Martial Arts Thread

[YggsVinr]

Hopefully this is the right section for this, wasn't sure precisely where it would fit in as there is no sports/recreation section that I can see.

The purpose of this thread will be the discussion of martial arts, whether it be your own practices, or the discussion of past or upcoming martial arts events (UFC, Affliction, K-1, PRIDE (R.I.P.) or what have you), or pretty much anything martial arts related.

Since I don't appear to be the only GSP fan around here I suppose it wouldn't be too outlandish to bring up the topic of UFC 94 with GSP vs. B.J. Penn as the main event coming up next Saturday :thumb001: I'm pretty excited about this event, it feels like so long since GSP's last fight and I'm thinking he won't disappoint come the 31st. While B.J.'s certainly a skilled fighter he's pretty one dimensional when compared with GSP. One of the main differences between these two is that GSP actually has the strength and skill to take this fight wherever he wants it and B.J. will have to adapt. B.J.'ll definitely be a slippery opponent once taken to the ground since the guy's got the flexibility of a rubber band and very skilled in BJJ by all means, but I'm really curious to see how he'll to pan out against the new and improved GSP. Seriously, every time GSP comes out for a new fight he's more diverse, stronger, and tireless, a totally new fighter than in the last fight. The guy's physical conditioning is simply amazing, and with every match you see him grow in his ability to overpower any other fighter in the welterweight division. Honestly, he is the model of what a mixed martial artist should be, while many fighters like B.J. are stuck focusing the majority of their energy on one element.

Coming from a JKD background I find that MMA today (at least in the UFC) has strayed from its original purpose of diversity in fighting style. In Jeet we were always taught to learn and experience as many martial arts as possible, and that contributes to a fighter's skill, adaptability, and unpredictability, and its that element that really contributes to GSP's success. His technique is great both on and off the ground in at least five different styles, and he does not substitute technique for physical conditioning or viceversa. As far as I'm concerned this guy is the ideal mixed martial artist and that is why I'm fairly confident he'll be feeding B.J. back his own words.

Besides that match, I'm also looking forward to the Machida/Silva match. Machida's one of those guys that seems to piss the average UFC fan off due to his inability to "entertain", but I find it fascinating watching the guy. Also looking forward to the Parisyan match and the Nate Diaz/Guida match, and Fitch/Gono, Gamburyan/Tavares match on the undercard.

Considering this post has turned out far longer than I meant it to be, I'll leave tomorrows Fedor/Arlovski fight to another time. All I can say is I can't wait to see Fedor in action again, likely beating Arlovski (no disrespect to Arlovski though, that's for sure), and pissing Dana White off more :cool:

[Vargtand]

Hmm, well as for martial arts I've done 3 things. Judo, Kung-fu and 15th century long sword fencing, the one I enjoyed the most was the later which I hope to be picking up again..

Well in the army we learned a bit of krav maga was extremely boring though :P


I also learned to shoot quite well both Assault rifle and Machinegun, this I think is as close you can come to proper martial art in this day and age :p

[Ulf]

I've no formal training, but I've looked up and practiced some basic self-defense techniques with my friends. Nothing serious or involved, just basics, how to take a gun from someone, how to defend against a knife.

I hope GSP wins. I cannot stand BJ. I also hope Arlovski wins just so everyone can stop calling Fedor god. I do like Fedor, but it's a bit ridiculous..

[Psychonaut]

This guy right here loves GSP, for obvious reasons. :D

He's going to destroy that Hawaiian retard and it's going to be beautiful violence. I'm also really excited about the fight between GSP and Anderson Silva that Dana announced. They're probably the two best strikers in the UFC and it'll be great to see who comes out on top.

As far as practice goes, I studied and taught Toas Kung Fu for eight years. It's a Persian style of martial arts that focuses on mid-range fighting and uses Savate-like push kicks. We also studies a wide variety of weapons and did tons of body hardening exercises.

Once I joined the Army, three and a half years ago, I started learning their Combatives style of martial arts, which is a blend of BJJ, Muay Thai, Judo, Boxing and Wrestling. I got certified to teach this last years and have been a Company level trainer since then. I really don't care for the Army's stand up techniques, since they mainly focus on staying at the long-range and closing, similar to Boxing. But, I am very grateful that I've ben able to learn grappling and takedowns, which was something we didn't focus on at the Kung Fu Academy.

[SuuT]

Their is simply no comparision between Penn and GSP. Look for GSP to dominate on the ground (as he always does); or, even to leave the fight to a stand-up. - it doesn't really matter, as GSP is so fluid (indeed an exemplar of philosophical Jeet Koon Do) that he will adapt as the fight proceeds. Penn is far more 'geometric' in both his fighting style, and his application; although he can appear to the untrained eye as non-formulaic.



Sheer dominance will be the name of the game.




The fight between AS and GSP will, however, be GSP's first, and real, test of his fluidity: Silva is equally fluid; and is utterly un-intimidated. The intimidation factor is something GSP still battles with as a young man (cf. his first fight with Huges).

[YggsVinr]

Just finished watching the Fedor/Arlovski fight on onepunchko and all I can say is: wow. Fedor has done it again, and the victory shows the success his calm demeanor continues to bring him. Arlovski was successful sticking to the leg kicks and probably should have stuck to them instead of throwing that flying knee in the corner. If he'd continued with the leg kicks the outcome looked like it may have been different. Then again, the speed of that "offending" right punch and the left hook that followed were evidence that perhaps Arlovski's apparent speed advantage throughout the first was not exactly as it seemed.

Ulf, I understand what you say about people viewing Fedor as some kind of god, but the good thing about Fedor is he doesn't appear to let that get to his head or influence his composure or behaviour, unlike other fighters (thinking of guys like Lesnar who have barely had a handful of MMA bouts and who everyone believe to be undefeatable, and who's behaviour in the octagon following a victory suggests they think no less of themselves).

Since everyone else has put in their martial arts experiences: I started with about three years of Hapkido at 11 years old (strictly a kids club so quite easy to make one's way through the belt system). I also practiced medieval martial arts (comprised of longsword, dagger, and stand-up grappling) for four years and JKD for six (Inosanto school). Last year I took up capoeira (Axe) for a time. Really improved my flexibility, endurance, power, and control with credit to my crazy Russian trainer who (upon finding this out) pushed me all the harder. Right now with my last semester of undergrad I'm unable to practice much of anything beyond occasionally visiting the university's combat room, but hopefully next year I'll be able to start back up with JKD.

[YggsVinr]

Anyone else see the fight last night? The two main events pretty much made my night. I'm really happy that GSP got the win, although I wish it'd been an actual KO rather than TKO. Still a fun fight to watch for sure, and it should be obvious to the world now that BJ is no match for Georges, and I don't think Alves (btw, keep hearing rumours that Alves got caught juicing...yet can't seem to get it confirmed? I know he was caught in 07 but recently? I really don't understand why mma fighters would even want to juice since it doesn't exactly enhance performance in mma) will be either.

Post-Fight Interview with GSP:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_2KBoXmz454

The Machida fight was also pretty awesome, talk about timing! I don't think I've ever seen a KO quite like that right at 4:59! Seriously, I know Machida isn't an "entertaining fighter" to the average UFC fan that doesn't care about the art itself but just wants action, but for crying out loud give the guy a title shot. And if knocking out Thiago Silva at 4:59 of the first round isn't entertaining I don't know what is (granted this fight was a lot faster paced than a typical Machida fight) ;)

Thoughts?

[Revenant]

I really don't understand why mma fighters would even want to juice since it doesn't exactly enhance performance in mma.


They ban them for a reason and it aint the side effects.;)

[YggsVinr]

They ban them for a reason and it aint the side effects.;)

What I meant is that in MMA steroids can be a hindrance rather than helpful. If you're trying to make weight and cutting, steroids, creatine and similar substances will cause you to retain water when most fighters are dehydrating themselves to all hell before the weigh-ins. Not to mention that the kind of muscle/bulk steroids as does not necessarily give a fighter an upper edge, slow you down, hinder flexibility, agility and so on. I can see it in other sports, but it doesn't seem to make sense in MMA. Then again, I'm no expert, so who knows, maybe I'm missing something here.

[Revenant]

What I meant is that in MMA steroids can be a hindrance rather than helpful. If you're trying to make weight and cutting, steroids, creatine and similar substances will cause you to retain water when most fighters are dehydrating themselves to all hell before the weigh-ins.

There are ways of getting rid of excess water, diuretics, although they may be tested for those too, the trainers would be on top of that anyway.


Not to mention that the kind of muscle/bulk steroids as does not necessarily give a fighter an upper edge, slow you down, hinder flexibility, agility and so on. I can see it in other sports, but it doesn't seem to make sense in MMA. Then again, I'm no expert, so who knows, maybe I'm missing something here.

Yes, you don't immediately take roids and puff up, presto, Arnie. That obviously isn't practical here. They would be taken specifically for this application, even blood doping which isn't actually roids would also give a edge in stamina and recovery. They would be the main aims and obviously affect the outcome.

If you have two fighters that are on par in every other way and one takes performance enhancing substance he will have the edge over the other, it's fairly simple.

[YggsVinr]

There are ways of getting rid of excess water, diuretics, although they may be tested for those too, the trainers would be on top of that anyway.

Yes, you don't immediately take roids and puff up, presto, Arnie. That obviously isn't pratical here. They would be taken specifically for this application, even blood doping which isn't actually roids would also give a edge in stamina and recovery.


Ah, ok. I didn't know this. Thank you :)

[Ulf]

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Gods, that first gif never gets old!

Also, I'm happy as hell for Machida, I want to see him fight Rashad.

[Psychonaut]

Gods, that first gif never gets old!


Talk about a one sided victory! I mean...seriously...a superman punch!?

[YggsVinr]

Haha, yeah, GSP is king of the superman punch. I'm honestly interested in hearing a post-fight interview with Penn, though. For all his talk about GSP supposedly being a "quitter" because of the first Serra fight, BJ's heart was obviously out of the fight by the end of the first round.

[Ulf]

Supposedly BJ is filing a complaint with the Nevada State Athletic Commission, accusing GSP of greasing his back, which would make BJ's rubber guard a little hard to do. :shrug:

[YggsVinr]

Are you serious? That's bloody low even for BJ. Hopefully nothing will come of it. The guy really needs to learn the meaning of the word "honour", all he ever does is make excuses.

[Ulf]

I don't know it looked a little shady on the cornerman's part, if it did happen I do not think GSP was even aware. I don't like his weird Arab-looking trainer. I watch the UFC primetime episodes and just couldn't bring myself to like him... Plus him (the arab) and BJ were exchanging a lot of words prior to the fight and I wouldn't put it past that guy to try something...

All respect to GSP, and I don't think it made any difference because GSP was beating BJ everywhere, just a little shady... :shrug:

[YggsVinr]

Seems I spoke too quickly, then. Just went to mmascraps and saw something posted about it, and apparently Dana has confirmed that one of the commission guys went and knocked the vaseline away from the cornerman between the first and second rounds. Their reasoning as to how it happened does seem a little sketchy, apparently there was some vaseline "left over" on the cornerman's fingers when he was applying it to GSP's eyebrows and immediately after started rubbing GSP's shoulders. Sketchy, indeed, but evidently didn't have an impact on the outcome.

[Ulf]

BJ complained about not being able to close his rubber guard. It's hard to close a rubber guard when GSP is crushing your face into the mat. :shrug:

[Spencer]

[QUOTE=Psychonaut;11716]
I'm also really excited about the fight between GSP and Anderson Silva that Dana announced. They're probably the two best strikers in the UFC and it'll be great to see who comes out on top.

Oh man I had no Idea they were going to fight! Do you know when and what weight class?

[YggsVinr]

[QUOTE=Psychonaut;11716]
I'm also really excited about the fight between GSP and Anderson Silva that Dana announced. They're probably the two best strikers in the UFC and it'll be great to see who comes out on top.

Oh man I had no Idea they were going to fight! Do you know when and what weight class?

Well, Dana's said that first GSP will have to fight Alves and then GSP will try to move up to middleweight to take on Anderson Silva. No date's been confirmed since there's still the Alves fight to go, but likely some time in 2010 I can imagine.