Classify these Algerian and where they can pass

[MsSPF]

Classify these Algerian with different looks and parts of the country and where they can pass in general

Slimane Dazi, French actor from Tlemcen

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.agencesimpson.fr/IMG/jpg/site_5-4.jpg&sa=X&ei=zORqVZyWBsaS7AbX0YLwDA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEQ4fCa3udno9PRjN5ukR--V7N3Zg

Fawzi Chaouchi, Algerian footballer from Boumerdes, Kabyle :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://lafouinekabyle.football.fr/public/.chaouchi_m.jpg&sa=X&ei=evdqVc3rDqqU7QaZlIPACg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFwpY41dPXUFRiWqNTSx-JTNYlVYg


Souhila Mallem, Algerian actress from Algiers :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000469978119/51fa1760d309d2fe80af4379283a7fcf.jpeg&sa=X&ei=g-ZqVaX5Hca67gb_1YPQCw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4EA&usg=AFQjCNEGf6C3wkDWMesBvhxDeRSIDY_H3w

Amel Zen, Algerian singer from Tipaza (Chenoui)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10624935_677978045633731_6883997623584094448_n.jpg ?oh=2b913930d01d3c5e48bd70dc8b88aa49&oe=55EE06D3&__gda__=1442659557_857ee22ac6ed41b32eaec97c8658abe b

Bouchra Benosman, French humorist from Algiers Kabyle family and Chaoui

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10418959_296589953858526_7156453946361426412_n.jpg ?oh=640a40c16964b0ce33583dcc12d4d57e&oe=5606E241

Amal Wahby (Harkat her real surname), Algerian singer from Skikda and her sister, Zahra Harkat, model and host tv :
http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.maghrebspace.net/P622948/d5b3fca488b64fe7def0a0bff4f415e6/___www_maghrebspace_net__27042013120132_270Amel%20 wahby.jpg&sa=X&ei=F-lqVdreJ82R7Aa5ooOwDA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHM8CtU-4PvFSBtTyWQkNLcmQEkoQ

Zaho, Algerian-Canadian singer from Algiers :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/4/15/28/84/@/1690756-exclusif-zaho-enregistrement-de-950x0-2.jpg&sa=X&ei=1e1qVYLgJuSM7AaS64HIDA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEbTvzmXpuGjvCUhNf028XBgxG3HQ

Sofia Boutella, French-Algerian dancer and actress from Algiers and Oran :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://cdn-premiere.ladmedia.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/racine/star/sofia-boutella-76112/10079217-53-fre-FR/Sofia-Boutella_portrait_w193h257.jpg&sa=X&ei=4u5qVdqLKKLQ7AaV_YK4CQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc4FA&usg=AFQjCNH5Fd4tnUfBMupHHOZl7gABhGASnA

Nawel Madani, Belgian humorist and dancer from Oran :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/13054_na_new.jpg&sa=X&ei=0_1qVYnzMY_e7Aatz4OYBw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEnsk6IyxT5XiYRfDT9QX5zrtdF0g

Biyouna, Algerian humorist and actress from Algiers :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://medias.unifrance.org/medias/174/114/94894/format_page/media.jpg&sa=X&ei=me9qVeK2CrSS7Aa64IHwCQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEy6SlLlSyqGcJ2txK9nPeDtHMROg

Yasmine Ammari, Algerian singer from Oran :

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/602298_372037379548714_452592647_n.jpg?oh=b832dd73 d0fc64e93ad386961300e1ea&oe=560BF86D

Idir, Algerian singer from Tizi Ouzou (Kabyle)

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://podiumprod.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/idir.jpg&sa=X&ei=NPBqVYn1KKfP7gaLh4L4DQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNF-SRfuaR5RchasnX5SzymzqDH2Pw

Souad Massi, Algerian singer, Kabyle :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://pmdvod.nationalgeographic.com/NG_Video_DEV/959/735/bab-el-madhi-wm_480x360.jpg&sa=X&ei=nfBqVdGTAdGI7AbbhIOQAg&ved=0CAkQ8wc4twE&usg=AFQjCNF4z1CLBzBVgrBN8vtwYkj8ayiT9Q

Sabrina Ouazani, French actress from Sidi Bel Abbes :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://cdn-premiere.ladmedia.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/public/photos-people/photos-hiam-abbass-et-sabrina-ouazani-heureuse-de-se-retrouver-trois-ans-apres-la-source-des-femmes-3991075/sabrina-ouazani-le-29-avril-2014-a-paris-pour-l-avant-premiere-du-film-de-guerre-lasse2/72805043-1-fre-FR/Sabrina-Ouazani-le-29-avril-2014-a-Paris-pour-l-avant-premiere-du-film-De-guerre-lasse_portrait_w858.jpg&sa=X&ei=0PBqVcCLFeSr7AaW64P4Cw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHmlsTs_-lf0px9YEP-MLCUx2K2hQ

Sid Ahmed Agoumi, Algerian actor, Kabyle :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://diffusionph.cccommunication.biz/jpgok/Repmr/892/89243_2.jpg&sa=X&ei=MvFqVcDwIKTn7gbHy4L4Bg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGcwFsKiSpm-GY02WD5VWGr68VT1A


Zakaria Ramdane, Algerian actor and producer from Tlemcen :

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/r180/11068330_935990259798315_7165353724297999216_n.jpg ?oh=fd9c5fb828c2fef4a95941fd300a819a&oe=560137A6

Abdelkader Djeriou, in the right, Algerian actor from Sidi bel Abbes :

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10995697_570500933052572_6118573880081338108_n.jpg ?oh=802032908e35543e47fccb4dc37bea8b&oe=5601371F

Khaled Benaissa, Algerian actor from Annaba :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://medias.unifrance.org/medias/126/185/113022/format_page/media.jpg&sa=X&ei=VPNqVb6YJYfj7Abkr4GwDA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFCbEDcQx-3ZW7IdMJwLzbNNZJxrA

Lyes Salem, Algerian actor and director from Algiers :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4RpHcYNand4/maxresdefault.jpg&sa=X&ei=g_NqVdD0CrKv7AaBuYBQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc4KQ&usg=AFQjCNF8uU6emRffYvwYeYo-KtwSLm5Omg

Jhon Rachid, French humorist and youtuber from Setif :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/533747472901095424/bd3u_f9i.jpeg&sa=X&ei=_PVqVdDpKci57gbh_YGwBg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNF8PZjLOSjtra6gJIBj0VqunvpjrQ

[MsSPF]

Nadia Kaci, Algerian actress from Algiers, Kabyle but not sure :

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/1560418_10204199093754780_8568400011515883198_n.jp g?oh=e8d980bc0420f549cba2857ca651ced8&oe=5607A930

Said Bouteflika, Algerian politician from Tlemcen :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.algerie-focus.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/said-bouteflika.jpg&sa=X&ei=TvxqVf-dDOi07Qakt4P4Bw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4Dw&usg=AFQjCNEHpCQKiUWEsH8gI6TiYq346ESq_Q

Yacine Brahimi, Algerian footballer, Kabyle and from Ghardaia (Sahara) :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/107805.jpg&sa=X&ei=cPxqVcLzBcyI7Abs84PQCg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFm0q07HHp9VjpZ8G43rzedCykQXg

Maya Zerrouki, Algerian journalist from Tipaza :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.dzeriet-dz.com/fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Sans-titre-24-660x330.jpg&sa=X&ei=MftqVZidPIrX7AainoOACg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGnZZlrM5377ru6MU1BamgDNK183g

Melissa M, French singer from Bejaia (Kabyle)

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.canailleblog.com/photos/blogs/sophie6720090223184402.jpg&sa=X&ei=CAFrVYCsO8y17gaHyIDICg&ved=0CAkQ8wc4FA&usg=AFQjCNE81amy7-SViXs0nH10kVu4ELTEqQ

Kenza Farah, French singer from Bejaia too (Kabyle)

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://img.musiquemag.fr/datas/fiches/k/e/kenza-farah/n/kenza-farah-4b5a05a65ffba.jpg&sa=X&ei=LQFrVd-7OKnX7QaZ_IOgBg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHOFe_HBG3w7SyzNv-awJe9pugnAg

Mehdi Ramdani, Algerian actor, don't know from which region :

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/944400_458446147573136_1278157630_n.jpg?oh=122fbb7 6894adff05b89749ac6da52b5&oe=56020410

[Deneb]

Classify these Algerian with different looks and parts of the country and where they can pass in general

Slimane Dazi, French actor from Tlemcen

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.agencesimpson.fr/IMG/jpg/site_5-4.jpg&sa=X&ei=zORqVZyWBsaS7AbX0YLwDA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEQ4fCa3udno9PRjN5ukR--V7N3Zg

Fawzi Chaouchi, Algerian footballer from Boumerdes, Kabyle :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://lafouinekabyle.football.fr/public/.chaouchi_m.jpg&sa=X&ei=evdqVc3rDqqU7QaZlIPACg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFwpY41dPXUFRiWqNTSx-JTNYlVYg


Souhila Mallem, Algerian actress from Algiers :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000469978119/51fa1760d309d2fe80af4379283a7fcf.jpeg&sa=X&ei=g-ZqVaX5Hca67gb_1YPQCw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4EA&usg=AFQjCNEGf6C3wkDWMesBvhxDeRSIDY_H3w

Amel Zen, Algerian singer from Tipaza (Chenoui)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10624935_677978045633731_6883997623584094448_n.jpg ?oh=2b913930d01d3c5e48bd70dc8b88aa49&oe=55EE06D3&__gda__=1442659557_857ee22ac6ed41b32eaec97c8658abe b

Bouchra Benosman, French humorist from Algiers Kabyle family and Chaoui

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10418959_296589953858526_7156453946361426412_n.jpg ?oh=640a40c16964b0ce33583dcc12d4d57e&oe=5606E241

Amal Wahby (Harkat her real surname), Algerian singer from Skikda and her sister, Zahra Harkat, model and host tv :
http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.maghrebspace.net/P622948/d5b3fca488b64fe7def0a0bff4f415e6/___www_maghrebspace_net__27042013120132_270Amel%20 wahby.jpg&sa=X&ei=F-lqVdreJ82R7Aa5ooOwDA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHM8CtU-4PvFSBtTyWQkNLcmQEkoQ

Zaho, Algerian-Canadian singer from Algiers :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/4/15/28/84/@/1690756-exclusif-zaho-enregistrement-de-950x0-2.jpg&sa=X&ei=1e1qVYLgJuSM7AaS64HIDA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEbTvzmXpuGjvCUhNf028XBgxG3HQ

Sofia Boutella, French-Algerian dancer and actress from Algiers and Oran :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://cdn-premiere.ladmedia.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/racine/star/sofia-boutella-76112/10079217-53-fre-FR/Sofia-Boutella_portrait_w193h257.jpg&sa=X&ei=4u5qVdqLKKLQ7AaV_YK4CQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc4FA&usg=AFQjCNH5Fd4tnUfBMupHHOZl7gABhGASnA

Nawel Madani, Belgian humorist and dancer from Oran :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/13054_na_new.jpg&sa=X&ei=0_1qVYnzMY_e7Aatz4OYBw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEnsk6IyxT5XiYRfDT9QX5zrtdF0g

Biyouna, Algerian humorist and actress from Algiers :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://medias.unifrance.org/medias/174/114/94894/format_page/media.jpg&sa=X&ei=me9qVeK2CrSS7Aa64IHwCQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEy6SlLlSyqGcJ2txK9nPeDtHMROg

Yasmine Ammari, Algerian singer from Oran :

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/602298_372037379548714_452592647_n.jpg?oh=b832dd73 d0fc64e93ad386961300e1ea&oe=560BF86D

Idir, Algerian singer from Tizi Ouzou (Kabyle)

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://podiumprod.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/idir.jpg&sa=X&ei=NPBqVYn1KKfP7gaLh4L4DQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNF-SRfuaR5RchasnX5SzymzqDH2Pw

Souad Massi, Algerian singer, Kabyle :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://pmdvod.nationalgeographic.com/NG_Video_DEV/959/735/bab-el-madhi-wm_480x360.jpg&sa=X&ei=nfBqVdGTAdGI7AbbhIOQAg&ved=0CAkQ8wc4twE&usg=AFQjCNF4z1CLBzBVgrBN8vtwYkj8ayiT9Q

Sabrina Ouazani, French actress from Sidi Bel Abbes :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://cdn-premiere.ladmedia.fr/var/premiere/storage/images/public/photos-people/photos-hiam-abbass-et-sabrina-ouazani-heureuse-de-se-retrouver-trois-ans-apres-la-source-des-femmes-3991075/sabrina-ouazani-le-29-avril-2014-a-paris-pour-l-avant-premiere-du-film-de-guerre-lasse2/72805043-1-fre-FR/Sabrina-Ouazani-le-29-avril-2014-a-Paris-pour-l-avant-premiere-du-film-De-guerre-lasse_portrait_w858.jpg&sa=X&ei=0PBqVcCLFeSr7AaW64P4Cw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHmlsTs_-lf0px9YEP-MLCUx2K2hQ

Sid Ahmed Agoumi, Algerian actor, Kabyle :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://diffusionph.cccommunication.biz/jpgok/Repmr/892/89243_2.jpg&sa=X&ei=MvFqVcDwIKTn7gbHy4L4Bg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGcwFsKiSpm-GY02WD5VWGr68VT1A


Zakaria Ramdane, Algerian actor and producer from Tlemcen :

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/r180/11068330_935990259798315_7165353724297999216_n.jpg ?oh=fd9c5fb828c2fef4a95941fd300a819a&oe=560137A6

Abdelkader Djeriou, in the right, Algerian actor from Sidi bel Abbes :

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10995697_570500933052572_6118573880081338108_n.jpg ?oh=802032908e35543e47fccb4dc37bea8b&oe=5601371F

Khaled Benaissa, Algerian actor from Annaba :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://medias.unifrance.org/medias/126/185/113022/format_page/media.jpg&sa=X&ei=VPNqVb6YJYfj7Abkr4GwDA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFCbEDcQx-3ZW7IdMJwLzbNNZJxrA

Lyes Salem, Algerian actor and director from Algiers :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4RpHcYNand4/maxresdefault.jpg&sa=X&ei=g_NqVdD0CrKv7AaBuYBQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc4KQ&usg=AFQjCNF8uU6emRffYvwYeYo-KtwSLm5Omg

Jhon Rachid, French humorist and youtuber from Setif :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/533747472901095424/bd3u_f9i.jpeg&sa=X&ei=_PVqVdDpKci57gbh_YGwBg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNF8PZjLOSjtra6gJIBj0VqunvpjrQ

15, 16, 17 and 18 could pass for Iberians.

[ius semper]

If those are the typical algerians then they're by far lighter than I expected. Lots could pass in southern Italy, by pigmentation some in southern spain too but the facial features just don't fit at all in Iberia. The two last guys have the look of north-african that I expected.

[Ctwentysevenj]

The lightest ones, therefore the most European ones could pass in Southern Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Calabria and Greece.

This one could pass in the areas I have mention plus south France

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.algerie-focus.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/said-bouteflika.jpg&sa=X&ei=TvxqVf-dDOi07Qakt4P4Bw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4Dw&usg=AFQjCNEHpCQKiUWEsH8gI6TiYq346ESq_Q

[blubb]

Interesting variation from close to 0% to 50% or more SSA

[MsSPF]

If those are the typical algerians then they're by far lighter than I expected. Lots could pass in southern Italy, by pigmentation some in southern spain too but the facial features just don't fit at all in Iberia. The two last guys have the look of north-african that I expected.

I'm just back from Algeria and these looks are typical. The thing is that in Algeria phenotypes are very various and Algerian can be dark like Lyes Salem or Yacine Brahimi or light like Maya Zerrouki or Abdelkader Djeriou for example. Features are the same, Algerian can be very gracile (mostly) or robust or SSA. And these looks are all common. Of course, to me, the most generic look are Melissa M, Fawzi Chaouchi, Bouchra Benosman, Mehdi Ramdani, Kenza Farah, Jhon Rachid, Said Bouteflika, Harkat sisters, Amel Zen, Souad Massi or Souhila Mallem ones. And even them, they are different from each other. Algeria is a big country with various climates and landscapes and the country known different invasions and mixing which give a diversity physically.

[Deneb]

The lightest ones, therefore the most European ones could pass in Southern Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Calabria and Greece.

This one could pass in the areas I have mention plus south France

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.algerie-focus.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/said-bouteflika.jpg&sa=X&ei=TvxqVf-dDOi07Qakt4P4Bw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4Dw&usg=AFQjCNEHpCQKiUWEsH8gI6TiYq346ESq_Q

In spite oh his light eyes his facial features are too much maghrebies. Not the best example.

[Bagot]

Less than 20% could pass in Europe, not only in southern Europe, but with other pics I bet that even less. 80% clearly can't pass.

[ius semper]

In spite oh his light eyes his facial features are too much maghrebies. Hes not the best example.

His facial features are maghrebies?? I've seen people in southern france and in spain with the same ones...

[Bagot]

The lightest ones, therefore the most European ones could pass in Southern Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Calabria and Greece.

This one could pass in the areas I have mention plus south France

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.algerie-focus.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/said-bouteflika.jpg&sa=X&ei=TvxqVf-dDOi07Qakt4P4Bw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4Dw&usg=AFQjCNEHpCQKiUWEsH8gI6TiYq346ESq_Q


His facial features are maghrebies?? I've seen people in southern france and in spain with the same ones...

Other pics of him, he can't pass. One pic is never enough

http://dzactiviste.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/said_bouteflika.jpg

http://www.mohamedzitout.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/said-bouteflika1.jpg

[MsSPF]

Other pics of him, he can't pass. One pic is never enough

http://dzactiviste.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/said_bouteflika.jpg

http://www.mohamedzitout.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/said-bouteflika1.jpg

True, his facial features are typically Berber. He's the brother of the Algerian president, they have light eyes/hair but features are Maghrebis.

[ius semper]

Other pics of him, he can't pass. One pic is never enough

http://dzactiviste.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/said_bouteflika.jpg

http://www.mohamedzitout.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/said-bouteflika1.jpg

For sure, in those ones he looks 0% european. If his face was very dark, he would look like a paki.

[MsSPF]

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Abdelaziz_Bouteflika.jpg&sa=X&ei=yBFrVZrCFJSV7AaBzYLYCg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHJOdXDiYRp2CYboVMrhIvPSlxzBw

Abdelaziz Bouteflika. He's "lighter" than his brother through and looks Algerian as hell

[okjoe]

In spite oh his light eyes his facial features are too much maghrebies. Not the best example.

he looks more European to me

[okjoe]

http://www.africanaute.com/photos/bibliotheques/13091/169-sid-ahmed-agoumi.jpg

this one looks Italian

[Deneb]

http://www.africanaute.com/photos/bibliotheques/13091/169-sid-ahmed-agoumi.jpg

this one looks Italian

By far more european look than the previous one with blue eyes. In taxonomy facial features are more significant than skin tone.

[Keep Shake It]

Some pass in italy

[Tekken]

The Maghreb seems to be one of the least racially homogenous region on earth.
These phenotypes are all over the place.
From Caucasian looking, to negroid looking.

I would say the majority still have that core meditteranid racial makeup, and would fit more or less in various parts of Spain, Portugal, or Southern Italy.

So core meditteranid with admixture thats either various caucasoid (the very white ones) or negroid (negro hair and lips).

[Bagot]

Some pass in italy

1 or 2 in south Italy but they could pass anywhere in southern Europe. A striking majority can't pass.

[MsSPF]

Few other singers of Algerian background :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://auto.img.v4.skyrock.net/3397/37093397/pics/2808844473_1.jpg&sa=X&ei=JhVrVaPFBbDd7QaO8IGYCw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4EQ&usg=AFQjCNGYwrXQKld3mFDTAm59OQH6O5_Zxg


http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://cdn9.staztic.com/app/a/4039/4039489/cheb-akil-wallpaper-puzzle-1-2-s-307x512.jpg&sa=X&ei=nRVrVdmUNonb7AbNm4DQDg&ved=0CAkQ8wc4Eg&usg=AFQjCNGUA5FcfOZMKzh82aS6ZGpXpkTGCQ


http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://cdn2.greatsong.net/photo/ext/cheb-bilal-514.jpg&sa=X&ei=3BVrVdCkLMy57gbJgoLoCA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGwLCt68q-ht85f2Imn-bWSsKSgVA

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://cdn2.greatsong.net/photo/ext/lalgerino-200474.jpg&sa=X&ei=NBdrVZWVHbCS7AaF2oL4BA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGsxegLE8ihnbwwE66eRXJmRGq9ig


http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.maghrebspace.net/P622948/3dba5dcb647f9d9ac5fd5716fb6029f3/___www_maghrebspace_net__15042013125036_482Reda%20 taliani.jpg&sa=X&ei=EhZrVZagF6WC7gbFgoHwCw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFKgG2_6KKaoc_DkQ0tiwz1HoOewg

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11253645_396451967214303_7719736954797049424_n.jpg ?oh=43b8f245778bbfb3a4d8eced887f0b55&oe=55F3E15

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11188262_957266674313197_368827620610987353_n.jpg? oh=dc6b3ddfe67b5e2bef66633cf286ade7&oe=55C01302

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11229960_803671433015966_8091810507592930870_n.jpg ?oh=37d06d3f32587f7c74ddee6968f2541f&oe=55F23FAB

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://img1.ndsstatic.com/kayna-samet/kayna-samet-a-recu-news-de-stars-pour-une-interview-salim-zegache_126655_wide.jpg&sa=X&ei=nhdrVYCnKMvd7Qaq04KQBw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEKqchzGpcqdEH_Fb9l3272TNfWFg

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11253645_396451967214303_7719736954797049424_n.jpg ?oh=43b8f245778bbfb3a4d8eced887f0b55&oe=55F3E15C

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11113928_10155353609710461_5962107942184722329_n.j pg?oh=26a67f430327a53f7af370e30da54c86&oe=55F23EFB

[Bagot]

You missed the most famous Algerian singers

http://arabpress.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Cheb-Khaled1.jpg

http://a137.idata.over-blog.com/1/50/59/42/Mohamed-el-fassi/autres/cheb-hasni.jpg

[Deneb]

1 or 2 in south Italy but they could pass anywhere in southern Europe. A striking majority can't pass.

I agreed.

[MsSPF]

You missed the most famous Algerian singers

http://arabpress.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Cheb-Khaled1.jpg

http://a137.idata.over-blog.com/1/50/59/42/Mohamed-el-fassi/autres/cheb-hasni.jpg

True, Cheb Khaled is in the list with another rai singer but not Cheb Hasni.

I add Cheb Mami :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.marieclaire.fr/data/photo/mh515_c17/7d973b1210b_mami.jpg&sa=X&ei=1RlrVe36JYac7ga-8YK4CQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc4Dw&usg=AFQjCNHMbiEBLnBTQwn2kVFyALDdtINC4w

[Bagot]

True, Cheb Khaled is in the list with another rai singer but not Cheb Hasni.

Cheb Hasni was sadly assassinated in 1994. He was cool.

[MsSPF]

Cheb Hasni was sadly assassinated in 1994. He was cool.

Yes all Algerian love him. He's a symbol of a terrible period in Algerian history. A true legend, even youth love him and sing his songs.

Three other French actors of Algerian background and I stop there because it will be too much lol

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/leila-bekhti-65th-cannes-film-festival-03.jpg&sa=X&ei=2BxrVbrAAurD7gbQgYMo&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNF1PG-JINuOCKbmmlGAw1JAqOyp5A

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.marieclaire.fr/data/photo/mw1000_c17/tahar-rahim.jpg&sa=X&ei=ER1rVdX-E8mR7Aay0IPACw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGj4hkMiCjuHl99hIWuGtkC3558og

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.casafree.com/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/40519/Nouvelle%20image%20(2).jpg&sa=X&ei=MB1rVYLMO87T7AbCh4KAAg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNH7m7ACHO03yYRnlQJrdkIz8lPYmg

Or this Saharan Algerian

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.metive.org/IMG/png/Aicha_Lebga.png&sa=X&ei=hR1rVaLsF47W7QaQnIG4Bw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEitg8AYcfhSjcHq6lhSkAJKcD9VQ

Edit :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.arasale.com/secure/staracademy10/photos/kenza-morsli/01.jpeg&sa=X&ei=bSBrVaePBueY7ga8wIOADg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNG72nRXlT1e6kPmvGJG_2DZ4b-ngw

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://shahid.mbc.net/mediaObject/thumbs/Arab_Idol_s03/Arab_Idol_S03_EP15_Ajrad_Yugharta_J-en-Ai-Marre/original/Arab_Idol_S03_EP15_Ajrad_Yugharta_J-en-Ai-Marre.jpg&sa=X&ei=sSBrVZaoOoXe7AbyvoDQCw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNE9Bl9AqqRfV19HVq03Ggl8eSvR-A

[Bagot]

Three other French actors of Algerian background and I stop there because it will be too much lol

Hayet Belhalloufi can pass and not only in southern Europe. Tahar Rahim can pass as well but in some pics he is a bit off. Aïcha Legba and Leïla Bekhti can't pass.

[Deneb]

Yes all Algerian love him. He's a symbol of a terrible period in Algerian history. A true legend, even youth love him and sing his songs.

Three other French actors of Algerian background and I stop there because it will be too much lol

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/leila-bekhti-65th-cannes-film-festival-03.jpg&sa=X&ei=2BxrVbrAAurD7gbQgYMo&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNF1PG-JINuOCKbmmlGAw1JAqOyp5A

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.marieclaire.fr/data/photo/mw1000_c17/tahar-rahim.jpg&sa=X&ei=ER1rVdX-E8mR7Aay0IPACw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGj4hkMiCjuHl99hIWuGtkC3558og

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.casafree.com/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/40519/Nouvelle%20image%20(2).jpg&sa=X&ei=MB1rVYLMO87T7AbCh4KAAg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNH7m7ACHO03yYRnlQJrdkIz8lPYmg

Or this Saharan Algerian

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.metive.org/IMG/png/Aicha_Lebga.png&sa=X&ei=hR1rVaLsF47W7QaQnIG4Bw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEitg8AYcfhSjcHq6lhSkAJKcD9VQ

Edit :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.arasale.com/secure/staracademy10/photos/kenza-morsli/01.jpeg&sa=X&ei=bSBrVaePBueY7ga8wIOADg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNG72nRXlT1e6kPmvGJG_2DZ4b-ngw

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://shahid.mbc.net/mediaObject/thumbs/Arab_Idol_s03/Arab_Idol_S03_EP15_Ajrad_Yugharta_J-en-Ai-Marre/original/Arab_Idol_S03_EP15_Ajrad_Yugharta_J-en-Ai-Marre.jpg&sa=X&ei=sSBrVZaoOoXe7AbyvoDQCw&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNE9Bl9AqqRfV19HVq03Ggl8eSvR-A

Number 2 is almost Iberian in that pic.

[Damião de Góis]

I counted two for Portugal

[MsSPF]

I counted two for Portugal

Which ones ?

[Damião de Góis]

Which ones ?

15 and 18 from the first post.

[Tekken]

Keep in mind the racial research we know so far.
Most Maghrebi population falls under the umbrella of the Meditteranid race.
This is the same race MOSTLY populating Spain & Portugal, aswell as the Meditteranean Balkan (Greece, etc).

What I find peculiar and still dont get racially, are the mountain peoples of North Africa.
The Kabyles for example. It seems that some of them are a different race entirely. You can see some of them in the pictures presented (very white skinned, cromagnid skull structure instead of the classic "gracile" maghrebi meditteranid look).

Of course Spain & Portugal have pockets of Alpines (Celts) and to a much smaller extent Nordid (the Visigothic kingdom).
This is probably why they look different from most North Africans (although some of them look identical).

[Damião de Góis]

Keep in mind the racial research we know so far.
Most Maghrebi population falls under the umbrella of the Meditteranid race.
This is the same race MOSTLY populating Spain & Portugal, aswell as the Meditteranean Balkan (Greece, etc).


Could you show me this groundbreaking research?

[ÁGUIA]

I agree with Endovélico 15 and 18, for me number 2 from the second post would pass here aswell,there are others that pass in europe but not as portuguese. The big majority look what they are, Northafricans:)

[MsSPF]

Keep in mind the racial research we know so far.
Most Maghrebi population falls under the umbrella of the Meditteranid race.
This is the same race MOSTLY populating Spain & Portugal, aswell as the Meditteranean Balkan (Greece, etc).

What I find peculiar and still dont get racially, are the mountain peoples of North Africa.
The Kabyles for example. It seems that some of them are a different race entirely. You can see some of them in the pictures presented (very white skinned, cromagnid skull structure instead of the classic "gracile" maghrebi meditteranid look).

Of course Spain & Portugal have pockets of Alpines (Celts) and to a much smaller extent Nordid (the Visigothic kingdom).
This is probably why they look different from most North Africans (although some of them look identical).

The biggest mistake is to think that Kabyles are an ethnic group because actually they are not. They are genetically the same as other Northern Algerians. Of course, they have customs and specialities but it's the same for each region in Algeria as it's a big country. Kabyles keep using Berber language but they speak also Algerian Arabic and it's the only difference. Algeria is a Berber country Arabized. To be fair, Northern Algeria is mountainous from West to East with higher or lower altitudes depending of the region. Fawzi Chaouchi is Kabyle and seems to be SSA influenced, the same for Melissa M and in the other hand, Abdelkader Djeriou or Zakaria Ramdane are pretty light and would pass as European and they are not Kabyle. I think this stereotype of Kabyles to own the "whiteness" (I hate this word) in Algeria is irrevelant and the result of few people who wants to "white" their region because of different reasons too long to explain. Before colonisation, Kabyle wasn't even used for this region of Algeria, it's a recent word created by French at this period. Divide Kabyles to other Algerians is non-sense and even Algerians and Algerians from Kabylie don't understand it sometimes.

[Gaston]

Keep in mind the racial research we know so far.
Most Maghrebi population falls under the umbrella of the Meditteranid race.
This is the same race MOSTLY populating Spain & Portugal, aswell as the Meditteranean Balkan (Greece, etc).

What I find peculiar and still dont get racially, are the mountain peoples of North Africa.
The Kabyles for example. It seems that some of them are a different race entirely. You can see some of them in the pictures presented (very white skinned, cromagnid skull structure instead of the classic "gracile" maghrebi meditteranid look).

Of course Spain & Portugal have pockets of Alpines (Celts) and to a much smaller extent Nordid (the Visigothic kingdom).
This is probably why they look different from most North Africans (although some of them look identical).

If we use craniofacial form, by Brace et al. , most Europeans are clearly different from North Africans:
http://www.geocities.ws/seasidehighsoccer/brace2005eastafricancluster.jpg

Most Southern Europeans fall in the "modern European" category while North Africans, together with Middle Easterners, Neolithic Germany and Sicilians and some Italians (southernmost I guess) fall in the "modern Mediterranean" one.
http://tinypic.com/eg3539.jpg
The labels are as usual arbitrary but it is clear there is a divide between Europeans and North Africans.

Of course, one a global scale, the differences are less significant.
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u431/ArchHades/Physical%20anthropology%20charts/Brace1993.jpg

[Tekken]

The biggest mistake is to think that Kabyles are an ethnic group because actually they are not. They are genetically the same as other Northern Algerians. Of course, they have customs and specialities but it's the same for each region in Algeria as it's a big country. Kabyles keep using Berber language but they speak also Algerian Arabic and it's the only difference. Algeria is a Berber country Arabized. To be fair, Northern Algeria is mountainous from West to East with higher or lower altitudes depending of the region. Fawzi Chaouchi is Kabyle and seems to be SSA influenced, the same for Melissa M and in the other hand, Abdelkader Djeriou or Zakaria Ramdane are pretty light and would pass as European and they are not Kabyle. I think this stereotype of Kabyles to own the "whiteness" (I hate this word) in Algeria is irrevelant and the result of few people who wants to "white" their region because of different reasons too long to explain. Before colonisation, Kabyle wasn't even used for this region of Algeria, it's a recent word created by French at this period. Divide Kabyles to other Algerians is non-sense and even Algerians and Algerians from Kabylie don't understand it sometimes.

How do you then explain the overwhelming population of the maghreb, being those small framed, small height, brown skinned, people of clear meditteranid phenotype, VS. the very differentiated taller, whiter, more brachycephalic, people of the secluded mountain regions?

Clearly they are different races. Though of course, the "Berberid" race I talk about (Cromagnid) often has admixture from the larger meditteranid group.

Zidane is a clear example. Or the French player Karim Benzema.
They look different to me than the classic "wog" which populates all of North Africa (sorry could not think of a better word).

@Endovélico
I refer to any racial data by Coon, Ripley, Hans Guenther, etc.
They clearly show that North Africans are part of the wider medditeranid race on all their maps, with Northern coastal mountainous enclaves being of another racial subtype.


If we use craniofacial form, by Brace et al. , most Europeans are clearly different from North Africans:
http://www.geocities.ws/seasidehighsoccer/brace2005eastafricancluster.jpg

Most Southern Europeans fall in the "modern European" category while North Africans, together with Middle Easterners, Neolithic Germany and Sicilians and some Italians (southernmost I guess) fall in the "modern Mediterranean" one.
http://tinypic.com/eg3539.jpg
The labels are as usual arbitrary but it is clear there is a divide between Europeans and North Africans.

Of course, one a global scale, the differences are less significant.
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u431/ArchHades/Physical%20anthropology%20charts/Brace1993.jpg

I completely agree with this.
The meditteranean race doesnt exist in modern WESTERN Europe.
Though again...The exceptions to me clearly are Spain, Portugal, and Southern Italy, aswell as South-East Europe where the Pontid/meditteranean race exist.

The only difference between Iberia & North Africa, is that in Iberia there is the Celtic/Alpine strain and even Nordid which influences the population.

Overall though I'd classify Spaniards, Portuguese, as Mixed meditteranid/alpine.

[Damião de Góis]

@Endovélico
I refer to any racial data by Coon, Ripley, Hans Guenther, etc.
They clearly show that North Africans are part of the wider medditeranid race on all their maps, with Northern coastal mountainous enclaves being of another racial subtype.

Those maps are innacurate and outdated, Coon in particular is full of mistakes in his chapter on Portugal and Spain. We are now in the age of genetics, and it has been proven (if there was ever any doubts) that north africans and iberians are not the same people.

[MsSPF]

How do you then explain the overwhelming population of the maghreb, being those small framed, small height, brown skinned, people of clear meditteranid phenotype, VS. the very differentiated taller, whiter, more brachycephalic, people of the secluded mountain regions?

Clearly they are different races. Though of course, the "Berberid" race I talk about (Cromagnid) often has admixture from the larger meditteranid group.

Zidane is a clear example. Or the French player Karim Benzema.
They look different to me than the classic "wog" which populates all of North Africa (sorry could not think of a better word).

@Endovélico
I refer to any racial data by Coon, Ripley, Hans Guenther, etc.
They clearly show that North Africans are part of the wider medditeranid race on all their maps, with Northern coastal mountainous enclaves being of another racial subtype.

I agree when you say there is different influences among Algerians but I would not talk of different races but of variation. There is also a lot of people mixed with other ethnicities with invasions. What I am trying to say is that Northern Algeria is mountainous in general and these phenotypes are not only present in one region of the country but it's dispatched all along the coast, as Northern Algeria is Mediterannean influenced from Northern West to Northern East.
I am even myself from a mountainous part of the country and I am pretty small and of a Mediterannean type. But in the other hand, there is people in my family very tall and light. From my personal experience, in an Algerian family, you can met different variations.
Karim Benzema is also from Oran and is not 100% originally from Kabylie. We can play this game for a long time, you will show me pictures and I will show you pictures... The truth is that different people can be find in different regions in Northern Algeria (Southern Algeria is predominantly SSA) because Algerian and North African are mixed people but also because the country is surrounded by different kind of landscapes : mountains, Mediterrean and desert in very narrow spaces which gives different kind of people in narrow spaces too. I just came back from Algeria and I was in Batna, mountainous part, very green, a lot of lake and river and cold, 40 km souther there are oasis and palmiers, it's dry and hot. It's the door of the desert and it's quite impressive because you have a mountain green the other side of the mountain is dry.

[observo]

Ahmed Agoumi can pass in Italy and Spain

http://kpitalrisk.free.fr/images/stars/23000/s_89243_1.jpg
http://fr.web.img6.acsta.net/medias/nmedia/18/36/05/55/19476817.jpg
http://www.elwatan.com/images/2013/08/07/supp8_1713078.jpg

http://www.cinemotions.com/data/artistes/00/0063/725/1/h200/sidahmed_agoumi_1.jpg

[ius semper]

How do you then explain the overwhelming population of the maghreb, being those small framed, small height, brown skinned, people of clear meditteranid phenotype, VS. the very differentiated taller, whiter, more brachycephalic, people of the secluded mountain regions?

Clearly they are different races. Though of course, the "Berberid" race I talk about (Cromagnid) often has admixture from the larger meditteranid group.

Zidane is a clear example. Or the French player Karim Benzema.
They look different to me than the classic "wog" which populates all of North Africa (sorry could not think of a better word).

@Endovélico
I refer to any racial data by Coon, Ripley, Hans Guenther, etc.
They clearly show that North Africans are part of the wider medditeranid race on all their maps, with Northern coastal mountainous enclaves being of another racial subtype.



I completely agree with this.
The meditteranean race doesnt exist in modern WESTERN Europe.
Though again...The exceptions to me clearly are Spain, Portugal, and Southern Italy, aswell as South-East Europe where the Pontid/meditteranean race exist.

The only difference between Iberia & North Africa, is that in Iberia there is the Celtic/Alpine strain and even Nordid which influences the population.

Overall though I'd classify Spaniards, Portuguese, as Mixed meditteranid/alpine.

And you forgot to say that north-africans are mixed with sub-saharian/other african influences too. If not, how would we distinguish an iberian from a north african?

[themrdude1990]

If those are the typical algerians then they're by far lighter than I expected. Lots could pass in southern Italy, by pigmentation some in southern spain too but the facial features just don't fit at all in Iberia. The two last guys have the look of north-african that I expected.

definantly not typical Those are like 10 percent

[ius semper]

definantly not typical Those are like 10 percent

Yes I think so, I've some algerian friends who live here in Barcelona and they obviously don't look european

[Gaston]

I completely agree with this.
The meditteranean race doesnt exist in modern WESTERN Europe.
Though again...The exceptions to me clearly are Spain, Portugal, and Southern Italy, aswell as South-East Europe where the Pontid/meditteranean race exist.

The only difference between Iberia & North Africa, is that in Iberia there is the Celtic/Alpine strain and even Nordid which influences the population.

Overall though I'd classify Spaniards, Portuguese, as Mixed meditteranid/alpine.

The problem is the alpine/nordid and other classification thingies are obsolete.
Based on the dendograms I posted, most Iberians and even Sardinians cluster in the modern European branch and not in the modern mediterranean one. Some Iberians might cluster with North Africans (and Near Easterners) but there are a minority.



There is also a lot of people mixed with other ethnicities with invasions. What I am trying to say is that Northern Algeria is mountainous in general and these phenotypes are not only present in one region of the country but it's dispatched all along the coast, as Northern Algeria is Mediterannean influenced from Northern West to Northern East.
I am even myself from a mountainous part of the country and I am pretty small and of a Mediterannean type. But in the other hand, there is people in my family very tall and light. From my personal experience, in an Algerian family, you can met different variations.

because Algerian and North African are mixed people but also because the country is surrounded by different kind of landscapes :

Actually, based on genetics, this isn't true because people in the Maghreb region lack Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry which all neighbours in Europe and the Near East harbor. If the so-called invasions (which were more cultural in the long run) had an influence on the locals, you would see it thanks to ANE levels (which are 0% in most people).

The only influence that can be attested wih certainty is the recent SSA admixture in some North Africans, which puts them in an outlier position and is visible in the phenotype.




And you forgot to say that north-africans are mixed with sub-saharian/other african influences too. If not, how would we distinguish an iberian from a north african?

And Iberians are mixed with bronze age ANE from the Eurasian steppes.

And Iberians are more WHG than Berbers, and Berbers are more Ancient Near Eastern than Iberians.

[MsSPF]

definantly not typical Those are like 10 percent

Actually these types are common in Algeria and not rare. It exists different common looks and not only ONE because people there are diversed.
Algerian diaspora isn't representative through as depending of the country, few regions are overepresented and under-representated.
North Africans looks what they are North Africans and they are not Europeans even if sometimes they have light hair/eyes or skin which is NOT rare or atypical in Algeria. Light hair/skin/eyes is not a "feature" owned only by Europeans but of course olive skin and brown eyes are the most "popular colors" as it's a South Med country.
As Algerian myself, I feel all this people are a sample of how an Algerian can look and this sample is wide and doesn't show the "whitest" side of Algeria as a lot of people posted are also extremely tanned and clearly SSA influenced. They are difficult to classify because like I explained before, Algeria has different climates in narrow area and was a place of invasions and mixing of population.

Edit : for those who are interested, I created a thread with different "normal" Algerian people and how they can look http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?170237-Main-phenotypes-in-Algeria

[MsSPF]

The problem is the alpine/nordid and other classification thingies are obsolete.
Based on the dendograms I posted, most Iberians and even Sardinians cluster in the modern European branch and not in the modern mediterranean one. Some Iberians might cluster with North Africans (and Near Easterners) but there are a minority.




Actually, based on genetics, this isn't true because people in the Maghreb region lack Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry which all neighbours in Europe and the Near East harbor. If the so-called invasions (which were more cultural in the long run) had an influence on the locals, you would see it thanks to ANE levels (which are 0% in most people).

The only influence that can be attested wih certainty is the recent SSA admixture in some North Africans, which puts them in an outlier position and is visible in the phenotype.





And Iberians are mixed with bronze age ANE from the Eurasian steppes.

And Iberians are more WHG than Berbers, and Berbers are more Ancient Near Eastern than Iberians.

Depending of the region, especially in Tlemcen, Algiers, Bejaia or Constantine, the Ottoman empire soldiers mixed a lot with Algerians which gives kouloughlis. Few families have surnames (Dey, Bey, Turki, Kourdi, Stambouli, Boushnak...and all surnames finishing with -dji) inspired from countries of ex Ottoman empire. The are mixed also because like you say, they can have SSA too. In Northern Western Algeria, there are to a lesser extent Algerians mixed with Iberians following the expulsion of Jews & Muslims Iberians. But it's not the main reason of the variation of people in Algeria. The main one is various climates and landscapes.

[Gaston]

Depending of the region, especially in Tlemcen, Algiers, Bejaia or Constantine, the Ottoman empire soldiers mixed a lot with Algerians which gives kouloughlis. Few families have surnames (Dey, Bey, Turki, Kourdi, Stambouli, Boushnak...and all surnames finishing with -dji) inspired from countries of ex Ottoman empire. The are mixed also because like you say, they can have SSA too. In Northern Western Algeria, there are to a lesser extent Algerians mixed with Iberians following the expulsion of Jews & Muslims Iberians. But it's not the main reason of the variation of people in Algeria. The main one is various climates and landscapes.

My statement is based on genetic results of actual Algerians, whether in the literature or individuals who got tested on their own: I've only seen one Algerian from Algiers that has Euro-Turkish ancestry and one from Laghouat that has bedouin ancestry.
The rest was pretty homogenous, from Kabyles to Oranians.


The phenotypic variation is in my opinion due to isolation and tribalism. Even Kabyle tribalism made them look very different from tribe to tribe, some looking very European-like and others looking like Gypsies (to take the extremes). It's also probably why some Kabyle tribes are much blonder than others.

[MsSPF]

My statement is based on genetic results of actual Algerians, whether in the literature or individuals who got tested on their own: I've only seen one Algerian from Algiers that has Euro-Turkish ancestry and one from Laghouat that has bedouin ancestry.
The rest was pretty homogenous, from Kabyles to Oranians.


The phenotypic variation is in my opinion due to isolation and tribalism. Even Kabyle tribalism made them look very different from tribe to tribe, some looking very European-like and others looking like Gypsies (to take the extremes). It's also probably why some Kabyle tribes are much blonder than others.

I don't say that the variation is due mostly by invasions but partly depending of the region. I know different people who have Ottoman backgrounds or Beduins background too.
Indeed, I agree for tribalism which explained partly imo variations, especially in countryside. Average rate of consanguinity in Algeria is about 35% which is pretty high. In few places it's higher like in Tebessa (eastern Algeria) and few places in Kabylie and Western Algeria. Logically, the lower is in Oran and Algiers, people there are mixed a lot.
I would add also climates and landscapes influences. Algeria has three climates : mountains, Mediterranean and desert which can explained also the diversification.

[Casandrinos]

Saharid,Berid,Asiatic-alpine,Armenoid, Gracile-med + SSA influence

[themrdude1990]

Actually these types are common in Algeria and not rare. It exists different common looks and not only ONE because people there are diversed.
Algerian diaspora isn't representative through as depending of the country, few regions are overepresented and under-representated.
North Africans looks what they are North Africans and they are not Europeans even if sometimes they have light hair/eyes or skin which is NOT rare or atypical in Algeria. Light hair/skin/eyes is not a "feature" owned only by Europeans but of course olive skin and brown eyes are the most "popular colors" as it's a South Med country.
As Algerian myself, I feel all this people are a sample of how an Algerian can look and this sample is wide and doesn't show the "whitest" side of Algeria as a lot of people posted are also extremely tanned and clearly SSA influenced. They are difficult to classify because like I explained before, Algeria has different climates in narrow area and was a place of invasions and mixing of population.

Edit : for those who are interested, I created a thread with different "normal" Algerian people and how they can look http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?170237-Main-phenotypes-in-Algeria

I live in france and in my experience
North africans are all usually swarthy
but the kabyle and some tunisians ive met were very white looking

[MsSPF]

I live in france and in my experience
North africans are all usually swarthy
but the kabyle and some tunisians ive met were very white looking

Bien sûr qu'ils sont mats de peau en général avec des cheveux et des yeux foncés vu que c'est un pays du sud de la Méditérannée. Là n'est pas le problème, ce que je dis c'est que se baser sur la diaspora algérienne n'est pas forcément très indicateur car en France certaines régions sont sur-représentés (par exemple il y a énormément de kabyles plus nombreux proportionnellement qu'en Algérie) et d'autres sous représentés, c'est faussé même si pas très loin de la réalité. Certains se sont également mariés avec des marocains ou des tunisiens, des français, des italiens, des gens d'Afrique sub saharienne etc...
Je ne vais pas parler des kabyles parce que je radoterai un peu mais concernant les tunisiens là où j'habite en France il y en a énormément originaire de Zarzis et Djerba, donc du sud de la Tunisie. Ils sont très mats de peau voir métissés/noirs et la plupart des gens ici pensent que les tunisiens sont mats et plus que les algériens... Je ne suis pas forcément d'accord car génétiquement les algériens sont semblables au tunisiens et leur ressemble plus qu'aux marocains et je connais également des tunisiens très clairs mais c'était pour souligner qu'en plus en fonction des régions, certains endroits en France ont été sujets à des immigrés venant d'une région en particulier. Dans ma ville, il se trouve qu'il y a majoritairement des tunisiens de Zarzis, des algériens de Kabylie et des marocains d'Agadir ou de Casa. C'est plutôt pareil à l'échelle nationale du coup les gens font des raccourcis du type : l’algérien kabyle est plus clair que les marocains et les tunisiens , ce qui est logique vu que les kabyles sont du nord alors que ces marocains et tunisiens sont originaires du centre et du sud.
Tout est subjectif, il est difficile de dire qu'un algérien, un marocain ou un tunisien ne ressemble que d'une seule manière car en fonction des régions (surtout en allant du nord vers le sud), les physiques changent. Même le nord n'est pas totalement homogène de l'ouest à l'est à cause des différents paysages mais aussi de l'immigration des populations rurales de toute l'Algérie vers les grandes villes, des métissages et des mélanges dans certaines régions plus que d'autres durant l'Histoire... J'arrive parfois à deviner qui est de tel région en Algérie mais les différences restent toutefois minime entre gens du nord. Le mieux est d'analyser sur place et même en analysant sur place il faudrait voyager dans toute l'Algérie entière car c'est le plus grand pays d'Afrique et qu'il n'est pas homogène.

[Sikeliot]

They vary. They pass overall in Iberia, southern Italy/Sicily and the Levant, but a few look distinctly North African. One or two can pass as Balkan.

[Gaston]

I live in france and in my experience
North africans are all usually swarthy
but the kabyle and some tunisians ive met were very white looking

Yes, pretty much similar to West Asians. Not any closer to Euro pigmentation than West Asians are.

[observo]

A couple more of French woman of Algerian heritage:
Valèrie Benguigui

-edit: probably of father Jewish Algerian and mother French-
http://i.f1g.fr/media/ext/orig/www.lefigaro.fr/medias/2013/09/03/PHO9e1b04be-1485-11e3-b08c-2bcf8da896e2-805x453.jpg
http://www.paradisblanc.com/data_db/img_defunt/memorial-2037/900x700/2024-1378240804.jpg

Jeanette Bougrab (daughter of Algerians)
http://fan-people.com/wp-content/images-politique/jeannette-bougrab/1083020-jeannette-bougrab-enregistrement-de-950x0-1.jpg

[MsSPF]

A couple more of French woman of Algerian heritage:
Valèrie Benguigui

I guess she was 1/4 Algerian, perhaps his paternal grandfather was Algerian
http://i.f1g.fr/media/ext/orig/www.lefigaro.fr/medias/2013/09/03/PHO9e1b04be-1485-11e3-b08c-2bcf8da896e2-805x453.jpg
http://www.paradisblanc.com/data_db/img_defunt/memorial-2037/900x700/2024-1378240804.jpg

Jeanette Bougrab (daughter of Algerians)
http://fan-people.com/wp-content/images-politique/jeannette-bougrab/1083020-jeannette-bougrab-enregistrement-de-950x0-1.jpg

Regarding her surname, Valérie Benguigui is probably a Jewish Algerian but I'm not sure if she's 100% Algerian.

Other Jewish Algerian :

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Enrico_Macias_in_Tel_Aviv.jpg&sa=X&ei=dL9wVY2INsSsU_f9g0g&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNExwoDdhZEL-rSMJSXcpjKTm5Gs6Q

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/sites/default/files/assets/images/2015/02/076_collection_christophel_etienne_george_041.jpg&sa=X&ei=qr9wVfT4LsKyUeCUgaAP&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFCqg925-Lb-dfWagz_zlNAltUm8w

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://laregledujeu.org/files/2014/06/bernard-henri-levy-europe-bosnie.jpg&sa=X&ei=xL9wVYn5OoHCUpqZgZAN&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEZvLLcroRB5jQ7vGg1tTXcLhPkuw

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.lepoint.fr/images/2011/01/11/zemmour-accusation-racisme-proces-236020-jpg_125106.JPG&sa=X&ei=2r9wVbObDszsUsjugdgL&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGZ9vd8yp6uTUd7x5J1LJXTx1dQKA

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/8/28/70/8/@/196861-geraldine-nakache-est-au-casting-de-637x0-5.jpg&sa=X&ei=8L9wVZbfD4GsUbmqgYAP&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFjS3tH1xUGZI_Gs44KX81jzG6e-A