Are Iberians closer to Semites or to Slavs?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I was just thinking about this. Obviously they are not very close to either so that's why it's an interesting question. From what I've heard Slavs are pretty isolated.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, Hitler thought to exterminate all of us when Auschwitz was free.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Yes, Hitler thought to exterminate all of us when Auschwitz was free.

Well I don't think he cared that much for anyone besides Germans....people think of him as a white nationalist but in reality he was simply German nationalist. For a white nationalist wouldn't say 'kill all the slavs'. Slavs are also white...he probably didn't like iberians either.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

bump

[Sikeliot]

Neither.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Neither.

That's the thing they have to be at least a little closer to one of them, right? It's such an interesting question because they are really isolated from both...

[Sikeliot]

That's the thing they have to be at least a little closer to one of them, right? It's such an interesting question because they are really isolated from both...

I guess Semites then.

[Cristiano viejo]

An very interesting fact it is that in the time of Caliphato there were thousand of Slav slaves under the Muslim rule.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

An very interesting fact it is that in the time of Caliphato there were thousand of Slav slaves under the Muslim rule.

Interesting, I did not know that...

[Cristiano viejo]

Interesting, I did not know that...

Moors liked to buy Slav slaves for their armies and their domestic service and harems. In Cordoba in the year 950 there were more than 10.000 Slav Slaves there.

[Wadaad]

Phoenicians, Jews, Arabs, Semiticized Moors all settled/occupied Iberia

INFACT...the first time Slavs set foot in Iberia were as merceneries brought by the Ummayads. No Arabs = no Slavs in Spain. (look up "Slavic Taifas")

So I dont know who is closer...but Semites had more impact on Iberia.

(edit...my habibi Christiano mentioned it before me)

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

slavs are not meds so I would go with semites

[Arch Hades]

If modern Ashkenazi Jews are Semites then they could be closer to them than to far off Slavic groups like Eastern Russians or something.

[Sikeliot]

Iberians are mostly Western European but they are one of the very few European groups that probably has genuine Semitic ancestry rather than just Neolithic Near Eastern.

[Arch Hades]

Iberians are mostly Western European but they are one of the very few European groups that probably has genuine Semitic ancestry rather than just Neolithic Near Eastern.

It has to be pretty small I'd say. The Moors were not Semites, they were predominitely Berbers. And that admixture in Iberia is maybe ~5% on average.

[Sikeliot]

It has to be pretty small I'd say. The Moors were not Semites, they were predominitely Berbers. And that admixture in Iberia is maybe ~5% on average.

Can you think of anywhere with higher actual Semitic ancestry though? Iberia would be one of the few.

[Rugevit]

I was just thinking about this. Obviously they are not very close to either so that's why it's an interesting question. From what I've heard Slavs are pretty isolated.

Overall closer to Slavs, particular to southern Slavs. Output from MDLP 22 calculator for Iberian


2. Spaniard
3. Portuguese
14 Montenegrin
16 Bulgarian
17 Macedonian
19 Ashkenazim_V (_V sample from personal project)
22 Serbian
34 Bosnian
37 Croatian
38 Slovenian
45 Czech
49 Slovak
50 Sephardim
57 Ukrainian_West
64 Ukrainain_Centre
67 Cypriot
75 Russian_Cossack
76 Ukrainian_East
79 Ukrainian
82 Russian_South
84 Polish
88 Russian_North
89 Turk
92 Russian_Centre
94 Lebanese
102 Jordanian
103 Syrian
106 Palestian
118 Belarusian
119 Iraqi
122 Estonian
168 Lithuanian

[Rugevit]

Dodecad V1 calculator output for Spaniards


26. Slovenian
31. Ashkenazy_Jews
34 Ashkenazi_D
36. Balkans_D
41 Sephardic_Jews
49. Polish_D
50. Cypriots
57 Palestinian
58 Lebanese
64 Jordanians_19
70 Russian_D
71 Kurd
74 Iranian_Jews
75 Syrians
76 Iraqi_Jews
77 Yemenese
78 Russian
79 Belarusian
88 Assyrians_D
98 Lithuanian

[Smeagol]

Semites probably.

[Cristiano viejo]

slavs are not meds so I would go with semites
What simplistic conclusion :picard1:


If modern Ashkenazi Jews are Semites then they could be closer to them than to far off Slavic groups like Eastern Russians or something.
Well, Iberians have nothing to do with Ashkenazis, beingthem Semites or not.


It has to be pretty small I'd say. The Moors were not Semites, they were predominitely Berbers. And that admixture in Iberia is maybe ~5% on average.
Sikeliot talked about Phoenicians not the Moors (Berbers). There were a few Phoenician settlements in current Andalusia and Balearic Islands. They were just traders, like Greeks. Later Carthaginians, who were Phoenicians too, founded Cartagena, in Southern Spain too. But Romans allied with Iberians defeated and expelled them toward Carthago in Tunis.

Semite contribution in Iberian genetic pool (Carthaginian and Phoenician) only is in Sikeliot mind and so.

[Rugevit]

If modern Ashkenazi Jews are Semites then they could be closer to them than to far off Slavic groups like Eastern Russians or something.

Ashkenazi Jews from eastern Europe are similar to southern Italians. I've seen the results in calculators. I am sharing with some Jews from eastern Europe on 23andme.

[Arch Hades]

Ashkenazi Jews from eastern Europe are similar to southern Italians. I've seen the results in calculators. I am sharing with some Jews from eastern Europe on 23andme.

Yes I know, but the question is are Spanish closer to Ashkenazi Jews or Slavs.

[Rugevit]

Yes I know, but the question is are Spanish closer to Ashkenazi Jews or Slavs.

I'd say even to southern Slavs (Montenegrins, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Serbs) and Ashkenazi. Western Slavs are more distant than Ashkenazi. North-eastern Slavs such as Belarusians & north-western Russians are the most distant from Iberians.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes I know, but the question is are Spanish closer to Ashkenazi Jews or Slavs.
R1a is found among Cantabrians (northerners) in much more highly amounts than whatever Neolhitic/Semite is scored in Balearic Islands or where there were Phenician settlements.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes I know, but the question is are Spanish closer to Ashkenazi Jews or Slavs.
R1a is found among Cantabrians (northerners) in much more highly amounts than whatever Neolhitic/Semite is scored in Balearic Islands or where there were Phenician settlements.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

What simplistic conclusion :picard1:


Yes I know, very simple conslusion for such a simple and easy question
, Semites are closer to Iberians than Slavs are...:picard2:

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes I know, very simple conslusion for such a simple and easy question
, Semites are closer to Iberians than Slavs are...:picard2:


R1a is found among Cantabrians (northerners) in much more highly amounts than whatever Neolhitic/Semite is scored in Balearic Islands or where there were Phenician settlements.

Nor in genotype nor in phenotype. Your conclusion was simplistic. I will go with other: French are Meds so they close with Semites better than with Slavs "because both are Med". Pathetic conclusion eh.
And what about Slavo-Meds such as Slovenes, Croatians or even Serbs?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Nor in genotype nor in phenotype. Your conclusion was simplistic. I will go with other: French are Meds so they close with Semites better than with Slavs "because both are Med". Pathetic conclusion eh.
And what about Slavo-Meds such as Slovenes, Croatians or even Serbs?

The IQ is clear in new Haiti.

[Damião de Góis]

Probably depends on which Slavs.

[Empecinado]

Phoenicians, Jews, Arabs, Semiticized Moors all settled/occupied Iberia

INFACT...the first time Slavs set foot in Iberia were as merceneries brought by the Ummayads. No Arabs = no Slavs in Spain. (look up "Slavic Taifas")

So I dont know who is closer...but Semites had more impact on Iberia.

(edit...my habibi Christiano mentioned it before me)

The Slavic ruled taifas in dark green:

http://almaztrading.com/files/5113/9432/1084/almaztradingtaifaseslavas.jpg

Match with areas that currently have more Slavs living there, seems they like the sea and heat.

[Hithaeglir]

Lol...

I assume they would cluster closer to Slavs,considering that they are both european populations.

The options are both hilarious.

[Cristiano viejo]

There were SO FAR much more Slavs (although they were Slaves) than Arabs.
In any case, both groups were Muslims, all of them or what was left of them, were killed of expelled.

[Rugevit]

Interestingly, Iberians have a separate branch of N1c1 belong to the group commonly found among Slavs, Balts and Scandinavians, but not frequently among Finns and other Finno-Ugric speakers.

[Damião de Góis]

Interestingly, Iberians have a separate branch of N1c1 belong to the group commonly found among Slavs, Balts and Scandinavians, but not frequently among Finns and other Finno-Ugric speakers.

N1c1 in Iberia? Do you have a link?

[Rugevit]

N1c1 in Iberia? Do you have a link?

N1c1 is not a frequent among Iberians, but there is a basal haplotype found among them.


http://s13.postimg.org/5rj6fud1j/n1c1.png

[Rugevit]

Basal haplotype found among Spaniards



http://s28.postimg.org/astapr8t9/spanish.png

[Rugevit]

Lol...

I assume they would cluster closer to Slavs,considering that they are both european populations.


Europeans are a lot more similar than some people may think. Even those living on the fringes of Europe.

[Damião de Góis]

I never saw N1c1 being listed in any haplogroup frequency study for Spain or Portugal before. The info above must be a freak occurrence. N barely exists outside of Finland, the Baltic states and Russia.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Keep Shake It]

Semites.

[Rugevit]

I've done some calculations using median values from Eurogenes K8 run (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x8pm8sVcHqceiNFJMO082kxaBF5ePr4__bAK05VQRFw/edit#gid=2145681294). Verdict an _average Spaniard_ (based on average values of populations from different regions of Spain) are closer to all Slavs. More closer than other southern Europeans as per the calculations.


Spaniards-Average - 0
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Spanish_Extremadura
Spanish_Baleares
Spanish_Galicia
Spanish_Andalucia
Spanish_Murcia
Spanish_Aragon
Spanish_Valencia
Spanish_Cataluna
Spanish_Cantabria
Spanish_Canarias
Montenegrin
Serbian
Macedonian
North_Italian
Bulgarian
Romanian
Spanish_Pais_Vasco
French
Basque_French
Serbian_Bosnia
Bosnian
Gagauz
Croatian
Kosovar
Central_Greek
Hungarian
German
Tuscan
Greek_Thessaly
Moldavian
Utah_USA
SE_English
SW_English
Sardinian
Greek
Utah_German
Orcadian
Ukrainian_Lviv
West_Scottish
Bell_Beaker_LN
Ukrainian_Poltava
Italian_Abruzzo
Central_Sicilian
LBK_LN
Ukrainian_Belgorod
Utah_Scandinavian
Norwegian
Ukrainian_Kharkov
West_Sicilian
Swedish
Halberstadt_LBA
Russian_Voronez
East_Sicilian
Russian_Orel
Polish
Unetice
Russian_Smolensk
Russian_Kursk
Polish_Estonian
Ashkenazi
Russian_Tver
Moksha
South_Italian
Belarusian
Corded_Ware_LN
Erzya
Russian_Kostroma
Russian_Kargopol
Estonian
Russian_Arkhangelsk
Lithuanian
Finnish
Sephardic_Jews
Vepsian
Karelian
Cypriot
Lebanese_Muslim
Syrian
Jordanian
Palestian
Lebanese_Christian
Bedouin
Assyrian
Iranian_Jewish
Iraqi_Jewish
Saudi



You can see it better on PCA plot : http://postimg.org/image/53im9h2e1/full/

[Rugevit]

Phylogenetic tree showing Spaniards, Slavs, Syrians and Iranians froma a study Standing at the Gateway to Europe (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105090) published last year.

Clearly , Spaniards are closer to Slavs than to Syrians and Iranians. http://postimg.org/image/gmy0tuwz3/full/

[Black Wolf]

Holy fuck lol.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Lol...

I assume they would cluster closer to Slavs,considering that they are both european populations.

The options are both hilarious.

That's the point :)

[Rugevit]

Spaniards have much Celtic and Basque like heritage. If they did not have north African influence they'd have been very similar to French, who are already similar to Spaniards according to the results posted above.

[Neon Knight]

Since Ashkenazis are not true Semites (Middle-Easterners) then Iberians are closer to Slavs, or at least the western Slavs.

[Deneb]

Spaniards have much Celtic and Basque like heritage. If they did not have north African influence they'd have been very similar to French, who are already similar to Spaniards according to the results posted above.

I dont think so. France has 8% of I1, even 14% in Flanders-Artois. Spain only 1,5% with maximum in Galicia and Extremadura at 3%. Nordic influence is more strong in France in genetics and taxonomy.

[Rugevit]

I dont think so. France has 8% of I1, even 14% in Flanders-Artois. Spain only 1,5% with maximum in Galicia and Extremadura at 3%. Nordic influence is more strong in France in genetics and taxonomy.

We're discussing autosomal DNA here. Spaniards are close to French in comparison to other Europeans. See the published study above.

[Cristiano viejo]

Since Ashkenazis are not true Semites (Middle-Easterners) then Iberians are closer to Slavs, or at least the western Slavs.
And what do have to do Ashkenazis with Spaniards?

[Neon Knight]

And what do have to Ashkenazis with Spaniards?I did not say they had. I was just making the point that Ashk's are not full Semites.

[ius semper]

Semites although the expulsion of moors and jews of 1492 did have a huge impact, nowadays I don't think it would reach more than 4-5% of the population. Oh, and Iberians are nothing like french. French are celtic, germanic and roman while iberians are celtiberian/roman mainly.

[Neon Knight]

Semites although the expulsion of moors and jews of 1492 did have a huge impact, nowadays I don't think it would reach more than 4-5% of the population. Oh, and Iberians are nothing like french. French are celtic, germanic and roman while iberians are celtiberian/roman mainly.The central and southern French have quite a lot in common with Spaniards, autosomally.

[StonyArabia]

Canary Islanders are closer to Semites than to Slavs, due to their maternal Guanche ancestry. The Gunaches were an Afro-Asiatic people similar to Berbers and Egyptians who are related to the Semites. The more Guanche you are the more North African you look.

[ius semper]

The central and southern French have quite a lot in common with Spaniards, autosomally.

Something in common with spaniards maybe but not with andalusians, the last ones look very greek to me ( ovbiously gypsies and half moors dont count)

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

The IQ is clear in new Haiti.

Wow man I never seen such ass kissing, You going to pm me again to be my friend again :rolleyes:
Nobody wants to associate with you man, Not even mexicans or americans

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Something in common with spaniards maybe but not with andalusians, the last ones look very greek to me ( ovbiously gypsies and half moors dont count)

Yes Andalusians are pretty far off.

[SupaThug]

Yes Andalusians are pretty far off.

Source?

[StonyArabia]

Yes Andalusians are pretty far off.

Canarians are the ones that far off, because of their Afro-Asiatic blood on their maternal line. The Spanish even said that they were a small race of "Semites" on some islands, and had a color similar to that of the Amerindians. However apparently one some islands they were dipigmented and taller stock. However the true Guanches did not look much different from modern day North Africans, however the Spanish impacted Whitened and lightned the population. However there is a lot of Canarians who do look more North African depending on how Gunache they are.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Source?

You mean to tell me that French and Andalusians are close...I don't believe that...

[SupaThug]

You mean to tell me that French and Andalusians are close...I don't believe that...

Yes,they are!

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Yes,they are!

I guess I'll take your word for it, look I am very ignorant of genetics, okay? :) I wouldn't know...

[SupaThug]

I guess I'll take your word for it, look I am very ignorant of genetics, okay? :) I wouldn't know...

Andalusians are not different from other Iberians.

[ius semper]

Yes,they are!

I mean, you're asking me for a source when we're all speaking in 18th century terms like atlantomed or gracile med without even knowing or having done a genetic study over populations. Asking for sources in TA is ridiculous

[SupaThug]

I mean, you're asking me for a source when we're all speaking in 18th century terms like atlantomed or gracile med without even knowing or having done a genetic study over populations. Asking for sources in TA is ridiculous

Andalusians plot together with other Iberians,that's a genetic fact and he was implying they were a distinct group in Iberia!

[Empecinado]

Yes Andalusians are pretty far off.

This is far off? Andalusians are genetically the same than the other Spaniards and look no different from them:

http://www.radiogranada.es/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Equipo-Granada-Futsal-Sordos-2009.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G87KtqdNBT8/UhTq4zD-MkI/AAAAAAAABaQ/dIf-MLEq19g/s1600/DSC_0134.JPG

http://www.cbalmeria.es/Portals/0/noticias/cbalmeria/CB%20Almeria.JPG

http://andaluciainformacion.es/cms/media/articulos/articulos-199118.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CmiAmZTCPaE/UQ7KSnORECI/AAAAAAAAmP8/Thmxu_ZQGsY/s1600/Cadete+Femenino.JPG

http://www.sanfernandocd.com/media/images/noticias/q9ggm97.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-42H81Bwh1zM/UJuchVWf7gI/AAAAAAAAA54/QlYgbuqsH_o/s1600/stromboli+juvenil+fs.jpg

http://deportes.utreraweb.com/extras/imagenes/utreraweb.com.lv37k0n1NebII4daTgN68AHFj9eC0IXN7aIW Q2kMHfzF2GKhsb.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XXEcm6lnZAI/Ub8q1Dkg5QI/AAAAAAAAAU4/KkIYnvH3Tmo/s1600/2013-06-16+10.12.42.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sEKRWorMhOs/TkJrCyV0DxI/AAAAAAAAODc/S4UgcNA6vNo/s1600/FEMENINO.JPG

http://www.doshermanas.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/C.W.-Dos-Hermanas-EMASESA-Primera-Nacional-2011-12.jpg

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

This is far off?

http://www.radiogranada.es/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Equipo-Granada-Futsal-Sordos-2009.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G87KtqdNBT8/UhTq4zD-MkI/AAAAAAAABaQ/dIf-MLEq19g/s1600/DSC_0134.JPG

http://www.cbalmeria.es/Portals/0/noticias/cbalmeria/CB%20Almeria.JPG

http://andaluciainformacion.es/cms/media/articulos/articulos-199118.jpg


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CmiAmZTCPaE/UQ7KSnORECI/AAAAAAAAmP8/Thmxu_ZQGsY/s1600/Cadete+Femenino.JPG

http://www.sanfernandocd.com/media/images/noticias/q9ggm97.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-42H81Bwh1zM/UJuchVWf7gI/AAAAAAAAA54/QlYgbuqsH_o/s1600/stromboli+juvenil+fs.jpg

http://deportes.utreraweb.com/extras/imagenes/utreraweb.com.lv37k0n1NebII4daTgN68AHFj9eC0IXN7aIW Q2kMHfzF2GKhsb.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XXEcm6lnZAI/Ub8q1Dkg5QI/AAAAAAAAAU4/KkIYnvH3Tmo/s1600/2013-06-16+10.12.42.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sEKRWorMhOs/TkJrCyV0DxI/AAAAAAAAODc/S4UgcNA6vNo/s1600/FEMENINO.JPG

http://www.doshermanas.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/C.W.-Dos-Hermanas-EMASESA-Primera-Nacional-2011-12.jpg

I stand corrected, Andalusians brothers! Look, I am ignorant of genetics so forgive me...it's just they are the southernmost in Iberia so I thought maybe they would be more distant from French but I guess not.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

This is far off? Andalusians are genetically the same than the other Spaniards and look no different from them:

http://www.radiogranada.es/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Equipo-Granada-Futsal-Sordos-2009.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G87KtqdNBT8/UhTq4zD-MkI/AAAAAAAABaQ/dIf-MLEq19g/s1600/DSC_0134.JPG

http://www.cbalmeria.es/Portals/0/noticias/cbalmeria/CB%20Almeria.JPG

http://andaluciainformacion.es/cms/media/articulos/articulos-199118.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CmiAmZTCPaE/UQ7KSnORECI/AAAAAAAAmP8/Thmxu_ZQGsY/s1600/Cadete+Femenino.JPG

http://www.sanfernandocd.com/media/images/noticias/q9ggm97.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-42H81Bwh1zM/UJuchVWf7gI/AAAAAAAAA54/QlYgbuqsH_o/s1600/stromboli+juvenil+fs.jpg

http://deportes.utreraweb.com/extras/imagenes/utreraweb.com.lv37k0n1NebII4daTgN68AHFj9eC0IXN7aIW Q2kMHfzF2GKhsb.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XXEcm6lnZAI/Ub8q1Dkg5QI/AAAAAAAAAU4/KkIYnvH3Tmo/s1600/2013-06-16+10.12.42.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sEKRWorMhOs/TkJrCyV0DxI/AAAAAAAAODc/S4UgcNA6vNo/s1600/FEMENINO.JPG

http://www.doshermanas.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/C.W.-Dos-Hermanas-EMASESA-Primera-Nacional-2011-12.jpg

I'm part Occitan which is southernmost French and I know we are closest to Catalans, Aragonese...but very close to Spaniards over all, and I guess that includes Andalusians...:)

[Damião de Góis]

I stand corrected, Andalusians brothers! Look, I am ignorant of genetics so forgive me...it's just they are the southernmost in Iberia so I thought maybe they would be more distant from French but I guess not.

Basically Iberians form one cluster from a genetic point of view, even if some regional differences can be observed.
Only in a few countries people are different from each other genetically, like Italy for example.

http://blog.23andme.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/novembreblogpostfig.jpg

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Basically Iberians form one cluster from a genetic point of view, even if some regional differences can be observed.
Only in a few countries people are different from each other genetically, like Italy for example.

http://blog.23andme.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/novembreblogpostfig.jpg

Ah, very interesting. So South French/Occitans are closer to the Andalusians and Portuguese than I thought...see I thought Catalans/Occitans were farther away from them...I guess I was wrong.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Wow man I never seen such ass kissing, You going to pm me again to be my friend again :rolleyes:
Nobody wants to associate with you man, Not even mexicans or americans

What? Negro just because I'm thumb up and you aren't doesn't make one...Stupid.

Really? Who? I don't give a fuck about those people you're referring to.

[Pausanias]

Are Iberians closer to Martians or to Australoids?

[ius semper]

Are Iberians closer to Martians or to Australoids?

Hmm... id say a mix between martians but with some north african admixture..

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

This is far off? Andalusians are genetically the same than the other Spaniards and look no different from them:

http://www.radiogranada.es/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Equipo-Granada-Futsal-Sordos-2009.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G87KtqdNBT8/UhTq4zD-MkI/AAAAAAAABaQ/dIf-MLEq19g/s1600/DSC_0134.JPG

http://www.cbalmeria.es/Portals/0/noticias/cbalmeria/CB%20Almeria.JPG

http://andaluciainformacion.es/cms/media/articulos/articulos-199118.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CmiAmZTCPaE/UQ7KSnORECI/AAAAAAAAmP8/Thmxu_ZQGsY/s1600/Cadete+Femenino.JPG

http://www.sanfernandocd.com/media/images/noticias/q9ggm97.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-42H81Bwh1zM/UJuchVWf7gI/AAAAAAAAA54/QlYgbuqsH_o/s1600/stromboli+juvenil+fs.jpg

http://deportes.utreraweb.com/extras/imagenes/utreraweb.com.lv37k0n1NebII4daTgN68AHFj9eC0IXN7aIW Q2kMHfzF2GKhsb.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XXEcm6lnZAI/Ub8q1Dkg5QI/AAAAAAAAAU4/KkIYnvH3Tmo/s1600/2013-06-16+10.12.42.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sEKRWorMhOs/TkJrCyV0DxI/AAAAAAAAODc/S4UgcNA6vNo/s1600/FEMENINO.JPG

http://www.doshermanas.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/C.W.-Dos-Hermanas-EMASESA-Primera-Nacional-2011-12.jpg

Just to clarify, you are basically saying that southern French people are closer to Andalusians, than south Germans? I am a little skeptical of that... That is if we use the logic that Andalusians are just the same as Catalans, Aragonese, etc.

And the Portuguese too...anyways I find this very interesting....

[Empecinado]

Just to clarify, you are basically saying that southern French people are closer to Andalusians, than south Germans? I am a little skeptical of that... That is if we use the logic that Andalusians are just the same as Catalans, Aragonese, etc.

And the Portuguese too...anyways I find this very interesting....

No. What I'm saying is that Andalusians (that btw don't exist as a group, "Andalusia" is a fake region created in 1978) don't differ from other Spaniards.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

What? Negro just because I'm thumb up and you aren't doesn't make one...Stupid.

Really? Who? I don't give a fuck about those people you're referring to.

Yes you do and everyone knows lol. Your not a thumb up, your an ass with a thumb up it. So shut your mouth ok sub-human.

And noo. You cannot have BBC http://s13.postimg.org/f0e5kuhiv/bandicam_2015_05_30_16_04_45_386.jpg

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

No. What I'm saying is that Andalusians (that btw don't exist as a group, "Andalusia" is a fake region created in 1978) don't differ from other Spaniards.

But by saying so you are saying that French people, well Southern French anyway, are very close to them because it is well known that the Southern French people are closest to "Spaniards" and if all "Spaniards" are basically the same, including the Andalusians, then that would include them would it not? Also according to you and some other members Portuguese are also the same people.

BTW the link that French and South Germans share is a Celtic link, because southernmost Germans descend partly from Hallstatt culture and North Italians and French people also have Celtic ancestry, and the Gauls were Celts...

[Damião de Góis]

But by saying so you are saying that French people, well Southern French anyway, are very close to them because it is well known that the Southern French people are closest to "Spaniards" and if all "Spaniards" are basically the same, including the Andalusians, then that would include them would it not? Also according to you and some other members Portuguese are also the same people.

BTW the link that French and South Germans share is a Celtic link, because southernmost Germans descend partly from Hallstatt culture and North Italians and French people also have Celtic ancestry, and the Gauls were Celts...

What is the problem now?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

What is the problem now?

It is not a problem :D I don't necessarily disagree with you.

[EL_BARBARO]

No. What I'm saying is that Andalusians (that btw don't exist as a group, "Andalusia" is a fake region created in 1978) don't differ from other Spaniards.


And then he'll answer you: "Ah! Oh! Sorry! I am no expert in Genetics! I thought so, but now I am thinking different! Ah, Oh, interesting! ", a guy with over 2 thousand posts here in this forum where almost always a new threat about iberians is open... Oh, hard to believe! Come on...

[EL_BARBARO]

Are Iberians closer to Martians or to Australoids?


Are Iberians closer to East Samoans or to North Madagascarans?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

And then he'll answer you: "Ah! Oh! Sorry! I am no expert in Genetics! I thought so, but now I am thinking different! Ah, Oh, interesting! ", a guy with over 2 thousand posts here in this forum where almost always a new threat about iberians is open... Oh, hard to believe! Come on...

What are you inferring about me?

It's some other users putting the idea in my head that some Spanish are different than others :D it is not my fault...

[SupaThug]

But by saying so you are saying that French people, well Southern French anyway, are very close to them because it is well known that the Southern French people are closest to "Spaniards" and if all "Spaniards" are basically the same, including the Andalusians, then that would include them would it not? Also according to you and some other members Portuguese are also the same people.

BTW the link that French and South Germans share is a Celtic link, because southernmost Germans descend partly from Hallstatt culture and North Italians and French people also have Celtic ancestry, and the Gauls were Celts...

What's up with your obssesion with Iberians?

[Damião de Góis]

And then he'll answer you: "Ah! Oh! Sorry! I am no expert in Genetics! I thought so, but now I am thinking different! Ah, Oh, interesting! ", a guy with over 2 thousand posts here in this forum where almost always a new threat about iberians is open... Oh, hard to believe! Come on...

Yeah, i've just came to that conclusion as well. This guy is a troll.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Yeah, i've just came to that conclusion as well. This guy is a troll.

What have I really done that makes you think that?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

What's up with your obssesion with Iberians?

They are a great people, I want to know more about them.

[SupaThug]

They are a great people, I want to know more about them.

Italic roots members want to know more about them too.

[EL_BARBARO]

What are you inferring about me?

It's some other users putting the idea in my head that some Spanish are different than others :D it is not my fault...


Are Iberians closer to Kamchatkians or to East Aleutians or perhaps to Central Sajalians?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Are Iberians closer to Kamchatkians or to East Aleutians or perhaps to Central Sajalians?

Okay I get it, you think it was a stupid question but it makes more sense than those questions...

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Italic roots members want to know more about them too.

Yeah but they don't think they are a great people...the difference between me and Italic rats is I want to know more about Iberians because I think they are awesome and I want to know what makes them that way, whereas Italic rats think Iberians are inferior and want to know what makes them so...

[Cristiano viejo]

Last week this guy claimed a conexion with Basques because he is Irish and supposedly Irish and Basques are related.
This week he claims a conexion with Catalans because he is French and sypposedly there is a relation.
Last week Basques were his brothers.
This week the Catalans.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Last week this guy claimed a conexion with Basques because he is Irish and supposedly Irish and Basques are related.
This week he claims a conexion with Catalans because he is French and sypposedly there is a relation.
Last week Basques were his brothers.
This week the Catalans.

First, I am OCCITAN, and my Mother is part Occitan, and nobody is closer to Occitans than Catalans, you are just ignorant because you know little about Occitans. If you knew anything about them you would know that Catalan is the language most closely related to Occitan...and genetics also proves they are the same people Occitans are mostly related to Catalans, Aragonese and North Italians. Since all Iberians are pretty close, they are even closer with Andalusians and Portuguese than Germans. Occitans are a Mediterrean people, by definition, and closely related to Spaniards and North Italians.

Secondly, I think the Irish do probably come from Iberia because that's what Irish legend says. I don't think they are related to the Basque necessarily...

[Cristiano viejo]

First, I am OCCITAN, and my Mother is part Occitan, and nobody is closer to Occitans than Catalans, you are just ignorant because you know little about Occitans. If you knew anything about them you would know that Catalan is the language most closely related to Occitan...and genetics also proves they are the same people Occitans are mostly related to Catalans, Aragonese and North Italians. Since all Iberians are pretty close, they are even closer with Andalusians and Portuguese than Germans. Occitans are a Mediterrean people, by definition, and closely related to Spaniards and North Italians.

Secondly, I think the Irish do probably come from Iberia because that's what Irish legend says. I don't think they are related to the Basque necessarily...

I dont know how you dare to call me ignorant in Occitan affairs when in the Occitan genetic thread I gave you a lesson about them.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I dont know how you dare to call me ignorant in Occitan affairs when in the Occitan genetic thread I gave you a lesson about them.

Yes that's true, but you are ignorant of Occitan genetics :) obviously the Occitans and Catalans are close...very close..if you din't know that then you are ignorant on the genetics of the Occitans anyway :P

I don't see why we can't be friends, it seemed like you were cool until you inferred I was a troll...

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes that's true, but you are ignorant of Occitan genetics :) obviously the Occitans and Catalans are close...very close..if you din't know that then you are ignorant on the genetics of the Occitans anyway :P
I dont know from where you gaves that conclusion :coffee:

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I dont know from where you gaves that conclusion :coffee:

From autosomal dna testing...

[Cristiano viejo]

From autosomal dna testing...

What?? I dont follow you.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

What?? I dont follow you.

You asked why I came to the conclusion that Occitans are closest to Catalans, genetically. I said it was from autosomal DNA testing...right?

[Cristiano viejo]

You asked why I came to the conclusion that Occitans are closest to Catalans, genetically. I said it was from autosomal DNA testing...right?

You are mistaking me with other person. I have asked you nothing.

[Grace O'Malley]

They are closer to Slavs. All Europeans are closer to each other. Spanish cluster between French and Northern Italians.

[barbatus]

No idea. Closer to the Semites of NA likely but that's not to say they're close to either.
I am really quite fond of the Portuguese

[Green]

R1a is found among Cantabrians (northerners) in much more highly amounts than whatever Neolhitic/Semite is scored in Balearic Islands or where there were Phenician settlements.

y eso que coño mierda importa, yo tengo el halogrupo materno H1 y el halogrupo paterno R1b1b2

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/iy0TM4eX6xJGY9hjAHYOidN9kDjfNlhDBpX35VLLU_g=w1618-h911-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dYCuox5__RdFArr75cpuPsRTTkVcovGb_E7eTVZmTak=w1620-h911-no


pero en el gedmatch me sale esto.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6vsilcwC_VliNydes3kKG1PnpGI-pnHwF0yE6Ujz4M0=w1620-h911-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bvRpJWhKUJImj2XADT620ygMaPbe7QF5sMW6lCi_gTM=w1620-h911-no

Tengo ganas que te lo hagas tu chaval te vas a cagar. Te va a salir south asian por un huevo por tu sangre gitana.

[Green]

muy bien todos los españoles a ponerme negativos, todos os ponéis de parte ese Cristiano Viejo.

[Empecinado]

Tranquilitos todos, no voy a admitir más insultos a nadie.

[Green]

Tranquilitos todos, no voy a admitir más insultos a nadie.

acaso crees que yo he empezado, ¿pero tu has leído lo que me ha dicho?, ¿por que tiene que insultar mi físico?, a mi banean y el sale de rositas, muy bien eh si señor.

[Empecinado]

acaso crees que yo he empezado, ¿pero tu has leído lo que me ha dicho?, ¿por que tiene que insultar mi físico?, a mi banean y el sale de rositas, muy bien eh si señor.

Sí, lo he leído y he borrado los comentarios, es la primera advertencia. No sé quien ha empezado pero a la siguiente el que insulte se va baneado, me la suda quien sea.

[Cristiano viejo]

y eso que coño mierda importa, yo tengo el halogrupo materno H1 y el halogrupo paterno R1b1b2

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/iy0TM4eX6xJGY9hjAHYOidN9kDjfNlhDBpX35VLLU_g=w1618-h911-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dYCuox5__RdFArr75cpuPsRTTkVcovGb_E7eTVZmTak=w1620-h911-no


pero en el gedmatch me sale esto.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6vsilcwC_VliNydes3kKG1PnpGI-pnHwF0yE6Ujz4M0=w1620-h911-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bvRpJWhKUJImj2XADT620ygMaPbe7QF5sMW6lCi_gTM=w1620-h911-no

Tengo ganas que te lo hagas tu chaval te vas a cagar. Te va a salir south asian por un huevo por tu sangre gitana.
¿Cómo te atreves a decir que yo te he insultado, o que yo empecé esta ciberpelea, después de escribir este post, lleno de mentiras y calumnias, totalmente off topic en este thread?:lol:

@Empecinado
veo fatal que hayas borrado mi post :mad:, era totalmente legítimo y ajustado a derecho :)
Este troll debería ser baneado, por falsa identidad y por idiota redomado.

[Green]

¿Cómo te atreves a decir que yo te he insultado, o que yo empecé esta ciberpelea, después de escribir este post, lleno de mentiras y calumnias, totalmente off topic en este thread?:lol:

@Empecinado
veo fatal que hayas borrado mi post :mad:, era totalmente legítimo y ajustado a derecho :)
Este troll debería ser baneado, por falsa identidad y por idiota redomado.

Aquí tienes más insultos hacia mi, ¿lo vas a banear acaso?.

[Empecinado]

1. Green es español, su IP lo es y sus resultados por lo que he podido ver no son robados. Que no haya más discusión sobre esto.

2. No más insultos por parte de nadie, y ya no lo repito más.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Due to Moors influences, Semites.

[Lusos]

Due to Moors influences, Semites.

There's an interesting surname in Britain "moorhouse"
Mine Is of Greek,Germanic and Latin Origins.

[Cristiano viejo]

1. Green es español, su IP lo es y sus resultados por lo que he podido ver no son robados. Que no haya más discusión sobre esto.

2. No más insultos por parte de nadie, y ya no lo repito más.
Green no es español, su IP está en España porque es inmigrante, manda huevos.
¿Cómo sabes que sus resutados no son robados? está clarísimo que lo son. Si fuera español no estaría insultando a España como está.


Due to Moors influences, Semites.
We are not like Italians, sorry.

[Green]

Green no es español, su IP está en España porque es inmigrante, manda huevos.
¿Cómo sabes que sus resutados no son robados? está clarísimo que lo son. Si fuera español no estaría insultando a España como está.



Te parece suficiente prueba.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/33wOwuEaz1iNEYyyMnfKYNwinfIWEG1J3HHqbXviF9I=w708-h943-no


Pon tu foto si tienes huevos, que lo dudo mucho la verdad.

[Green]

Como puedes comprobar es una captura de mi pantalla y las pestañas de otras webs como apricity.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/z5wDk23rfPKKZ64iYfXOSLESnlOlffzg60xlTLRfwpY=w1620-h911-no

[Empecinado]

Green no es español, su IP está en España porque es inmigrante, manda huevos.
¿Cómo sabes que sus resutados no son robados? está clarísimo que lo son. Si fuera español no estaría insultando a España como está.


Somos el país más endófobo y donde más comunes son esos comportamientos, no debería extrañar eso.

[Raghead]

Due to Neolithic Admixture of Brown Indigenous Iranians who mated with white girls n europe along the mediterranean, the greek, spanish, portuguese, and italians are no longer white but are mixed. The Neolithic farmers were Iranians, this is a fact because Iran is the origin of Neolithic farming settlements such as Ganj Dareh and animal domestication such as the goat, sheep, and cow.