Artek grandfathers' y-DNA Results

[Artek]

Straight paternal ancestry from Eastern Poland, near what is now border with Ukraine.

Staff of "N North Eurasia" project suggested, that it's N1c-L550>L1025>M2783. Most matches from Lithuania (or what was Lithuania in the past).

That's not what I expected :D.
Ching-chong intensifies.

[Artek]

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/CeltHussar/SNP-N-TREE-FIN%20modified_zps2ixu2cmv.jpg

[Hevo]

http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/300x250/27622.jpg

[Artek]

That was a curse after intensive listening to Latvian band Skyforger


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUNRpQzka0Y

So I shall listen to some Swedish band, for other ancestral line to be I1?

[Gaston]

Congrats! :thumb001:
(is it your maternal grandfather though)?

What haplogroups did you expect (more)?

[Not a Cop]

That was a curse after intensive listening to Latvian band Skyforger


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUNRpQzka0Y

So I shall listen to some Swedish band, for other ancestral line to be I1?


Try some real N1c stuff:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBY34VEqE8E

[Artek]

Congrats! :thumb001:
(is it your maternal grandfather though)?

What haplogroups did you expect (more)?

Sorry for the confusion, it's a paternal great-grandfather. I've just shortened it.

I've expected either R1a(CTS111962?L260?CTS8816?) or I2-Y3111 (what was called an I2-DIN http://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3111/)

[Artek]

Results of another ancestral line.

CTS1211>YP1019 is a rare sublineage of R1a-Z280, most likely emerged in Bronze Age within Sosnica culture of post-Corded Ware Trzciniec horizon.
It has rather Baltic character, although on FTDNA participants from that clade are mostly Northwestern Russian and Northeastern Polish. It's due to the much higher amount of people tested (and participating in R1a Project) in those two countries.
By the way, I had common paternal ancestor with that lineage at about 3000 B.C. Pure Corded Ware inbreeding.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/CeltHussar/th_Results%20chart_zpsvuuyff9y.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/CeltHussar/media/Results%20chart_zpsvuuyff9y.jpg.html)

Allright, so let's take a look on the matches. Russian, Lithuanian or a Latvian was highly expected. Firstly, a 37-marker match.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/CeltHussar/th_37-marker%20match_zps8cb3bivu.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/CeltHussar/media/37-marker%20match_zps8cb3bivu.jpg.html)

Hell no. A Swede from Husaby in Vastergotaland. I've e-mailed this guy, he says that lineage is Swedish as far as the church records go. Few dozens of CTS1211>YP1019 males live somewhere in that region, probably everyone with different patronymic surname. OK, let's go down to 25 markers...a Lithuanian, no genealogical info aside that. E-mail was sent, I still haven't received a reply.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/CeltHussar/th_ancestral%20origins_zpsqgyiwmv8.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/CeltHussar/media/ancestral%20origins_zpsqgyiwmv8.jpg.html)

But I can see hope on the horizon. There is an Ysearch, I can upload results to this site and probably find some related people. Yeah!
New account, few adjustments and here we go:

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/CeltHussar/th_Ysearch_zpssxrqv4u8.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/CeltHussar/media/Ysearch_zpssxrqv4u8.jpg.html)

Most meaningful match, Eduards Verprejs from Dundaga in Latvia. And an outlier - Morgan from Wales. Uiselt and Cooley are too distant to mean something, the latter person is Z284. Some Poles, anyone? Sheeeiiitt.

[Artek]

I've ordered an N-M232 SNP Pack, that tests whole lot of SNPs. Maybe not that much as Big Y does but for 99$ it is a good occasion.

See the list:
60458

[Artek]

Another ancestral line results are in, this time R1b-M296. Damn, I don't have a luck for clades of I(2 or 1)

Most likely not to be Z2103 but either P312 or U106. I will definitely order R1b-Backbone SNP Pack.

NO wonder why I've given up reading surnames of all matches:
http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/CeltHussar/matches%20R1b_zps1qbequxz.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/CeltHussar/media/matches%20R1b_zps1qbequxz.jpg.html)

[Rethel]

So, you are half-metys http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/037.gif

[Rethel]

So I shall listen to some Swedish band, for other ancestral line to be I1?

NO - only, if this song will be written by using 1/3 of non-IE vocabulary
(which is in last decades doubtful anyway) and some strange grammar http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/dziadek.gif

[Rethel]

Sorry for the confusion, it's a paternal great-grandfather

:confused:

So you are not R1-Z280? :mmmm:

[Artek]

:confused:

So you are not R1-Z280? :mmmm:
I just don't want to multiply the word "great". Lazyness.

My own line is pretty much an R1a. I'm not turaN1c.

[Rethel]

My own line is pretty much an R1a. I'm not turaN1c.

Becasue, if you write "paternal great...." it seems to be po mieczu z dziada pradziada... jak mój ojciec, dziad i pradziad... :)

[Rethel]

R1a and R1b unite - Join!

I don't belive in separation - there is only R1... :)

[Artek]

Becasue, if you write "paternal great...." it seems to be po mieczu z dziada pradziada... jak mój ojciec, dziad i pradziad... :)
http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/CeltHussar/Tree_zpsbo1tyg0u.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/CeltHussar/media/Tree_zpsbo1tyg0u.jpg.html)

But I understand your way of thinking.

[Voskos]

What does he get on autosomal?

[Artek]

What does he get on autosomal?
I didn't do Family Finder. I only did Y-DNA test at FTDNA, because I wanted to research Y-Chromosome.

[Voskos]

I didn't do Family Finder. I only did Y-DNA test at FTDNA, because I wanted to research Y-Chromosome.

I wanted to test my maternal grandfather too, but it would probably creep him out, so I changed my mind... Too bad I dont have any maternal uncles

[Rethel]

But I understand your way of thinking.

You can say:

- One of my not direct/paternal great-grandfathers
- Father of my paternal gradma
- Greatgrandfa from my paternal grandma side
- One of ascendents

Btw, do you kitted only one guy or couple?

[Rethel]

creep him out

??? He would be furious? :)

[Artek]

Btw, do you kitted only one guy or couple?
I have no money and time to look for earliest divergent distant paternal cousins to those tested. So I have to guess that they indeed represent my particular ascendents.

I tested single people only.

[Voskos]

??? He would be furious? :)

He's too old, 90

[Rethel]

He's too old, 90

So you can tested him, when he is sleeping :)

Seriously - this is your last chance. soon, will be gone.
Create some awesome story, and he will get it.

[Peterski]

No results downstream of M2783?

[Artek]

No results downstream of M2783?


N1c-L1026>CTS10760>VL29>Z4908>L550>L1025>M2783>Y5580>L591>BY158>Y5582
I have to order more Y-STRs and a Big Y though.

[Peterski]

Straight paternal ancestry from Eastern Poland, near what is now border with Ukraine.

Perhaps Yotvingian ancestry?

[Artek]

Perhaps Yotvingian ancestry?

I have to refine his results.

Confirmed Y-SNP matches are mostly from former Polish - Lithuanian Commonwealth: Korwin-Piotrowski (Vilnius), Moszyński (Halich), Stankevičius (Rokėnai). Probably Dzukian or Aukstatijan ancestry further back (XVI-XVII century?)