My Origins

[Lock]

Hello,
I am new to this forum and wanted to share my Origins results.

http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q718/lockgenforum/ETHNICTY_zpsaptr5tzz.jpg (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/lockgenforum/media/ETHNICTY_zpsaptr5tzz.jpg.html)

[Longbowman]

For future reference (and this thread!) if you wrap an image link with and it will show up in the post.

Eg; http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=57567&d=1431545417

[Lock]

Thanks

[Longbowman]

Thanks

Anyhow! Cool results. What's your ancestry breakdown?

[Lock]

I have many gaps in my family tree. Some of my ancestors were adopted and others just appear from nowhere with no trace. I do know my fathers family comes from Ilminster Somerset, England. Everyone else I only have traced to America. That is why I did the DNA test.

[Lock]

My Haplo is R1b

[Longbowman]

Have you uploaded your data to GEDmatch?

[Lock]

Yes but the website went down before I could ever use it.

[Longbowman]

Yes but the website went down before I could ever use it.

It will come back up.

[Lock]

I was told to make sure I did the Eu test on gedmatch. I know my family finder tests showed me with many 2-4th cousins in Finland, Norway, and Sweden as well as Scotland and Ireland. Oddly I have hardly any in England.

[Catkin]

Eurogenes K13 and K15 are two of the most accurate tests on Gedmatch, when it's back up :)

[Lock]

Eurogenes K13 and K15 are two of the most accurate tests on Gedmatch, when it's back up :)

Thanks, I will have to do them and post the results on here. :)

[Gooding]

Yes but the website went down before I could ever use it.

Yeah, it looks like it'll be down for a couple more days. Anyway, you've got some pretty sweet results, man! :thumb001:

[Lock]

Yeah, it looks like it'll be down for a couple more days. Anyway, you've got some pretty sweet results, man! :thumb001:

Thanks!

[Lock]

I was told that people with Italian heritage will often show a small % of Asian.

[Gooding]

I was told that people with Italian heritage will often show a small % of Asian.

I read that too, on an AncestryDNA thread.. usually people who turn up with a percentage of Italy/ Greece will also have a measure of Caucasus.

[Lock]

Gedmatch is up finally so this is what it says for me on the Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.74
2 Atlantic 24.45
3 West_Med 12.23
4 Eastern_Euro 8.68
5 Baltic 8.27
6 West_Asian 5.87
7 South_Asian 2.17


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 5.935449
2 West_German @ 7.334256
3 Southeast_English @ 7.536545
4 Orcadian @ 7.725732
5 North_Dutch @ 7.918651
6 Danish @ 8.598244
7 South_Dutch @ 8.732599
8 West_Scottish @ 9.062377
9 Irish @ 9.181736
10 Norwegian @ 9.613560
11 North_German @ 9.642224
12 West_Norwegian @ 10.349426
13 Swedish @ 11.459770
14 French @ 11.665881
15 North_Swedish @ 14.440708
16 East_German @ 15.418102
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.017202
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 20.363791
19 Hungarian @ 20.372421
20 Austrian @ 20.939592

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_German @ 4.780879


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% West_German +25% West_German @ 4.780879


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 4.674442
2 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German + West_German @ 4.780879
3 French + Orcadian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 4.800657
4 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 4.834929
5 French + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_German @ 4.867689
6 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 4.915277
7 French + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_German @ 4.934170
8 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 4.962502
9 French + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 4.991400
10 French + Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 4.998395
11 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 5.007308
12 Orcadian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 5.007919
13 Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_German @ 5.043960
14 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 5.060920
15 French + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 5.065076
16 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 5.066673
17 Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 5.066705
18 Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 5.077415
19 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_German @ 5.081355
20 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 5.105614

[Gooding]

Go ahead, Lock. The Gedmatch is back up. :)

[Lock]

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.62
2 Baltic 20.96
3 West_Med 17.11
4 West_Asian 9.32
5 South_Asian 2.51
6 East_Med 1.91


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 7.310068
2 Southwest_English @ 7.611914
3 Southeast_English @ 8.136811
4 West_German @ 8.552582
5 Irish @ 8.645767
6 Orcadian @ 8.751227
7 West_Scottish @ 9.403445
8 North_Dutch @ 9.939361
9 North_German @ 9.984871
10 Danish @ 10.259592
11 French @ 11.543912
12 Norwegian @ 12.238973
13 Swedish @ 13.774067
14 Austrian @ 14.973579
15 East_German @ 15.845387
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.756468
17 Southwest_French @ 19.296125
18 North_Swedish @ 19.676283
19 Spanish_Cantabria @ 19.928360
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.108381

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 5.983755


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.361444


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Irish + Irish + Moldavian @ 5.175165
2 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 5.180192
3 French_Basque + Irish + Moldavian + West_Scottish @ 5.263132
4 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + North_German @ 5.278602
5 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + Irish @ 5.297073
6 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.361444
7 East_German + French_Basque + Irish + North_German @ 5.379191
8 French_Basque + Moldavian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.381851
9 Croatian + French_Basque + Irish + Irish @ 5.416380
10 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_French @ 5.421095
11 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.430626
12 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + West_German @ 5.435122
13 Austrian + French_Basque + North_German + West_Scottish @ 5.468472
14 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + North_German @ 5.474805
15 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.495704
16 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.497198
17 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + West_Scottish @ 5.504897
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Italian @ 5.506088
19 Croatian + French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish @ 5.515306
20 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + Swedish @ 5.536010

[Lock]

Which one should I do next?

[Lock]

I was told I would show Asian having Italian, they were right lol

[Lock]

Eurogenes K12b

Western European 41.89%
Siberian -
East African -
West Central Asian 5.47%
South Asian 1.02%
West African -
Caucasus 4.38%
Finnish 8.06%
Mediterranean 15.64%
Southwest Asian 0.91%
North European 22.61%
East Asian -

[Gooding]

Unnecessary post.

[Lock]

I already listed them on here. Are they showing up?

[Gooding]

I already listed them on here. Are they showing up?

Yeah, they're right there. I didn't see that at first. :)

[Lock]

Looks like I am a European Mutt lol

[Gooding]

Looks like I am a European Mutt lol

It may be you're not as mixed as you might think, or maybe you are. :)

[Lock]

I am not sure how to interpret the results. lol

[Lock]

I am proud to be European :)

[Gooding]

I am not sure how to interpret the results. lol

I'm going to let Longbowman, Graham or Jackson handle this. They're the Great Genetic Triumvirate in Apriciteheim.

[Lock]

I'm going to let Longbowman, Graham or Jackson handle this. They're the Great Genetic Triumvirate in Apriciteheim.

Okay :)

[Highlands]

Congrats! nice results.

[Lock]

Thank you very much :)

[Catkin]

Good to see your results :). You're not enormously close to any single population on K13 or K15, with distances of 5-7ish, but your ancestry is not from one single population or just a couple of very close populations, so that's not that surprising. You'll have genes from one population that you wouldn't expect to see in another. You average out as closest to English or West German or South Dutch, that sort of area :). A good European mix.

Looking at the 2, 3 or 4 population combination matches can be interesting. It's not that you necessarily have any ancestry from any of the populations, but you fall between them. Eg, your 50% South-Dutch 50% SW-English on K13 says you fall close to the position half-way between these populations.





I'm going to let Longbowman, Graham or Jackson handle this. They're the Great Genetic Triumvirate in Apriciteheim.

All Brits.

:p

#proud

[Lock]

Good to see your results :). You're not enormously close to any single population on K13 or K15, with distances of 5-7ish, but your ancestry is not from one single population or just a couple of very close populations, so that's not that surprising. You'll have genes from one population that you wouldn't expect to see in another. You average out as closest to English or West German or South Dutch, that sort of area :). A good European mix.

Looking at the 2, 3 or 4 population combination matches can be interesting. It's not that you necessarily have any ancestry from any of the populations, but you fall between them. Eg, your 50% South-Dutch 50% SW-English on K13 says you fall close to the position half-way between these populations.






All Brits.

:p

#proud



Well my fathers family comes from Ilminster Somerset, England but found an old document from 1730's that told how my family came from Scotland. My user name is my surname, so Lock is very British.

[Catkin]

Well my fathers family comes from Ilminster Somerset, England but found an old document from 1730's that told how my family came from Scotland. My user name is my surname, so Lock is very British.

You may, as in your case, have ancestry from one of the places, you just don't have to have :).Yes, according to ancestry.co.uk, Lock is common in SW England, particularly Devon (which is not far from Ilminster), and Somerset is high too.

[Weedman]

You may, as in your case, have ancestry from one of the places, you just don't have to have :).Yes, according to ancestry.co.uk, Lock is common in SW England, particularly Devon (which is not far from Ilminster), and Somerset is high too.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke

Lock/Locke

[Catkin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lock

Ah yes, born in Somerset :)

[Weedman]

Ah yes, born in Somerset :)

of course, where else....


lmao

[Lock]

John Locke was the 1st cousin to my Ancestor Lewis Lock

[Weedman]

Well my fathers family comes from Ilminster Somerset, England but found an old document from 1730's that told how my family came from Scotland. My user name is my surname, so Lock is very British.

www.houseofnames.com

says it can be from SW England or the Scottish Borders too


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locke_(surname)



in the case of Scotland, it's just a variation of the word loch

someone who lived by a lake/loch

[Lock]

I come from Sir William Lok, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lok from his son Michael Lok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lok

[Weedman]

John Locke was the 1st cousin to my Ancestor Lewis Lock




that's actually a treasure, as far a geneology is concerned

[Lock]

I have a really old document that has the tree wrote out, was hard to read but very interesting to find out all the neat stuff. There is also a book written on my family that I learned the most of it from.

[Catkin]

Wow, really interesting ancestry!

[Lock]

I think the Scandinavian comes from my mothers people. I cant trace her people back very far.

[Lock]

Thanks guys

[Longbowman]

I am not sure how to interpret the results. lol

Italians don't score Asian.

However looking at your results it does seem like you're of mixed ethnicity. The nearest population to you is too far for you to be wholly or mostly a single ethnicity.

Looks fully Western European. High S. Asian (on certain runs) could be Lascar if you have recent British, if not, anomalously high IE leftover or Gypsy in descending order of likelihood.

Anything up to 1/4 Italian (if Northern) is possible IMO.

[Lock]

I spoke with the Italian people who showed up as my family and they all said Italians show false Asian percentage. They gave me links to articles on it also.

[Longbowman]

I spoke with the Italian people who showed up as my family and they all said Italians show false Asian percentage. They gave me links to articles on it also.

As in, Mongoloid (Siberian, East Asian, Amerindian) or West Asian?

[Lock]

West asian

[Longbowman]

West asian

Oh, all Europeans get that.

These runs are a little out of date. Better runs that are commercially available limit the options to a few criteria, such as 'neolithic,' 'WHG' and 'ANE,' the three primary components of Europeans. Everything else is more or less an irrelevant division.

[Lock]

Yeah someone told me that the my origins from FTDNA is more accurate, but I don't know. One thing will say one thing, and another something else. lol

[Longbowman]

Yeah someone told me that the my origins from FTDNA is more accurate, but I don't know. One thing will say one thing, and another something else. lol

23andme > FTDNA for this. FTDNA > 23andme for haplogroups.

[Lock]

My family finder does show me matched to mainly Scottish, Finnish, and Norwegians. Then I have a few Irish and a couple people from England which shocked me as I thought I would have more people from England than anything else. DNA will open your eyes to the fact you know nothing about yourself lol

[Lock]

Corrected, meant to say does show me matched. lol

[Äijä]

Eurogenes K12b

Western European 41.89%
Siberian -
East African -
West Central Asian 5.47%
South Asian 1.02%
West African -
Caucasus 4.38%
Finnish 8.06%
Mediterranean 15.64%
Southwest Asian 0.91%
North European 22.61%
East Asian -

Where is the Finnish from?

[Longbowman]

Where is the Finnish from?

Finland.

[Äijä]

Finland.

I chuckled.

I would like to know where in Finland if he has matches.

[Lock]

Where is the Finnish from?

Viitasaari Finland

[Äijä]

Viitasaari Finland

Have a family or house name? Any history?

[Lock]

Finnish surnames I match are, Hämäläinen, Rajaniemi, Huuskonen, Mustaparta, and Tuuli.

[Lock]

There are more but cant remember off the top of my head. I am in the Viitasaari Finland DNA project.

[Äijä]

Viitasaari was originally populated by Tavastians, West Finns, later Savonians, East Finns became the majority.

[Äijä]

Finnish surnames I match are, Hämäläinen, Rajaniemi, Huuskonen, Mustaparta, and Tuuli.

You have a strong Tavastian vibe.

[Lock]

Thank you

[Äijä]

Thank you

What haplos do they carry?

[Lock]

hold on, I will look

[Lock]

N-L1022 and one the same as me

[Äijä]

N-L1022 and one the same as me

Estonian Viking.

[Lock]

Yeah that is what the project owner told me also, I had forgot.

[Äijä]

Yeah that is what the project owner told me also, I had forgot.

http://www.dana-mad.ru/gal/images/Fairy-tales/Kalevala/nicolai%20kochergin_kalevala_09_the%20beauty%20of% 20pohjola%20chooses%20a%20husband_05.jpg

[Gooding]

Good to see your results :). You're not enormously close to any single population on K13 or K15, with distances of 5-7ish, but your ancestry is not from one single population or just a couple of very close populations, so that's not that surprising. You'll have genes from one population that you wouldn't expect to see in another. You average out as closest to English or West German or South Dutch, that sort of area :). A good European mix.

Looking at the 2, 3 or 4 population combination matches can be interesting. It's not that you necessarily have any ancestry from any of the populations, but you fall between them. Eg, your 50% South-Dutch 50% SW-English on K13 says you fall close to the position half-way between these populations.






All Brits.

:p

#proud

So you should be! I'd trust their genetic analysis of me even more than I'd trust my own self- analysis of my own results! If you want to see somebody have a clearer understanding of their DNA results, if you have even the slightest doubt in your own ability, go to the professionals. I give Longbowman, Graham and Jackson a shout- out as the most reliable genetic analysts I've encountered in the Apricity, together with the elder known as Agrippa ( from years gone by).

[Lock]

So, I was told that the population oracle thing is not something to take literal? So, if the oracle thing was correct, is my Mediterranean DNA Spanish or Italian? My Origins from FTDNA says it Italian, but Gedmatch is showing Spain something.. I am confused lol

[Alessio]

So, I was told that the population oracle thing is not something to take literal? So, if the oracle thing was correct, is my Mediterranean DNA Spanish or Italian? My Origins from FTDNA says it Italian, but Gedmatch is showing Spain something.. I am confused lol

Why don't you test with 23andme to see if the Italian isn't Iberian ?

[Lock]

How does ''MyOrigins'' says it's Italian ?

There is a purple blob, I was told that the darkest part of the blob is where you pinpoint the DNA. Its over Sardinia and on some of Italy.

[Lock]

I may do that soon.

[Alessio]

There is a purple blob, I was told that the darkest part of the blob is where you pinpoint the DNA. Its over Sardinia and on some of Italy.

I know but I never have seen Spanish MyOrigins results before to see if the ''blob'' is actually working correctly :p

[Lock]

And what is Iberian?

[Lock]

I know but I never have seen Spanish MyOrigins results before to see if the ''blob'' is actually working correctly :p

lol

[Lock]

Also, in my family finder test I match people in Naples.

[Alessio]

Also, in my family finder test I match people in Naples.

I'd say your most probably part Italian instead of Spanish given the fact FTDNA doesn't have many Italian descended clients; I've tested with both 23andme and FTDNA and FTDNA only gives me a few Italian matches from which the first one is from Avellino and 23andme gives me way more Italian matches from which a few are larger than 32 cM.
How much cM is your highest Italian match ?

[Lock]

Hang on I will check

[Alessio]

Hang on I will check

What is your paper trail telling ?

[Lock]

12.7 cm

[Alessio]

12.7 cm

You should really test with 23andme - they're the best in estimating Italian ancestry of all companies.

[Lock]

My paper trail is full of gaps. Some of my ancestors were adopted. I have great grandparents who were both adopted and I cant figure out where they come from. I do know they lived in Escambia County, Florida in Pensacola where many Italians came to live in the 1800's around the time they appeared.

[Alessio]

12.7 cm

You can just share your kitnumber (from GEDmatch) in a private message, it would cause no harm.
I ask this so I can look at your admixture results :)

Also Finnic DNA is relatively easy to detect; are you able to test one of your parents too ?

[Lock]

How do I send a message?

[Lock]

I would love your impute on what you see.

[Alessio]

How do I send a message?

click on the star next to the warning sign below your thumbs Up/Down and copy/paste your kit number and click on send

[Gooding]

So, I was told that the population oracle thing is not something to take literal? So, if the oracle thing was correct, is my Mediterranean DNA Spanish or Italian? My Origins from FTDNA says it Italian, but Gedmatch is showing Spain something.. I am confused lol

Family genetics are a funny thing, Lock. Imagine my surprise when I had AncestryDNA and FTDNA name almost a solid half of my genetic makeup as Western/ Central European, lol! Much of my ancestry is English, you see. I was just constantly on board here and in other places asking questions and doing research, using gedmatch.com and its engines as supplementary resources to try to unravel this mystery. LOL, Gedmatch.com just made it worse, with the supplementary Dutch and German readings I got, together with unexpected readings from Spain and Portugal ( I was on quite the Spanish Empire kick for awhile, there.. I still find Iberian and other Mediterranean women quite attractive. A " call of the blood," maybe? Who knows) confusing the crap out of me. Then, I started to read some things about early origins and some things about what you may call " deep ancestry." While 23andMe goes to your people 500 years ago, resources like AncestryDNA and FTDNA go back a bit further. A good part of the British population ( thank you, Jackson) in the central and southern areas of England have Anglo- Saxon and other assorted Germanic and Nordic heritage that comes from out of the Isles. Deep ancestry covers this. Deep ancestry can go over a millennium past where your paper trail ends, leaves the realm of paper genealogy and gets into genetic genealogy. It might answer a question of two regarding a photo or so where your ancestor doesn't fit the ethnic phenotype you tried to pigeon- hole him in. It'll take awhile to figure out, but once the piece of the puzzle begin to fall into place, the answer will seem obvious. :)

[Lock]

Sent

[Alessio]

12.7 cm

This is already a good indicator

[Lock]

I grew up believing I was Native American, if you seen what my grandparents all look like you would see why. I found out that some Finnish people have this look so when I found out I had family in Finland I started to ask questions. They all say they are not native Americans but Fins. I have no idea! lol

[Lock]

My DNA shows little to no Native DNA so now I have to scrape a lifetime of language and culture from my brain lol

[Lock]

I will upload some pics and you will see

[Lock]

My great great grandmother, Rebecca Ayers

http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q718/lockgenforum/Rebecca%20Jane%20Ayers%20Thomas_zpswrolfhwi.jpg (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/lockgenforum/media/Rebecca%20Jane%20Ayers%20Thomas_zpswrolfhwi.jpg.ht ml)

Was told she looks Sami.

[Lock]

My grandfather, Bob Lock

http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q718/lockgenforum/William%20Robert%20Lock%2001_zpsrswazmtp.jpg (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/lockgenforum/media/William%20Robert%20Lock%2001_zpsrswazmtp.jpg.html)

What does he look like to you?

[Lock]

This is me, I am told I look Italian. What do you think?

http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q718/lockgenforum/Me%20Anthony%20Lock_zpsbnd1lzhm.jpg (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/lockgenforum/media/Me%20Anthony%20Lock_zpsbnd1lzhm.jpg.html)

[Gooding]

My DNA shows little to no Native DNA so now I have to scrape a lifetime of language and culture from my brain lol

Yeah, ethnic re-identification is rarely easy.. unless of course, you're a dumbass of obviously English/ Scottish origins who tried to identify himself all over the map while trying to sweep the Cross of St. George under the rug until kind- hearted friends pointed out to him that it was the rug! :laugh: Bear in mind that all the varieties you see on gedmatch are basic distance comparisons, the degree of closeness you have to the mentioned group pointed out by a decimal number. Seeing your readings shows me that you have a very unique heritage indeed and definitely one to be proud of. The Finnish person I've met in my life was great. She was hot in a Baltid way ( still hot, though) and quite nice. I hope you study up on your newfound heritage and celebrate it! :)

[Lock]

Yeah, ethnic re-identification is rarely easy.. unless of course, you're a dumbass of obviously English/ Scottish origins who tried to identify himself all over the map while trying to sweep the Cross of St. George under the rug until kind- hearted friends pointed out to him that it was the rug! :laugh: Bear in mind that all the varieties you see on gedmatch are basic distance comparisons, the degree of closeness you have to the mentioned group pointed out by a decimal number. Seeing your readings shows me that you have a very unique heritage indeed and definitely one to be proud of. The Finnish person I've met in my life was great. She was hot in a Baltid way ( still hot, though) and quite nice. I hope you study up on your newfound heritage and celebrate it! :)

Oh yes, I love my heritage. When I found out I am not Native American I was not angry. I would rather be honest and be what I am instead of whats "Cool" in the PC society. :)

[Gooding]

This is me, I am told I look Italian. What do you think?

http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q718/lockgenforum/Me%20Anthony%20Lock_zpsbnd1lzhm.jpg (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/lockgenforum/media/Me%20Anthony%20Lock_zpsbnd1lzhm.jpg.html)

Well, with what I know about your heritage now, I'd have to ask whether or not your Finnish family could have Saami influence. If I didn't know, I would say that you definitely look Italian and the earlier pics could easily be taken for American Indians.

[Lock]

I know, yet I show no Native DNA. And the Saami people I have seen look Native to me and my Finn family is telling me they bet they are Saami. Who knows? LOL

[Lock]

My brother use to laugh and say no way was we Indians, we were Vikings. When I asked how he got that, he would say his blood told him so lol

[Lock]

Also, I have many family members showing in Poland, which was a shock. So somewhere I have a little polish in me.

[Lock]

Now that I think about it, there were many Italians who played as Indians because they looked like them. Like Iron Eyes Cody, 100% Italian and lived his life as a Native American.

[Äijä]

I know, yet I show no Native DNA. And the Saami people I have seen look Native to me and my Finn family is telling me they bet they are Saami. Who knows? LOL

What is the name of the Finn family? I have doubts.

[Lock]

Those I listed before and a bunch of others I talked to. Someone told me about forest finns also, ever heard of them?

[Lock]

What is the name of the Finn family? I have doubts.

So they don't look Saami to you?

[Lock]

They were not saying that they were, they said they could be and had the looks of them. I also went to a Finnish genealogy page and they said the same thing. I have no idea lol

[Lock]

My closest Finn match is a 2nd cousin who lives in vitaasari and his family can be traced way back in Finland. So I know I have a close Finnish tie but I don't know where as my family tree has gaps. Adopted ancestors, many who died at age 22 and 23 and their wives remarried and are unkown. That is why I turned to DNA.

[Äijä]

Those I listed before and a bunch of others I talked to. Someone told me about forest finns also, ever heard of them?

Any of those families you listed being Saami is almost zero.
I could tell by just looking at the names but did a quick search also out of interest.

Forest Finns came to New Sweden, but I doubt your Finnish ancestry is colonial?

[Äijä]

They were not saying that they were, they said they could be and had the looks of them. I also went to a Finnish genealogy page and they said the same thing. I have no idea lol

Can you link the page?

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Its a facebook page called Finnish Genealogy

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And my Finn family didn't say they were Saami, just said my grandpa and great grandmother looked Saami and that maybe that's what they were since I show little to no Native DNA.

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I got Finns trying to help me figure it out. We know its close because I have so many matches and they are close. I have a feeling my ancestor who just appeared in 1885 is my connection.

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I thought it was my Yon ancestor, but found out he came from the Netherlands.

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My closest Finn match is a 2nd cousin who lives in vitaasari and his family can be traced way back in Finland. So I know I have a close Finnish tie but I don't know where as my family tree has gaps. Adopted ancestors, many who died at age 22 and 23 and their wives remarried and are unkown. That is why I turned to DNA.

I also have some 5th cousin matches from Finland which is probably from my North Dutch side.

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How do I find Graham and Jackson to ask them for help?

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I found Jackson and sent him a PM but I cant message Graham, there is no way to private message him. Thanks for all the advice everyone!