My DNA Tribes Results

[Costas]

Are these results very typical for a Latino?

http://i.imgur.com/3sN1apr.png

http://i.imgur.com/CV0PHV6.png

http://i.imgur.com/t9hp7OW.png

http://i.imgur.com/Aybnhhu.png

[Tooting Carmen]

Interesting how you have more NW Euro than Iberian, and nearly as much Levantine as Iberian...

[Mortimer]

judging from your native results you are harnizo-castizo inbetween those range. passes in the typical range for latinos.

[Costas]

Interesting how you have more NW Euro than Iberian, and nearly as much Levantine as Iberian...

Yeah that's what I found weird.

Why could that be?

I thought most Latinos would have Spanish - Portuguese as our main European component.

[Costas]

judging from your native results you are harnizo-castizo inbetween those range. passes in the typical range for latinos.

What does "harnizo" mean?

[Mortimer]

What does "harnizo" mean?

less amerindian then mestizo more amerindian then castizo, a mestizo is half native american, a castizo is a quarter

[Gaston]

Congrats.
Only your non-West Eurasian scores are more or less accurate (all should be actual Native American). Not much of African ancestry but it's there hidden, somewhere, like in all Hispanics.
You should focus on the MDS/PCA plots, they're less inaccurate.


Interesting how you have more NW Euro than Iberian, and nearly as much Levantine as Iberian...

It's blatantly inaccurate.

It seems Native American ancestry makes New Worlders often score more NW Euro than Iberian, because Northern Euros have much more ANE admixture than Iberians (sometimes twice as much). Levantine is what's left of Iberian when scrapped from its more Euro-specific flavour (although I'd have expected something North African-like instead), a leftover in a way.

[Costas]

Congrats.
Only your non-West Eurasian scores are more or less accurate (all should be actual Native American). Not much of African ancestry but it's there hidden, somewhere, like in all Hispanics.
You should focus on the MDS/PCA plots, they're less inaccurate.

It's blatantly inaccurate.

It seems Native American ancestry makes New Worlders often score more NW Euro than Iberian, because Northern Euros have much more ANE admixture than Iberians (sometimes twice as much). Levantine is what's left of Iberian when scrapped from its more Euro-specific flavour (although I'd have expected something North African-like instead), a leftover in a way.

Umm I don't know where you got that from but actually not all Hispanics have African ancestry.

Do you think all the NW European and the Levantine are actually Iberian then? I think it's very plausible, although I'm still curious about "NW European + Central European" adding to more than "Iberian + Basque".

For instance, take this Mexican - American's results – http://dnatribes.com/sample-results/dnatribes-snp-sample-june2014-mexican-american.pdf his Southern Euro is a lot higher than his Northern Euro, which is what I'd expect for most Latinos. That's what I found weird about my results – the fact that a place as random as "Cornwall West Britain" would show up first.

[Mortimer]

DNA Tribes is very ambigous and broad with the component labels dont take it literally. Do you know your ancestry?

[Gaston]

Umm I don't know where you got that from but actually not all Hispanics have African ancestry.

Do you think all the NW European and the Levantine are actually Iberian then? I think it's very plausible, although I'm still curious about "NW European + Central European" adding to more than "Iberian + Basque".

For instance, take this Mexican - American's results – http://dnatribes.com/sample-results/dnatribes-snp-sample-june2014-mexican-american.pdf his Southern Euro is a lot higher than his Northern Euro, which is what I'd expect for most Latinos. That's what I found weird about my results – the fact that a place as random as "Cornwall West Britain" would show up first.

Yes I'm sure ALL Hispanics have African admixture. Mexicans for instance are on average 2-3% African. I base my statements on the results of hundreds of Hispanics at 23andme plus academic papers (you can google them).


And yes, as I said, your Native American ancestry is skewing the results because Native Americans are highly Ancient North Eurasian -admixed (~40%, it peaks in them nowadays) and this ANE ancestry is much higher in Northern Europe than Iberia.
This is also why you get random Northern European populations as top matches, it's because of your high ANE admixture that mimics the one found in North Europeans.

Alson since you're mixed Mexican + Argentine, it's even less likely that you have North European ancestry because it would mean 1) Northern Euro contributed to both Mexicans and Argentinians, which is highly unlikely, or 2) that one of you Latino side is entirely Northern Euro when considering only the Euro side (which is impossible).

[Costas]

DNA Tribes is very ambigous and broad with the component labels dont take it literally. Do you know your ancestry?

Yeah Spanish + British (probably also a bit of Native American even though it doesn't show on his phenotype) on my father's side and Spanish + Native American on my mother's.

[Costas]

Yes I'm sure ALL Hispanics have African admixture. Mexicans for instance are on average 2-3% African. I base my statements on the results of hundreds of Hispanics at 23andme plus academic papers (you can google them).


And yes, as I said, your Native American ancestry is skewing the results because Native Americans are highly Ancient North Eurasian -admixed (~40%, it peaks in them nowadays) and this ANE ancestry is much higher in Northern Europe than Iberia.
This is also why you get random Northern European populations as top matches, it's because of your high ANE admixture that mimics the one found in North Europeans.

Alson since you're mixed Mexican + Argentine, it's even less likely that you have North European ancestry because it would mean 1) Northern Euro contributed to both Mexicans and Argentinians, which is highly unlikely, or 2) that one of you Latino side is entirely Northern Euro when considering only the Euro side (which is impossible).
There are countries like Argentina, Uruguay, Chile or even Bolivia where many people do not have African admixture. That is a fact. I think it is very "drastic" of you to say that absolutely ALL Hispanics have African ancestry.

Your explanation makes sense though, thank you so much. I do have Northern European ancestry on my father's side, but yeah as you say, it's not as big as DNA Tribes seems to show.

[Carlito's Way]

take 23andme, ancestrydna or familytreedna, those are better companies

[Brianna]

take 23andme, ancestrydna or familytreedna, those are better companies

I agree with Carlos on the first and the third, but I'm not sold on the second. I think that 23andme is the best choice right now.

[Costas]

Thanks guys!

[Argentano]

Yes I'm sure ALL Hispanics have African admixture. Mexicans for instance are on average 2-3% African. I base my statements on the results of hundreds of Hispanics at 23andme plus academic papers (you can google them).


And yes, as I said, your Native American ancestry is skewing the results because Native Americans are highly Ancient North Eurasian -admixed (~40%, it peaks in them nowadays) and this ANE ancestry is much higher in Northern Europe than Iberia.
This is also why you get random Northern European populations as top matches, it's because of your high ANE admixture that mimics the one found in North Europeans.

Alson since you're mixed Mexican + Argentine, it's even less likely that you have North European ancestry because it would mean 1) Northern Euro contributed to both Mexicans and Argentinians, which is highly unlikely, or 2) that one of you Latino side is entirely Northern Euro when considering only the Euro side (which is impossible).


1) Argentine population is not homogeneous...there is not a average argentine

2) I have made a chart with 23andme results i have 85 results but this thread was made when i was at 79:

-White Argentines score 0.4% African
-White Argentines score 12.9% Northern Euro
-White Argentines were majority of the sample (totally random)


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?175501-Argentine-23andme-results-and-analysis

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/cmv_88/23andme/23andme%20arg%2079_zpst2rc1vud.png~original


3)My Argentine 23andme results chart is the biggest i have seen on the internet...my data should be the most reliable regarding 23andme

[Gaston]

1) Argentine population is not homogeneous...there is not a average argentine

2) I have made a chart with 23andme results i have 85 results but this thread was made when i was at 79:

-White Argentines score 0.4% African
-White Argentines score 12.9% Northern Euro
-White Argentines were majority of the sample (totally random)


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?175501-Argentine-23andme-results-and-analysis

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/cmv_88/23andme/23andme%20arg%2079_zpst2rc1vud.png~original


3)My Argentine 23andme results chart is the biggest i have seen on the internet...my data should be the most reliable regarding 23andme

This doesn't go against my statement. All Hispanics should sould be African admixed, considering Iberians are African-admixed to begin with. The only ones who wouldn't score any African are "pure" Native Americans.

As for Argentina, the fact your sample is mostly white is expected since white people are usually richer and can afford tests like 23andme. White Argentinians have European levels of African ancestry or less than Iberians because they are mixed with other Euros and to a lesser extent mixing with Native Americans.

Mestizo and Castizo Argentinians have higher African ancestry, comparable or higher than Europeans, which is obviously the sign of direct West African ancestry.

[Petalpusher]

This doesn't go against my statement. All Hispanics should sould be African admixed, considering Iberians are African-admixed to begin with. The only ones who wouldn't score any African are "pure" Native Americans.

As for Argentina, the fact your sample is mostly white is expected since white people are usually richer and can afford tests like 23andme. White Argentinians have European levels of African ancestry or less than Iberians because they are mixed with other Euros and to a lesser extent mixing with Native Americans.

Mestizo and Castizo Argentinians have higher African ancestry, comparable or higher than Europeans, which is obviously the sign of direct West African ancestry.

Also accounting that the African score of 23andme doesn't reflect the real % if there's MENA in the AC, which embed some. It seems 23andme has a similar model than k8 because based on the last results i ve seen, it is embedding exactly 20% of SSA and East African in the N.African. It matches perfectly with k8 or when you run k13 for instance.

if the average for South American on 23 is 0.4 but they score 10% MENA, it might be more like 1.5-2% depending if it's more N.African or middle east.

[Gaston]

Also accounting that the African score of 23andme doesn't reflect the real % if there's MENA in the AC, which embed some. It seems 23andme has a similar model than k8 because based on the last results i ve seen, it is embedding exactly 20% of SSA and East African in the N.African. It matches perfectly with k8 or when you run k13 for instance.

if the average for South American on 23 is 0.4 but they score 10% MENA, it might be more like 1.5-2% depending if it's more N.African or middle east.

Well, yes, I've always said 23andme is bollocks.

If an Iberian is similar enough to the reference population, he/she will get 100% European/100% Iberian @23andme despite the fact there is clear N. African ancestry in Iberia, N. African ancestry being itself ~1/5 African/Non-Eurasian.

As for the MENA ancestry in Hispanoamerica, it's obviously more N. African affiliated usually (from Iberia, and sometimes the Canaries), except in those with recent Lebanese ancestry.

[Argentano]

This doesn't go against my statement. All Hispanics should sould be African admixed, considering Iberians are African-admixed to begin with. The only ones who wouldn't score any African are "pure" Native Americans.

As for Argentina, the fact your sample is mostly white is expected since white people are usually richer and can afford tests like 23andme. White Argentinians have European levels of African ancestry or less than Iberians because they are mixed with other Euros and to a lesser extent mixing with Native Americans.

Mestizo and Castizo Argentinians have higher African ancestry, comparable or higher than Europeans, which is obviously the sign of direct West African ancestry.

Regarding the african admixture i just meant 0.4% SSA in "white argentines" 23andme results is irrelevant for southern euro standars..

Regarding the social class of the tested, there are national genetic tests done in Argentina (free for the tested) where majority of the sample was less than 10% amerindian and would fall in my "white argentine" group...


http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/cmv_88/estudio2009_zps4ef86bdf.png (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/cmv_88/media/estudio2009_zps4ef86bdf.png.html)

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/cmv_88/suppinfo_zps39d8b67f.png (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/cmv_88/media/suppinfo_zps39d8b67f.png.html)


Or this for Buenos Aires...80% of the sample less than 10% amerindian

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/cmv_88/cbsas2012_zpsd8926133.jpg (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/cmv_88/media/cbsas2012_zpsd8926133.jpg.html)


Regarding mestizo argentine african ancestry i agree it comes from real african admixture....but i am trying to show you argentina is not homogeneous the same way USA is not homogeneous..

[Gooding]

I agree with Carlos on the first and the third, but I'm not sold on the second. I think that 23andme is the best choice right now.

Seconded. 23andMe goes after the areas your ancestors were from within the last 500 years. Ancestry and Family Tree go a few more years back.

[Argentano]

J
Also accounting that the African score of 23andme doesn't reflect the real % if there's MENA in the AC, which embed some. It seems 23andme has a similar model than k8 because based on the last results i ve seen, it is embedding exactly 20% of SSA and East African in the N.African. It matches perfectly with k8 or when you run k13 for instance.

if the average for South American on 23 is 0.4 but they score 10% MENA, it might be more like 1.5-2% depending if it's more N.African or middle east.

White argentines in my chart are 1% mena

[Petalpusher]

J

White argentines in my chart are 1% mena

I meant for South American in general. 1% for Whites Argentines sounds right.

[Petalpusher]

Well, yes, I've always said 23andme is bollocks.

If an Iberian is similar enough to the reference population, he/she will get 100% European/100% Iberian @23andme despite the fact there is clear N. African ancestry in Iberia, N. African ancestry being itself ~1/5 African/Non-Eurasian.

As for the MENA ancestry in Hispanoamerica, it's obviously more N. African affiliated usually (from Iberia, and sometimes the Canaries), except in those with recent Lebanese ancestry.

I think the AC is very dumb down for the public. If you tell everyone in Europe he is 20% "east med" instead of just "Italian" which is naturally embedding some as a nationality, like in a gedmatch run, it would raise too much eyebrows and need too much education on the side. In my opinion they really have an accurate calculator but you have to figure what is in each of the clusters.

[Costas]

Nice guys. I'll give 23andme a shot.

I actually uploaded this because I found weird that "West Britain" and "Lebanese Druze" would show up before "Basque Spain" in a Hispanic. I saw many Hispanics' results and they all seemed to have something Southern European or Native American as first component.

Ps: also, what's a Lebanese Druze anyway? Compared to a regular Lebanese I mean.