Danish footballers and Greek footballers - compare and contrast

[Tooting Carmen]

Given the widespread ideology that "ALL Europeans look more alike than ANY do to non-Europeans", I thought we should explore this. I chose this pair because (a) both football teams are relatively ethnically homogeneous, compared to many other contemporary Western European football teams and (b) the two groups are roughly at the opposite ends of Europe's phenotype spectrum. Also, say which ones can pass for the other ethnicity.

DANES
http://www.bt.dk/sites/default/files-dk/node-images/223/6/6223252-fodboldlandsholdet-rejser-til-spanienagsfgadsf.jpghttp://images.teamtalk.com/08/01/800x600/Kasper_Schmeichel_621301.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2015/324x324/102867.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/33364.jpghttp://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2009/1/26/1233002145920/Daniel-Agger-001.jpghttp://img.cdn.svenskafans.com/Image/7/100509/Simon-Kjaer-ytterst-naumlra-Wolfsburg.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/108507.jpghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/172522.pnghttps://arsenalyouth.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/screen-shot-2014-01-24-at-16-05-21.png?w=620http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2010/324x324/64294.jpghttp://ehads.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/304373-thumb.jpghttp://drupal-images.tv2.dk/sites/images.tv2.dk/files/t2img/2012/07/27/960x540/319124-michael_krohn_dehli.pnghttp://www.tablesleague.com/players/21605_jakob_poulsen_1.jpghttp://www.fotbolldirekt.se/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/lasse-vibe.jpghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/203965.pnghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/9/2013/324x324/250026986.jpghttp://www.london24.com/polopoly_fs/1.3428947.1394709706!/image/4098091705.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/4098091705.jpghttp://www.tv2oj.dk/modules/xphoto/cache/74/41774_690_0_0_0_688_387.jpg

[Hithaeglir]

http://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/203965.png

:love: :love: :love:

[Tooting Carmen]

DANES (Cont.)
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2013/324x324/64287.jpghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/200209.pnghttp://transfery.info/static/images/61c381f60194a6a03a2dd0b77bf83299_z.jpghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/200108.pnghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/190942.pnghttp://www.bt.dk/sites/default/files-dk/node-images/776/6/6776431-landsholdstrning.jpghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/199748.pnghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/203903.pnghttp://www.swlondoner.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Lasse-Vigen-Christensen-youtube-FFC.jpghttp://www.bt.dk/sites/default/files-dk/node-images/846/2/2846758-thomas-kahlenberg.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/53963.jpghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/205929.pnghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/60060.jpghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/201266.pnghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250013182.jpghttp://images.fyens.dk/40/2205240_513_342_0_0_0_0_2.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/250041664.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

GREEKS
http://www.koutipandoras.gr/sites/default/files/karnezis.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/250013050.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2011/324x324/73880.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/72623.jpghttp://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Sokratis+Papastathopoulos+xMi61qBg8Fam.jpghttp://wallpaperchimp.com/wallpaper/2015/04/vangelis-moras-hd-wallpaper-7-background.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/250012954.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2016/324x324/250013063.jpghttp://media.sporever.fr/football365/medias/foot/Football365_664x376/ligue_1/saintetienne/75512_SAINTETIENNE_TAVLARIDIS_181108.jpghttp://www.pamesports.gr/thumbnail?filepath=/contentfiles/superleague/panathinaikos/ntinas%2017-02-13.jpg&width=620&height=446http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/digital_images/456/2014-05-24/katsouranis-rejects-talk-of-division-in-greece-camp-1400914169-8844.jpghttp://www.eurocuppictures.com/data/media/2/Alexandros_Tziolis_greek_player.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/1900714.jpghttp://articlebio.com/uploads/2014/L/Lazaros-Christodoulopoulos.jpghttp://www.famousbirthdays.com/faces/kone-panagiotis-image.jpghttp://gr-football-team.mow.fm/files/user/photo/6732dec3126a7024dbef666951713df4.jpghttp://cms.toptenthailand.net/file/picture/20131126203754120/20131126203754120.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2016/324x324/1907791.jpghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/190084.pnghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2016/324x324/250017689.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

GREEKS (Cont.)
http://s.weltsport.net/bilder/spieler/gross/198765.jpghttp://www.footynions.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/103218.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2015/324x324/1909193.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/250038187.jpghttp://www.london24.com/polopoly_fs/1.2197206.1368706619!/image/3211778057.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/3211778057.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/108849.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2016/324x324/250080525.jpghttp://greece.greekreporter.com/files/Avraam-Papadopoulos-100620-Potrait-R300.jpghttp://www.solofutbol.cl/Imagenes/Albunes%20de%20futbol/Equipos/aek/aek%202010%20-%202011/karabelas.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250002911.jpghttps://headbandsandheartbreak.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/giannis-skondras4.jpghttp://www.weltmeisterschaftbilder.com/data/media/46/georgios_tzavellas_wm_2014.jpghttp://www.onsports.gr//media/k2/items/cache/36c18b6a0ac03f9c374c00b80ea6ff43_L.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/250004973.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/97657.jpghttp://news.images.itv.com/image/file/583923/stream_img.jpghttp://www.onsports.gr/media/k2/items/cache/b10c0c42cdc10f70e8cce41506f5032e_XL.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2015/324x324/250073789.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2015/324x324/108848.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

GREEKS (Cont.)
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2014/324x324/250000091.jpghttp://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Theofanis-Gekas-1345714171.jpghttp://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Greece+v+Russia+International+Friendly+d6kcCxK30E8 m.jpghttp://images.teamtalk.com/08/10/800x600/Georgios-Samaras_1346317.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/24/2012/324x324/250007285.jpg

The photos are now ready.

[Casandrinos]

The Danes look more incel despite the normal lighting photos, while 80% of the Greek + 1 Albanian +1 Gypsy players are not representative of how they look irl

[ius semper]

Both are white, ones are nordics and the others southern euros.

[Era]

GREEKS (Cont.)
https://headbandsandheartbreak.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/giannis-skondras4.jpg

mtdna U4 :)

[Hithaeglir]

How about these Casandrinouli? :P

http://www.koutipandoras.gr/sites/default/files/karnezis.jpg
http://wallpaperchimp.com/wallpaper/2015/04/vangelis-moras-hd-wallpaper-7-background.jpg
http://s.weltsport.net/bilder/spieler/gross/198765.jpg

[Deneb]

4 or 5 of the Danes could pass in med countries imo.

[Tooting Carmen]

4 or 5 of the Danes could pass in med countries imo.

Which ones?

[Deneb]

5, 13, 16
In the second group 8, 16.

[Deneb]

On the other hand only one Greek would pass as Dane.

[Neon Knight]

I agree with Artabro that the Danes are more likely to pass as Greeks than vice-versa i.e. the Danes have a more pan-European phenotype on average.

[Hellenas]

The Greek national team 2015

Non-tanned

http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2014-04/380026/4405259_640px.jpg?1398308710
Orestis Karnezis

http://38.media.tumblr.com/d0905cdcf88ab52aa99ce65bfc16ed8e/tumblr_inline_n7nrqjqq361reu1xh.jpg
Stefanos Kapino

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2011/324x324/73880.jpg
Markos Vellidis

http://www.real.gr/Files/Articles/Photo/550_334_149571.jpg
Vasilis Torosidis

http://static.goal.com/30900/30920.jpg
Sokratis Papastathopoulos

http://www.matrix24.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/vydra-e1359561286694.jpg
Loukas Vyntra

http://www.star.gr/publishingimages/2014/07/290714115711_1934.jpg
Vangelis Moras

https://lh4.ggpht.com/EsFSl5EVRdKm1Wh2qobDS3jEoV9NmTa5sOJcraKSwQ7682RDiU PDuwtt-qKYrk2M6K4fpNb-y1akAdSUiIE-9tqt8nE3dMEfh2CmRjq1Jw=s0
Kostas Manolas

http://www.epo.gr/media/STOCK_PHOTOS/ETHNIKI_ANDRON/OMADA/STAFYLIDIS.jpg
Kostas Stafylidis

http://www.iraklis1908.gr/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/football_taylaridis.jpg
Stathis Tavlaridis

http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/article_full_610x343/public/article/2015-01/1179614_0.jpg?itok=5kDDz_F5
Christos Tasoulis

http://www.aek-live.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/22161.jpg
Kostas Katsouranis (Captain)

http://www.enallaxnews.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/alexandros251.jpg
Alexandros Tziolis

http://2.fimagenes.com/i/5/8/22/am_513954_4451256_543078.jpg
Sotiris Ninis

http://www.tifosi.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/300620142009.jpg
Lazaros Christodoulopoulos

http://s.enet.gr/resources/2010-07/1252604-thumb-large.jpg
Panagiotis Kone

http://genoacfc.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Fetfatzidis-Ioannis-560x840.jpg
Giannis Fetfatzidis

http://www.contra.gr/Soccer/Europe/Euro/article1805532.ece/BINARY/w460/fortounis_kostas.jpg
Kostas Fortounis

http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/13/12/11/111320.jpg
Andreas Samaris

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/23/66/4b/23664b99cab0ea7f29961562f4d1fd9e.jpg
Panagiotis Tachtsidis

[Hellenas]

http://kopanina.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Fountas.jpg
Taxiarchis Fountas

http://sportsaction.gr/wp-content/uploads/20s76mitroglou-476910.jpg
Kostas Mitroglou

[Hellenas]

Recent call-ups

http://www.pamesports.gr/thumbnail?filepath=/contentfiles/ethnikiomada/glikos.jpg&width=620&height=446
Panagiotis Glykos

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2016/324x324/1901610.jpg
Kyriakos Papadopoulos

http://www.onsports.gr/media/k2/items/cache/38316f264d9378ee1b6cad7420ae2252_L.jpg
Dimitris Siovas

http://allsportsagrinio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bakakis.jpg
Michalis Bakakis

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/72323.jpg
Avraam Papadopoulos

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2010/324x324/101414.jpg
Nikos Karabelas

http://www.olympiacos.org/sites/default/files/giannoulis.jpg?1409822294
Kostas Giannoulis

http://inpaok.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/skondras-1.jpg
Giannis Skondras

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Georgios_Tzavelas.jpg
Giorgos Tzavellas

http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/12/08/02/084245.jpg
Giannis Gianniotas

http://www.taxydromos.gr/data/news/1426928831287263724.jpg
Tasos Lagos

http://asset.tovima.gr/vimawebstatic//39CE38FE3F4CBF91EF61602DE97F8B01.jpg
Charis Mavrias

http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/SkodaXanthi/article1481519.ece/BINARY/w620/mantalos.jpg
Petros Mantalos

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2015/324x324/250073789.jpg
Thanasis Dinas

http://olapaok.gr/lastnews/article2938441.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/klaous.JPG
Stefanos Athanasiadis

http://olapaok.gr/podosfairo/stimena/article1392011.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/giannou.jpg
Apostolos Giannou

http://articlebio.com/uploads/2014/T/Theofanis-Gekas.jpg
Theofanis Gekas

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2014/324x324/43513.jpg
Dimitris Salpingidis

http://www.super-fm.gr/img/images/diamantakos0.jpg
Dimitris Diamantakos

http://www.mediasoup.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/medium_splash/images/giorgos_samaras_fanela.jpg
Giorgos Samaras

[Antimage]

"ALL Europeans look more alike than ANY do to non-Europeans"

they do

[Ivan Kramskoï]

All Danes look Euro.
A few greek don't (foreign admixture) but most seem fine to me.

[Hellenas]

Greeks genetically

Greek(full Greek only):

European 87.6%

Middle Eastern 12.4%

Sub-Saharan African 0.0%

Northeast African 0.0%

South Asian 0.0%

East Asian 0.0%

North Asian 0.0%

Native American 0.0%

DNA Tribes® SNP Admixture Results by Population
http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-snp-admixture-2012-08-01.pdf

Greeks Cluster Genetically (ONLY) with other Europeans

Conclusions from the studies using multiple autosomal gene markers:

•Greeks cluster genetically with 41 other Europeans populations tested [49].

•Greeks cluster with other South European (like Italians) and North-European populations and are close to the Basques [48] (FIG. 25).

• Greeks grouped with other European and Mediterranean populations [47,51], (FIG. 22, FIG. 23).

•Greeks are some of the earliest contributors of genetic material to the rest of the Europeans as they are one of the oldest populations in Europe [54].

•Greeks are closest to Italians, Romanians (small sample size) and Former Yugoslavians [52], and to Albanians, southern Balkan Slavs and Bulgarians [53] (FIG. 26).

Christos Karatzios, Stephen G. Miller, Costas D. Triantaphyllidis.
http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thread/92/greeks-cluster-genetically-europeans

Greeks look European, south-east European in particular, but most ignore even the term.

A for those who will hurry up to call lighter football players of the national team I posted as "northerners", know that under sunshine in summer southern's Euros hair get lighter and that's how my hairs turn too, brownish/dark blond, and I am a Med!

[Tooting Carmen]

@Hellenas: you could just as much interpret this thread as me asking why do so few Danes pass as Greeks, as much as the reverse.

[Hellenas]

@Tooting Carmen

I don't know how much southern Danes look, as I haven't visit Denmark, but a lot of Greeks can pass as northerners. By the way, you posted very tanned persons from Greek's side and you can't come in conclusion by doing something like that.

For example, you posted him

http://wallpaperchimp.com/wallpaper/2015/04/vangelis-moras-hd-wallpaper-7-background.jpg

While naturally looks like that

http://www.star.gr/publishingimages/2014/07/290714115711_1934.jpg

http://ligamistru-2003-2004.xf.cz/obrazky/fotky/atheny/400x600/evangelos_moras.jpg

DANISH

This reference population is based on samples collected from people living in Denmark. The dominant 53% Northern European component likely reflects the earliest settlers in Europe, hunter-gatherers who arrived there more than 35,000 years ago. The 30% Mediterranean and 16% Southwest Asian percentages arrived later, with the spread of agriculture from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East over the past 10,000 years. As these early farmers moved into Europe, they spread their genetic patterns as well. Today, northern European populations retain the links to both earliest Europeans and these later migrants from the Middle East.

GREEK
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Greek_575.png

This reference population is based on samples collected from the native population of Greece. The 54% Mediterranean and 17% Southwest Asian percentages reflect the strong influence of agriculturalists from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East, who arrived here more than 8,000 years ago. The 28% Northern European component likely comes from the pre-agricultural population of Europe—the earliest settlers, who arrived more than 35,000 years ago during the Upper Paleolithic period. Today, this component predominates in northern European populations, while the Mediterranean component is more common in southern Europe.

Reference Populations(National Geographic)
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't deny that a considerable number of Greeks can pass further North (not the majority though), but there are also quite a few who can pass further South or East, like Nikos Karelis and Stefanos Athanasiadis.

[Casandrinos]

How about these Casandrinouli? :P

http://www.koutipandoras.gr/sites/default/files/karnezis.jpg
http://wallpaperchimp.com/wallpaper/2015/04/vangelis-moras-hd-wallpaper-7-background.jpg
http://s.weltsport.net/bilder/spieler/gross/198765.jpg

OK that's better





































How about me ? xD

[Tooting Carmen]

@Tooting Carmen

I don't know how much southern Danes look.

See above. Many if not most of the Danish footballers have phenotypes that are quite rare in Europe's far South.


but a lot of Greeks can pass as northerners.

Depends where in the North. Many if not most Greeks could pass reasonably well in France (which is a partly Mediterranean country itself), but considerably fewer in the UK, Holland or Germany (even taking into account their own notable darker-pigmented/Mediterranean-looking minorities), and any overlap with actual Nordic groups is scant.

[Hellenas]

I don't deny that a considerable number of Greeks can pass further North (not the majority though), but there are also quite a few who can pass further South or East, like Nikos Karelis and Stefanos Athanasiadis.

These are the only photos I googled from Nikos Karelis with light skin color

http://kritisport.gr/sites/default/files/field/image/karelhs_2.jpg

http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3155416.ece/BINARY/original/1078206.jpg

Here he look south-euro.

And Stefanos Athanasiades looks south-euro too

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/g3pUcEkOrCs/maxresdefault.jpg

http://www.crashonline.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/klaous.jpg

http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/708x320/public/athanasiadis-eurokinissi.660.jpg?itok=15MlTW4J

What matters is most Greeks are south-euros and they have some northern and eastern component, and especially more northerner than easterner.

[Tooting Carmen]

These are the only photos I googled from Nikos Karelis with light skin color

http://kritisport.gr/sites/default/files/field/image/karelhs_2.jpg

http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3155416.ece/BINARY/original/1078206.jpg

Here he look south-euro.

And Stefanos Athanasiades looks south-euro too

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/g3pUcEkOrCs/maxresdefault.jpg

http://www.crashonline.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/klaous.jpg

http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/708x320/public/athanasiadis-eurokinissi.660.jpg?itok=15MlTW4J

What matters is most Greeks are south-euros and they have some northern and eastern component, and especially more northerner than easterner.

Even in those photos they could still quite easily pass in Iran (at least more easily than anywhere in Northern Europe, at any rate). It is their facial features that are exotic, not merely their tanning ability.

[Hellenas]

See above. Many if not most of the Danish footballers have phenotypes that are quite rare in Europe's far South.



Depends where in the North. Many if not most Greeks could pass reasonably well in France (which is a partly Mediterranean country itself), but considerably fewer in the UK, Holland or Germany (even taking into account their own notable darker-pigmented/Mediterranean-looking minorities), and any overlap with actual Nordic groups is scant.

I agree with most of what you said, but just that, Greeks can pass very well in UK and in Germany(I have see many Germans who look like southerners).

Most Mediterraneans in Greece, Italy, Balkans etc are white skinned, what you call as "darker-pigmented/Mediterranean-looking minorities" Greek Anthropologists call it Orientalid=Middle Eastern-like.

[Hithaeglir]

Maybe it's time to compare polo teams :P

[Tooting Carmen]

I agree with most of what you said, but just that, Greeks can pass very well in UK and in Germany(I have see many Germans who look like southerners).

I am not so sure about Germany, but I have seen Greeks in the UK, and very few pass here (even lighter-haired/eyed Greeks have different facial features usually).


Most Mediterraneans in Greece, Italy, Balkans etc are white skinned, what you call as "darker-pigmented/Mediterranean-looking minorities" Greek Anthropologists call it Orientalid=Middle Eastern-like.

I don't mean people who look wholesale Middle Eastern, but the kinds of Brits who look like these (they have their Dutch and German counterparts too): http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?168028-Rate-these-five-British-MPs-from-most-to-least-Southern-European-looking

Even so, such types are about 5-10% of the British population, not 50-60%...

[Hellenas]

Even in those photos they could still quite easily pass in Iran (at least more easily than anywhere in Northern Europe, at any rate).

And so all of south Europe, it is not because we look like Middle Easterners but 'cause Iranians have a great amount of people who look like southern Europeans.

That's how typical Iranians looks like

https://archive.org/stream/contributionstoa292fiel#page/n193/mode/2up


It is their facial features that are exotic, not merely their tanning ability.

"Exotic" according to who? To you and some internet-classifiers? Lol, List here some Anthropologists who consider them so, I don't care for the opinion of some irrelevant 18 - 20 years boys who troll south euros.

[Tooting Carmen]

And so all of south Europe, it is not because we look like Middle Easterners but 'cause Iranians have a great amount of people who look like southern Europeans.

That's how typical Iranians looks like

https://archive.org/stream/contributionstoa292fiel#page/n193/mode/2up



"Exotic" according to who? To you and some internet-classifiers? Lol, List here some Anthropologists who consider them so, I don't care for the opinion of some irrelevant 18 - 20 years boys who troll south euros.

OK, do you think that most Malaysians and Thais can pass in Korea just because they are all East Asians? Because I see no more overlap between Scandinavians and Greeks than I do between Koreans and Southeast Asians.

[Hellenas]

I am not so sure about Germany, but I have seen Greeks in the UK, and very few pass here (even lighter-haired/eyed Greeks have different facial features usually).

I meant many Brits look like south europeans.


I don't mean people who look wholesale Middle Eastern, but the kinds of Brits who look like these (they have their Dutch and German counterparts too): http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?168028-Rate-these-five-British-MPs-from-most-to-least-Southern-European-looking

Even so, such types are about 5-10% of the British population, not 50-60%...

The people to your link look south-europeans.

BRITISH (UNITED KINGDOM)
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_British_575.png

This reference population is based on samples collected from populations in the United Kingdom. The dominant 50% northern European component likely reflects the earliest settlers in Europe, hunter-gatherers who arrived there more than 35,000 years ago. The 33% Mediterranean and 17% Southwest Asian percentages arrived later, with the spread of agriculture from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East, over the past 10,000 years. As these early farmers moved into Europe, they spread their genetic patterns as well. Today, northern European populations retain their links to both the earliest Europeans and these later migrants from the Middle East.

Reference Populations(National Geographic)
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/

[Hellenas]

OK, do you think that most Malaysians and Thais can pass in Korea just because they are all East Asians? Because I see no more overlap between Scandinavians and Greeks than I do between Koreans and Southeast Asians.

You just expess your own opinion here.

[Tooting Carmen]

You just expess your own opinion here.

Basically, a considerable minority of Greeks (and other Southern Europeans) can look Nordic/Scandinavian, but the point is that archetypal Southern European looks in countries like Denmark are extremely rare, hence why the overlap is limited.

[Hellenas]

Basically, a considerable minority of Greeks (and other Southern Europeans) can look Nordic/Scandinavian, but the point is that archetypal Southern European looks in countries like Denmark are extremely rare, hence why the overlap is limited.

Terms like "minority", "limited" are of your own contrivance...

Danish: 30% Mediterranean,

British (United Kingdom): 33% Mediterranean

Greek: 28% Northern European

Tuscan (Italy): 28% Northern European

Sardinian (Italy): 24% Northern European

Iberian (Spain & Portugal): 37% Northern European

Reference Populations(National Geographic)
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/

It seems like you try to disconnect Northern from Southern Europeans.

Nucleotide diversity and population differentiation of the Melanocortin 1 Receptor gene, MC1R

The least amount of population differentiation was found in comparisons between the United States, Northern Europe, and Southern Europe.

Minimal differentiation was noted between Southern Europe, Northern Europe, and the United States. These individuals were identified in previous studies as Caucasian (i.e. of European descent), and likely share some degree of common ancestry.

The sub-group analysis of the Northern and Southern European groups showed little evidence of population differentiation. This is consistent with other studies showing little among-population differentiation[25,27,30].

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/9/31

[Hungarian_master]

The Danes have more blonde, Baltid, Nordid than Greeks, but the Greeks have more Mediterranid.

[Tooting Carmen]

Genotype=/=phenotype. Please look at those Danish footballers and tell me how many of those would be commonplace faces in Greece.

[Pausanias]

The mediterranean are the most beautiful people to me :)

[Hellenas]

Genotype=/=phenotype. Please look at those Danish footballers and tell me how many of those would be commonplace faces in Greece.


http://www.bt.dk/sites/default/files-dk/node-images/223/6/6223252-fodboldlandsholdet-rejser-til-spanienagsfgadsf.jpg

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2015/324x324/102867.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2009/1/26/1233002145920/Daniel-Agger-001.jpg

https://arsenalyouth.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/screen-shot-2014-01-24-at-16-05-21.png?w=620

http://www.tablesleague.com/players/21605_jakob_poulsen_1.jpg

http://www.london24.com/polopoly_fs/1.3428947.1394709706!/image/4098091705.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/4098091705.jpg

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2013/324x324/64287.jpg

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/60060.jpg

Those 8, not as common but they can pass. The rest look non-Greeks.

[Tooting Carmen]

http://www.bt.dk/sites/default/files-dk/node-images/223/6/6223252-fodboldlandsholdet-rejser-til-spanienagsfgadsf.jpg

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2015/324x324/102867.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2009/1/26/1233002145920/Daniel-Agger-001.jpg

https://arsenalyouth.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/screen-shot-2014-01-24-at-16-05-21.png?w=620

http://www.tablesleague.com/players/21605_jakob_poulsen_1.jpg

http://www.london24.com/polopoly_fs/1.3428947.1394709706!/image/4098091705.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/4098091705.jpg

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2013/324x324/64287.jpg

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/60060.jpg

Those 8, not as common but they can pass. The rest look non-Greeks.

My point exactly. If Europeans were really all so identical, then there would be 8 who wouldn't pass and 30+ who would, not the other way round...

[Hellenas]

My point exactly. If Europeans were really all so identical, then there would be 8 who wouldn't pass and 30+ who would, not the other way round...

Europeans are more related genetically, than phenotypically. Anyway, in the eyes of non-euros we all look the same, Europeans, the only difference they found to us are skin/eye/hair color.

[Tooting Carmen]

Europeans are more related genetically, than phenotypically.

OK, I agree about that.


Anyway, in the eyes of non-euros we all look the same, Europeans, the only difference they found to us are skin/eye/hair color.

Surely that depends. When compared to Chinese and Nigerians that is indisputable. However, in the eyes of Armenians, Turks, Lebanese etc., there are lots of Greeks who could pass among their countrymen (even if as atypical), whereas the point is that pretty much no Dane ever could.

[Hellenas]

However, in the eyes of Armenians, Turks, Lebanese etc., there are lots of Greeks who could pass among their countrymen (even if as atypical), whereas the point is that pretty much no Dane ever could.

And what that does mean, that Greeks cannot look like Danes or that Danes cannot look like Greeks? No one said that we are identical, but as Europeans we related. Armenians, Turks and Lebaneze have a great amount of European genes and even phenotype, if you go in "Isatnbul" you will see blond kids running, lol... no resemblance with Danes, having 30% Mediterranean component...

Turkey

http://static1.makyaj.com/articles/8/36/8/@/694-bade-iscil-in-piriltili-650x0-2.jpg
Bade İşçil

Denmark

http://img.jurgita.com/images_new/models/M/other/w478xh1000/jeppe-andersen-25644-319191.jpg
Jeppe Andersen

[Tooting Carmen]

And what that does mean, that Greeks cannot look like Danes or that Danes cannot look like Greeks? No one said that we are identical, but as Europeans we related. Armenians, Turks and Lebaneze have a great amount of European genes and even phenotype, if you go in "Isatnbul" you will see blond kids running, lol... no resemblance with Danes, having 30% Mediterranean component...

Turkey

http://static1.makyaj.com/articles/8/36/8/@/694-bade-iscil-in-piriltili-650x0-2.jpg
Bade İşçil

Denmark

http://img.jurgita.com/images_new/models/M/other/w478xh1000/jeppe-andersen-25644-319191.jpg
Jeppe Andersen

Yes I know, but the percentage of such types in Turkey is tiny (for that matter, so it is in Greece too).

[Tooting Carmen]

Ditch the pan-Europeanist fantasies - the percentage of swarthy people in Greece is several times greater than the percentage of blonde people, and the swarthy types have few counterparts in the UK, France and Germany and practically none whatsoever in Scandinavia.

[Hellenas]

Danes look mostly Nordincel Hallstatt types with almost no Alpha, fuck even that Sikeliotid Diamantakos may pass among them.
Minus this guy who looks like a Balkan gypsy with dyed hair.
http://www.tablesleague.com/players/21605_jakob_poulsen_1.jpg

Nope.

http://www.tvmidtvest.dk/sites/www.tvmidtvest.dk/files/imagecache/_forside_artikel/images/billeder_fra_avid/9-Jakob-Poulsen.jpg
Jakob Poulsen


Greeks look mostly Hellenas sort of Indid

Gypsies have nothing to do with our discussion

http://www.napiszar.com/uploads/2014/12/03/d45f5d26874a34170095baefbb7c67ec_origi.jpg
Gypsies(naturally brown skinned)

I look like that

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/a1870c05-f898-4172-b574-3e7eb29c712f_zpswub0kd1y.jpg

You are a troll, either Faklon or Mr.Malus, I will report you.

[Hellenas]

Yes I know, but the percentage of such types in Turkey is tiny (for that matter, so it is in Greece too).

In Greece natural blonds count 5-7%, but Danes are 30% Mediterraneans genetically.

[Hellenas]

Ditch the pan-Europeanist fantasies - the percentage of swarthy people in Greece is several times greater than the percentage of blonde people, and the swarthy types have few counterparts in the UK, France and Germany and practically none whatsoever in Scandinavia.

Sorry, you know nothing about Greece. The difference between Danes and Greeks is not that we are "swarhies" and they blond, the difference is that we are south Europeans and Danes Northern Europeans, while we related through northern genes to us and Mediterranean genes to them.

http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/race_genes.gif
(Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza, 1994)

http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/greeks.html

"THE 90% OF THE PERSONS(GREEKS) WE STUDIED HAVE WHITE SKIN COLOR. RARELY SOMEONE MEETS DARK SKIN COLOR AND EVEN MORE RARELY VERY DARK SKIN COLOR. VERY LIGHT SKIN COLOR IS MET MORE OFTEN THAN DARK SKIN COLOR."
Aris Poulianos(Anthropologist/Paleoanthropologist). "The origin of the Greeks", page 69, year 2001.

[Tooting Carmen]

Sorry, you know nothing about Greece. The difference between Danes and Greeks is not that we are "swarhies" and they blond, the difference is that we are south Europeans and Danes Northern Europeans, while we related through northern genes to us and Mediterranean genes to them.

http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/race_genes.gif
(Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza, 1994)

http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/greeks.html

"THE 90% OF THE PERSONS(GREEKS) WE STUDIED HAVE WHITE SKIN COLOR. RARELY SOMEONE MEETS DARK SKIN COLOR AND EVEN MORE RARELY VERY DARK SKIN COLOR. VERY LIGHT SKIN COLOR IS MET MORE OFTEN THAN DARK SKIN COLOR."
Aris Poulianos(Anthropologist/Paleoanthropologist). "The origin of the Greeks", page 69, year 2001.

OK. If you can find me a fully native Scandinavian who looks like Karelis or Athnasiadis, then be my guest. (No, I am not saying that the majority of Greeks look like them either, but the point is a lot do, whereas pretty much no Scandinavians would).

[Hellenas]

OK. If you can find me a fully native Scandinavian who looks like Karelis or Athnasiadis, then be my guest. (No, I am not saying that the majority of Greeks look like them either, but the point is a lot do, whereas pretty much no Scandinavians would).

I don't have much time googling for photos, but as I said it's the genes, they have Med we have Nord, we related. See some of the photos you already posted, there are some brunettes there.

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't have much time googling for photos, but as I said it's the genes, they have Med we have Nord, we related. See some of the photos you already posted, there are some brunettes there.

There are indeed. However, while it is true that the blondest Greeks can indeed be as light as the blondest Danes, the darkest Greeks (however much a minority they are) are much darker than the darkest Danes. Anyway, I shall now close this thread, as we appear to be going round in circles.