Can a Kurdistan stabilize the Middle East?

[poiuytrewq0987]

It seems to me that a powerful, actually secular (unlike Turkey and its latent Islamism) Kurdish republic in the middle of the Middle East can help stabilize the region. A Kurdistan would have 392,000 km of territory and a population of nearly 30 million so they'd be a very significant force. It also helps that their armies are far more effective than Syrian and Iraqi forces.

[poiuytrewq0987]

http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/kurdistan1us0q5z8d.jpg

[aksakallicocuk]

They are very tribal and diverse. Currently seperatism unifies them but they will start to kill each other in 5 years after independence.

[aksakallicocuk]

http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/kurdistan1us0q5z8d.jpg

Thats far too big.
http://i.hizliresim.com/0qoLmD.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/0qoLmD)

[Profileid]

http://www.lajme.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kurdistan.jpg

[Kamal900]

http://www.lajme.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kurdistan.jpg

I think Armenia should take its former lands back in eastern Turkey AKA western Armenia.

[Shah-Jehan]

I think people should just enjoy life.

[Musso]

A independent Kurdistan would greatly change the balance of power in the ME. It would weaken Turkey to a great degree, and strengthen Israel. It would also be a safe haven for Christians of the ME.

[gültekin]

It seems to me that a powerful, actually secular (unlike Turkey and its latent Islamism) Kurdish republic in the middle of the Middle East can help stabilize the region. A Kurdistan would have 392,000 km of territory and a population of nearly 30 million so they'd be a very significant force. It also helps that their armies are far more effective than Syrian and Iraqi forces.
in which parallel universe ?
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In the case of FGM, the Iraqi-German nongovernmental organization WADI estimates that around 72% of adult women in Iraqi Kurdistan have undergone the operation.
http://kurdistantribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/FGM.jpg
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/04/iraq-kurdistan-draft-amendment-violence-women-law.html##ixzz3XvpNUYEU
http://www.stopfgmkurdistan.org/img/fgm_report03.jpg

Arbil (Iraq) | Berlin: On the occasion of the International Action Day against Female Genital Mutilation, a representative empirical study on »Female Genital Mutilation in Iraqi-Kurdistan« is going to be presented on February 6. A 40 page report summarizes the results of a one-and-a-half year empirical study conducted by the German relief organization WADI. The numbers presented in the report are alarming: A vast majority of women in Iraqi-Kurdistan have undergone FGM with some regions reaching a top ratio of more than 80 percent.
http://www.stopfgmkurdistan.org/
Berdel - a Kurdish tradition known as sister swapping and parallel weddings

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?158711-Berdel-a-Kurdish-tradition-known-as-sister-swapping-and-parallel-weddings%26%238232%3B
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In Kurdistan, a widowed woman stays with her husband's family. If she is widowed when her children are young, she is obliged to marry her deceased husband's brother. This form of marriage is called levirate. Sororate is another custom: When a man loses his wife before she bears a child or she dies leaving young children, her lineage provides another wife to the man, usually a younger sister with a lowered bride-price. Both levirate and sororate are practiced to guarantee the well being of children and ensure that any inheritance of land will stay within the family.

Read more: Kurdish Families - Kurdish Marriage Patterns - Gender, Family, History, Marriages, and Family - JRank Articles http://family.jrank.org/pages/1026/K...#ixzz3SAdKsQAT

[Profileid]

I think people should just enjoy life.

Fighting is more fun.

[Profileid]

A independent Kurdistan would greatly change the balance of power in the ME. It would weaken Turkey to a great degree, and strengthen Israel. It would also be a safe haven for Christians of the ME.

How would it strengthen Israel?

[aksakallicocuk]

http://www.lajme.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kurdistan.jpg

Wow. 2 countries with Turkish majority instead of one.

http://i.hizliresim.com/GYOoGy.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/GYOoGy)

[aksakallicocuk]

A independent Kurdistan would greatly change the balance of power in the ME. It would weaken Turkey to a great degree, and strengthen Israel. It would also be a safe haven for Christians of the ME.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXh87qceYc

Most of the Kurdish terrorities are not very different from middleages. That doesn't weakens the Turkey, actually boosts Turkey.

[Profileid]

Wow. 2 countries with Turkish majority instead of one.

http://i.hizliresim.com/GYOoGy.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/GYOoGy)

Fair enough.Kurdish majority areas of "Turkey" should be given over to the Kurds then.

[Pennywise]

Fighting is more fun.

oh really :rolleyes: in your long life period, how many times did you actually "fight" with something?

[Pennywise]

I think Armenia should take its former lands back in eastern Turkey AKA western Armenia.

I agree. They should try. I would really like to see it.

[Profileid]

oh really :rolleyes: in your long life period, how many times did you actually "fight" with something?

I battle an onslaught off spastic Turks all day erryday.
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/a-ok-sign-431.jpg

[Pennywise]

I battle an onslaught off spastic Turks all day erryday.
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/a-ok-sign-431.jpg

What an idiot girl... probably you hanging out too much in forums like stormfront or etc. I bet you didn't even meet with a Turkish person IRL.

[denz]

In the WW1, same game had been played for Greeks and Armenians, now for Kurd.

Yet, Turkey and Iran not say their words. Not only north Iraq and Syria is destabilized now but whole middle east is chaotic and everything should count, every type of alliance, wide range of military options ...

[Mortimer]

nothing against kurds but i prefer turkey in its current borders, turkey is a rival to europeans so thats why they want to weaken them, turkey should unify the islamic world

[Partizan]

I think Armenia should take its former lands back in eastern Turkey AKA western Armenia.

I still can't understand why many Turks see you Palestinians as "brothers in religion", even sacrifice their lifes for you(last example: Blue Marmara)...

[Pennywise]

I still can't understand why many Turks see you Palestinians as "brothers in religion", even sacrifice their lifes for you(last example: Blue Marmara)...

do not take that immigrant fatass as an ordinary palestinian.

[Böri]

They have US support, this is why Pkk makes gains against Isis and deport non-Kurds from the areas they invade in Northern Syria. But it will fail in the end.

[mikhail]

lol, independent Kurdistan xD Then what, they'll start murdering each other in tribal wars? They'll start clubbing each other to death over who gets dibs on all the best rocks? Would cannibalism be the country's national dish? It would be funny to watch though, but it would still be inhumane.

Such a state would be the backwater of the entire Eurasia, and it would be more trouble than it's worth. Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey all do a fine job in administrating the Kurdish provinces, I think political autonomy is the most that should be done, outright independence would be a mistake because dumb tribesman can't run a state. What would be the state motto? "Hurr! Ooga booga, me beat you club with!"

[Pahli]

nothing against kurds but i prefer turkey in its current borders, turkey is a rival to europeans so thats why they want to weaken them, turkey should unify the islamic world

They shouldn't, and they should definitely keep us out of it if they even succeeded.

[zhaoyun]

Not in the short term. But I do believe they have a right to exist as a sovereign state.

[Musso]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXh87qceYc

Most of the Kurdish terrorities are not very different from middleages. That doesn't weakens the Turkey, actually boosts Turkey.

It weakens Turkey in terms of taking away physical territory in a strategic location. There are also oil interests that Kurds would obtain.

[Musso]

How would it strengthen Israel?

Kurds and Israel have a friendly relationship, so Israel would have an ally in a key part of the region.

[Profileid]

Kurds and Israel have a friendly relationship, so Israel would have an ally in a key part of the region.

I just imagine the Kurds fall short of saying they want to do some jihad shit on Israel in order to continue getting money from the U.S.

[N1019]

No

Were an independent Kurdistan to be established, it would not be for the stability of the region overall, although it would no doubt offer stability for the Kurds themselves. It would be on terms set by the imperial powers, i.e. the US, another move in their game of geopolitical chess. The Anglo-American Empire rules the MENA region by manipulated instability.

[meisje]

:picard2:

[StonyArabia]

No people who are clueless about the Middle East, don't understand that tribalism is the major cause for the instability in the region. Religious and ethnic differences are often secondary. For example if Southern Iraq became a nation, the tribes there would fight each other instead of the other groups. Iran also underestimate the tribal differences within the Shia Arab population. That means even if Kurdistan appears, there would not be much of stabilization. Western Iraq will continue shift toward the Gulf and Jordanian orbit in the process like many people in Southern Syria aka the Badia, who often have always preferred the Hashamite rulers, who only continue to rule Jordan. So if Kurdistan appears or not, it would not be much of difference, however it will only weaken Turkey in the process.

[Pahli]

No people who are clueless about the Middle East, don't understand that tribalism is the major cause for the instability in the region. Religious and ethnic differences are often secondary. For example if Southern Iraq became a nation, the tribes there would fight each other instead of the other groups. Iran also underestimate the tribal differences within the Shia Arab population. That means even if Kurdistan appears, there would not be much of stabilization. Western Iraq will continue shift toward the Gulf and Jordanian orbit in the process like many people in Southern Syria aka the Badia, who often have always preferred the Hashamite rulers, who only continue to rule Jordan. So if Kurdistan appears or not, it would not be much of difference, however it will only weaken Turkey in the process.

There will always be a shia-sunni conflict, like the one in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria. With the removal of the Islamic government in Iran, we can hopefully cut a lot of support to these shi'ite militias ... they're a threat to sunni muslims and Kurds.

[i'llseeyouinhell]

http://www.lajme.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kurdistan.jpg

How funny kid are you :)

[mikhail]

There will always be a shia-sunni conflict, like the one in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria. With the removal of the Islamic government in Iran, we can hopefully cut a lot of support to these shi'ite militias ... they're a threat to sunni muslims and Kurds.

So? Who the fuck cares about the well being of other people xD

As long as the Persians like their Islamic government (which they do), why should it be removed? Because it's a threat to some irrelevant foreigner? Who cares? That's just dumb.

[i'llseeyouinhell]

I think Armenia should take its former lands back in eastern Turkey AKA western Armenia.

look that arab :D

[Pahli]

So? Who the fuck cares about the well being of other people xD

As long as the Persians like their Islamic government (which they do), why should it be removed? Because it's a threat to some irrelevant foreigner? Who cares? That's just dumb.

I, along with all the ethnic groups in Iran wants the Islamic government removed. They don't like it, and they got their ass beaten when they protested against the government.

[Halgurd]

No it wouldn't. The middle east is much too big.

But it doesn't matter. An independent Kurdistan will happen, and then real progress for Kurds can occur. Minorities of Kurdistan, such as Assyrians, will finally be able to live in peace without fear of being killed or targeted by jihadists. An independent Kurdistan will stabilize Kurdistan, but not the entire Middle East.

We will still have the Israel Palestine conflict for example.

[N1019]

As long as the Persians like their Islamic government (which they do), why should it be removed?

Lol yeah, it's amazing what people will say when they fear imprisonment or execution on trumped up charges for speaking against their government.

On the other hand, many Iranians do have the courage to speak ill of their leaders on the streets. However, they know what will happen if they push too hard. Bullets will fly and heads will roll, as happened immediately after the revolution, when people realised the mess they had helped create, and intermittently ever since. Having said that, the current regime probably will have to continue making incremental accommodations of modernity to stave off trouble. Whether that will keep them in power or not remains to be seen, but suffice to say that Iran's troubles are far from over.

Sayings like, "in Iran, everyone hates the government, including the government" didn't emerge for no reason.

Back to Kurdistan, I wish the Kurds all the best. In many respects, I like the idea of an independent Kurdistan. The trouble is, the nation states in control of Kurdish territory don't. If the US wants it to happen, it will, but it will not stabilise the Middle East.

[Anglojew]

Yes, there will be a Kurd, Berber, Maronite, Druze, Azeri, Israeli alliance.

[mikhail]

I, along with all the ethnic groups in Iran wants the Islamic government removed. They don't like it, and they got their ass beaten when they protested against the government.

Good. Most real Persians (the ethnic group Iran belongs to) seem to support the Islamic government. Who cares what the non-Persians of Iran think?

[Pahli]

Good. Most real Persians (the ethnic group Iran belongs to) seem to support the Islamic government. Who cares what the non-Persians of Iran think?

Persians don't support it either. Only a fraction of the population supports it.

[mikhail]

Persians don't support it either. Only a fraction of the population supports it.

How do you know?

[Pahli]

How do you know?

Because I know a lot of them, and many are against it. Most Persians want a secular government, and not these assholes ruling it. Thats why there was a lot of protests a few years ago, but the government quelled it.

[mikhail]

Because I know a lot of them, and many are against it. Most Persians want a secular government, and not these assholes ruling it. Thats why there was a lot of protests a few years ago, but the government quelled it.

How many what, Persian immigrants? xD

Defectors, silly people, they left because they don't like it, those who like it stay.

[Pahli]

How many what, Persian immigrants? xD

Defectors, silly people, they left because they don't like it, those who like it stay.

They can't speak publicly about this, they'll get executed lol. Also, why leave? Its their home country, they may be able to topple the government one day.

[Profileid]

How funny kid are you :)

I'm sure the Kurds and Greeks will be kind rulers!

[Armenian Bishop]

Yes, there will be a Kurd, Berber, Maronite, Druze, Azeri, Israeli alliance.

Azerbaijan has unfailingly produced a reputation for a dismally poor human rights record. Azerbaijan's president has made numerous bellicose threats against its Armenian neighbor. Do you really want your country, Israel, to be in bed with Azerbaijan?

From 2014 Human Rights Watch Report: "The Azerbaijani government’s poor record on freedom of expression, assembly, and association dramatically deteriorated during the year. The authorities arrested dozens of political activists on bogus charges, imprisoned critical journalists, broke up several peaceful public demonstrations, and adopted legislation that further restricted fundamental freedoms."

http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014/country-chapters/azerbaijan

[Linebacker]

There is a big motherfucking problem in the way of any ideas like that and its called the big ass Turkish army.

Turks have one of the most powerful armies in NATO and THE most powerful army in the middle east.And its not just numbers,its also technology.I myself am pretty happy to have them on our side.

I also had a big laugh at a picture posted in the first page about how Greece has 50% of Turkey's territory.Without foreign intervention,the Turkish army can annex Greece in less than 24 hours.

[Pennywise]

There is a big motherfucking problem in the way of any ideas like that and its called the big ass Turkish army.

Turks have one of the most powerful armies in NATO and THE most powerful army in the middle east.And its not just numbers,its also technology.I myself am pretty happy to have them on our side.

I also had a big laugh at a picture posted in the first page about how Greece has 50% of Turkey's territory.Without foreign intervention,the Turkish army can annex Greece in less than 24 hours.

This is Apricty mate. Even Armenians are challenging us :)

[Infinite]

What a fun dreamland for loosers

[gültekin]

No it wouldn't. The middle east is much too big.

But it doesn't matter. An independent Kurdistan will happen, and then real progress for Kurds can occur. Minorities of Kurdistan, such as Assyrians, will finally be able to live in peace without fear of being killed or targeted by jihadists. An independent Kurdistan will stabilize Kurdistan, but not the entire Middle East.

We will still have the Israel Palestine conflict for example.


http://aranews.net/2015/05/yezidi-man-stoned-to-death-in-iraqi-kurdistan-community-demands-justice/
Dohuk, Iraqi Kurdistan – A Yezidi organization said in a statement on Tuesday that the Yezidi citizen Musa Temmo was stoned and then shot dead in the city of Sulaymaniyah in the Iraqi Kurdistan last Sunday.

The victim was working as a guard in a construction company in Sulaymaniyah.

The movement of “Yezidis Across the World” issued a statement, of which ARA News received a copy, saying: “Obviously the heinous crime was carried out against Temmo on religious basis, and perpetrators are most likely co-workers, for the location is under security protection and cannot be penetrated easily unless someone passes through the checkpoints.”

The statement called on the judicial authorities in the Kurdistan Region to arrest the perpetrators as soon as possible to be tried publicly in sessions open to the media.



The movement’s statement also demanded to hold responsible all the Salafist clerics and imams who call for hatred and extremism in the Kurdistan Region. “Some clerics describe the Yezidis and Christians as apostates, demanding their killing,” according to the statement.

Speaking to ARA News, the writer and human rights activist and member of the movement, Dr. Saeed Seydo, said that the crime was carried out Sunday in a place that is well-fenced and can’t be easily accessed.

“According to M.N. (victim’s friend), the victim (Temmo) was threatened, humiliated and demanded to convert to Islam,” Seydo added, pointing out that the Yezidi young man was intending to leave his work next week.

“It’s not the first time that Yezidi workers are insulted, beaten, and even killed. There are many cases that took place in previous years in Iraq and the Kurdistan Region, but this crime exceeded the brutality of all other crimes, as the perpetrators stoned the victim with rocks and one of them shot the victim in the mouth,” Seydo said.

The source pointed out that the company, where the incident took place, is trying to prevent media from approaching the scene of the crime.

In the meantime, the MP in the Iraqi Parliament for the Yezidi community, Vian Dakhil, demanded on Tuesday the local authorities in the city of Sulaymaniyah in the Kurdistan Region to carry out an immediate investigation on the killing of the Yezidi man and uncover the circumstances of the incident to the public.

“We sadly received the news of the young Yezidi man’s death who was working as a guard for a company near the headquarters of a prominent political figure in the city of Sulaymaniyah. He was killed after being mercilessly rocked,” the MP said in a statement posted online.

“As we trust the judicial system in the Kurdistan Region, we stress the importance of punishing all those involved in this heinous crime, whether perpetrators or instigators, compensating the victim’s family in accordance with the laws,” she added.

Dozens of Yezidis demonstrated in the refugee camp of Issia in the city of Dohuk on Monday in protest against the killing of the young man Musa Temmo.

[Infinite]

There is a big motherfucking problem in the way of any ideas like that and its called the big ass Turkish army.

Turks have one of the most powerful armies in NATO and THE most powerful army in the middle east.And its not just numbers,its also technology.I myself am pretty happy to have them on our side.

I also had a big laugh at a picture posted in the first page about how Greece has 50% of Turkey's territory.Without foreign intervention,the Turkish army can annex Greece in less than 24 hours.

Dont destroy people's dreams man.

[N1019]

How many what, Persian immigrants? xD

Defectors, silly people, they left because they don't like it, those who like it stay.


You should go to Iran and talk to the locals about it. You'll find all kinds... some who won't speak evil of it, but among the young members of the working/middle classes in particular (who essentially make up the majority of the population) you won't hear too many positive words. That was my experience, admittedly limited but consistent with what you can learn on the internet. The people tend to be united by nationalist fervour against external threats but that doesn't mean they are particularly fond of the government. Mind you, I don't have too many positive words to say about Australian politics, but I have some respect for the system; at least I can publicly criticise it without being locked up - I hope.

To suggest that everyone who dislikes their government will leave the country is removed from reality... it's also one of many rubbish lines peddled by the Iranian government. With high unemployment, low wages and unwelcome passport credentials, average Iranians aren't exactly well equipped to leave their homeland even if they want to.

[N1019]

There is a big motherfucking problem in the way of any ideas like that and its called the big ass Turkish army.




The stateless Kurds are a useful tool for the empire in its effort to rule through manipulation and destabilisation. The US and allies can offer and withdraw support for the Kurds at will, as they have done in the past, leading to a tragic cycle of uprisings and massacres. Would a Kurdish state offer more benefits to the empire than the leverage the stateless Kurds currently provide? A Kurdish state could be part of the long term plan. If that Kurdish state happens to include a chunk of Turkish territory, I wonder what might happen. Given their close ties to the US and NATO, I'm not sure the Turks would be in a great position to stop it. That's a tough one. Maybe it wouldn't include the entire Kurdish area, just parts of Syria and Iraq. There's also the Iranian Kurdish region, which could be another hurdle - or an opportunity, i.e. part of the same long-term plan to tighten the imperial grip on the region.

[i'llseeyouinhell]

There is a big motherfucking problem in the way of any ideas like that and its called the big ass Turkish army.

Turks have one of the most powerful armies in NATO and THE most powerful army in the middle east.And its not just numbers,its also technology.I myself am pretty happy to have them on our side.

I also had a big laugh at a picture posted in the first page about how Greece has 50% of Turkey's territory.Without foreign intervention,the Turkish army can annex Greece in less than 24 hours.

Thanks man whatever you beileve someone has a brain there :thumb001:

[i'llseeyouinhell]

I'm sure the Kurds and Greeks will be kind rulers!

You make me laugh sis :D oww kurds right what a great race can you tell me one kurdish empire or state from the history? fucking donkey and aunt fuckers

[Infinite]

The stateless Kurds are a useful tool for the empire in its effort to rule through manipulation and destabilisation. The US and allies can offer and withdraw support for the Kurds at will, as they have done in the past, leading to a tragic cycle of uprisings and massacres. Would a Kurdish state offer more benefits to the empire than the leverage the stateless Kurds currently provide? A Kurdish state could be part of the long term plan. If that Kurdish state happens to include a chunk of Turkish territory, I wonder what might happen. Given their close ties to the US and NATO, I'm not sure the Turks would be in a great position to stop it. That's a tough one. Maybe it wouldn't include the entire Kurdish area, just parts of Syria and Iraq. There's also the Iranian Kurdish region, which could be another hurdle - or an opportunity, i.e. part of the same long-term plan to tighten the imperial grip on the region.

Kurds are claiming everything from nothing, from antep to kars, like a joke. They spread like bugs to cities and claim them. None kurdish country existed in history, yet they want to have 1/4 of Turkey, like a joke. Do you know which cities are biggest kurdish cities? Istanbul and Izmir probably. How long we will wait until they claim these cities too?

[Infinite]

Kurds are communist btw. Communist state in Middle East. This is something world didnt see yet rofl

[Alially]

See the lastest level Kurdish borders, with high fertity it is going to have bigger area

[Infinite]

See the lastest level Kurdish borders, with high fertity it is going to have bigger area

It means nothing. HDP had Azeri pm in Kars, so Azeris also voted for HDP. What HDP did wasnt Kurdish nationalism but trying to get all love from every other nationality . Kurd,zaza,armenian,azeri,arab etc.

[N1019]

Kurds are claiming everything from nothing, from antep to kars, like a joke. They spread like bugs to cities and claim them. None kurdish country existed in history, yet they want to have 1/4 of Turkey, like a joke. Do you know which cities are biggest kurdish cities? Istanbul and Izmir probably. How long we will wait until they claim these cities too?

The Kurds want Istanbul and Izmir? Having visited both I can understand why they might want to, but surely the Greeks have more reason to claim those areas... the extra land might help their economy haha... I shouldn't worry too much about the Kurds just yet.

[Infinite]

The Kurds want Istanbul and Izmir? Having visited both I can understand why they might want to, but surely the Greeks have more reason to claim those areas... the extra land might help their economy haha... I shouldn't worry too much about the Kurds just yet.

Of course no. But biggest Kurdish population is living in Istanbul and Izmir since these are big cities. I was just meaning a city is not Kurdish just because population is Kurdish. My family are from Kars and Azerbaijani origin. Kars had 1/3 Turkmen, 1/3 Kurd and 1/3 Azeri population. But now Kurds are making so many child that they think places like Kars, Ardahan etc are Kurdish cities. Just meaning if its like this why they dont claim Istanbul?

Of course my words to these stupid Iranian Kurds, no offence they dont know shit about Turkey and talking trash. They should learn Turkish and know their people better than this. Also Iran is No:1 against Kurdistan before Turkey. Dreams man, dreams

[N1019]

Of course no. But biggest Kurdish population is living in Istanbul and Izmir since these are big cities. I was just meaning a city is not Kurdish just because population is Kurdish. My family are from Kars and Azerbaijani origin. Kars had 1/3 Turkmen, 1/3 Kurd and 1/3 Azeri population. But now Kurds are making so many child that they think places like Kars, Ardahan etc are Kurdish cities. Just meaning if its like this why they dont claim Istanbul?

Of course my words to these stupid Iranian Kurds, no offence they dont know shit about Turkey and talking trash. They should learn Turkish and know their people better than this. Also Iran is No:1 against Kurdistan before Turkey. Dreams man, dreams

Yes I see what you mean.

Oh, this post Ottoman patchwork is such a mess!

The "stupidity" of Iranian Kurds will probably be put to the test sooner or later, so we'll see.

[Infinite]

Yes I see what you mean.

Oh, this post Ottoman patchwork is such a mess!

The "stupidity" of Iranian Kurds will probably be put to the test sooner or later, so we'll see.

I just hope they take their people to their so called homelands if they managed to create Kurdistan. I don't want to see one Kurd left here if they fight with "people" of Turkey.

[Alially]

It means nothing. HDP had Azeri pm in Kars, so Azeris also voted for HDP. What HDP did wasnt Kurdish nationalism but trying to get all love from every other nationality . Kurd,zaza,armenian,azeri,arab etc.

Azeris are voting to HDP!
Kurd are making 5 or 8 babies which azeris and Turks making 2. Therefore this is so normal kurds are majority in Iğdır and Kars where 10 years ago kurds were minority
And in next 10 years, kurds will gain more cities if Turks continue to have low fertility

[Böri]

Azeris are voting to HDP!
Kurd are making 5 or 8 babies which azeris and Turks making 2. Therefore this is so normal kurds are majority in Iğdır and Kars where 10 years ago kurds were minority
And in next 10 years, kurds will gain more cities if Turks continue to have low fertility

When a nation loses its fertility rate, it's highly unlikely it recovers later. Kurds can one day be majority in this country.

[Pennywise]

Azeris are voting to HDP!
Kurd are making 5 or 8 babies which azeris and Turks making 2. Therefore this is so normal kurds are majority in Iğdır and Kars where 10 years ago kurds were minority
And in next 10 years, kurds will gain more cities if Turks continue to have low fertility

Don't worry. We are preparing to replace Germany.

[Alially]

When a nation loses its fertility rate, it's highly unlikely it recovers later. Kurds can one day be majority in this country.

Exactly

[jackrussell]

A greater Kurdistan is the dream that is being sold to Kurds by emperial powers , just like Greater Albania or Greater Arabia dream about 100 years ago or more .

Kurds who are supported bu Iran will end up fighting against their own kin ( Barzani ) , inevitably.

I fear that this ambition of Kurds to create a government & country for themselves will end up in huge blood shed for themselves .

Of course the colonialists will be busy financing the war and selling weapons to all sides , as usual .