classify hungarian alpha male

[Antimage]

http://galeria.cosmopolitan.hu/files/675/074/000/74675/74675_615552_1000x700.jpghttp://i.ytimg.com/vi/JGf4wb4RCZ0/maxresdefault.jpghttp://www.cosmopolitan.hu/Root/Shared/Pictures/2014/09/16/lazar_bence.pnghttp://i.ytimg.com/vi/sDgq1JJHaNw/maxresdefault.jpg

[Deneb]

A bit exotic. Looks slightly mixed. Remotely Asian.

[Antimage]

A bit exotic. Looks slightly mixed. Remotely Asian.

he's hungarian but looks more serb or bulgarian

[Sarmatian]

Why do I have impression he is plucking his eyebrows?

[Antimage]

Why do I have impression he is plucking his eyebrows?

he may do that

is it considered a bad thing where you live?

[Deneb]

Why do I have impression he is plucking his eyebrows?

As Cristiano Ronaldo then, portuguese alpha male.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Turkic gay - typical hungarian.

[Linet]

Ah...Hungarians :pinklove: ...where is Stears to put some more photos of Roland :shy:? I need more photos of Roland :cry2 ...the absolute male....

[Antimage]

ROFL, there are no such aliens in balkan.Only in Hungrystan, you are deluded.


he looks mongolo-turkic.

or the way blogen would scientifically classify "Turan".

he looks similar to lazar angelov from bulgaria

[Antimage]

any classification?

[Antimage]

what makes you think we look anything like Bvlgar with significant Turkic minorities like Oghuz, Pechenegs and Tatars???

you both share with them that mongolic green stripe in your flag, go figure.

not to mention that they are shorter by 10cm at least on average from us.

you said balkan in last post. bulgaria is balkan

[jatt]

DOest look European. Pure Europeans can't look alpha

[Hungarian_master]

East Med+CM

[Sarmatian]

he may do that

is it considered a bad thing where you live?

It's considered far from alpha, more like gay.

[Proto-Shaman]

Turanid-Med + Caspid-Iranid

[Prism]

What a faggot.
Alpha-Male ? Please
It looks like he wears make-up for God's sake.

[Prism]

DOest look European. Pure Europeans can't look alpha

Oh I'm sorry 165cm ( average height ) Indians do ? Give me a break.

Your people are only good at programming computers and selling Curry.
This is why I hate Indians so much on average, they think they're so superior when the truth is they're not.

[Highlands]

Only looks attractive in pic 2.

[Antimage]

East Med+CM

he lacks CM imo. his cheekbone is wide but the jaw is narrow

[aherne]

Gypsy from Hungary. Indian is by far the greatest element in him (other than that there is Pontid):
http://www.cosmopolitan.hu/Root/Shared/Pictures/2014/09/16/lazar_bence.png
^ he could be a "Jatt"

[Antimage]

Gypsy from Hungary. Indian is by far the greatest element in him (other than that there is Pontid):

^ he could be a "Jatt"

he doesn't look gypsy and i think he's no gypsy

come on, he can pass as romanian, why do you say he's gypsy

http://telesport.cms.mtv.hu/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/10/D__FO20110530007.pnghttp://s1.dmcdn.net/AbfwO/x240-oe8.jpg

[Stears]

He is noz Hungarian, but a foreign player of Ujpest Fc soccer club.

[Antimage]

He is noz Hungarian, but a foreign player of Ujpest Fc soccer club.

what is he?

[Bagot]

what is he?

Lázár Bence (born 21 March 1991) is a former Hungarian footballer (striker) player who last played for Újpest FC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bence_L%C3%A1z%C3%A1r

[Antimage]

Lázár Bence (born 21 March 1991) is a former Hungarian footballer (striker) player who last played for Újpest FC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bence_L%C3%A1z%C3%A1r

i know hes hungarian, im asking stears, i wanna know his opiniopn

[Stears]

His birthplace Kecskemét is part of Kunság (Cumania) , but I think he is Jewish, due to his family name: Lazarus (Hungarian Lázár)

http://ujpestfc.hu/files/images/p1882djkjg1g7uftm1nhfk7414vi2.jpg

[Bagot]

His birthplace Kecskemét is part of Kunság (Cumania) , but I think he is Jewish, due to his family name: Lazarus (Hungarian Lázár)

I'm not saying that is Hungarian 100% because simply I don't know, but I don't think he is Jewish.

[Stears]

I think Lázár has childish face, that's why he try to counter tit with beard.

[Stears]

I'm not saying that is Hungarian 100% because simply I don't know, but I don't think he is Jewish. I think he is. (at least partially) Lazarus....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1nos_L%C3%A1z%C3%A1r This Lazar is politician, he is also in Kunság (cumania), his ancestors were Holocaust survivors.

http://www.3szek.ro/kepek2/20150602224850.jpg

http://nol.hu/data/cikk/1/40/70/1/cikk_1407001/819801.jpg

[Stears]

According to his name he must have Jewish ancestry.

http://www.nb1.hu/sites/default/files/hirkep/litauszki_ujpestfchu.jpg http://www.csakfoci.hu/files/ujpolo.jpg

[Stears]

Lázár is a good example, that thin men can be strong within 2 years in GYM. A simple beard made him more masculine. (Many feminine men grew beard to hide their childish look)



Lázár in 2015

http://www.blikk.hu/data/cikk/2/29/19/45/cikk_2291945/lonline_lazar_20131217_100_.jpg

[Roy]

Turanic Gypsy.

[Stears]

Turanic Gypsy. I think he is partially Jewish (He goes to GYm and solarium, as you can see in his earlier photos he has no dark skin originally), but average Polish men are not lighter than he. (Lázár has blue eyes light brown hair)

Polish teams

http://hdsportswallpapers.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/polish-soccer-team-jtte2hax.jpg
http://www.football-wallpapers.com/wallpapers4/poland_2_1024x768.jpg

Polish women team (the two "blond" women are seemingly dyed blond)

http://i1.wp.com/www.psnfutbol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/wntteampose1.jpg?resize=1000%2C600

[aherne]

This Lazar is politician, he is also in Kunság (cumania), his ancestors were Holocaust survivors.

http://www.3szek.ro/kepek2/20150602224850.jpg

You had to insert this, stupid vampire :bullet puke My ancestors are also WW2 survivors: so fucking what?. What makes a "Holocaust survivor" special other than being a conniving Jew waiting to cash in from goyim's misguided sense of guilt?

[MagnusAurelius]

DOest look European. Pure Europeans can't look alpha

Pure Europeans can't look alpha? Coming from the Indian with too much pride, India of all places, the most conquered and dominated nation in history. Greeks/Macedonians conquered parts of India, Arabs, Mughals, Portuguese Empire, Dutch Empire , British Empire. Has India ever successfully fought off an Invasion? Nope, never, haha, I don't think you can imply Europeans don't look "alpha" , that depends on the man and someone who is from a conquered and dominated people should not be qualified to make an opinion on something like that.

[cocofirefly]

You had to insert this, stupid vampire :bullet puke My ancestors are also WW2 survivors: so fucking what?. What makes a "Holocaust survivor" special other than being a conniving Jew waiting to cash in from goyim's misguided sense of guilt?

No offense but from your posts I can tell you're a little bitch. I don't know why other members don't call you out for it but you sound really griping, bitter, and overly emotional like a woman who has been jaded by too many men and ran through. I feel like your the definition of a beta male who pretends to be tough and I have the strongest urge to stab you in the throat with scissors and end your existence. Is that okay? I think it's ok. :cool:

[aherne]

No offense but from your posts I can tell you're a little bitch. I don't know why other members don't call you out for it but you sound really griping, bitter, and overly emotional like a woman who has been jaded by too many men and ran through. I feel like your the definition of a beta male who pretends to be tough and I have the strongest urge to stab you in the throat with scissors and end your existence. Is that okay? I think it's ok. :cool:

Who the fuck are you, troll? Your post literally reeks of frustration, hatred, bitterness, empty-headed emotional-drivel towards a total stranger... However, so much hatred reminds me of time-honored Jewish ways to answer criticism:
Anti-Semite: 1+1 = 2
Jew(-worshiper): you fucking nazi-who-wants-to-kill-six-million-jews

What I wrote was the truth. Truth is anti-semitic!

[cocofirefly]

Who the fuck are you, troll? Your post literally reeks of frustration, hatred, bitterness, empty-headed emotional-drivel towards a total stranger... However, so much hatred reminds me of time-honored Jewish ways to answer criticism:
Anti-Semite: 1+1 = 2
Jew(-worshiper): you fucking nazi-who-wants-to-kill-six-million-jews

What I wrote was the truth. Truth is anti-semitic!

Who the FUCK am I ? Who the FUCK are YOU for answering me with such arrogant superiority and a post reeked with delusions of self-grandeur and certainty that I am a Jew? GUFFAW. What makes you think I'm a Jew? Because I don't like you? FALSE. I don't like your paranoid fantasies of the evil Jew man and going on long tangents to ful fill your mental masturbation of your pathological fears of Jews taking over the world. What makes you think I'm a Jew defender? It has nothing to do with you not believing in the Holocaust as I know a very intelligent man who does not believe in it and questions the "lobby", it's the fact you sound immature, irritating, and very childish trying to sound like a big guy. Your kind of mind is perfect for a sheepie who gets manipulated by any kind of propaganda.

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1389/30/1389307719996.png

[aherne]

Who the FUCK am I ? Who the FUCK are YOU for answering me with such arrogant superiority and a post reeked with delusions of self-grandeur and certainty that I am a Jew? GUFFAW. What makes you think I'm a Jew? Because I don't like you? FALSE.

There is a general tendency among worthless stupid people to rally behind an authority figure and viciously attack others they feel unprotected. Something like puddles feeling heroic with their handlers around:) My impression of you is of someone that thinks by remote control: too stupid and formulaic to be a Jew. I honestly feel sorry of you...

How are Jews responding when they are caught being their usual selves (pursuing their ethnic agendas at the expense of goyim sheep):
1. fear mongering: are you a nazi/racist/*insert here anything that denotes someone as semitically incorrect*. Typically, this prison-fearing, social-ostracism-fearing man retreats and thus gives opponent the upper ground.
2. straw man: you are saying this only because *insert here a low-level personal attack*. Typically, this either makes someone either respond to insult (which helps derail the subject) or retreat (when that person is psychologically vulnerable).
3. sentimental drivel: six million innocent people were murdered because of people thinking like you. This enacts the imagery of a million "documentaries" showing corpses in mass graves and tales of innocent people thrown into death chambers. Typically this makes man feel "bad" about himself, thus give opponent the upper ground.
4: projection: you hater / you ignorant. At the same time the person that accuses you is doing so with much hatred and using arguments stemming from dishonesty and ignorance. Typically this makes man feel unsure about himself, thus give opponent the upper ground.
^ all ways to SILENCE rather than REPOND criticism.

A thousand of years ago, Aryan man still strove for ḱlewos ndhgwhitom (undying glory), that of a man overcoming himself to become a hero: someone striving for purity of word and action, a man of irreproachable honor that ought to never survive defeat. I have a tear in my eyes thinking of Anglo-Saxon fighters having had their brave king slayed by Danes but dying to the last man for their own honor and for the honor of their befallen rḗǵs (king). Yet another tear for Gunnar of Nyal's Saga, a hero ruthless against enemies, but also an intelligent man of honor, always true to his words, never lying, always ready to die for his fellow men. Gunnar ended slayed by his opponents, but what he achieved in his short life is undying glory, enough for people of Iceland to build a kurgan above his body (how fitting that is for the dying times of Aryan culture in Europe) and never forget him ever since.

How light years ahead is this with judaean-inspired discussions about heresies ("anti-Semitism") and lack of conformity to a number of worthless books dictated by gods (or in modern times Jewish agitators).

[blogen]

He is clear Europid, from the Mediterranid stock.

[gr49]

what makes you think we look anything like Bvlgar with significant Turkic minorities like Oghuz, Pechenegs and Tatars???

you both share with them that mongolic green stripe in your flag, go figure.

not to mention that they are shorter by 10cm at least on average from us.

That's what i call mediocre trolling. :picard1:

The Bulgarian flag is inspired (almost a copy) of the Italian flag, that's because most of the Bulgarian revolutionists and politicians were admirers of Garibaldi and his revolution back then. Your mongolic strips theory is pure bullshit.

Yes, the Serbians are taller on average (5cm not 10cm), but what's your point? The average height of Bulgarian male is exectly the same with the one of Greece, France, Germany, UK and so on. Serbs are one of the tallest in the world.

The Bulgarians and the Turks populations don't mix. From the hundreds of people i know, there's not a single baby with mixed Bulgarian-Turkish parents. By the very same logic, can we say that because they're Albanians in Serbia, most of the Serbs have Albanians blood? Bulgarians in general are mostly Indo-european proto-Bulgarians and Thracians with some Slavic and very little Turkish influences. We're lot more related (DNA) to Romania, North Greece, North Italy, Macedonia (obviously).

The year is 2015, the Balkans are so mixed, our history so complex and bent. I don't see how one can possess the one-sided 19 century "patriotic" views without being silly and inadequate.

[zalmoxe]

He doesn't look magyar at all.He will fit better in western Turkey due to his mongloid eyes.

[Bagot]

Alpha what?

[blogen]

He doesn't look magyar at all.He will fit better in western Turkey due to his mongloid eyes.

Eastern Mediterranid admixture, typical Hungarian, because the Eastern Mediterranids (Pontids, Iranids, etc.) are significant part of the Hungarian's racial composition.

[Stears]

Eastern Mediterranid admixture, typical Hungarian, because the Eastern Mediterranids (Pontids, Iranids, etc.) are significant part of the Hungarian's racial composition. Again, you belong to the Jassic (iranic) minority, do not expand your look to the Hungarians.

[Proto-Shaman]

Jassic
= Besenyő

[Stears]

= Besenyő Most of them live in Wallachia and Moldavia.

[mikhail]

what makes you think we look anything like Bvlgar

What's the point of spelling "Bulgar" like "Bvlgar"? Is that supposed to be hip or something? Is it an inside joke? It seems retarded.


with significant Turkic minorities like Oghuz, Pechenegs and Tatars???

Pechenegs haven't existed for hundreds of years, Oghuz is very generalized, and Tatars number less than 5,000 Tatars in Bulgaria according to the last census.


you both share with them that mongolic green stripe in your flag, go figure.

Better a Mongol than a Yugo-Slave.


not to mention that they are shorter by 10cm at least on average from us.

Kewl story breh

http://i62.tinypic.com/21bu59x.png

[mikhail]

That's what i call mediocre trolling. :picard1:

The Bulgarian flag is inspired (almost a copy) of the Italian flag, that's because most of the Bulgarian revolutionists and politicians were admirers of Garibaldi and his revolution back then. Your mongolic strips theory is pure bullshit.

What the fuck? I've never heard that, do you have a source?


Yes, the Serbians are taller on average (5cm not 10cm), but what's your point?

Serbs aren't tall where it counts, though :laugh:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2prba6s.jpg


Bulgarians in general are mostly Indo-european proto-Bulgarians

Proto-Bulgarians weren't Indo-European. They were Turkic, and that silly Iranic fringe theory does not have state support, unlike the Turkic theory. The Iranic theory is not internationally accepted by academics from all over the world, hell, it's not even accepted by the majority of Bulgarian academics. It's just the result of an inferiority complex some Bulgarians have because they feel less "whyte n juropeein" than their neighbours. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Proto-Bulgarians being Turks, though, I don't understand why so many Bulgarians are ashamed of it.


and Thracians

No. Bulgarians have almost no Thracian blood. Check my signature, it will prove it. Bulgarians have a "Mediterranean" look and genetics because they have Greek admixture, not Thracian. Thracians were extinct by the 5th century.


with some Slavic

Well, it's actually a bit more than a little.


We're lot more related (DNA) to Romania, North Greece

Those places were part of Bulgaria for hundreds of years, and were among the staging grounds of the Slavic invasions and raids into the Balkans. Romanians particularly spoke Middle Bulgarian as the official language of administration and literature of Wallachia and Moldavia for quite some time.


North Italy

xD


The year is 2015, the Balkans are so mixed, our history so complex and bent. I don't see how one can possess the one-sided 19 century "patriotic" views without being silly and inadequate.

I agree. The whole "Bulgarians are Iranic Thracians" thing was first coined by Georgi Rakovski and Bulgarian intellectuals in Odessa in order to give Bulgarians the idea that they are "distinct" and to fuel the patriotism that would lead to great uprisings. Bulgarians today refuse to admit that the Bulgars were Turkic because they don't want to silently justify the Anatolian Turkish occupation of Bulgaria which lasted for 500 years, or associate themselves with something (the Turks) which are seen in a very negative light by most of Eastern and Southeastern Europe. Many Bulgarians claim to be descendants of "Thracians" because they want to claim "native" status, it is in human nature to try to solidify their claims to territory, and appearing as "native" to the Balkans would do the trick, and is something needed because Bulgaria has already lost tons of land to it's neighbours and wants to justify why it should have it's land back, and retain current territorial possessions.

The war with Turkey is over, there's no longer a need to cling to this revivalist bullshit about "Iranic Bulgars".

Also, what would you prefer, if Asparukh spoke Turkish or if he spoke Gypsy? Which one is the lesser evil to you? Would you prefer it if the Bulgars were Turks or if they were Pamir-speaking Iranic/Aryan Nomadic Caravan gypsies from the Indian subcontinent? It's a lose-lose situation for chauvinists.

[Proto-Shaman]

Most of them live in Wallachia and Moldavia.
I mean historically.

[Arrow Cross]

:lmao :picard2:

Threads like this don't exactly help spread an image of national glory, now do they? Want a Hungarian alpha male? Here's a Hungarian alpha male. Physically, morally, and even politically.

http://www.digisport.hu/images/newsgallery/1/11085_537x350.jpg

[gr49]

What the fuck? I've never heard that, do you have a source?



https://frognews.bg/news_24488/Balgarski-pobornitsi-%E2%80%93-liubimtsi-na-Garibaldi/




Proto-Bulgarians weren't Indo-European. They were Turkic, and that silly Iranic fringe theory does not have state support, unlike the Turkic theory. The Iranic theory is not internationally accepted by academics from all over the world, hell, it's not even accepted by the majority of Bulgarian academics. It's just the result of an inferiority complex some Bulgarians have because they feel less "whyte n juropeein" than their neighbours. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Proto-Bulgarians being Turks, though, I don't understand why so many Bulgarians are ashamed of it.


The proto-Bulgarians were rather mixed. They had both turks and indo-european DNA and traits.

How would you explain this : http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056779

We found that the Y-chromosome gene pool in modern Bulgarians is primarily represented by Western Eurasian haplogroups with ~ 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17. Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%. Principal Component analyses group Bulgarians with European populations, apart from Central Asian Turkic-speaking groups and South Western Asia populations.

[gr49]

@davai

Personally, I don't fucking care if I've slavic, greek, european, turkish, eskimo or whatever DNA. I'm what I'm, perfectly fine with myself. I also try to be objective, to not fall into historic fallacies and to not believe propaganda myths.

I've met many different people from all around the world, most of them were highly educated and polite and open to the world. Yet, I was very unpleasantly surprised by most Serbs i met. Not common ones, but well-educated intellectuals.
Most of them were very brain-washed, ignorant and very-very butt-hurt. They think like it's fucking 1600s and hate everyone - the Croats, the Albanians, the Greeks, the Bulgarians, The Bosniaks. On the top of that they have huge inferiority complex, witch they tried to over-compensate with demonstration of fake superiority.

Fucking hell people, if all of you are like that - you deserve what youve got. Serbia spreading just 100km around Belgrad, without access to the sea.

And yes, they're few brainwashed cretins like you in Bulgaria, but mostly in the less-educated and poorer society groups. And as such they don't cast much shadow in our society.

[mikhail]

the only retard here is you dear mongol offspring.

wrong.

you have cca. 1 million of Turkic and Gypsy minorities. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bulgaria#Ethnic_groups)

Where on that census does it say "Pechenegs"? Also, with every coming census, the numbers of those same Turkish and Gypsy minorities decrease. There aren't separatists among them, and the Turkish minority especially continues to assimilate by replacing Turkish with Bulgarian as their first language. Our minorities assimilate, while yours start separatist movements and take land.


roughly 1/4th of your country is colored with Turkic ethnic minorities. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Balkans-ethnic_%281861%29.jpg)

That map is from 1861 xD

If you want to hold it true for the current situation, then by that logic, the entire Eastern Serbia is just Albanians, Bulgarians and Vlachs. Don't be so selective.


and my personally favorite, THERE IS ONLY 1/5TH OR 1/6TH OF PURE BVLGAR ETHNIC COMPOSITION.Rest is utterly gypsified bastardized race.All Zigeuner, Turken, Gagauzen, Juden, Pomaken etc., one way or another.See for yourself gypsy..

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Bulgaria_%28ethnic%29_1892.JPG


That map is from between 1878-1885, it's an ethnographic map of the principality of Bulgaria before the annexation of Eastern Rumelia. What are you trying to do? Are you trying to prove to me that there use to be many foreigners in Bulgara? What's your point? You uploaded the census results from 2011 once, why are you selectively choosing to believe them when it's convenient, and disregard them for a 150 year old source when it isn't convenient? Why don't you just stay consistent? If you're trying to argue that Bulgarians today are assimilated-ex-Ottman Muslims, then maybe you should take into account that "Pomaks" are literally just Muslim Bulgarians, "Gagauz" are linguistically Turkified Balkanites, and between 1878 and 1911, 200,000 Turks were killed in Bulgaria and 720, 000 more were deported. If you want to count more, from 1911 to 1989, another 912,034 Turks were deported. Your bullshit doesn't hold up.


very humorous when a disgusting ugly gypsoid whose whore of a mother was raped by bashibazouk (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bashi-bazouk&redirect=no) and sold to Istanbul talks about slavery.Bvlgaria is quite regarded for a fine slave trafficking material my dear Saqaliba ("https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Saqaliba).

Quote:

Ibn Fadlan referred to the ruler of the Volga Bulgaria, Almış, as "King of the Saqaliba". This may have been either because many Slavs, both slaves and ordinary settlers, lived in his domain at that time; or a lack of ethnographical knowledge.

You should read the entire article first:
Ibrahim ibn Yaqub placed the people of "Saqalib" in the mountainous regions of Central Balkans, west of the Bulgarians and east from the "other Slavs," thus somewhere around modern day Bosnia, Montenegro, Serbia and Macedonia.



I also admire this piece of art my friend.Very artistic..

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Konstantin_Makovsky_-_The_Bulgarian_martyresses.jpg/640px-Konstantin_Makovsky_-_The_Bulgarian_martyresses.jpg

The Bulgarian martyresses by Konstantin Makovsky, a painting depicting the rape of Bulgarian women by the Bashi-bazouk during the April Uprising.[2][3] Unrestrained by the regulations that governed regular soldiers in the army, they became notorious for preying on civilians.[4]

So you're suggesting that Serbs never suffered under Ottoman rule? Okay.


I let you slip by with all the SRB and Croat talk few days ago, but now it is time to stfu my dear brown subhuman gypsoid.

You're like a dumbed-down version of Stears, if that's possible xD

What has the world done to you to make you such an angry and unpleasant person? Please headbutt a concrete wall, failed abortion, you will be accomplishing what your mother failed to do with a coat hanger.

[mikhail]

https://frognews.bg/news_24488/Balgarski-pobornitsi-%E2%80%93-liubimtsi-na-Garibaldi/




The proto-Bulgarians were rather mixed. They had both turks and indo-european DNA and traits.

How would you explain this : http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056779

We found that the Y-chromosome gene pool in modern Bulgarians is primarily represented by Western Eurasian haplogroups with ~ 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17. Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%. Principal Component analyses group Bulgarians with European populations, apart from Central Asian Turkic-speaking groups and South Western Asia populations.

Yeah, they were mixed, but what matters is what the ruling clan's composition was, and it certainly was Turkic. They lived in a tribal confederation, they lived by assimilating other peoples into their tribal confederation as they expanded and migrated as was what suited their nomadic lifestyle. The backbone and identity of the confederation was Turkic.

[Proto-Shaman]

Yeah, they were mixed, but what matters is what the ruling clan's composition was, and it certainly was Turkic. They lived in a tribal confederation, they lived by assimilating other peoples into their tribal confederation as they expanded and migrated as was what suited their nomadic lifestyle. The backbone and identity of the confederation was Turkic.
You nailed it! :thumb001:

nobody denies an "Iranic"-Sarmatian-like substratum among the Turkic bulk of the Bulgars, but to show them as purely turkified Iranics is not very much differing from the joke in my signature below.

[gr49]

Yeah, they were mixed, but what matters is what the ruling clan's composition was, and it certainly was Turkic. They lived in a tribal confederation, they lived by assimilating other peoples into their tribal confederation as they expanded and migrated as was what suited their nomadic lifestyle. The backbone and identity of the confederation was Turkic.

I don't possess history background. Yet I've read that the proto-bulgarians had some non-turkish, but perso-iranian traits. Some of their words, names, rutials. The way they do burials and so on.

And that's was like 1500 years ago. Right now, in modern days, the general picture is well described in the research i've posted above.


The second PC separates populations by latitude, as Hgs R-M17 and R-M458 are most frequent in Europeans, Hgs A-M91, B-M60 and E-P2 are almost exclusive to East African groups and Hgs E-M123 and J-M267 are most frequent in North Africa and the Southern Middle East. Europeans separate from Turks, Caucasus populations, Iranians and Pakistanis along the PC1 and from Arabic and East African populations along the PC2. In the plot of this analysis, Bulgarians distribute within the European cluster, very close to Macedonian Greeks, but relatively far from their south-eastern neighbours - the Turks.

[gr49]

I've found good and quite unbiased discussion on the subject at histforum - http://historum.com/european-history/74630-how-come-bulgarians-started-speak-slavic-language-5.html

[Proto-Shaman]

no.

http://shrani.si/f/17/k3/4gFXKg92/huehue.png
So, Serbs and Croats are actually Iranian. Embrace your Aryan heritage, all hail Zoroaster ;)

[mikhail]

didnt bother you from parading with that map few weeks ago until I explained to your ape brains what that map actually means.

You're using a map from around a century and a half ago to cancel out Bulgaria's demographics as shown by the census, yet you used the census results to prove something, either stay consistent to one or the other.


Guess that makes it legit, at least in your case.

I didn't use a century and a half year old map to falsify an ethnogenesis and override census results, unlike you.


That map happens to be very accurate though.

Yes, a century and a half ago, it was.


What you fail to realize is that all of these sciences are based on one simple principle, that is sampling, even genetics.

Historic cartography =/= modern genetic science.


Ibrahim ibn Yaqub placed the people of "Saqalib" in the mountainous regions of Central Balkans, west of the Bulgarians and east from the "other Slavs," thus somewhere around modern day Bosnia, Montenegro, Serbia and Macedonia. The Saqalib had the reputation of being "the most courageous and violent".

I didn't include that because that has nothing to do with where they were historically situated..?


GEE, why would they be violent and courageous!?!?!?!? xD

Are you still trying to prove that the Saqaliba were not Serbs or have you all of a sudden changed your stance?


mby thy be Jannisaries?!?!? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries)

it is generally known that best jannisaries came from Serbia and Bosnia,

From Bosnia, yes:


According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, "in early days, all Christians were enrolled indiscriminately. Later, those from Albania, Bosnia, and Bulgaria were preferred."[9]


while Bvlgaria for slave whore trafficking to Istanbul slave markets.

Serbs were never slaves? K.


The Turkish soldiers are told that during a period of two weeks they may kill any Serb over fifteen years of age and enslave women and children. In a single day, in a hastily organized slave market in Belgrade, some 1800 Serbs are sold.


I prefer much more shitting into cornflakes of your early breakfast you take in the morning mongolic cocktail bastardized gypsy.I notice you not only like to lecture to Serbs, but also to Croats few days back.

Calm down. You get way more angry over the internet than a normal person should, get a life.


here is your genetic picture gypsy.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V2iMgYjZzk_wRxCbVR7ZdA1EYrnId26b91gVRJDMPJQ/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1#gid=3

correlates nicely with those ethnographic maps.))

Not really. If Bulgaria were mostly Turkish as you said, it would look very different, genetically and physically.