint-Jean-001.jpg

http://www.surleplateau.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/25-06-11-st-jean-8797.jpg

http://www.farandoulaire-sestian.fr/wp-content/gallery/feux-de-la-st-jean/dsc01900.jpg

http://www.basedeloisirs-favieres.fr/uploaded/photo/2012-06-25-49-img-1023-jpg.jpg

http://redac.cuk.ch/archives_v3/4273/StA18.jpg

http://static.ladepeche.fr/content/media/image/zoom/2011/06/24/201106241576.jpg

(Pictures from all over France on Saint John's night.)

[Teja]

I can understand Anglojew in this case but have to say, that these people look as German as any nordid Germans which are blonde and have blue eyes. It is just that people on this forum are way to focused on cliche phenotypes like nordid and fälid. Here in germany live as much broad faced and short headed baltid and alpinid influenced people as nordid. Dinarid is also a big part of this country. It wasn't the nazis of 1933 that made the six german racial types:
http://www.google.de/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2574/4006705084_74ae999b79.jpg&sa=X&ei=grFZVYWDEIuPsAGts4CICg&ved=0CAUQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEG3Pl4Bv9RHMnHGmuy0qtAk54paQ
http://www.das-schulmuseum.de//files/02e_03_rassen.jpg

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Himmler's just very alpinized.


There isn't such a thing as « Hunnish ancestry ». The Huns were a mobile confederation of a thousand ethnicities. They didn't exactly leave colonies, and if they did those would have been swept away since then anyway.


Germans are as Nordic as the French are Mediterranean.


It's very common all over Europe, it has nothing to do with Slavs specifically.

Himmler is nothing to do with alpine, he is very eastern, hence possibly hunnic.

[Tekken]

People also confuse ugliness & out of shape with phenotype. I have to say it again.

You think every Nordid man is thin as a "fox & hard as kruppstahl"?

Julius Caesar himself said of the peoples of Germania, that the old who had seen much battle, spent their time crippled and indulging in beer most of the time, lost their "Beauty and muscularity and fierceness".
As opposed to the young, who were thin (due to starvation) and hard as steel.

The fact is that take any Nordid man, make him age and indulge himself, and he will look like a Nazi leader.

Then look @ Hitler Youth or SS or stormtroopers. Do they look like ideal Germans? Yes. Because they are young, fit, and clean.

Keep in mind the 1930s was a generation where men were often alcoholics, smoked like chimneys, and whose idea of sports was "a bit of walking"

Example of Age effect:
Wilhelm Brueckner as young Nazi activist.
http://41.media.tumblr.com/5d233fe674a76ef32b76743e1de378d8/tumblr_n7wds0iCDW1qad6kdo1_500.jpg

The same man 15 years later after getting a comfy post in power
http://spartacus-educational.com/GERbruckner1.jpg

young Stormtroopers in their age of glory
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[Vorg]

German chauvinism in Third Reich:

Himmler:

This is an ideological battle and a struggle of races. Here in this struggle stands National Socialism: an ideology based on the value of our Germanic, Nordic blood. ... On the other side stands a population of 180 million, a mixture of races, whose very names are unpronounceable, and whose physique is such that one can shoot them down without pity and compassion. These animals, that torture and ill-treat every prisoner from our side, every wounded man that they come across and do not treat them the way decent soldiers would, you will see for yourself. These people have been welded by the Jews into one religion, one ideology, that is called Bolshevism... When you, my men, fight over there in the East, you are carrying on the same struggle, against the same sub humanity, the same inferior races, that at one time appeared under the name of Huns, another time 1000 years ago at the time of King Henry and Otto I under the name of Magyars, another time under the name of Tartars, and still another time under the name of Genghis Khan and the Mongols. Today they appear as Russians under the political banner of Bolshevism.

Erich Koch

We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than the population here.

Anti-Slaivc pseudoanthropology and Slavophobia in Reich

http://i45.tinypic.com/vio65t.jpg
http://s14.postimage.org/s548ckaip/image.png
http://s7.postimage.org/bwkf9gb97/1eick.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/labas/64933/363579/363579_original.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Bundesarchiv_R_49_Bild-0705%2C_Polen%2C_Herkunft_der_Umsiedler%2C_Karte.j pg/797px-Bundesarchiv_R_49_Bild-0705%2C_Polen%2C_Herkunft_der_Umsiedler%2C_Karte.j pg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Bundesarchiv_R_49_Bild-0025%2C_Ausstellung_%22Planung_und_Aufbau_im_Osten %22%2C_Schautafel.jpg/780px-Bundesarchiv_R_49_Bild-0025%2C_Ausstellung_%22Planung_und_Aufbau_im_Osten %22%2C_Schautafel.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/SN_zamaz%C3%A1vaj%C3%AD_%C4%8Desk%C3%BD_n%C3%A1zev _%C5%A0umperk.gif/592px-SN_zamaz%C3%A1vaj%C3%AD_%C4%8Desk%C3%BD_n%C3%A1zev _%C5%A0umperk.gif
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sprachfuehrer/14842256/825053/825053_600.jpg

[Hellenas]

Another Greek "Untermenschen" in third reich

http://www.oblique.it/images/manifesto/obliqui/vankarajan1.gif

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ctvinformer/assets/assets-uploaded/karajan2011.jpg

Herbert von Karajan (German pronunciation: [ˈhɛɐbɛɐt fɔn ˈkaʁaˌjan]; born Heribert, Ritter von Karajan; 5 April 1908 – 16 July 1989) was an Austrian conductor. He was principal conductor of the Berlin Philharmonic for 35 years. He is generally regarded as one of the greatest conductors of the 20th century, and he was a dominant figure in European classical music from the 1960s until his death.[1] Part of the reason for this was the large number of recordings he made and their prominence during his lifetime. By one estimate he was the top-selling classical music recording artist of all time, having sold an estimated 200 million records.[2]

Genealogy

The Karajans were of Greek[3][4][5][6][7][8] or Aromanian[9] ancestry. His great-great-grandfather, Georg Karajan (Georgios Karajánnis, Greek: Γεώργιος Καραγιάννης), was born in Kozani, in the Ottoman province of Rumelia (now in Greece), leaving for Vienna in 1767, and eventually Chemnitz, Electorate of Saxony.[10] He and his brother participated in the establishment of Saxony's cloth industry, and both were ennobled for their services by Frederick Augustus III on 1 June 1792, thus the prefix "von" to the family name. The surname Karajánnis became Karajan.[11] Although traditional biographers ascribed a Serbian or simply a Slavic origin to his mother,[12] Karajan's family from the maternal side, through his grandfather who was born in the village of Mojstrana, Duchy of Carniola (today in Slovenia), was Slovene.[11][12][13] By this line, Karajan was related to Austrian composer of Slovene descent Hugo Wolf.[14] Karajan seems to have known some Slovene.[11][12]

Early years

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Karajans_parent.jpg
Herbert von Karajan's parents, Ernst and Marta (née Kosmač)

Karajan was born in Salzburg, Austria-Hungary, as Heribert Ritter von Karajan.

In 1933 Karajan made his conducting debut at the Salzburg Festival with the Walpurgisnacht Scene in Max Reinhardt's production of Faust. It was also in 1933 that von Karajan became a member of the Nazi party, a fact for which he would later be criticised.[1]

In Salzburg in 1934, Karajan led the Vienna Philharmonic for the first time, and from 1934 to 1941, he was engaged to conduct operatic and symphony-orchestra concerts at the Theater Aachen.

Karajan's career was given a significant boost in 1935 when he was appointed Germany's youngest Generalmusikdirektor and performed as a guest conductor in Bucharest, Brussels, Stockholm, Amsterdam and Paris.[18][19] In 1938 Karajan made his debut with the Berlin Philharmonic and the Berlin State Opera, conducting Fidelio. He then enjoyed a major success at the State Opera with Tristan und Isolde. His performance was hailed by a Berlin critic as Das Wunder Karajan (the Karajan miracle). The critic asserted that Karajan's "success with Wagner's demanding work Tristan und Isolde sets himself alongside Furtwängler and Victor de Sabata, the greatest opera conductors in Germany at the present time".[20] Receiving a contract with Deutsche Grammophon that same year, Karajan made the first of numerous recordings, conducting the Staatskapelle Berlin in the overture to The Magic Flute. On 26 July 1938, he married operetta singer Elmy Holgerloef. They divorced in 1942.

On 22 October 1942, at the height of the Second World War, Karajan married Anna Maria "Anita" Sauest, born Gütermann. She was the daughter of a well-known manufacturer of yarn for sewing machines. Having had a Jewish grandfather, she was considered a Vierteljüdin (one-quarter Jewish woman). By 1944, Karajan was, according to his own account,[citation needed] losing favour with the Nazi leadership, but he still conducted concerts in wartime Berlin on 18 February 1945.

Postwar years

In 1946, Karajan gave his first post-war concert in Vienna with the Vienna Philharmonic, but he was banned from further conducting activities by the Soviet occupation authorities because of his Nazi party membership. That summer he participated anonymously in the Salzburg Festival.

Nazi Party membership

Karajan joined the Nazi Party in Salzburg on 8 April 1933; his membership number was 1,607,525. In June 1933, the Nazi Party was outlawed by the Austrian government. However, Karajan's membership was valid until 1939. In that year the former Austrian members were verified by the general office of the Nazi Party. Karajan's membership was declared invalid but his accession to the party was retroactively determined to have been on 1 May 1933 in Ulm, with membership number: 3,430,914.[26][27][28]

[Permafrost]

@above great Slovene man :D

[Hellenas]

@above great Slovene man :D

Lol!!!

"Although traditional biographers ascribed a Serbian or simply a Slavic origin to his mother,[12] Karajan's family from the maternal side, through his grandfather who was born in the village of Mojstrana, Duchy of Carniola (today in Slovenia), was Slovene.[11][12][13] By this line, Karajan was related to Austrian composer of Slovene descent Hugo Wolf.[14] Karajan seems to have known some Slovene.[11][12]"

There is just a rumor he was 1/4 Slovene and 3/4 Greek... are Slovenes brown-skinned gypsies like him? ;)

[Permafrost]

Lol!!!

"Although traditional biographers ascribed a Serbian or simply a Slavic origin to his mother,[12] Karajan's family from the maternal side, through his grandfather who was born in the village of Mojstrana, Duchy of Carniola (today in Slovenia), was Slovene.[11][12][13] By this line, Karajan was related to Austrian composer of Slovene descent Hugo Wolf.[14] Karajan seems to have known some Slovene.[11][12]"

There is just a rumor he was 1/4 Slovene and 3/4 Greek...


Karajan’s maternal ancestors have been identified variously as Slovak and Serbian. Franz Endler (Karajan. Eine Biographie, Hamburg 1992) described Karajan’s mother Martha Kosmatsch (Marta Kosmač) as good and musical, but does not mention her origins.


This is particularly surprising, as today it is evident that Karajan knew Slovenian, a fact confirmed by his very good friend and conductor Carlos Kleiber. On a visit to Ljubljana in the spring of 1993, Kleiber reported that a congratulatory telegram written in Slovenian was sent to Karajan on his 75th birthday from Zasavje (the central part of Slovenia and the home of Kleiber’s wife, the ballerina Stanka Brezovar). Evidently he did not hide his Slovenian origins through his mother, if Kleiber knew about them. However, this fact is not widely known in Austrian cultural circles.

Kosmač surname cannot be anything but Slovene.


are Slovenes brown-skinned gypsies like him? ;)

Actually, he would be considered Nordid by Slovenian standards. You've not met many Slovenes did you? ;)

Example -

http://www.eljubljana.si/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/JANEZ_JANSA.jpg

[Hellenas]

Karajan’s maternal ancestors have been identified variously as Slovak and Serbian. Franz Endler (Karajan. Eine Biographie, Hamburg 1992) described Karajan’s mother Martha Kosmatsch (Marta Kosmač) as good and musical, but does not mention her origins.


This is particularly surprising, as today it is evident that Karajan knew Slovenian, a fact confirmed by his very good friend and conductor Carlos Kleiber. On a visit to Ljubljana in the spring of 1993, Kleiber reported that a congratulatory telegram written in Slovenian was sent to Karajan on his 75th birthday from Zasavje (the central part of Slovenia and the home of Kleiber’s wife, the ballerina Stanka Brezovar). Evidently he did not hide his Slovenian origins through his mother, if Kleiber knew about them. However, this fact is not widely known in Austrian cultural circles.


Kosmač surname cannot be anything but Slovene.

What's the source for that. I posted wikipedia which says that perhaps he is only 1/4 Slovenian.


Actually, he would be considered Nordid by Slovenian standards. You've not met many Slovenes did you? ;)

Example -

http://www.eljubljana.si/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/JANEZ_JANSA.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!! !

You try to pass MEDITERRANEANS for Nordids? Lol, go ask Nordicists about that.

If Herbert Von Karajan and the Slovene man you posted are "Nordids" then I am 100% Viking and southern Italians are Dutch. Ha, ha, ha.

[Permafrost]

What's the source for that. I posted wikipedia which says that perhaps he is only 1/4 Slovenian.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2500

That's what I'm claiming in fact, he is 1/4 Slovene, nothing more, nothing less.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!! !

You try to pass MEDITERRANEANS for Nordids? Lol, go ask Nordicists about that.

If Herbert Von Karajan and the Slovene man you posted are "Nordids" then I am 100% Viking and southern Italians are Dutch. Ha, ha, ha.

I was making a joke. Meds are meds, Nordids are nordids of course.

But Karajan would pass in Slovenia, just as does the Slovene politician above.

[Hellenas]

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2500

That's what I'm claiming in fact, he is 1/4 Slovene, nothing more, nothing less.

Perhaps, we don't disagree on that.


I was making a joke. Meds are meds, Nordids are nordids of course.

But Karajan would pass in Slovenia, just as does the Slovene politician above.

Ok. Don't worry, Meds can pass in all over Europe, there are Meds everywhere.

[Anglojew]

Kosmač surname cannot be anything but Slovene.



Actually, he would be considered Nordid by Slovenian standards. You've not met many Slovenes did you? ;)

Example -

http://www.eljubljana.si/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/JANEZ_JANSA.jpg

Who is that guy?

[Permafrost]

Who is that guy?

Janez (Basically, John) Janša, he used to be Slovenia's prime minister, before being charged with bribery.

Of fully Slovene ancestry, in fact his parents parents were part of the collaborationist regime during WWII. And I believe we are tying in with the topic at hand with this :D

[Grenzland]

You don't understand the ideology of NS or the definition of "Untermensch".

!!!

Funny that everybody is more racially aware that the 3rd Reich guys... :D

[jatt]

off topic.. although Nazis hated slavs for some reason but they were appreciative of Indians especially Sikhs. it is said they even asked for few thousand Sikh jatts to b sent to Germany to impregnate german women to produce very high breed kids.. this I was told by an elderly Sikh gentleman whose father served in world war.

http://indiaopines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/A-sikh-in-full-wehrmacht-uniform-httpwww.mourningtheancient.comtruth13v4.jpg.jpghtt p://www.culture24.org.uk/asset_arena/5/11/18115/v0_master.jpghttp://www.theneworder.org/media/55546/azad_hind-german_trainers.jpghttp://chromatism.net/current/images/hitlerturban.jpghttp://www.sikharchives.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/sikh_cavalry_1873.jpg

Nazis considerd themselves ubermenchen but Sikh jatts were ubermenchen of the ubermenchens to them...

[Grenzland]

Don't drink and write! :lol:

http://chromatism.net/current/images/hitlerturban.jpg

This totally convinced me... :lol:

[jatt]

Don't drink and write! :lol:

http://chromatism.net/current/images/hitlerturban.jpg

This totally convinced me... :lol:

ok what about this
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/37/02/ae/3702ae15449445710d8c8e101ecfe8aa.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ec/a7/1d/eca71d331c6ba6875458dac919be205c.jpghttp://farm9.static.flickr.com/8087/8568462815_94582cd73c_m.jpg

while there we some Sikh jatts who were friends with germans others were kicking their butt

http://www.info-sikh.com/StirlingBom.JPG


Shivdev Singh served with the famous XV Squadron flying Stirling bombers, raids over Germany followed including night attacks and on the German submarine







http://www.sikhfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/loyal_india_part2/A_Sikh_soldier.jpg

german POWS walking behind ubermenchen big daddy Sikh jatt

[Grenzland]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion

You are talking about them I presume. Well sorry, most of them were Muslims. Just 1/3 were Sikh.

And less the 3000 men weren't important at all. You Indians are some kind of crazy... :lol:

[jatt]

aaahhhh man ... even to this day women whom are anthropologist for real and not internet armchair anthropologist come to india to get impregnated by Aryan seed. problem with eurocentrics is they keep their eyes closed and live in their bubble we are the best when even hitler said real uber mensch are indians

[Anglojew]

off topic.. although Nazis hated slavs for some reason but they were appreciative of Indians especially Sikhs. it is said they even asked for few thousand Sikh jatts to b sent to Germany to impregnate german women to produce very high breed kids.. this I was told by an elderly Sikh gentleman whose father served in world war.

http://indiaopines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/A-sikh-in-full-wehrmacht-uniform-httpwww.mourningtheancient.comtruth13v4.jpg.jpghtt p://www.culture24.org.uk/asset_arena/5/11/18115/v0_master.jpghttp://www.theneworder.org/media/55546/azad_hind-german_trainers.jpghttp://chromatism.net/current/images/hitlerturban.jpghttp://www.sikharchives.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/sikh_cavalry_1873.jpg

Nazis considerd themselves ubermenchen but Sikh jatts were ubermenchen of the ubermenchens to them...

Jatt's are descendants of Scythians which would attract Nazi-types (who believed the Aryan race originated around the Himalayas). Of course another Irony is many Ashkenazi descend partially from Scythians.

[Grenzland]

I know calling Indians the überAryans is stupid enough, but I remembered this thread and after I saw this

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

I'm so sure Indians are true Übermenschen! :lol:

[Urbanuss]

Thats a interesting thread...