Alexander the great with plis hat?

[Shqipez]

I've seen the same hat Albanians carry, in many ancient greeks and Illyrians. Do Greeks still carry this hat today too? But this one in the picture of Alexander it looks 100% like the hat Albanian Gegs carry.. the tosks carry a different shaped one.



https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11393232_1420154681642818_7635584976386222952_n.jp g?oh=9bacaa041575427cb02c41f71c88d0fa&oe=55F1D29B


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qeleshe

[Linebacker]

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[Highlands]

He would be slavovlach in greece xD too brachy

[Shqipez]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513K2SAEZHL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Alexander is actually a national hero in Albania. Albanias currency was named after him, LEKA. His mother was from South Albania/North Greece. I suggest you tell that to the FYROMS, Nordicstst and afrocentricsts. But you tell me there are no connections? I think you people are more delusional than me to think there is no connection at all. Like we are two different worlds or some shit. How delusional can somebody be? We have lived next to eachother for thousands of years. And Even Illyrian and Thracian tribes invaded ancient greece. and a lot of Alexanders army featured Illyrian and Thracian tribes.

But these nordicists and afrocentricsts have closer connections? xD There have been some studies on the ancient macedonian language and many scholars had the opinion that they spoke a Illyrian or Thracian language mixed with greek but they became hellenized over time and their language was switched to Greek. Maybe the same thing can be said about Epirotans who underwent hellenization most likely. Kind of like the Arvanite who fought for the independence of Greece. Most of them were orthodox Albanians. If one minus the slavic settlements obviously todays greeks are the descendants of ancient macedonians. Meaning Greeks have Illyrian and Thracian ancestry too obviously. I'm positive FYROMS and Bulgarians have some thracian ancestry though. And this hat I have seen in a lot of ancient balkanite population shaped differently. the Phrygian one was red and looked like a sock on top... but the ancient greek one and Illyrian one looks like the one north Albanians carry. It would make much more sense if it was like the one shaped in the south since its borders is much closer but it's exactly 100% identical to the one Gegs carry and wiki says its origin is from Illyrians and ancient greeks. But it looks like Gegs kept the original shape.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Dioscurus_Baiae_MAN_Napoli_Inv230872.jpg/465px-Dioscurus_Baiae_MAN_Napoli_Inv230872.jpg


https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3YaThkYr6caXuaKbs9b7L8LiIKNXC-vRLTnZmHm5h9pKcS4F8

Achilles with patroclus:

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/ashp/NEWhp252/portnov/achille.jpg

EDIT:
You have to remember Alexander was Macedonian only through one side, his father. Not to mention our own national hero Gjergj Kastrioti Skenderbeu (Skanderbeg) spoke about him in a letter to some enemy and considered him a hero too. And also wore his goat helmet and mentioned his ancestors going in his army and conquering the world. of course Greeks thought this meant Kastrioti was Greek but that was not even what he said. He mentioned Epirotans, and is reffered to as Prince of Epirotans, king of Albania. and Albanians are mentioned at that time as Epirotans. If he was a Greek then the Arbereshe would be Greeks today. It's simple as that really. But the only thing I can see is that they are Albanians. And his relatives live there to this day and they go down by the surname Castriota.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/KHM_Wien_A_127_-_Helmet_of_Skanderbeg_frontal_view.jpg/170px-KHM_Wien_A_127_-_Helmet_of_Skanderbeg_frontal_view.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DAWK97/george-kastrioti-skanderbeg-14051468-statue-kruje-albania-DAWK97.jpg

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/42/7642-004-42BBD267.jpg

[solaris]

another proof he was albanian.

[Shqipez]

yes, yes.. so was St.Sava

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?145150-Was-Saint-Sava-Albanian&highlight=wearing+plis

you are becoming repetitive cripple.

Lol. how does your post make any point for you or your arguement? You just showed me there have been slavicized Albanians throughout time like the boys in Sandzak who had Slavic names but wore Albanian costumes and plis hat? Saint Angjelina is known to of been Albanian. and she is praised by Serb orthodox christians... so why not Saint Sava? The influence was clearly higher than we think. As for Alexander I don't think he was Albanian :picard1: Albanians as a group known today did not exist at that time. But were known by another name.

But why are Macedonians praised so much for what he did when he was Macedonian only through his father side, his mother an Epirotan? Clearly his military genius came from his Epirotan side because his cousin was also Pyrrhus of Epirus, another military genius who fought the Romans. Before Alexander, Ancient Macedonians were nothing. They were conquered by Illyrian tribes such as Dardani and Bardylis ruled Macedonia. Not to mention I remember reading half of his army was Illyrian and Thracian.

[Shqipez]

you are a cocktail bastardized race who is artificially settled on balkans by your Turkish forefathers to cause troubles.

like a wedge you come between Serbs and Greeks with intentions to split Christians.You are here only to serve neo-Ottoman interests, nothing more you filthy muslim.

you have nothing to do with illyrians, ancient world and even less so with Alexander you brown midgetoid gypsy.

They wish they had anything to do with us. You mad, bro?

It's funny how Alexander conquered the world is only allowed to be praised by Greeks or else they accuse you of stealing history lmao. 5/4 of Alexanders army was Thracian. get with the program kid. Albanians Not Thracian not Illyrian..?.? Stick with reality kid. Not how you feel about a group of people. The cultural similarities with ancient populations is too similar to ignore.

How many Greeks were in his army? Most likely him being a national hero in Albania comes from Illyrian and Thracian soldiers in his army or his Epirotan mother. which also our national hero Kastrioti mentioned. who you think was first a Serb than a Greek? The biggest evidence of him having some serb connection is his mother which might not of even been a Serb in the first place but most likely some kind of slavicized Albos like Saint Angjelina and Saint Sava. and the Crnoejvic and Balsic tribes of Montenegro. as f
or the greek side, it's just a misunderstanding from greeks and basic history kid.

[Pausanias]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pileus_(hat)

[Puppy]

Greeks don't ude that hat, its only Albanians who do. I'm not claiming that Alex was Albanian lolz but the fact that Albanians know to survive without forgeting their culture is to admire.

[Puppy]

you are a cocktail bastardized race who is artificially settled on balkans by your Turkish forefathers to cause troubles.

like a wedge you come between Serbs and Greeks with intentions to split Christians.You are here only to serve neo-Ottoman interests, nothing more you filthy muslim.

you have nothing to do with illyrians, ancient world and even less so with Alexander you brown midgetoid gypsy.

When you posted pictures of you were classified as a gypsy. Poor serb, i bet you were bullied at schooolz

Typical serv

[Puppy]

source or it didnt happen!?

also stop with your pheromone pussy dripping, youre annoying as fuck and messing up the forum.Neither did anyone ever see your "classy" brown gypsoid face.
You asked one of the administrators to delete your thread ahahahahahahhah poor gypsoserb

[Shqipez]

Greeks don't ude that hat, its only Albanians who do. I'm not claiming that Alex was Albanian lolz but the fact that Albanians know to survive without forgeting their culture is to admire.

Neither am I. We can maybe argue he was Illyrian or Thracian. but he wasn't Illyrian or Thracian either because his mind was already hellenized. Macedonians weren't originally Greeks. after the invasion of thebes and athens many elite leaders of macedon became hellenized but macedonia was still not a united nation and there exist non hellenized or partial hellenized people too. These non-hellenized people were most likely Illyrians or Thracians. Maybe they didn't look at tehemselves as such and maybe a Macedonian identity existed at that time before becoming Greeks. But what was their origin? Most likely Illyrian or Thracian. That means Greeks have non-greek ancestry too. they have Illyrian and Thracian ancestry. but greek macedonia is also overwhelmingly slavic influenced. north greece has illyrian ancestry, around peloponese. many Illyrian tribes around there underwent hellenization. Not all ancient macedonians and epirotans became hellenized, some became later slavicized around todays fyrom and some are today Albanians. Alexanders army wasn't fully Greek either. So I don't see why other people can't celebrate this part of history? It's not just a greek achievement. Nationalistic people, especially Balkan ones, are so butthurt. Its the same when the Romans invaded the Balkans, you had latinized people andyou had partial latinized. Albanian ancestors being the last one, partially latinized. Hellenization has happenedb later on in history too, like the arvanite, who are hellenized Albanians. Some of them have been Greek nationalists. or atleast fought for Greeks and were commanders or leaders in their armies.

Only Geg Albanians use this hat from what I have seen. the Tosk one is shaped differently on top its flat. t is the same hat but just shaped differently. the Geg one is exactly 100% identical and the name is also the same, its origin is the same. It is the same hat. This is what I found interesting and the whole point of this thread if one is Albanian they will understand, how Gegs retained its originality.

With all that being said. considering a lot of times Epirotans and Macedonians seem to be the same people like the Pelagonians, I doubt ancient macedonian origin was hellenized Thracian. maybe influenced by Thracians. or maybe Thracians and Illyrians were closely related people. and ancient macedonia was like Dardania, a Thraco-Illyrian contact zone before becoming hellenized. Epirus was Illyro-Greek/Greco-Illyrian with many tribes undergoing hellenuzation. I consider the craddle of Greek civilisation as Athens and Sparta, regions around there. with all this being said, Greeks have Illyrian and thracian ancestry too much like some south slavs do. They just don't claim it because they are already Greeks, another ancient population of the Balkans. south slavs are slavs and they know they are knew to the balkans compared to other populations so they claim it more because they want to fit in and tell themselves they are ancient, more ancient than their neighbors so they can sleep well at night.

The case with Albanians is totally different, neither slavs or Greeks, only conclusion remains Thracian or Illyrian. The Albanian language classified within its own branch. Slavs have descendants, Greeks have descendants, Albanians have also descendants known by other names, and who is that? Most likely Illyrians or Thracians or Thraco-Illyrians. Thats why the case with Albanians and them claiming thracians or Illyrians is totally different.

[Prism]

source or it didnt happen!?

also stop with your pheromone pussy dripping, youre annoying as fuck and messing up the forum.Neither did anyone ever see your "classy" brown gypsoid face.

By getting all defensive and demanding proof, is enough proof to verify it happened, live with it gyspy.

You should learn to respect Albanians more inferior gypsy after all karadjordje was Albanian, source you'll ask, well no other than your favourite website ; Wikipedia !

"A 2006 book by journalist Milorad Bošnjak and machine engineer Slobodan Jakovljević (a direct descendant of Jakov Obrenović, half-brother of Miloš Obrenović) claimed that Karađorđe's ancestor was an Albanian Catholic from Kelmend called Đin Maraš Klimenta while Dimitrije Tucović had earlier claimed that he was of Albanian descent "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara%C4%91or%C4%91evi%C4%87_dynasty

[Puppy]

which administrator?Ask him to confirm this.

why dont you post this thread here so we can all laugh instead, I am of very short memory you filthy gypsy?

while doing so also post your toothless brown sheeptar face.
Post the thread that was removed?

:v

[Shqipez]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513K2SAEZHL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

not stealing history, my friend. the connection might be from Illyrian-Thracian ancestry and other paleo-balkanic influences.






Sirras' origin is disputed, scholars being divided on whether he was of Lynkestian origin, or of Illyrian (Taulantii) origin.[2][3] Plutarch explicitly stated that his daughter, Eurydice, was an Illyrian,[4] so does Libanius, as is stated in the 10th-century Byzantine encyclopaedia Suda.[5]




Eurydice was the daughter of Sirras of Lyncestis, Upper Macedonia. Eurydice had four children: Alexander II, Perdiccas III, Philip II, all of whom would be crowned kings, a daughter Eurynoe, and through her son Philip, she was the paternal grandmother of Alexander the Great




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirras

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurydice_I_of_Macedon




Due to the fragmentary attestation of this language or dialect, various interpretations are possible.[8] Suggested phylogenetic classifications of Macedonian include:[9]

An Indo-European language that is a close cousin to Greek and also related to Thracian and Phrygian languages, suggested by A. Meillet (1913) and I. I. Russu (1938),[10] or part of a Sprachbund encompassing Thracian, Illyrian and Greek (Kretschmer 1896, E. Schwyzer 1959).
An Illyrian dialect mixed with Greek, suggested by K. O. Müller (1825) and by G. Bonfante (1987).
A Greek dialect, part of the North-Western (Locrian, Aetolian, Phocidian, Epirote) variants of Doric Greek, suggested amongst others by N.G.L. Hammond (1989) Olivier Masson (1996), Michael Meier-Brügger (2003) and Johannes Engels (2010).[11][12][13][14]
A northern Greek dialect, related to Aeolic Greek and Thessalian, suggested among others by A.Fick (1874) and O.Hoffmann (1906).[11][15]

A Greek dialect with a non-Indo-European substratal influence, suggested by M. Sakellariou (1983).
A sibling language of Greek within Indo-European, Macedonian and Greek forming two subbranches of a Greco-Macedonian subgroup within Indo-European (sometimes called "Hellenic"),[8] suggested by Joseph (2001), Georgiev (1966),[16] Hamp & Adams (2013),[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonian_language

besides this, greek macedonians share the same Y-DNA as Kosovar&FYROM Albanians, the frequencies are so similar if you minus the slavic influences. I'm pretty sure at one point in time ancient macedonians were of the same stock as todays Kosovo Albanians or Thraco-Illyrian people called Dardanians. Alexander the great, his family, and the rest of Macedon kingdom were most likely some kind of hellenized Ancient Albanian Gegs. Kurt was right.

FYROM slavs and Bulgarians for some reason are also closely related too, and might be the result of slavicized illyrians nad thracians and greeks living in the area. but high slavic influences much like greek macedonians have. Greek macedonians today aren't any less slavic genetically than FYROM slavs, TBH.

[Crn Volk]

another proof he was albanian.

I'm convinced

[Queen B]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pileus_(hat)
This.

[Shqipez]

This.

I already know this. read the OP. it says clearly that I know this hat was used in ancient greece and illyria. the name is also similar in both greek and albanian. is the word greek or albanian in origin?

My question is why is it only used by Albanians today? and why is the shape used by ancient greeks as seen in pictures, the same as Albanian Gegs but not as Tosks who are closesr geographically to greeks? My question is was this hat originally greek or Illyrian? This hat being Greek in origin doesn't make sense. my whole point is it's most likely Illyrian in origin. Thracians, tradionally seen as cousins of illyrians had a similar cap hat or whatever, but it was more similar to the phrygian one.

[Highlands]

I'm convinced

Why are you getting excited as if he could be fyromian