Do all Europeans think the same?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Or, do they all have the ability to think the same? Or, are they genetically wired to think different from each other? This is something I have been wondering. I also ask, do all humans think the same, or have the ability to think the same?

Is there no kind of thought that is specific to a certain group of people? Say Englishman makes great artwork. Would a Russian be able to make the same artwork, without knowing of the existence of the artwork that the Englishman has already made? I don't know maybe I'm rambling but this is the kind of thing I think about. Is the way someone thinks has everyone to do with how they are raised or does it have more to do with their genetics? And if so, how different genetically are Europeans from each other anyway? I mean, in the bigger picture....all Europeans are pretty much the same aren't they? Countries' borders are not the same as genetic borders, maybe if borders were based only on genetics Europe would be it's own country? Except people like Sicilians who tend to be different..but for example Hungarians and Austrians shouldn't really be that different at all genetically...thoughts?

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Although intelligence is mostly due to genetics, reflexion about the world has also a lot to do with culture.
I am in Russia now and despite being more Russian than French in ancestry, I am pretty sure I think more like a French.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Although intelligence is mostly due to genetics, reflexion about the world has also a lot to do with culture.
I am in Russia now and despite being more Russian than French in ancestry, I am pretty sure I think more like a French.

Interesting answer. I am of mostly a mixture of German, Irish, Swedish and Norwegian descent plus some colonial American, and many of my greatest inspirations are either British or Slavs. So It's weird, I think that I think like the Slavic man who is my inspiration..despite not really being Slavic, besides some old Wendisch blood.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Although intelligence is mostly due to genetics, reflexion about the world has also a lot to do with culture.
I am in Russia now and despite being more Russian than French in ancestry, I am pretty sure I think more like a French.

Like I think it's weird, how I know people who have a very crazy sense of humor but they are of pure German descent and you know it's weird 'cause Germans are suppose to be really serious people with no sense of humor.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

To complete my last post I think that reflexion has to do with a lot of aspects.
1) Your intelligence. The more intelligent you are the more complex and numerous your thoughts are.
2) Your language. Each language is unique and helps shaping your brain in a different ways.
3) Your culture. It can be values that your family gave you but also the History of the nation you were born in. Like many Americans (of European descent ...) who think their country is superior to everyone or the great fear of being invaded a lot of ethnic Russians have. Those will shape your way of thinking about the world too.
4) Your environment and climate. Few considers this aspect important but I seriously think that you can't seriously think the same if you don't see the sun for months like true northerners or if you enjoy the sun everyday like med people.

[Prism]

What ? Of course not, Europeans do not all think the same , this should be an obvious answer. There are Europeans who are left-wing and Europeans who are right-wing, please elaborate by this. We are people first then races, not everybody think alike this is logical, n0 ?

As for the genetics yes the majority of our genes are similar between one another yet there are noticiable differences between European countries, as for neighbouring countries there is minimal differences but compare a Russian and an Englishman, they are quite different indeed.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

To complete my last post I think that reflexion has to do with a lot of aspects.
1) Your intelligence. The more intelligent you are the more complex and numerous your thoughts are.
2) Your language. Each language is unique and helps shaping your brain in a different ways.
3) Your culture. It can be values that your family gave you but also the History of the nation you were born in. Like many Americans (of European descent ...) who think their country is superior to everyone or the great fear of being invaded a lot of ethnic Russians have. Those will shape your way of thinking about the world too.
4) Your environment and climate. Few considers this aspect important but I seriously think that you can't seriously think the same if you don't see the sun for months like true northerners or if you enjoy the sun everyday like med people.

Maybe there is a big difference in thought between Germans and German-Americans. Because they were raised in the U.S. maybe they act different from their cousins.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

What ? Of course not, Europeans do not all think the same , this should be an obvious answer. There are Europeans who are left-wing and Europeans who are right-wing, please elaborate by this. We are people first then races, not everybody think alike this is logical, n0 ?

As for the genetics yes the majority of our genes are similar between one another yet there are noticiable differences between European countries, as for neighbouring countries there is minimal differences but compare a Russian and an Englishman, they are quite different indeed.

No I meant have the ability to think the same. Think about it this way, there is this Russian artist I really admire, could a Irish person ever create art like that? Or does it have to do with the Russians' genetics that he makes the art the way he does?

[StonyArabia]

Certainly not. NorthWest Europeans are different from Northwest Europeans, Southwest Europeans are different from Southeast Europeans, some islanders are genetic isolates are different. Sorry but Europeans are not real one entity, they differ in history, genetics, culture, and levels of advancements among themselves.

[StonyArabia]

Although intelligence is mostly due to genetics, reflexion about the world has also a lot to do with culture.
I am in Russia now and despite being more Russian than French in ancestry, I am pretty sure I think more like a French.

French and Russians are genetically far apart in both culture, and genetics.

[Äijä]

This could come in to play together with common culture.

I cant really say how it might effect Finns as most are bilingual, trilingual or more, usually in IE languages.



The principle of linguistic relativity holds that the structure of a language affects the ways in which its respective speakers conceptualize their world, i.e. their world view, or otherwise influences their cognitive processes. Popularly known as the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis, or Whorfianism, the principle is often defined to include two versions. The strong version says that language determines thought, and that linguistic categories limit and determine cognitive categories, whereas the weak version says only that linguistic categories and usage influence thought and certain kinds of non-linguistic behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

[Prism]

No I meant have the ability to think the same. Think about it this way, there is this Russian artist I really admire, could a Irish person ever create art like that? Or does it have to do with the Russians' genetics that he makes the art the way he does?

Ah ok, I get you.
Hmm, good question I would have to say it's something unique to your ethnicity, I would say that artists create their art based on what they lived through and experienced.
And an Irish person lives a completely different life and acts differently socially and mentally than a Russian person. This influences your thoughts, so I would have to say no, in conclusion.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Ah ok, I get you.
Hmm, good question I would have to say it's something unique to your ethnicity, I would say that artists create their art based on what they lived through and experienced.
And an Irish person lives a completely different life and acts differently socially and mentally than a Russian person. This influences your thoughts, so I would have to say no, in conclusion.

But what about for Americans of different ancestries. Do all Americans have the ability to think the same? I mean is it because of genetics, not ethnicity that people think differently from each other?

Say an American of Russian descent who knows nothing about Russia and an American of German descent who knows nothing about Germany, both raised in the same neighborhood, do they both have the potential to create the same exact kind of artwork?

[Prism]

But what about for Americans of different ancestries. Do all Americans have the ability to think the same? I mean is it because of genetics, not ethnicity that people think differently from each other?

It has to do more where they have grown up in and what they have experienced and much less almost nothing to do with genetics.
For example I actually know a Russian who was adopted by Irish people so I would say he doesn't differ at all in any way to a Irish person while a Russian yes, and if we take the example of a Russian family who immagrates to Ireland, obviously the child would be an intermediate thinking like an Irish person in some ways and a Russian in other ways due to the fact of the Irish influence from society and the Russian influence from his family.

American yes, because they all live in one society, and in one mentality, generally speaking of course.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

It has to do more where they have grown up in and what they have experienced and much less almost nothing to do with genetics.
For example I actually know a Russian who was adopted by Irish people so I would say he doesn't differ at all in any way to a Irish person while a Russian yes, and if we take the example of a Russian family who immagrates to Ireland, obviously the child would be an intermediate thinking like an Irish person in some ways and a Russian in other ways due to the fact of the Irish influence from society and the Russian influence from his family.

Very interesting. Basically why I am asking this, is I don't like the idea that some people think different than each other only because of genetics. Especially because of the stereotypes people have of Germans, it annoys me, because I know fully German-Americans who are the exact opposite of peoples' stereotypes. They have crazy sense of humor, are rarely if ever serious about something, and always happy and joking...exact opposite of stereotype of serious Germans, perfectionists, always thinking seriously, very emotionless and very skilled at what they do...while this isn't really a bad stereotype, it still offends me because I know people in the German diaspora who are the exact opposite.

[Trogdor]

No I meant have the ability to think the same. Think about it this way, there is this Russian artist I really admire, could a Irish person ever create art like that? Or does it have to do with the Russians' genetics that he makes the art the way he does?

The type of art he makes probably has more to do with the culture of the country he lives in. Not his genetics. People are products of their environment. Russians and the Irish would have different cuisines, for example.

[Prism]

Very interesting. Basically why I am asking this, is I don't like the idea that some people think different than each other only because of genetics. Especially because of the stereotypes people have of Germans, it annoys me, because I know fully German-Americans who are the exact opposite of peoples' stereotypes. They have crazy sense of humor, are rarely if ever serious about something, and always happy and joking...exact opposite of stereotype of serious Germans, perfectionists, always thinking seriously, very emotionless and very skilled at what they do...while this isn't really a bad stereotype, it still offends me because I know people in the German diaspora who are the exact opposite.

Very accurate stereotype haha. As I said before it depends virtually nothing to do with genetics and more the things that you have experienced in life, and stereotypes are accurate yet there are exceptions everywhere.

[Dombra]

Europeans have some similarities but the truth is that we are probably the most diverse in terms of thoughts, a sign of intelligence. Brown people tend to think the all the same, only some East Asians are rivals to Europeans in this regard

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Very accurate stereotype haha. As I said before it depends virtually nothing to do with genetics and more the things that you have experienced in life, and stereotypes are accurate yet there are exceptions everywhere.

Yeah, but as I was saying I know people in the German diaspora who are lazy as hell, are by far not perfectionists, very unskilled, and rarely if ever serious, always having a laugh. So really has more to do with the individual...

[Prism]

Yeah, but as I was saying I know people in the German diaspora who are lazy as hell, are by far not perfectionists, very unskilled, and rarely if ever serious, always having a laugh. So really has more to do with the individual...

Yes I agree, there are exceptions but I think stereotypes cover the slight majority like 60%, but also depends on the countries I think western Europeans are leaving their stereotypes faster every generation, while Eastern Europeans are more traditional and keep more to their stereotype, maybe 80-85%.

[щрбл]

Do all Europeans think the same?

Not sure if this is a serious question or not... but obviously the answer is 'No'. Even though many people are trying to destroy 'our' educational systems by dumbing down the general level, namely socialists, liberal democrats and so on, thinking by yourself and taking initiatives is largely promoted in school. What could be interesting to compare is the eastern/western ways of education. If you look at the older text books in history/geography for example, kids in ex-commies countries had to learn a tremendous amount of nonsense and puke it out at every single exam. (producing large masses of illiterate and/or incapable of thinking independently subhumans) It's been my case as well to a certain degree because many countries haven't been able to reform their education systems, largely due to pressure from the above mentioned political forces and their lobbies. But anyway, the easy access to internet and the quasi-infinite quantity of information giving anybody the ability to form themselves an opinion by looking at different point of views of the same matter has proven to be their worst nightmare, fortunately.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Very accurate stereotype haha. As I said before it depends virtually nothing to do with genetics and more the things that you have experienced in life, and stereotypes are accurate yet there are exceptions everywhere.

And I mean, like, German-Americans who are very funny, not just people who joke all the time and their jokes aren't funny. They are genuinely very funny and can make your sides hurt. It's just weird because you wouldn't expect someone of fully German blood to be able to do that...

[Prism]

And I mean, like, German-Americans who are very funny, not just people who joke all the time and their jokes aren't funny. They are genuinely very funny and can make your sides hurt. It's just weird because you wouldn't expect someone of fully German blood to be able to do that...

Man it's experience not genetics as I said before.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Not sure if this is a serious question or not... but obviously the answer is 'No'. Even though many people are trying to destroy 'our' educational systems by dumbing down the general level, namely socialists, liberal democrats and so on, thinking by yourself and taking initiatives is largely promoted in school. What could be interesting to compare is the eastern/western ways of education. If you look at the older text books in history/geography for example, kids in ex-commies countries had to learn a tremendous amount of nonsense and puke it out at every single exam. (producing large masses of illiterate and/or incapable of thinking independently subhumans) It's been my case as well to a certain degree because many countries haven't been able to reform their education systems, largely due to pressure from the above mentioned political forces and their lobbies. But anyway, the easy access to internet and the quasi-infinite quantity of information giving anybody the ability to form themselves an opinion by looking at different point of views of the same matter has proven to be their worst nightmare, fortunately.

No, you misunderstand, the question was do they have the ability to think the same...let's say you have two just born babies, both of different genetic background, depending on how they are raised do they both have the potential to do the same things, or are some things 'fixed' for certain groups of people, genetically?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Man it's experience not genetics as I said before.

Right.

[Trogdor]

Very interesting. Basically why I am asking this, is I don't like the idea that some people think different than each other only because of genetics. Especially because of the stereotypes people have of Germans, it annoys me, because I know fully German-Americans who are the exact opposite of peoples' stereotypes. They have crazy sense of humor, are rarely if ever serious about something, and always happy and joking...exact opposite of stereotype of serious Germans, perfectionists, always thinking seriously, very emotionless and very skilled at what they do...while this isn't really a bad stereotype, it still offends me because I know people in the German diaspora who are the exact opposite.

I don't think stereotypes for Germans are the same as stereotypes for German-Americans (I don't really know any). If you look at an Irish-American stereotype it would probably be different than the stereotype of someone who is from Ireland. Just like how stereotypes of Italian-Americans are different than stereotypes of someone from Italy.

[щрбл]

No, you misunderstand, the question was do they have the ability to think the same...let's say you have two just born babies, both of different genetic background, depending on how they are raised do they both have the potential to do the same things, or are some things 'fixed' for certain groups of people, genetically?

Alright. I have a twin (sister) and we have had the same education but we're absolutely different! As for the contrary situation, education plays a huge role. If you look at universities, every single one of them is full of people from so many different backgrounds. Success is more a matter of personal incentive, family background, working/studying group friends and more or less money! So yep, genes play a role of course, but differences when it comes to the bulk of people will most likely fade, imo.

(I don't think that what I said was completely off topic though, lowering the general level at school shapes your incentive, expectations and ability to accept a challenge. If all you've been doing at school is parroting, being born a genius won't help you much! :p)

edit: I would have given a more educated answer but I do not anything about the brain! All I do know is that it evolves throughout one's whole life depending on one's activities! Also the very early years(7?) are extremely important. Does it however overcome the inborn differences among individuals/races? Maybe someone who knows can share a thought or two... but objectively speaking, it probably does...

[Desaix DeBurgh]

The type of art he makes probably has more to do with the culture of the country he lives in. Not his genetics. People are products of their environment. Russians and the Irish would have different cuisines, for example.

Sorry retard but the liberal Tabula Rasa theory has been proven to be pseudo-science by modern science. That doesn't mean that culture doesn't play a role but that it is far from 100% culture. Take your liberal Franz Boas nonsense and shove it up your liberal ass since like you like being ass raped by your Jewish intellectual masters as a liberal.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Sorry retard but the liberal Tabula Rasa theory has been proven to be pseudo-science by modern science. That doesn't mean that culture doesn't play a role but that it is far from 100% culture. Take your liberal Franz Boas nonsense and shove it up your liberal ass since like you like being ass raped by your Jewish intellectual masters as a liberal.

wtf is your signature, why do you associate yourself with romans? French aren't even related to romans, they are backwards gauls (celts). They have nothing in common with other Romance cultures except they speak Romance language.

[Trogdor]

Sorry retard but the liberal Tabula Rasa theory has been proven to be pseudo-science by modern science. That doesn't mean that culture doesn't play a role but that it is far from 100% culture. Take your liberal Franz Boas nonsense and shove it up your liberal ass since like you like being ass raped by your Jewish intellectual masters as a liberal.

Well someone is cranky. :lol:

All I said was that I thought it had more to do with their surroundings and culture than genetics. Although we all have DNA, there are factors that determine the expression of that DNA. Your upbringing and experiences, primarily.

[lyllo]

Southern Italians and Sicilians are more 'Eastern' in mentality.

[Stimpy]

Intelligence is highly genetic, however how you collectively ''think'' has ALOT to do with culture.

Modern North West-European culture is probably the most individualistic in the entire world at the time a.k.a. different ways of thinking is prominent.

[Stimpy]

Southern Italians and Sicilians are more 'Eastern' in mentality.

They're more Near-Eastern in more than mentality. Genetically so as well.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

They're more Near-Eastern in more than mentality. Genetically so as well.

Yes. both mentality and Genetically.

[Arch Hades]

What kind of stupid question of this? Ever hear of World War 2? Obviously they do not.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Yes, I cant tell the greeks from the swedes . They all look alike.

[Mortimer]

i think not all russians have the same ability to create the same artwork, lets say a artwork which was created by one russian not all russians could do that. that being said there is something like intelligence and talent and motivation which is strongly genetic but it cant be generalised for all races, that all individuals of the same race or subrace or ancestry have the same abilities. i dont know how it is about irish vs russians or such but not all humans have the same abilities, not all russians have the same abilities not all europeans have the same abilities. plus language, culture, upbringing, environment and yes luck/coincidence play a role too why someone creates something or has a discovering thought etc. and why someone else doesnt.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Each individual human is unique with their own fingerprints, appearance, voice, style, personality, childhood experiences, schooling, life circumstances, diets, some people have mental health problems, people may have one of the hundreds of different brain diseases, there's people who take drugs, medications, people with different personalities, hobbies, interests, views, lifestyles, beliefs, political views, etc, people of different ages, people who grow up in different regions, people with different levels of education and social experiences in life which forms a persons views, beliefs, their personality, etc.... humans aren't just robotic clones of each other. :rolleyes: Do you think, dress and look the exact same and have the exact same hobbies and interests and views and beliefs and music tastes, etc, as every single person in your neighbourhood?! There can be similarities which stems from a shared culture, living with the same political environment, and growing up and adapting to the social nature and etiquette rules of a society, but even in the continent of Europe there's variations of cultures and how people think and behave within the different cultures.

[igo112]

...

[Journeyman26]

Very interesing thought. I definitely think the culture you are brought up in will affect your type of artistic expression as well as pretty much any facet of your life. For exampe, I grew up in the midwest and as such love big cars and country music. But my dad grew up in London England, and likes small sporty cars and hates country music. As such, I think that any human being educated and reared under the same cultural conditions will manifest that shared upbringing in shared output, whether it be artistic, or more practical. In that way, I don't think it is genetically imparted, just culturally.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

What kind of stupid question of this? Ever hear of World War 2? Obviously they do not.

You fucking idiot! Understand the question you moron before you call my question stupid...the question was not do all Europeans think the same but do all Europeans have the ability to think the same...or are some just genetically wired to think differently? That was the question you ignorant moron!

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Very interesing thought. I definitely think the culture you are brought up in will affect your type of artistic expression as well as pretty much any facet of your life. For exampe, I grew up in the midwest and as such love big cars and country music. But my dad grew up in London England, and likes small sporty cars and hates country music. As such, I think that any human being educated and reared under the same cultural conditions will manifest that shared upbringing in shared output, whether it be artistic, or more practical. In that way, I don't think it is genetically imparted, just culturally.

Yes, very good answer...someone who actually understood the question. Someone who actually has a brain! Thank you.