Sikeliot's Dodecad World9 Oracle... VERY interesting! Part "Hispanic Caribbean" coming up!

[Sikeliot]

Mixing together my Portuguese, Sicilian and Polish comes out "North Italian" (this usually happens) but here we see some of the results come up like I have a remainder of Hispanic Caribbean! I suspect this is my Cape Verdean side showing up, though the Dominican reference population is mulatto, as such I come up 3% Dominican instead of 6% (which, if the Dominicans sampled were closer to the 20-25% African range, my entire Cape Verdean side would be proxied here as "Dominican")!

I also come up part North African, Ethiopian, or in one instance, Sandawe (a SE African group).


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.9% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 2.1% Ethiopian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.68
2 97.9% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 2.1% Ethiopians (Behar) @ 0.68
3 98% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 2% Somali (Dodecad) @ 0.7
4 97% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 3% Moroccans (Behar) @ 0.76
5 66.5% French (Dodecad) + 33.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 0.8
6 97% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 3% Mozabite @ 0.81
7 84.4% Spaniards (Behar) + 15.6% Georgians (Behar) @ 0.85
8 80.1% French (HGDP) + 19.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 0.86
9 95.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 4.2% Puerto_Rican @ 0.87
10 77.2% Cantabria (1000 Genomes) + 22.8% Armenians (Behar) @ 0.87
11 82.4% Spanish (Dodecad) + 17.6% Georgians (Behar) @ 0.87
12 67% French (HGDP) + 33% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 0.88
13 98.5% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 1.5% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 0.89
14 85.1% Spaniards (Behar) + 14.9% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.9
15 85.8% Andalucia (1000 Genomes) + 14.2% Lezgins (Behar) @ 0.93
16 98.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 1.4% Sandawe_He @ 0.93
17 83.2% Spanish (Dodecad) + 16.8% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.95
18 94.5% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 5.5% PUR30 @ 0.96
19 67.1% French (Dodecad) + 32.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 0.97
20 97.4% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 2.6% Dominican @ 0.98

[Longbowman]

You must be pleased :D

This one always amused me:

1 98.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 1.8% EastGreenland @ 0.75
2 97.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 2.1% WestGreenland @ 0.82
3 97.5% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 2.5% WestGreenland @ 0.84
4 95.9% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 4.1% CLM30 @ 0.85
5 65.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 34.7% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 0.85
6 98.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 1.6% Chukchi @ 0.9
7 95.2% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 4.8% PUR30 @ 0.91
8 98.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 1.5% Athabask @ 0.91
9 71.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 28.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.94
10 96.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 3.3% Colombian @ 0.94
11 85.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 14.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 0.95
12 85.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 14.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.98
13 96.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 3.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 0.98
14 98.1% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 1.9% EastGreenland @ 1
15 98.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 1.5% Koryak @ 1.01
16 72.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 27.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.01
17 94.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 5.2% Turks (Behar) @ 1.02
18 84.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 15.6% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.03
19 96.9% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 3.1% Aleut @ 1.04
20 97.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 2.5% Colombian @ 1.04

Khazar strooooooonk.

[Sikeliot]

1 98.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 1.8% EastGreenland @ 0.75
2 97.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 2.1% WestGreenland @ 0.82
3 97.5% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 2.5% WestGreenland @ 0.84
4 95.9% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 4.1% CLM30 @ 0.85
5 65.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 34.7% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 0.85
6 98.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 1.6% Chukchi @ 0.9
7 95.2% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 4.8% PUR30 @ 0.91
8 98.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 1.5% Athabask @ 0.91
9 71.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 28.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.94
10 96.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 3.3% Colombian @ 0.94
11 85.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 14.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 0.95
12 85.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 14.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.98
13 96.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 3.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 0.98
14 98.1% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 1.9% EastGreenland @ 1
15 98.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 1.5% Koryak @ 1.01
16 72.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 27.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.01
17 94.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 5.2% Turks (Behar) @ 1.02
18 84.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 15.6% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.03
19 96.9% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 3.1% Aleut @ 1.04
20 97.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 2.5% Colombian @ 1.04

Khazar strooooooonk.


You share ancestry with indigenous South Americans, at least in small part... which reaffirms the Asian affinity of Amerindians. What is your component breakdown in this run?

[Longbowman]

You share ancestry with indigenous South Americans, at least in small part... which reaffirms the Asian affinity of Amerindians. What is your component breakdown in this run?

Not that that was in doubt! But I always score more Siberian/Amerindian than East Asian, which makes sense.


Australasian -
37.27% Southern
34.88% Atlantic_Baltic
24.71% Caucasus_Gedrosia
1.24% African
0.83% Amerindian
0.77% Siberian
0.29% East_Asian

If I were American I'd be claiming muh Cherokee princess.

[Sikeliot]

If I were American I'd be claiming muh Cherokee princess.

What was funny is my mother used to claim we were part Hawaiian (not sure why) because my brother and grandmother have (in their view) "Asian looking" eyes, and to explain away exotic looking relatives. I thought this was similar to many white Americans claiming Cherokee when they really should be claiming Mama Africa.

But you can rightfully claim Turkic ancestry in all likelihood. Hence the Siberian/Amerindian-like affinity, not East Asian proper.

[Longbowman]

What was funny is my mother used to claim we were part Hawaiian (not sure why) because my brother and grandmother have (in their view) "Asian looking" eyes, and to explain away exotic looking relatives. I thought this was similar to many white Americans claiming Cherokee when they really should be claiming Mama Africa.

But you can rightfully claim Turkic ancestry in all likelihood. Hence the Siberian/Amerindian-like affinity, not East Asian proper.

Yeah, so can all Easterners/part Easterners, mine's just a little higher than what I'd have expected.

English blood is quite weak in my immediate family but an uncle is 1/4, and my grandmother was like 'you can tell because [his eldest child] is ginger,' and I was like 'Granny ginger hair is ubiquitous amongst Ashkenazis also' (this cousin would be around 5/8 AJ).

[Grace O'Malley]

I find alot of these calculators quite inaccurate because they place Irish way down on the list and I've not found anyone in my family who wasn't Irish yet. I've traced most sides back to the late 1700s.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 74.81
2 Caucasus_Gedrosia 12.2
3 Southern 11.16
4 Amerindian 1.17
5 South_Asian 0.45
6 Siberian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 0.87
2 Dutch (Dodecad) 1.34
3 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 1.52
4 Kent (1000 Genomes) 1.98
5 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 2.12
6 British (Dodecad) 2.14
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 2.37
8 British_Isles (Dodecad) 2.74
9 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 2.75
10 Irish (Dodecad) 2.97
11 Orcadian (HGDP) 3.22
12 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 3.72
13 Polish (Dodecad) 5.05
14 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 5.41
15 Hungarians (Behar) 6.97
16 Belorussian (Behar) 7.01
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 7.36
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 7.69
19 French (HGDP) 8.66
20 Russian_B (Behar) 8.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.5% German (Dodecad) + 0.5% Karitiana @ 0.6
2 99.5% German (Dodecad) + 0.5% Surui @ 0.6
3 99.5% German (Dodecad) + 0.5% Colombians @ 0.6
4 99.5% German (Dodecad) + 0.5% Pima @ 0.61
5 99.5% German (Dodecad) + 0.5% Maya @ 0.61
6 99.4% German (Dodecad) + 0.6% PEL30 @ 0.63
7 99.2% German (Dodecad) + 0.8% Ecuadorian @ 0.68
8 96.1% Irish (Dodecad) + 3.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.69
9 95.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 4.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.69
10 95.5% Irish (Dodecad) + 4.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.69
11 99.4% German (Dodecad) + 0.6% Athabask @ 0.7
12 99.2% German (Dodecad) + 0.8% MEX30 @ 0.7
13 89.2% Irish (Dodecad) + 10.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.7
14 96.5% Irish (Dodecad) + 3.5% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.71
15 96.1% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.9% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.71
16 93.3% Irish (Dodecad) + 6.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 0.72
17 95.9% Orcadian (HGDP) + 4.1% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.72
18 96% Irish (Dodecad) + 4% Lebanese (Behar) @ 0.72
19 96.1% Orcadian (HGDP) + 3.9% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.73
20 88.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 11.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.73

Here is my daughter's

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 75.38
2 Southern 11.9
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 10.75
4 Amerindian 0.96
5 South_Asian 0.76
6 Siberian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 0.81
2 Kent (1000 Genomes) 0.9
3 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 1.03
4 British (Dodecad) 1.17
5 German (Dodecad) 1.56
6 British_Isles (Dodecad) 1.71
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 1.93
8 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 2.31
9 Irish (Dodecad) 2.87
10 Orcadian (HGDP) 2.92
11 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 3.15
12 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 3.24
13 Polish (Dodecad) 5.77
14 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 6.73
15 Norwegian (Dodecad) 7.1
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 7.62
17 Belorussian (Behar) 7.7
18 Hungarians (Behar) 7.71
19 French (HGDP) 8.28
20 French (Dodecad) 8.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.2% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 0.8% Athabask @ 0.37
2 99.4% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 0.6% Pima @ 0.38
3 99.4% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 0.6% Karitiana @ 0.38
4 99.4% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 0.6% Surui @ 0.38
5 99.4% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 0.6% Colombians @ 0.38
6 99.4% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 0.6% Maya @ 0.38
7 99.3% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 0.7% PEL30 @ 0.39
8 98.9% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 1.1% Ecuadorian @ 0.41
9 98.7% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 1.3% MEX30 @ 0.41
10 99.2% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0.8% PEL30 @ 0.41
11 99.3% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0.7% Maya @ 0.42
12 99.4% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0.6% Pima @ 0.42
13 99.4% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0.6% Colombians @ 0.42
14 99.4% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0.6% Karitiana @ 0.43
15 99.4% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0.6% Surui @ 0.43
16 99.1% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 0.9% Ecuadorian @ 0.43
17 98.9% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 1.1% MEX30 @ 0.45
18 99.2% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 0.8% Athabask @ 0.46
19 98.5% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 1.5% Colombian @ 0.46
20 98.2% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 1.8% CLM30 @ 0.47

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, so can all Easterners/part Easterners, mine's just a little higher than what I'd have expected.

English blood is quite weak in my immediate family but an uncle is 1/4, and my grandmother was like 'you can tell because [his eldest child] is ginger,' and I was like 'Granny ginger hair is ubiquitous amongst Ashkenazis also' (this cousin would be around 5/8 AJ).

I know a few red-haired people with 2 Ashkenazi parents actually!

In our case, my mother and grandmother had to accept we do not have long-lost land in Hawaii, and in fact, I have 0.1% Amerindian/East Asian on 23andme and my mother has none. I am unsure why they told everyone we were part Hawaiian for so long, when those of us in our family honest about our history always knew it was not true. I think a lot of white people prefer to cling to the idea of Amerindian/Asian/etc. admixture than African if they can.

[Sikeliot]

I find alot of these calculators quite inaccurate because they place Irish way down on the list and I've not found anyone in my family who isn't Irish yet.

You are very close to southern English, which is not far off. I suspect you just do not match the Irish reference sample as well. But look.. Irish is only 2-3 points distant from you even if far down the list, that is still VERY close.

[Grace O'Malley]

You are very close to southern English, which is not far off. I suspect you just do not match the Irish reference sample as well. But look.. Irish is only 2-3 points distant from you even if far down the list, that is still VERY close.

They always place me as German so I don't look on that as a very accurate result.

[Sikeliot]

They always place me as German so I don't look on that as a very accurate result.

This one was one of the more accurate for me. Other times I come up half Ashkenazi, half French. :lol:

Dodecad V3 also has me as some mix of North Italian and African-admixed ethnicities.

[Damião de Góis]

Interesting, first time i see Brazilian:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Extremadura (1000 Genomes) 1.92
2 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 2.74
3 Portuguese (Dodecad) 2.84
4 Andalucia (1000 Genomes) 2.88
5 Galicia (1000 Genomes) 2.89
6 Spaniards (Behar) 3.58
7 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000 Genomes) 3.75
8 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000 Genomes) 4.27
9 Valencia (1000 Genomes) 4.67
10 Murcia (1000 Genomes) 4.74
11 Spanish (Dodecad) 4.86
12 Cataluna (1000 Genomes) 5.64
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 6.69
14 Aragon (1000 Genomes) 6.95
15 Cantabria (1000 Genomes) 6.96
16 N_Italian (Dodecad) 7.03
17 Canarias (1000 Genomes) 7.23
18 Brazilian (Dodecad) 9.52
19 French (Dodecad) 11.01
20 French (HGDP) 11.56

[Catkin]

It's not accurate for me either. I'm closest to Dutch then German, and these are my top 3 mixes :p:

1 59.3% Lithuanians + 40.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.5
2 78.8% Polish (Dodecad) + 21.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 0.69
3 77.9% Polish (Dodecad) + 22.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.71

[Sikeliot]

It's not accurate for me either. I'm closest to Dutch then German, and these are my top 3 mixes :p:

1 59.3% Lithuanians + 40.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.5
2 78.8% Polish (Dodecad) + 21.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 0.69
3 77.9% Polish (Dodecad) + 22.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.71


British/Irish/German/Dutch are all very close genetically.

[Longbowman]

Well, it's an old run. It's not the best.

[Petalpusher]

I don't know why you guys still read in the oracle like that

1 90.6% French (HGDP) + 9.4% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 0.64

This is only a way to drag down my meso (higher than French avg) and drag up the med (higher than Fr avg)

You can do exactly the same with an even more "Southern" group/country.

98.2% French (HGDP) + 1.8% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 0.78


It's one way or another you can't assume you have ancestry from these tiny chunks or then you have ancestry from all the 20 populations listed. To me there is a big misunderstanding on how people interpret gedmatch, almost in every modes.

Grace sure has no Irish + Iraqi Jew or Druze either. What i don't understand is why once in a while mix mode works like that, and sometimes it tries to do fifty/fifty, 72/25, which are more interesting imo.

[Sikeliot]

I think it is because the calculators try to cover 100% of your ancestry and thus match you with whichever combination of reference populations it can. It works for some people and not others.

[Petalpusher]

I think it is because the calculators try to cover 100% of your ancestry and thus match you with whichever combination of reference populations it can. It works for some people and not others.

For me it doesn't work on ancestry at all, it works with spreadsheets average and your datas (numbers), that's all. I thought everyone was aware of that, i doubt it lately. It gives you an idea of the many combinations of mongrel you could be IF you had multiple ancestry, not your actual ancestry (sometimes it probably matches if you actually have that) and i mean, i had pretty much every country i could think of. It already places you somewhere in 1 pop with a very good precision in most runs and who you are close to genetically, which is already amazing.