What Do These K13+Oracle Results Indicate about a Man's Ancestry?

[Figaro]

Particularly for those who did not see my other thread with parts of this info; Just reading this as is, what would you guess?

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.8
2 Baltic 27.95
3 West_Med 12.26
4 East_Med 6.21
5 West_Asian 4.09
6 Red_Sea 2.08
7 Siberian 1.36
8 Amerindian 1.01
9 Northeast_African 0.85
10 South_Asian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 5.11
2 South_Dutch 6.51
3 West_German 6.53
4 Danish 6.86
5 North_Dutch 7.04
6 Austrian 7.34
7 Swedish 7.39
8 East_German 7.59
9 Southeast_English 7.85
10 Norwegian 8.1
11 Orcadian 8.2
12 Irish 9.5
13 Southwest_English 9.92
14 North_Swedish 10.02
15 West_Scottish 10.12
16 Hungarian 11.42
17 French 12.09
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.43
19 Croatian 16.86
20 South_Polish 17.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.8% North_Swedish + 45.2% French @ 1.78
2 72.6% South_Dutch + 27.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.15
3 61.4% South_Dutch + 38.6% North_Swedish @ 2.16
4 61.4% West_German + 38.6% North_Swedish @ 2.18
5 69.5% North_Swedish + 30.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.4
6 69.8% North_Swedish + 30.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.44
7 67.9% North_Swedish + 32.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.47
8 58.8% Orcadian + 41.2% Hungarian @ 2.48
9 78.4% South_Dutch + 21.6% Finnish @ 2.48
10 67.8% North_Swedish + 32.2% Portuguese @ 2.49
11 80.6% Swedish + 19.4% Tuscan @ 2.55
12 86.7% Swedish + 13.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.57
13 66.9% North_Swedish + 33.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.6
14 53.2% West_Scottish + 46.8% Hungarian @ 2.67
15 73.2% West_German + 26.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.69
16 83.5% Swedish + 16.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.69
17 86.6% Swedish + 13.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.7
18 70.2% North_Swedish + 29.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.7
19 79.8% South_Dutch + 20.2% Estonian @ 2.73
20 85% Swedish + 15% Ashkenazi @ 2.73

[Mortimer]

wouldnt put too much attention to it, you know your ancestry (i hope) its very vague.

[Mortimer]

mine im not iranian jewish and all those other things neither finnish nor bulgarian nor afghan tadjik etc. very vague, it just shows where you have genetic similarities with populations doesnt mean you are that

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 17.02
2 West_Med 16.07
3 Baltic 16.04
4 East_Med 15.34
5 West_Asian 15.16
6 South_Asian 13.01
7 Red_Sea 2.68
8 East_Asian 2.05
9 Oceanian 1.13


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 16.703808
2 Bulgarian @ 17.125486
3 Romanian @ 17.569115
4 Italian_Abruzzo @ 20.490191
5 Central_Greek @ 20.643761
6 Serbian @ 20.658720
7 East_Sicilian @ 21.498854
8 West_Sicilian @ 22.159981
9 Tuscan @ 22.262627
10 Moldavian @ 23.634890
11 North_Italian @ 23.896461
12 South_Italian @ 24.135355
13 Ashkenazi @ 24.412497
14 Hungarian @ 27.185606
15 Croatian @ 27.311346
16 Turkish @ 27.954670
17 Nogay @ 28.653008
18 Turkmen @ 28.846252
19 Tadjik @ 29.376665
20 Austrian @ 29.515713

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Tadjik +50% North_Italian @ 10.581395


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Gujarati +25% Tuscan @ 3.362996


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iranian_Jewish + La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.601501
2 Brahmin_UP + Georgian_Jewish + La_Brana-1 + Sardinian @ 2.700396
3 Assyrian + La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.805312
4 La_Brana-1 + Lebanese_Muslim + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.892149
5 Kurdish_Jewish + La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.923356
6 Assyrian + Brahmin_UP + La_Brana-1 + Sardinian @ 3.139093
7 La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian + Syrian @ 3.155434
8 Brahmin_UP + Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 3.179107
9 Bangladeshi + Central_Greek + Romanian + Romanian @ 3.187925
10 Brahmin_UP + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Croatian @ 3.201081
11 Brahmin_UP + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 3.227827
12 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Romanian @ 3.250407
13 Brahmin_UP + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + South_Italian @ 3.255413
14 Brahmin_UP + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + West_Sicilian @ 3.259315
15 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 3.259318
16 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.264418
17 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Serbian @ 3.266553
18 Brahmin_UP + Cyprian + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.266772
19 Brahmin_UP + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + West_Sicilian @ 3.271399
20 Finnish + Iranian_Jewish + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 3.275060

[Figaro]

mine im not iranian jewish and all those other things neither finnish nor bulgarian nor afghan tadjik etc. very vague, it just shows where you have genetic similarities with populations doesnt mean you are that



I realize that. I was just curious of folks guesses, just going by what I showed there. Ty.

[Mortimer]

I realize that. I was just curious of folks guesses, just going by what I showed there. Ty.

it looks like you are mostly germanic with some med ancestry from that

[Journeyman26]

Hmmm if I had to guess, these looks like the results for someone who is 1/2 German (maybe Dane), 1/2 Spaniard. That or 3/4 German, 1/4 Spaniard.

[Petalpusher]

Hmmm if I had to guess, these looks like the results for someone who is 1/2 German (maybe Dane), 1/2 Spaniard. That or 3/4 German, 1/4 Spaniard.

No it looks like someone with +90/95% North Euro score on 23&me (maybe a touch of eastern), and with "noise" of ssa and native

Mixed mode, nor multiple pop tell ancestry, they are triangulation in a matter of speaking. If there was a geographic/genetic continuum we could place intermediate on a map but there s none exact one, so there s pca charts. Austria for example is way more North Euro than it looks on a map.

[Figaro]

On 23andme this man on Spec gets 100 percent European. Anyhoot..bump

[Petalpusher]

Im interested to see the 23 if you are willing to show later. He doesn't even have <0.1% native/east asian in spec or standard? (i mean you can still get 100% euro with that)

[Era]

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iranian_Jewish + La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.601501
2 Brahmin_UP + Georgian_Jewish + La_Brana-1 + Sardinian @ 2.700396
3 Assyrian + La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.805312
4 La_Brana-1 + Lebanese_Muslim + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.892149
5 Kurdish_Jewish + La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.923356
6 Assyrian + Brahmin_UP + La_Brana-1 + Sardinian @ 3.139093
7 La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian + Syrian @ 3.155434
8 Brahmin_UP + Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 3.179107
9 Bangladeshi + Central_Greek + Romanian + Romanian @ 3.187925
10 Brahmin_UP + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Croatian @ 3.201081
11 Brahmin_UP + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 3.227827
12 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Romanian @ 3.250407
13 Brahmin_UP + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + South_Italian @ 3.255413
14 Brahmin_UP + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + West_Sicilian @ 3.259315
15 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 3.259318
16 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.264418
17 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Serbian @ 3.266553
18 Brahmin_UP + Cyprian + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.266772
19 Brahmin_UP + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + West_Sicilian @ 3.271399
20 Finnish + Iranian_Jewish + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 3.275060

So gypsies are jats according to this

[Figaro]

Im interested to see the 23 if you are willing to show later. He doesn't even have <0.1% native/east asian in spec or standard? (i mean you can still get 100% euro with that)

Heh...I'm hopeless with posting images from 23andme directly on here as images, so I'll just type out all three modes on here:

Speculative
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100% European
18.2% French and German
12.7% British and Irish
9.4% Scandinavian
52.1% Broadly Northern European
3.4% Eastern European
0.3% Iberian
0.2% Balkan
<0.1% Broadly Southern European
3.6% Broadly European

Standard
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3.9% British and Irish
2.4% Scandinavian
2.3% French and German
57.4% Broadly Northern European
1.1% Eastern European
32.8% Broadly European

Conservative
------------------
97.9% European
41.2% Broadly Northern European
56.7% Broadly European
2.1% Unassigned

[Figaro]

Interesting the eurogenes comparison to the Spanish sample from extremadura. I also have a cousin match on 23andme, Spanish man with roots in extremadura. Might not mean much, but I was just logged on and realized there was that parrallel. Not too sure how I could have Spanish ancestry, especially enough to "register".

[Petalpusher]

Heh...I'm hopeless with posting images from 23andme directly on here as images, so I'll just type out all three modes on here:

Speculative
--------------
100% European
18.2% French and German
12.7% British and Irish
9.4% Scandinavian
52.1% Broadly Northern European
3.4% Eastern European
0.3% Iberian
0.2% Balkan
<0.1% Broadly Southern European
3.6% Broadly European


Thanks, Hehe i was very close, he is 92.4% North Euro in spec and even the little 3.4% Eastern Euro. Now it confirms me sometimes 23andme pull these <0.x% something out of their arses, since he scores 1% Amerindian on Gedmatch but it doesn't show on 23.

[Not a Cop]

Thanks, Hehe i was very close, he is 92.4% North Euro in spec and even the little 3.4% Eastern Euro. Now it confirms me sometimes 23andme pull these <0.x% something out of their arses, since he scores 1% Amerindian on Gedmatch but it doesn't show on 23.

Ameridian is connected to ANE in Euros, that's why Easterners get a few of it.

[Äijä]

Particularly for those who did not see my other thread with parts of this info; Just reading this as is, what would you guess?

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.8
2 Baltic 27.95
3 West_Med 12.26
4 East_Med 6.21
5 West_Asian 4.09
6 Red_Sea 2.08
7 Siberian 1.36
8 Amerindian 1.01
9 Northeast_African 0.85
10 South_Asian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 5.11
2 South_Dutch 6.51
3 West_German 6.53
4 Danish 6.86
5 North_Dutch 7.04
6 Austrian 7.34
7 Swedish 7.39
8 East_German 7.59
9 Southeast_English 7.85
10 Norwegian 8.1
11 Orcadian 8.2
12 Irish 9.5
13 Southwest_English 9.92
14 North_Swedish 10.02
15 West_Scottish 10.12
16 Hungarian 11.42
17 French 12.09
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.43
19 Croatian 16.86
20 South_Polish 17.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.8% North_Swedish + 45.2% French @ 1.78
2 72.6% South_Dutch + 27.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.15
3 61.4% South_Dutch + 38.6% North_Swedish @ 2.16
4 61.4% West_German + 38.6% North_Swedish @ 2.18
5 69.5% North_Swedish + 30.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.4
6 69.8% North_Swedish + 30.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.44
7 67.9% North_Swedish + 32.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.47
8 58.8% Orcadian + 41.2% Hungarian @ 2.48
9 78.4% South_Dutch + 21.6% Finnish @ 2.48
10 67.8% North_Swedish + 32.2% Portuguese @ 2.49
11 80.6% Swedish + 19.4% Tuscan @ 2.55
12 86.7% Swedish + 13.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.57
13 66.9% North_Swedish + 33.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.6
14 53.2% West_Scottish + 46.8% Hungarian @ 2.67
15 73.2% West_German + 26.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.69
16 83.5% Swedish + 16.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.69
17 86.6% Swedish + 13.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.7
18 70.2% North_Swedish + 29.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.7
19 79.8% South_Dutch + 20.2% Estonian @ 2.73
20 85% Swedish + 15% Ashkenazi @ 2.73

It is clear you have Finnic blood.

[Petalpusher]

Interesting the eurogenes comparison to the Spanish sample from extremadura. I also have a cousin match on 23andme, Spanish man with roots in extremadura. Might not mean much, but I was just logged on and realized there was that parrallel. Not too sure how I could have Spanish ancestry, especially enough to "register".

He surely doesn't have any direct Spanish ancestry. It's just part of the NorthWest Euro genesis to get a bit of Iberian/Italian, Celtic strain depending on your amount of "West med" (he has not much in autosomal) and especially if you have a good amount of French&German. It isn't even there anymore in standard.

[Hevo]

Ameridian is connected to ANE in Euros, that's why Easterners get a few of it.

Some have also 0.1% Yakut but i believe there is an ancient connection.

[Petalpusher]

Ameridian is connected to ANE in Euros, that's why Easterners get a few of it.

I know it can come from there, that's why i was surprised he didn't get any at all on 23 one way or another. I do get the 0.1 and i have 0 eastern on 23, and 0 Amerindian in autosomal, so it's more "East Asian" or somewhere in ANE but not directly from Eastern euro.

[Figaro]

It is clear you have Finnic blood.

Interesting assertion. How's that?

[Neon Knight]

From the K13 Oracle matches I was going say Dutch or British + German. For northwestern Europeans GEDmatch has a bias towards Germany so one has to adjust for that and move westwards a little.

[Petalpusher]

He is obviously not English England, he might be American, the 3 main components are real (brit, french&german and scando) but fade heavily in standard and to nothing in conservative, so it's more likely a mix of the 3 ethnicities but relatively ancient. The Siberian is a bit low, i would guess then the scandinavian is more Swedish/Norwegian than Finns, but not as low to be a North German/Dane proxy. Finnish is still possible if more ancient.

[Äijä]

Interesting assertion. How's that?

Those populations have Finnic admix or are Finnic, first it looks like it is the usual Sami but SW Finland and Estonia confuse me.

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.8% North_Swedish + 45.2% French @ 1.78
2 72.6% South_Dutch + 27.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.15
3 61.4% South_Dutch + 38.6% North_Swedish @ 2.16
4 61.4% West_German + 38.6% North_Swedish @ 2.18
5 69.5% North_Swedish + 30.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.4
6 69.8% North_Swedish + 30.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.44
7 67.9% North_Swedish + 32.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.47
8 58.8% Orcadian + 41.2% Hungarian @ 2.48
9 78.4% South_Dutch + 21.6% Finnish @ 2.48
10 67.8% North_Swedish + 32.2% Portuguese @ 2.49
11 80.6% Swedish + 19.4% Tuscan @ 2.55
12 86.7% Swedish + 13.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.57
13 66.9% North_Swedish + 33.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.6
14 53.2% West_Scottish + 46.8% Hungarian @ 2.67
15 73.2% West_German + 26.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.69
16 83.5% Swedish + 16.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.69
17 86.6% Swedish + 13.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.7
18 70.2% North_Swedish + 29.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.7
19 79.8% South_Dutch + 20.2% Estonian @ 2.73
20 85% Swedish + 15% Ashkenazi @ 2.73

[Not a Cop]

Post 4 ancestors oracle, so far that man looks NW Euro with NE Euro shift, something like 3:1.

[Figaro]

Post 4 ancestors oracle, so far that man looks NW Euro with NE Euro shift, something like 3:1.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_Swedish @ 2.115680


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.834661


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_German + Norwegian + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.625739
2 North_German + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Portuguese @ 1.665949
3 French + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + West_German @ 1.739516
4 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 1.749798
5 North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia + Swedish @ 1.763363
6 Danish + Finnish + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 1.778211
7 French + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + West_German @ 1.780200
8 Danish + North_German + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.802596
9 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.810510
10 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.813811
11 North_German + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 1.818700
12 French + North_Dutch + Southwest_Finnish + West_German @ 1.822011
13 North_Dutch + North_German + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.832227
14 North_German + North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.834661
15 North_German + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.840943
16 Danish + Finnish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.844105
17 North_German + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.846616
18 Danish + French + Southwest_Finnish + West_German @ 1.859388
19 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.870677
20 Finnish + North_German + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.875298

[Äijä]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_Swedish @ 2.115680


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.834661


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_German + Norwegian + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.625739
2 North_German + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Portuguese @ 1.665949
3 French + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + West_German @ 1.739516
4 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 1.749798
5 North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia + Swedish @ 1.763363
6 Danish + Finnish + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 1.778211
7 French + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + West_German @ 1.780200
8 Danish + North_German + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.802596
9 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.810510
10 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.813811
11 North_German + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 1.818700
12 French + North_Dutch + Southwest_Finnish + West_German @ 1.822011
13 North_Dutch + North_German + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.832227
14 North_German + North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.834661
15 North_German + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.840943
16 Danish + Finnish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.844105
17 North_German + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.846616
18 Danish + French + Southwest_Finnish + West_German @ 1.859388
19 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.870677
20 Finnish + North_German + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.875298

I call it certain now.

[Figaro]

heck, I'll also post his K15.

K15
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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.23
2 Atlantic 24.02
3 Baltic 16.22
4 West_Med 8.28
5 Eastern_Euro 8.24
6 West_Asian 4.25
7 East_Med 2.45
8 Red_Sea 1.9
9 Siberian 0.88
10 Amerindian 0.78
11 Northeast_African 0.74
12 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 5.03
2 North_Dutch 6.78
3 South_Dutch 7
4 West_German 7.18
5 Danish 7.38
6 East_German 7.39
7 Swedish 7.63
8 Norwegian 8.21
9 Southwest_English 8.26
10 Southeast_English 8.28
11 Irish 8.39
12 West_Scottish 9.12
13 North_Swedish 9.32
14 West_Norwegian 10.23
15 Orcadian 10.52
16 French 11.2
17 Hungarian 11.25
18 Southwest_Finnish 11.56
19 Austrian 11.91
20 Finnish 14.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.9% North_Dutch + 36.1% Hungarian @ 2.86
2 58% Irish + 42% Hungarian @ 2.94
3 72.1% North_Dutch + 27.9% Croatian @ 2.99
4 68.6% Irish + 31.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.18
5 55.8% West_Scottish + 44.2% Hungarian @ 3.18
6 74.4% North_Dutch + 25.6% Moldavian @ 3.19
7 52.7% North_Dutch + 47.3% East_German @ 3.21
8 69% Southeast_English + 31% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.23
9 51.9% Orcadian + 48.1% Hungarian @ 3.34
10 74.3% North_Dutch + 25.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.41
11 69.2% Southwest_English + 30.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.42
12 69.3% Irish + 30.7% Moldavian @ 3.45
13 66.8% West_Scottish + 33.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.55
14 63% Orcadian + 37% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.55
15 54% East_German + 46% Irish @ 3.59
16 66.4% North_Dutch + 33.6% Austrian @ 3.61
17 61.2% Orcadian + 38.8% Croatian @ 3.63
18 75.5% North_German + 24.5% Hungarian @ 3.66
19 69.8% Irish + 30.2% Ukrainian @ 3.66
20 67.4% Irish + 32.6% Croatian @ 3.71

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% North_Dutch @ 3.612818


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Ukrainian_Lviv +25% West_German @ 2.843854


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 2.843854
2 Irish + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 3.026980
3 French + Irish + Swedish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.031144
4 Irish + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.066848
5 French + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.139596
6 French + Irish + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Norwegian @ 3.139873
7 Irish + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 3.158871
8 French + Irish + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.167505
9 Irish + North_Dutch + South_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.185331
10 French + Swedish + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish @ 3.191649
11 Irish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 3.200058
12 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + South_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.232515
13 North_Dutch + North_German + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.255869
14 French + Irish + South_Polish + Swedish @ 3.256764
15 North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.278265
16 French + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish @ 3.280162
17 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.286377
18 Irish + Irish + Ukrainian + West_German @ 3.286693
19 Hungarian + Irish + South_Dutch + Swedish @ 3.296676
20 Hungarian + North_German + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 3.297403

[Figaro]

bump?

[Mazik]

It is clear you have Finnic blood.

My first thought too. After seeing the oracle + the Siberian.

[Figaro]

My first thought too. After seeing the oracle + the Siberian.

I really wonder where it comes from. These results are my dad's....his father was German-American and we have a very common German last name. His mother was adopted, but was at least in part British Islander (plus really looked the part).

[Alessio]

mine im not iranian jewish and all those other things neither finnish nor bulgarian nor afghan tadjik etc. very vague, it just shows where you have genetic similarities with populations doesnt mean you are that

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 17.02
2 West_Med 16.07
3 Baltic 16.04
4 East_Med 15.34
5 West_Asian 15.16
6 South_Asian 13.01
7 Red_Sea 2.68
8 East_Asian 2.05
9 Oceanian 1.13


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 16.703808
2 Bulgarian @ 17.125486
3 Romanian @ 17.569115
4 Italian_Abruzzo @ 20.490191
5 Central_Greek @ 20.643761
6 Serbian @ 20.658720
7 East_Sicilian @ 21.498854
8 West_Sicilian @ 22.159981
9 Tuscan @ 22.262627
10 Moldavian @ 23.634890
11 North_Italian @ 23.896461
12 South_Italian @ 24.135355
13 Ashkenazi @ 24.412497
14 Hungarian @ 27.185606
15 Croatian @ 27.311346
16 Turkish @ 27.954670
17 Nogay @ 28.653008
18 Turkmen @ 28.846252
19 Tadjik @ 29.376665
20 Austrian @ 29.515713

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Tadjik +50% North_Italian @ 10.581395


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Gujarati +25% Tuscan @ 3.362996


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iranian_Jewish + La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.601501
2 Brahmin_UP + Georgian_Jewish + La_Brana-1 + Sardinian @ 2.700396
3 Assyrian + La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.805312
4 La_Brana-1 + Lebanese_Muslim + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.892149
5 Kurdish_Jewish + La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 2.923356
6 Assyrian + Brahmin_UP + La_Brana-1 + Sardinian @ 3.139093
7 La_Brana-1 + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian + Syrian @ 3.155434
8 Brahmin_UP + Finnish + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 3.179107
9 Bangladeshi + Central_Greek + Romanian + Romanian @ 3.187925
10 Brahmin_UP + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Croatian @ 3.201081
11 Brahmin_UP + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 3.227827
12 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Romanian @ 3.250407
13 Brahmin_UP + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + South_Italian @ 3.255413
14 Brahmin_UP + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + West_Sicilian @ 3.259315
15 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 3.259318
16 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.264418
17 Bangladeshi + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Serbian @ 3.266553
18 Brahmin_UP + Cyprian + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.266772
19 Brahmin_UP + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + West_Sicilian @ 3.271399
20 Finnish + Iranian_Jewish + Punjabi_Jat + Sardinian @ 3.275060

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Gujarati +25% Tuscan @

Seems like a pretty good fit considering your south Asian and Slavic input

[Figaro]

Also...his Countries of Ancestry on 23andme set to 5 cm's..

United Kingdom
Ireland
Germany
Denmark
Russia
Poland
Netherlands
Norway
Italy
Ukraine
Greece
Sweden
Romania
France
Cuba

etc..

[Petalpusher]

The problem with the whole Finn guess : he doesn't score any on 23andme. Usually it tries to discriminate well the Finn with the scandinavian.


edit : Try Euro K12b it is supposed to pick the Finnish specifically.

[Figaro]

Maybe it's some Norwegian ancestry, or something.

[Figaro]

The problem with the whole Finn guess : he doesn't score any on 23andme. Usually it tries to discriminate well the Finn with the scandinavian.


edit : Try Euro K12b it is supposed to pick the Finnish specifically.


Population
Western European 37.57%
Siberian 0.46%
East African 0.99%
West Central Asian -
South Asian 1.27%
West African -
Caucasus 6.41%
Finnish 12.26%
Mediterranean 11.82%
Southwest Asian 2.58%
North European 26.64%
East Asian -

[Petalpusher]

Maybe it's some Norwegian ancestry, or something.

Yes sounds more like it for the chunk of Scandinavian. Swedes score more Finns than this, about +50% but of course some would have been "washed away" with a generation or 2, so Norway/Sweden are more plausible. 12% is at a very North Dutch/Dane level presently (with no other mix).

Can you tell what you know with certitude now about his ancestry?

[Figaro]

Yes sounds more like it for the chunk of Scandinavian. Swedes score more Finns than this, about +50% but of course some would have been "washed away" with a generation or 2, so Norway/Sweden are more plausible. 12% is at a very North Dutch/Dane level presently (with no other mix).

Can you tell what you know with certitude now about his ancestry?

Y-dna: R1a1a
Mtdna: H3

My grandfather was German...my grandmother English in part at least... and there is a family story she was given up by a young unwed Danish girl...but even if this much was true, I'd imagine the Finn would be less, this mixing considered.

[Figaro]

Black Wolf/Jax is a user here with 1/4 Finnish ancestry. I recall him saying, in discussion about this eurogenes version, that he scored about 18%.

That isn't a lot higher than my dad's results.

[Petalpusher]

Y-dna: R1a1a
Mtdna: H3

My grandfather was German...my grandmother English in part at least... and there is a family story she was given up by a young unwed Danish girl...but even if this much was true, I'd imagine the Finn would be less, this mixing considered.

Ok, wow interesting, i think the story could definetly match the datas. If he was only a German/English mix he wouldn't get so much Siberian and Finnish, and if her mother was half english and half ethnically something like North Dane/or South Norwegian-Swedish, it could really well click with the readings.

I ve seen Blackwolf results, but a roughly 1/3 Finn would get at least as much as him, i ve never seen a full one running this test so it's difficult to say, it would be much higher i suppose.

[Figaro]

Any other thoughts?

[Figaro]

Interestingly, Sweden has moved up on my dad's COA on 23andme. Fifth place on the default setting. Denmark is 4th place, but interestingly, with upped cm's, Sweden overtakes Denmark.

Also, Greece becomes number one with higher-still CM's. Haha....

[Figaro]

Ok, wow interesting, i think the story could definetly match the datas. If he was only a German/English mix he wouldn't get so much Siberian and Finnish, and if her mother was half english and half ethnically something like North Dane/or South Norwegian-Swedish, it could really well click with the readings.

I ve seen Blackwolf results, but a roughly 1/3 Finn would get at least as much as him, i ve never seen a full one running this test so it's difficult to say, it would be much higher i suppose.

Far as I know, all of the Danish lands and modern Denmark are still well south of any Finnic kind of areas. Why then would he apparently show some Finnic ancestry? Might be some Swedish. Like I said a bit ago, Sweden moved up for him to the top five. His ma's adoptive side had some "Andersons" and Anderson does come up as one of his surname view names. Maybe an in-family adoption is plausible.

[Petalpusher]

Far as I know, all of the Danish lands and modern Denmark are still well south of any Finnic kind of areas. Why then would he apparently show some Finnic ancestry? Might be some Swedish. Like I said a bit ago, Sweden moved up for him to the top five. His ma's adoptive side had some "Andersons" and Anderson does come up as one of his surname view names. Maybe an in-family adoption is plausible.

All Scandinavian are gonna score high on this component, it's a signal that peeks in Finns but population around will get substantial amounts, they are all relatively related ancestrally, it's just decreasing as you go South and West, and then lowers again in pan germanic pops but still a bit is in there. As you reach Spain & Italy, it's at 0.

Look at these run of members. Most English, or pan Germanic like Austrian will get 5-6-7%, then look at Marshmallow who has some good amount of Finn, she gets 20% or Oneeye who has some Norwegian he s at 9% and the parent at past 10. Getting 12% is a strong hint at something more Northern than Brit/German, probably not definetly Finnic but the kind of population we discussed previously.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?65312-Gedmatch-Eurogenes-K12b-Admixture-Proportions/page4