Just how Turkic are Turks?

[poiuytrewq0987]

J2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J2_(Y-DNA))=24% – J2 (M172)[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) Typical of west Mediterranean populations
R1b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA))=14.7%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) Widespread in western Eurasia, with distinct 'west Asian' and 'west European' lineages. The predominant haplogroup among Armenians.
G (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_G_(Y-DNA))=10.9%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of people from the Caucasus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus) and to a lesser extent the Middle East, southern parts of Central Asia, and Europe.
E3b-M35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA))=10.7%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) (E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 accounting for all E representatives in the sample, besides a single E3b2-M81 chromosome). E-M78 occurs commonly, and is found in northern and eastern Africa, western Asia[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-156) Haplogroup E-M123 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M123) is found in both Africa and Eurasia.
J1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA))=9%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula and Dagestan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan) (ranging from 3% from Turks around Konya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konya) to 12% in Kurds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds)).
R1a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a_(Y-DNA))=6.9%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Common in various Central Asian, North Indian, and Eastern European populations.
I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(Y-DNA))=5.3%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Common in Scandinavia, Sardinia, the Balkans, eastern Europe and among Kurds.
K (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K_(Y-DNA))=4.5%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
L (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L_(Y-DNA))=4.2%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Khorasan) populations. Found sporadically in the Middle East and the Caucasus.
N (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(Y-DNA))=3.8%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T_(Y-DNA))=2.5%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Northeast African and South Asian populations
Q (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_Q_(Y-DNA))=1.9%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of Northern Altaic populations.


If I read the data correctly, then only 5-10% or so of the population are directly descended from the original Turkic invaders. The haplogroups N, L and Q were what the original Turks carried and only a small percentage of Turks today carry it.

[Afshar]

Who were the original Turks?

[sql]

Haplogroups are not the best indication. Autosomal DNA shows Anatolian Turks are 25-50% Turkmen-like steppe ancestry.

[Gooding]

Haplogroups are not the best indication. Autosomal DNA shows Anatolian Turks are 25-50% Turkmen-like steppe ancestry.

Who are the Turkmens and when did they enter Anatolia?

[Dick]

Haplogroups are not the best indication. Autosomal DNA shows Anatolian Turks are 25-50% Turkmen-like steppe ancestry.

I think all turks need to get tested to have a clearer picture

[gültekin]

This article will give a brief overview of Y-DNA haplogroups which exist in Turkic people in Central Asia and Eastern Europe.

Genetic research indicates that Turkic people do not consist of just a single or a few haplogroups, but they stock nearly 18 Y-DNA haplogroups. It is impossible to reduce the roots of Turkic people into a few haplogroups or a certain geographical location. It is apparent that Turkic people consist of various Y-DNA haplogroups, which came together within thousand of years.

Historically, Turkic culture and language were risen over the tribal federation of steppe people from the Volga River to eastern steppes under the name of “Turk” by the Turkic Khaganate between the sixth and eighth centuries. Then Khazar Khaganate appeared as the western wing of Turkic tribal federations between the Dnieper and Volga Rivers across the Caucasus and Northern Azerbaijan to Pontic-Caspian steppes between 7th and 11th centuries.
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Turkic Khaganate (552-744) and Khazar Khaganate (630-1048)

Turks were known to be semi-nomadic people of steppes who spread into Eurasia and Middle East. It is possible that the first state called “Turkic Khaganate” had already stocked various Y-DNA haplogroups when it was founded in a large area from the Volga and Caspian steppes to Eastern Asia (Check the map). Turkic Khaganate was a tribal confederation in Central Asia, which also included various haplogroups at that time. The history displays that several Turkic tribes spread into especially eastern Europe and Middle East over the last two thousands years. They might have both spread and absorbed various haplogroups within that time. They founded dozens of states and empires through the history, also embraced various people, and melted them in their own cultural and linguistic pot with time. Central Asia, which is the homeland of Turkic people, also stocks a significant amount of Y-DNA haplogroups today as it was in the past.

It is apparent that Turkic people are the genetic descendants of ancient steppe people of Eurasia and Central Asia such as Huns, Xiongnu, Bulgars, Khazars, Oghuz, Pechenegs, Cumans, Scythians, Sarmatians, Massagetes, Cimmerians, Tocharians, Ephthalites (White Huns), Eurasian Avars etc.

Y-DNA haplogroups which are seen among Turkic people of Ural-Volga, Southern and Central Asia are listed below with the percentages from several genetic researches. In general, Turkic ethnicities in Asia Minor (except Afshars) are not included in this research in order to see the genetic stock in Central Asia.

Haplogroup C: Kazakhs 36% [1], Karakalpaks 22.7% [3], Kyrgyz people 8.9% [2], Khakas people 5.7% [4], Uygurs 4.3% [5]

Haplogroup C-M130 is attributed to the northeast of Asia as it is easy to find the highest frequencies among the indigenous populations of Mongolia. This haplogroup is found at lower frequencies among Turkic people of Central Asia except Kazakhs. On the other hand, Mongolic and Tungusic people have the highest frequencies. It is possible that this haplogroup might have spread into Turks during the Mongol invasions of 13th century as well as previous tribal leagues in the history.

Haplogroup E: Chuvash people 14%[6], Kazan Tatars 5.7%[6], Kazakhs 2%[1], Uzbeks 1.5%[1]

It is discussed whether the haplogroup E-M96 originated in Africa or Asia, but it is possible to see the highest frequencies of haplogroup E in Africa. On the other hand, E-M243, which is a common subclade in North Africa, is also found in Europe (Albania, Greece and Italy) and Asia at significant frequencies. Haplogroup E-M78 is also found in the ethnicities of Ural-Volga region such as Chuvash people [Turkic] (14%), and Mordvins [Uralic] (10,2%), which is a significant amount.

Haplogroup F*: Kazakh 4.8% [2], Yugurs(China) 6.2% [2]

The minor sub-groups of F (F-M89) haplogroup have been observed in Yugurs of North China and Kazakhs in a frequency of 4-6%. The minor subclades of this haplogroup has also been observed in the Indian subcontinent as well.[17] These findings indicate that the possible origin place of haplogroup F might be somewhere in Central or Southern Asia. On the other hand, the major sub-groups of Haplogroup F are Haplogroups G, H, [IJ], and K.

Haplogroup G: Kazakhs 10% [1], Kazan Tatars 7.6%, Tuymaznsky Tatars 8% [6], Uzbeks 3.9% [9]

Haplogroup G (G-M201) is subdivided as G1 and G2. The haplogroup G1 is more common in Argyn tribe of Kazakhs whereas G2a is more common in Tatar and Nogay tribes of Kazakhstan. On the other hand, G2a is also found in high frequencies in Caucasian ethnicities. In Turkey, G has a frequency of 11% among Turkish males18 whereas this percentage is around 18% in Azerbaijan.

Haplogroup H: Turkmens 6% [3], Uzbeks 3.1%[9]

Haplogroup H is common in South Asia, but it is also found in Central Asian Turkic people at various frequencies.

Haplogroup I1: Kazan Tatars 11.3% [6], Tuymaznsky Tatars 8% [6], Chuvash people 7% [6], Gagauz people 4% [7]

Haplogroup I1(I-M253) is more common in northern Europe with a frequency of 37% in Sweden, 31.6% in Norway, 28% in Finland. Tatars of Eastern Europe also has a significant amount of this haplogroup.

Haplogroup I2: Gagauz people 20% [7], Chuvash people 4.7% [6], Kazan Tatars 1.9% [6], Tuymaznsky Tatars 4% [6]

The haplogroup I2 (I-M438) also has a significant amount among Turkic people of Eastern Europe. This haplogroup has the highest frequency in Bosniaks with a frequency of 55.5%, and then 26% in Romania. However, it is possible to see this haplogroup in Turkic people as well.

Haplogroup J1: Azerbaijani Turks 15.2% [8], Uzbeks 2,3% [9], Chuvash 2.3% [6], Tuymaznsky Tatars 2% [6], Kazakhs 2% [1], Gagauz people 2% [7]

Although Haplogroup J1 (J-M267) is more common in Caucasia and Middle East, it is possible to see this haplogroup among Turkic people. It is possible to see this haplogroup among Turkic people from Altai mountains to Balkans.

J2 haplogrubu: Uygurs 34%[2], Azerbaijani Turks 30.6%[20], Crimean Karaites 30%[19], Hazara people 26.6%[22], Kumyks 25%[21], Balkars 24%[10], Lithuanian Tatars 18.9[23], Turkmens 17%[11], Uzbeks 16%[9], Kazan Tatars 15.1%[6], Chuvash people 14%[6], Nogays 10.4%[21], Kazakhs 7%[1]

Haplogroup J2 is generally supposed to have originated somewhere in West Asia, but it is not obvious where J2 originated exactly. J2 is one of the most highest haplogroups in Caucasus. Turkish people also has a 24% frequency of J2 in Turkey. It also has significant frequencies in Central Asian Turkic people such as Uygurs, Uzbeks and Turkmens, and also common in Middle Eastern Turks such as Azerbaijani, Iraqi/Syrian Turkmens and Turkish people. J2 is one of the most common haplogroups in the world, spreading from Northern China to Portugal, and from Lithuania to Arabia with the highest frequencies in West Asia. J2 is subdivided into two sub-groups: J2a and J2b. Turkic people are mostly related to J2a; however, J2b is also observed in Ural-Volga Tatars, Uzbeks and Hazara people. It is possible to observe most of J2 variations among Turkic people such as J2-M322, J2-M410, J2-M530 (J2-L24), J2-M67, J2-M92, J2-L26 etc. This haplogroup is found in nearly all Turkic people at lower or higher frequencies.

Haplogroup L: Afshars 57% [12], Uzbeks 9,5% [9], Tuymaznsky Tatars 4% [6]

Haplogroup L is supposed to have originated somewhere in South Asia. However, this haplogroup is common in most of Turkic people at various frequencies.

Haplogroup N: Kazan Tatars 28.3% [6], Chuvash people 27.9% [6], Northern Altai people 10% [13], Kazakhs 8% [1], Kyrgyz 4.4%[1], Uzbeks 3,9% [9]

Haplogroup N is supposed to be related to Northern Asia and Europe. Typically haplogroup N is found in northern people of Asia and Europe such as Finnish and North Siberian people. For example, haplogroup N is found in Nenets at 97.3%; Khanti people at 76.6%, Finnish people at 61.5%, Lithuanians 42%, Yupiks (of Eskimo) at 50.6%. However, this haplogroup is also found in northern Turkic people.

Haplogroup O: Uygurs 10.5% [14], Southern Altaians 10% [13], Kazakhs 5%[1]-26.1%[24]

Haplogroup O is supposed to have originated somewhere in eastern or southeastern Asia. However, this haplogroup is also found in Turkic people of Central Asia at significant proportions.

Haplogroup Q: Uzbeks 9,5% [9], Uygurs 3% [16], Kyrgyz 2.2%, Kazakhs 2% [1]

Haplogroup Q is found in indigenous peoples of the Americas at the highest frequencies. However, this haplogroup is supposed to have originated somewhere in Siberia 20.000 years ago. It is also found in Europeans at a frequency of 0.5-2.5%. Tungusic people has this haplogroup at lower frequencies such as 4.2% whereas Selkups has it at %66.4 [15]. Kets who are of Dene-Yenisey language family has haplogroup Q at %93.7 [15]. Turkic people also has this haplogroup, but it is observed that it is not more than 10%.

Haplogroup R1a: Kyrgyz 63.5% [11], Uzbeks 27% [9], Kazan Tatars 20% [6], Gagauz people 19% [7], Kazakhs 15% [1], Turkmens 7% [11]

Haplogroup R1a is a common Y-DNA haplogroup which is usually observed in Turkic, Germanic and Slavic people of Eurasian steppes at significant frequencies. It is interesting that this haplogroup is especially observed in Kygyz people in Central Asia at a frequency of 63,5%, which is a significant amount. This haplogroup is found in nearly all Turkic people at lower or higher frequencies.

Haplogroup R1b: Bashkirs 43% [6], Tuymaznsky Tatars 16% [6], Gagauz people 12.5%, Uzbeks 11,1% [9], Kazakhs 7% [1]

Haplogroup R1b is also common in Turkic and Western European people. Haplogroup R1b is found at a higher frequency in especially Bashkirs in Ural-Volga region. This haplogroup is also found in other Turkic people at various frequencies.

Haplogroup R2: Karakalpaks 6,8% [3], Uzbeks 3,1% [9]

Haplogroup R2 is a more common haplogroup in Southern Asia; however, it is also observed in Central Asian Turkic people at various frequencies.

Haplogroup T: Uzbeks 1,5% [9]

Haplogroup T is sparsely populated in Southern Asia, Europe and Eastern Africa, but this haplogroup is also found in Central Asian Turkic people at lower frequencies.

This article might be updated with time, by adding new frequencies for Y-DNA haplogroups of Turkic people.
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Turkic Ftdna projects
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/OghuzTurks?iframe=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Turkic/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/turkey/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Anatolia/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Trabzon-Blacksea/default.aspx?section=ysnp

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/KBalkarDNA/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Azerbaijan/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/karakalpak/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/chuvashia/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/kazakhstan-dna/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/kirgiz/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Bashkortostan/default.aspx?section=yresults
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https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mongol/default.aspx?section=yresults
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Adyghe/default.aspx?section=yresults
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Hungarian_Magyar_Y-DNA_Project/default.aspx?section=yresults
http://j2-m172.info/2015/06/j2a2-ph3085-sk1403-ancient-altai-modern-uygur-turkish/
J2a2-PH3085,SK1403: Ancient Altai, modern Uygur and Turkish
he huge Allentoft et al. 2015 research with low-coverage genomes from 101 ancient humans from across Eurasia included two males from Altai Iron Age (900 BC to 1000 AD) in the same J2a2 haplogroup (see Altai archaeology). Even more intriguing is that the ancient genomes share unique Y-SNPs with two modern samples: one Uygur and one Turkish, currently best named as J2a2-PH3085,SK1403. Unfortunately only three J2a2 Y-sequences with good coverage are known, two of them at processed at YFull: J2a2-PF5050(xPF5058) HG01589 Punjabi and J2a2-M340 YF01485 Armenian. The third is likely a J2a2-Z35890,P279(xM340,Z28408) from Kuwait. So currently only the diversification of J2a2-PF5050 has a good estimate: 16200 ybp. As long as we have no good age estimates of J2a2-PF5056,PF4993 there will remain much speculation about the age, origin and migration of J2a2-PH3085,SK1403. Could be of classic J2a Fertile Crescent area origin including a migration to Altai/Uygur region with “back-migration” to modern Turkey or the opposite: an origin in Central Asia. Without better data I would however tend to assume the origin of J2a2-PH3085,SK1403 in the South or Eastern Caspian area with migrations to the East and the West.
http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html
Rise504 Rise 602 http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#4/47.40/92.72
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Rise 602 Kit Num: F999965
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_Altaic 20.84
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 18.04
3 South_Central_Asian 13.95
4 Tungus-Altaic 12.46
5 East_Siberian 12.30
6 European_Early_Farmers 6.70
7 Caucasian 4.82
8 Arctic 4.43
9 Amerindian 2.77
10 South_Indian 2.36


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bashkir @ 16.150564
2 Tatar-Siberian @ 17.450636
3 Udmurd @ 22.594164
4 Turkmen_Afghan @ 22.864012
5 Uzbek @ 24.861996
6 Chuvashs @ 25.666315
7 Mari @ 25.772064
8 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 25.947664
9 Hakas @ 26.752455
10 Karakalpak @ 26.882637
11 Uygur-Han @ 26.886364
12 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 27.156502
13 Kazahs @ 27.631035
14 Chuvash @ 27.916447
15 Tatar @ 28.263233
16 Uygur @ 28.557035
17 Hazara @ 29.517994
18 Crimean_Tatar_Step @ 30.008299
19 Kazakh @ 30.196646
20 Tatar-Kazan @ 31.514490

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas +50% Udmurd @ 13.452147

[sql]

Who are the Turkmens and when did they enter Anatolia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkification#Arrival_of_Turks_in_Anatolia

[sql]

I think all turks need to get tested to have a clearer picture

Yeah not many Turks have been DNA tested

[gültekin]

Who are the Turkmens and when did they enter Anatolia?
Original name is Oğuz (Oghuz) (Anatolian Turks, Türkmens Azerbaijanes Iraqi/Syrian Turkmens are Turks from Oğuz stock )
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[Dylan]

If I read the data correctly, then only 5-10% or so of the population are directly descended from the original Turkic invaders. The haplogroups N, L and Q were what the original Turks carried and only a small percentage of Turks today carry it.

They are all directly descended from the original Turkic invaders, however only 5-10% can claim that their father's father's etc. line stems from the invaders. However becasue they were invaders, a disproportionately large amount of Y-Haplogroups should be Turkic, so given these results, most turks are likely slightly less than 5-10% Turkic.

[Gooding]

Original name is Oğuz (Oghuz) (Anatolian Turks, Türkmens Azerbaijanes Iraqi/Syrian Turkmens are Turks from Oğuz stock )
http://s11.postimg.org/6ky1y13ab/THPHz7n.png

Fascinating! So, from the Oghuz came the people of all those countries! Like the Vikings of Northern Europe, it seems that the Turkic people certainly got around.. :)

[Imamudin]

During the 19th century and early 20th century, the Ottoman Empire was composed of ethnically diverse populations such as Persians, Arabs, Albanians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Muslim Bulgarians (Pomaks), Armenians, Kurds, Zazas, Circassians, Assyrians, Jews, and Laz people.

Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkification#Late_Ottoman_era)

Add a significant number of Balkan Slavs and Africans from Ottoman slave trade to it and you have how Turkic they are.

[gültekin]

They are all directly descended from the original Turkic invaders, however only 5-10% can claim that their father's father's etc. line stems from the invaders. However becasue they were invaders, a disproportionately large amount of Y-Haplogroups should be Turkic, so given these results, most turks are likely slightly less than 5-10% Turkic.
pls , i wont repead my self , read the post above about the Y-hablogroups of Turkic world before mention an ignorant opinion ....

[Pennywise]

Fascinating! So, from the Oghuz came the people of all those countries! Like the Vikings of Northern Europe, it seems that the Turkic people certainly got around.. :)

Vikings were just a bunch of looter pussy. Turkic people were the real warriors. They are overrated by the Holywood.

[Dylan]

pls , i wont repead my self , read the post above about the Y-hablogroups of Turkic world before mention an ignorant opinion ....

this was given in response to the facts stated by the OP, not by you.

[sql]

Fascinating! So, from the Oghuz came the people of all those countries! Like the Vikings of Northern Europe, it seems that the Turkic people certainly got around.. :)

Another parallel that Vikings and Turks have in common is a unique Runic script :)

Turkic:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Kyzyl_orkhon_inscription.jpg
http://www.transoxiana.org/Eran/Articles/Images/klyashtorny_Alatoo_1ris.jpg

Nordic:
http://oi62.tinypic.com/qste1i.jpg
http://wearewalkinginbeauty.org/Walking_in_Beauty/Norwegian_Rune_Poem_files/no-y-rune-hafstad.jpg

[Arhat]

J2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J2_(Y-DNA))=24% – J2 (M172)[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) Typical of west Mediterranean populations
R1b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA))=14.7%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) Widespread in western Eurasia, with distinct 'west Asian' and 'west European' lineages. The predominant haplogroup among Armenians.
G (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_G_(Y-DNA))=10.9%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of people from the Caucasus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus) and to a lesser extent the Middle East, southern parts of Central Asia, and Europe.
E3b-M35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA))=10.7%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) (E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 accounting for all E representatives in the sample, besides a single E3b2-M81 chromosome). E-M78 occurs commonly, and is found in northern and eastern Africa, western Asia[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-156) Haplogroup E-M123 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M123) is found in both Africa and Eurasia.
J1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA))=9%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula and Dagestan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan) (ranging from 3% from Turks around Konya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konya) to 12% in Kurds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds)).
R1a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a_(Y-DNA))=6.9%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Common in various Central Asian, North Indian, and Eastern European populations.
I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(Y-DNA))=5.3%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Common in Scandinavia, Sardinia, the Balkans, eastern Europe and among Kurds.
K (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K_(Y-DNA))=4.5%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
L (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L_(Y-DNA))=4.2%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Khorasan) populations. Found sporadically in the Middle East and the Caucasus.
N (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(Y-DNA))=3.8%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T_(Y-DNA))=2.5%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Northeast African and South Asian populations
Q (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_Q_(Y-DNA))=1.9%[141] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#cite_note-stanford-141) – Typical of Northern Altaic populations.


If I read the data correctly, then only 5-10% or so of the population are directly descended from the original Turkic invaders. The haplogroups N, L and Q were what the original Turks carried and only a small percentage of Turks today carry it.

Haplogroup L is not Turkic and Turks who carry it have probably some Persian or Caucasian ancestors. Q+N= 5,7%

[Böri]

If I read the data correctly, then only 5-10% or so of the population are directly descended from the original Turkic invaders. The haplogroups N, L and Q were what the original Turks carried and only a small percentage of Turks today carry it.

We are a lot more Turkic than Bulgarians are Bulgar or even Slavic, than Hungarians are Magyars, than Iranians are Aryans, than Levantines are Arabs, than Austrians are Germanic. The average Turk is 10% Mongoloid however Oghuz Turks who came here were already around 70% Caucasian if not more.

[King Niko]

As much as their little adorable hearts desire :*

[gültekin]

http://s22.postimg.org/o7eyphzrz/aydin.png
samples of dienekes and behar are not accurate cause they are only from a small area of east cappadocia and not representable for hole turkey, also outdated. the latest research is hodoglugil samples
mdlp k23b https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s98Ogv4ZPZyYaQ7WlER8_MgyCSliaAT459cAW99loMk/edit?pli=1#gid=1853398504
harappaworld https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l87nGSIYTP-h7m-VKjB-BZcuEoWdz765nU4f_krOdd4/edit#gid=0

[wvwvw]

Your genetic results show that you have all kinds of Greek admixture and you come up as 50% Greek. Embrace your Hellenic ancestry ;)

[Böri]

Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkification#Late_Ottoman_era)

Add a significant number of Balkan Slavs (Serbs, Bosniaks) and Africans to it and you have how Turkic they are.

Baboon, this is the list of ethnics living in Turkey. It's like we say Germans are Chechen-mixed because you live there as toilet cleaner.

[Instinct]

Your genetic results show that you have all kinds of Greek admixture and you come up as 50% Greek. Embrace your Hellenic ancestry ;)

I have no Greek admixture :rolleyes:

[gültekin]

Your genetic results show that you have all kinds of Greek admixture and you come up as 50% Greek. Embrace your Hellenic ancestry ;)
%43
My great grandmother was a Bithynian princess you peasant Yunanlı, kneel down

[wvwvw]

%43
My great grandmother was a Bithynian princess you peasant Yunanlı, kneel down

I don't see Bithynian admix, I see Greek :noidea:

[gültekin]

I don't see Bithynian admix, I see Greek :noidea:
http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/Assets/ProductImages/LITTLE_COOLER.jpg

[Instinct]

%43
My great grandmother was a Bithynian princess you peasant Yunanlı, kneel down

Do you score 43% of Greek-Anatolian ancestry because of great grandmother's ethnicity? I mean it's too little Greek ancestry to get this result isn't it?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Threads about Turkic origins of Anatolia(Moderen day Turkey), is like an episode of Maury... trying to find the father for little baby Turkey.

Often the results ends up being something of this calibre.....

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/degrassi/images/6/64/Not-the-father-gif-not-the-father.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130108021211

Central asia........ YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER

:lol00002::bounce:

Lulz....

[gültekin]

Do you score of Greek-Anatolian ancestry because of great grandmother's ethnicity? I mean it's too little Greek ancestry to get this result isn't it?
57% Oghuz 43% Anatolian native, i dont see any problem here. Asia fatherland, Anatolia motherland..

[wvwvw]

Do you score 43% of Greek-Anatolian ancestry because of great grandmother's ethnicity? I mean it's too little Greek ancestry to get this result isn't it?

He scores 50% of all kinds of Greek: Greek South, Greek North, Central Greek, Greek East, Azov Greek, Greek Cretan, Greek Cyprus, South Italian, East Sicilian, Tuscan :laugh:

[bortbort]

Turks are a mix of different Caucasian peoples.
I have no confidence in DNA tests and if you go to 10 different companies, you get 10 different results.
Turks run the range from very swarthy to Nordic, most are in-between.
Turkic like Semitic is a language/multi-cultural group, NOT A RACE.

[gültekin]

He scores 50% of all kinds of Greek: Greek South, Greek North, Central Greek, Greek East, Azov Greek, Greek Cretan, Greek Cyprus, South Italian, East Sicilian, Tuscan :laugh:
in first hand sicilians , heil sicelliot
and also search about azov greeks honey, they are frome Chrimia, and you dont get this. i get that with Chrimian Tatars cause they are close about admx.

[Böri]

He scores 50% of all kinds of Greek: Greek South, Greek North, Central Greek, Greek East, Azov Greek, Greek Cretan, Greek Cyprus, South Italian, East Sicilian, Tuscan :laugh:

This is result of mixed marriages involving Turks and Greeks (female side mostly) throughout history. In the mass psychology of Turks it isn't bothering to have a Greek grandmother. It becomes annoying when you cluster with another Orthodox group living more east, South-east...you know who. It's just unacceptable.

[gültekin]

Turks are a mix of different Caucasian peoples.
I have no confidence in DNA tests and if you go to 10 different companies, you get 10 different results.
Turks run the range from very swarthy to Nordic, most are in-between.
Turkic like Semitic is a language/multi-cultural group, NOT A RACE.
because they are turkics withs siberian and e.asian admix. and also adyge circassians have this admix. too.
so their is nothing to surprise

[bortbort]

I put no trust in DNA ancestry tests, take 10 and get ten different results.
Turks are a mix of Caucasian peoples, they run the range from swarthy to very fair, most are in-between.
Turkic like Semitic is a language/multi-cultural group, NOT A RACE.

[Instinct]

57% Oghuz 43% Anatolian native, i dont see any problem here. Asia fatherland, Anatolia motherland..

That's cool :)

[wvwvw]

in first hand sicilians , heil sicelliot
and also search about azov greeks honey, they are frome Chrimia, and you dont get this. i get that with Chrimian Tatars cause they are close about admx.

They are Greeks mixed with Tatars and Ukrainians, there used to be large communities in Odessa, Crimea and all over the black sea.

http://en.sae.gr/files/img/2608.jpg
The man with the jean Adonis Georgiadis is a Greek mp

[Instinct]

He scores 50% of all kinds of Greek: Greek South, Greek North, Central Greek, Greek East, Azov Greek, Greek Cretan, Greek Cyprus, South Italian, East Sicilian, Tuscan :laugh:

:D It's good to be mixed.

[gültekin]

They are Greeks mixed with Tatars and Ukrainians, there used to be large communities in Odessa, Crimea and all over the black sea.

http://en.sae.gr/files/img/2608.jpg
The man with the jean Adonis Georgiadis is a Greek mp
post your MDLP World Oracle, and lets see if they are close to you :heh: azov is basicaly tatars, they are also speak and singing in tatar language lol

[wvwvw]

post your MDLP World Oracle, and lets see if they are close to you :heh: azov is basicaly tatars, they are also speak and singing in tatar language lol

They don't show up in my results as their East Asian pulls them away from where I cluster, I'm not not sure where they cluster

[gültekin]

They don't show up in my results as their East Asian pulls them away from where I cluster, I'm not not sure where they cluster
to Tatars :rolleyes:

[Instinct]

This is result of mixed marriages involving Turks and Greeks (female side mostly) throughout history. In the mass psychology of Turks it isn't bothering to have a Greek grandmother. It becomes annoying when you cluster with another Orthodox group living more east, South-east...you know who. It's just unacceptable.

You make me laugh again, idiot fool.

[Böri]

... . .

[Afshar]

Haplogroup L is not Turkic and Turks who carry it have probably some Persian or Caucasian ancestors. Q+N= 5,7%

Define Persian or Caucasian ancestor

[gültekin]

That's cool :)
however after all this jokes, no, i don't have autosomal Greek relatives, matches. they are all west euros and some finns.
http://s4.postimg.org/crm7sickt/aydin_1.png
my ftdna match box is also empty :(
http://s24.postimg.org/713ettecl/empty.png

[Instinct]

however after all this jokes, no, i don't have autosomal Greek relatives, matches. they are all west euros and some finns.

[IMG]

Very interesting results.

Did you do the test only on FTDNA? but you seriously have Greek admixture? I mean it's like I do remember there was a discussion about the Greek admixture. If yes, is it because of your Greek grandmother that you got the Greek admixture results?

[gültekin]

Very interesting results.

Did you do the test only on FTDNA? but you seriously have Greek admixture? I mean it's like I do remember there was a discussion about the Greek admixture. If yes, is it because of your Greek grandmother that you got the Greek admixture results?
if i had , i should have greek matches,but i dont. yes this is something what i can't explaine.
this greek grandma thing was a joke, i have never heard about an greek ancestor , maybe they were celts who knows?
btw this Tan1007 guy is an mestizo, half amerindian half spanic

[Instinct]

if i had , i should have greek matches,but i dont. yes this is something what i can't explaine.
this greek grandma thing was a joke, i have never heard about an greek ancestor , maybe they were celts who knows?
btw this Tan1007 guy is an mestizo, half amerindian half spanic

I understand. LOL, I thought you have a bit of Greek ancestry. Maybe Celts or even some Germanic tribes who immigrated to Anatolia thousands years ago. It's quite interesting, I don't think there is a match because of Amerindian origin? I think the match is because of Spanish/ Hispanic roots because you match whole different West Euro too.

[gültekin]

I understand. LOL, I thought you have a bit of Greek ancestry. Maybe Celts or even some Germanic tribes who immigrated to Anatolia thousands years ago. It's quite interesting, I don't think there is a match because of Amerindian origin? I think the match is because of Spanish/ Hispanic roots because you match whole different West Euro too.
the rest shows germanic in calculators,germans dutch britts etc. except the finns. no spanish neither french. that because its must be about amerindian origin.

[Instinct]

the rest shows germanic in calculators,germans dutch britts etc. except the finns. no spanish neither french. that because its must be about amerindian origin.

I see.

It seems like that probably. There would be a few Spanish, French matches at least. Your personal results may lead to make a bit stronger claim about the Turkic-Amerindian genetics.

[Böri]

You make me laugh again, idiot fool.

Why did you even feel concerned, paranoid hewal? Go stick to someone else baboon. I have no time to lose with e-psychos.

[Instinct]

... . .

Why did you delete it after you get 4 thumbs down? You're a funny fool. What was your purpose to share that from Armenian news? Also, wash your dirty mouth and don't talk about the silly claims about that Armenians are Christian Kurds, etc.

Armenians are not exists in Anatolia since 1915. You still couldn't understand this truth with your low IQ.

[gültekin]

I see.

It seems like that probably. There would be a few Spanish, French matches at least. Your personal results may lead to make a bit stronger claim about the Turkic-Amerindian genetics.
i score a good portion of ANE and my amerindian admx. is even higher then the Chinese member of TA lol

[Instinct]

Why did you even feel concerned, paranoid hewal? Go stick to someone else baboon. I have no time to lose with e-psychos.

You're yourself a paranoid moron. You dumbass coward, deleted the news you sent after -4 haha. You're unwanted on the Apricity, you're an unwanted fool. Don't get mad that you're such an ezik.

[Instinct]

i score a good portion of ANE and my amerindian admx. is even higher then the Chinese member of TA lol

It's quiet interesting seriously. The results proof the connection between the Oghuz Turks and Anatolians in present day.

[Böri]

Why did you delete it after you get 4 thumbs down? You're a funny fool. What was your purpose to share that from Armenian news? Also, wash your dirty mouth and don't talk about the silly claims about that Armenians are Christian Kurds, etc.

Armenians are not exists in Anatolia since 1915. You still couldn't understand this truth with your low IQ.

Your English is perfect by the way. It was off topic maybe it deserves a thread, it's why. I didn't say Armenians, I referred to an unknown folk from East. Why did you think it's Armenians and even if it's them, why are you offended? It's precisely the very reason why you are a complexed baboon. Go stick to someone else psychopath, you feel targeted by my interactions with Raine.

[gültekin]

It's quiet interesting seriously. The results proof the connection between the Oghuz Turks and Anatolians in present day.
hodoglugil samples is better such, aydin balikesir istanbul results etc. giresun/ordu (members of oghuz project of ftdna )scores also high like aydın(west turkey) and aydın score higher siberian then turkmen average lol .my is lesser then them

[gültekin]

... stop this offtopic and deal somewhere else ,pls

[Instinct]

Your English is perfect by the way. It was off topic maybe it deserves a thread, it's why. I didn't say Armenians, I referred to an unknown folk from East. Why did you think it's Armenians and even if it's them, why are you offended? It's precisely the very reason why you are a complexed baboon. Go stick to someone else psychopath, you feel targeted by my interactions with Raine.

You moron piece of shit, of course it is perfect. You got -4 thumbs down and deleted it because you already could imagine with your low IQ brain that you'll get more thumbs down.

You scum, you mentioned about the Orthodox group in the Eastern region, fool yourself piece of shit. You're a deformed dog, you're a descendant from baboons breeding with dogs.

[Instinct]

hodoglugil samples is better such, aydin balikesir istanbul results etc. giresun/ordu (members of oghuz project of ftdna )scores also high like aydın(west turkey) and aydın score higher siberian then turkmen average lol .my is lesser then them

I guess that's why my most Turkic looking friends are origin of Aydin :-)

[Böri]

hodoglugil samples is better such, aydin balikesir istanbul results etc. giresun/ordu (members of oghuz project of ftdna )scores also high like aydın(west turkey) and aydın score higher siberian then turkmen average lol .my is lesser then them

Of course we do and we are closely related to Aegean Turks.

[gültekin]

I guess that's why my most Turkic looking friends are origin of Aydin :-)
Türkü Turan is also from near Aydın, from muğla :=)
http://img04.imgsinemalar.com/images/artist_buyuk/256973/Turku-Turan-0.jpg

[Arhat]

Define Persian or Caucasian ancestor

Haplogroup L is today primarily found in Khorasan/South Central Asia and in South Asia. It is also very frequent among Romani people. There was indeed a significant migration of Persians into Anatolia especially during the Mongol invasion when many Central Asian Persians/Tajiks tried to escape Mongols and moved west. Rumi was one of them for example. Haplogroup L in Anatolia has probably several sources and some of then could even be pre-historical but it certainly had nothing to do with original Turks.

[gültekin]

Of course we do and we are closely related to Aegean Turks.
sorry that i ruined your Pontus OWD dreams...

[Böri]

...

Wholly I got 70% of all my thumbs down by two Kıros: you and Zoran's fake accounts. Let's say it was Armenians I referred to, but why a self-declared Alevi Turkmen would be bothered by this? It's the last time I warn you; I never care about what you write or how you identify, you just need to ignore me and stop expecting I will identify with you Tunceli region people. Do you Understand psychopathic, backward life form?

[Böri]

sorry that i ruined your Pontus OWD dreams...

I appear Pontic Greek not because I am one if it's what you mean, but because Irano-Armenian friends called me several times 'Greek convert'. I didn't oppose agressively, it would be insulting Greeks by pressure of people who are less civilized than them...

[Instinct]

Wholly I got 70% of all my thumbs down by two Kıros: you and Zoran's fake accounts. Let's say it was Armenians I referred to, but why a self-declared Alevi Turkmen would be bothered by this? It's the last time I warn you; I never care about what you write or how you identify, you just need to ignore me and stop expecting I will identify with you Tunceli region people. Understand psychopathic, backward life form?

You get thumbs down by several members here it's because you're an unwanted fool. You idiot, you even don't remember what you wrote. You get thumbs down even by the moderators. Self-declared? What dog are you to claim such a statement like that haha.

You warn me? Haha, warn your hairy ass. I won't ignore you as long as you stop barking about Eastern Turks.

Kneel down in front of the respectful people of Tunceli, you inferior moron.


This is result of mixed marriages involving Turks and Greeks (female side mostly) throughout history. In the mass psychology of Turks it isn't bothering to have a Greek grandmother. It becomes annoying when you cluster with another Orthodox group living more east, South-east...you know who. It's just unacceptable.

[Charles Bronson]

Wholly I got 70% of all my thumbs down by two Kıros: you and Zoran's fake accounts. Let's say it was Armenians I referred to, but why a self-declared Alevi Turkmen would be bothered by this? It's the last time I warn you; I never care about what you write or how you identify, you just need to ignore me and stop expecting I will identify with you Tunceli region people. Do you Understand psychopathic, backward life form?


:rolleyes:

[Instinct]

I appear Pontic Greek not because I am one if it's what you mean, but because Irano-Armenian friends called me several times 'Greek convert'. I didn't oppose agressively, it would be insulting Greeks by pressure of people who are less civilized than them...

You're a piece of shit. We can't even discuss on the forum because of your inferior barkings against the Turkish members: All-In, Infinite, Harlekin, Me, True Ancestor.

You're a small dog but you make too much trouble. You bark at Eastern people since you come to this forum. Keep your anti-Eastern Turk or anti-Armenian madness for your doggy friends.

[DarknessWin]

Vikings were just a bunch of looter pussy. Turkic people were the real warriors. They are overrated by the Holywood.

Turks and Mongols were the biggerst bunch of looter pussy ever. Vikings fought face to face with swords and axes while Mongoloids fought only in the horses with bows from far away,
their tactic was the gay hit and run. Hit with the bow and run, great warriors LOL

[DarknessWin]

Modern turks are a bunch of greeks,slavs and some persians. Only a small 5-10% are true mongoloids.

Their best soldiers were yannisaries (stolen greek childs ,propably J2)
Even their best hero Mehmed the Conqueror had Greek mother,
Erdogan is also from pontian family Greek

fake country

[jackrussell]

Modern turks are a bunch of greeks,slavs and some persians. Only a small 5-10% are true mongoloids.

Their best soldiers were yannisaries (stolen greek childs ,propably J2)
Even their best hero Mehmed the Conqueror had Greek mother,
Erdogan is also from pontian family Greek

fake country

With all due respect , you are acting too dumb.


The Dream of Maxen


Maxen was the emperor of Rome, possibly related to the historical Maxentius, reign AD 306-312.

Maxen decided to go on a hunting trip, until at noon, when he grew tired and decided to sleep. In his dream, he travelled on a boat, through rivers and sea, until he arrived in Britain. There he saw a castle, which he entered, and saw two young men playing a board game, while a white-haired man carving golden chess-pieces for the board game called gwyddbwyll. Maxen also saw the most beautiful maiden he had ever seen, sitting on a golden chair.

Maxen became depressed the moment he woke up. He had fallen in love with the girl he saw in his dream. After awhile, his chamberlain became concern for his emperor's well being, and discovered that Maxen was suffering from longing and desire for the girl in his dream. The chamberlain and his advisers suggested that they would try to find the girl for their emperor.

For a whole year they tried to find the girl without success, so they asked the emperor where the dream began. The emperor took his followers to a riverbank of where the dream began. His followers followed the river until they came to a ship. Seeing that Maxen's dream was true, they boarded the ship, and sailed along the river, then out to the sea. They came to Britain, where they discovered the castle in Maxen's dream. They found the man carving gwyddbwyll pieces and the woman whom they had been searching for.

Maxen's followers greeted the maiden by hailing her empress of Rome. The girl thought they were mocking her, until they her of their emperor's dream. She agreed to only marry Maxen if he came to her.

Maxen arrived to find the girl of his dream. The maiden was named Elen, daughter of Eudav. Her brothers were Kynan and Avaon, who were playing gwyddbwyll. Elen agreed to the marriage if Maxen would give her father the Birtish Isles to rule. She also wanted three strongholds in Britain – Arvon, Caer Llion (Caerleon on Usk) and Caer Vryddin (Carmarthen).

Maxen spent seven years living in Britain, when a pretender took Rome, and proclaimed himself as Emperor of Rome. Maxen decided to reclaim his throne in Rome, and set out with a small British force. Maxen lay siege to Rome, but experienced difficulty in capturing the Roman capital.

Elen's brothers devised a plan to capture Rome. They constructed a siege ladder to scale the wall, while the new emperor was having his midday meal. Kynan and Avaon killed the new emperor, and Rome surrendering to Maxen after three days of heavy fighting in the city.

Maxen rewarded Elen's brothers with command of the army. They conquered Brittany, killing all the men, while they cut off all the women's tongues, to prevent contamination of the British language. The people of Brittany became known as Bryttanyeid.

[Lelex]

100 % Turkic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Turkey


Minorities in Turkey form a substantial part of the country's population, with at least an estimated 30% of the populace belonging to an ethnic minority.

:p

[Corporate_Demolisher]

Turks are the least Turkic compared to the others (Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Turkmens), they've kind of merged into their own thing. Language of course remains, culturally they are a split between MENA and Europe.

[Pater Patota]

HG J2 originally is not Turkic, because j2 y-dna(paternal lineage) is native to West Asia(Anatolia, West Iran, Georgia, Armenia, Mesopotamia, Caspian).J2 hg in Central Asians show Western Iranic expansion in Central Asia.