Two E-M78 and two J2-M172 samples found in a late Neolithic culture in Hungary

[Trojet]

Two E-M78 and two J2-M172 samples found in a late Neolithic culture in Hungary. The likeliest subclade candidates for these samples are E-V13 and J2b2, precisely the ones found at highest frequencies in the Balkans. If this is indeed the case, it would confirm that these two haplogroups were since at least the Neolithic in the Balkans.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2015/06/r1b-from-vucedol-period-hungary.html?m=1

[Thrax]

This is huge. So far there weren't any E-M78 samples from a neolithic sample in central Europe. This disproves anyone claiming that E came later in Europe.

[Thrax]

And J2 was there since the Neolithic as well. So it didn't spread in the Iron Age like the paper from Nature claimed.

[Trojet]

Most "experts" think that those J2 samples are J2b-L283 (J2b2), but I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out J2a. I hope we will know for sure and they won't leave us guessing.

[Trojet]

At this point we will not know for sure whether they indeed are E-V13s and J2b2s, as they seem to not have tested downstream of E-M78 and J-M172.
However as far as E haplogroup goes, E-V13 is all that's found in Europe, so it has to be E-V13s.

[safinator]

Interesting to say the least, despite that oldest E-V13 clade to be found is the one from Neolithic Spain.

[Trojet]

Interesting to say the least, despite that oldest E-V13 clade to be found is the one from Neolithic Spain.

These were two different Neolithic sites, one is called Sopot culture the other Lengyel culture from Western Hungary dated 6500-7000 ybp, and on each one of these they found E-M78 (E-V13?) and J-M172. In my opinion E-V13 was most likely present in SE Europe by 8000 ybp (The Spain sample is dated 7000 ybp). The same is probably true for J2b2, if indeed these samples turn out as such, but we may not know for sure in the near future as they were not tested downstream of J-M172 (J2).
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2015/06/r1b-from-vucedol-period-hungary.html?m=1