Middle Eastern Red Hair: What mutations produce it?

[Fire Haired]

http://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/456070968.jpg?w=580&h=378

In the last week I've read Academic studies online that discovered just a handful of mutations in the MC1R gene can explain over 90% of Red hair in Europe.

There's prove that Red hair exists in the Middle East, but as far as I know no one has ever tested whether Red hair outside of Europe is caused by the same mutations. If it is, it means Middle Eastern and European Red hair trace back to common ancestor.

So, what I'm asking is for non-Europeans to post their calls in "Red Hair" SNPs to see if they're carriers. And also if they know of Natural Red hair in their family or countries of origin. Here's a list of "Red Hair" SNPs (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dd8i-KNraJsYxgsZlXhX8MR48a4BdZ1tLx1i2mjH_wI/edit?usp=sharing). You can get results much faster for most of the "Red Hair" SNPs withthis(Just plug in your unzipped DNA file, and click on Hair Color, then genotype). (http://dna.frieger.com/calc-personal.php)An even faster way, if you tested with 23andme, is to search your Raw Data and get your calls for all MC1R SNPs tested.

Around 20-60% of North Europeans(Varies by ethnic group) are carriers of Red Hair, even though 1-10% have Red hair. So, even if though Red hair is very rare outside of Europe, carriers are probably not very rare.

[Fire Haired]

Red hair markers have been found in various Pre-Historic Europeans(Pre-Historic Carriers of Red Hair (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b9jirNZShY0Wnu0oARjd0LSimwynJNIfyzPXwGCDnq4/edit#gid=0)). Several are from 1,000s of years before the European gene pool formed, and from people who contributed ancestry to Europeans and Middle Easterns.

In my opinion Red hair first came about in Upper Paleolithic Eurasia in ANE/WHG related people. Kostenki 14 who lived 36,000 years ago having Red hair variant R151C and being closely related to later ANE/WHG is consistent with this idea. And the people it first arose in contributed ancestry to all West Eurasians. If you look at people living today, Red Hair looks like one of many depigmentation traits that appear to be Euro-specific.

But the Light skin in Redheads is caused by differnt mutations than the light skin in non-Redheads. Red hair existed in mostly Dark-skinned populations for over 4,000 years at least(Confirmed in Mesolithic Motala), maybe 30,000 years, before Europeans became uniformly Light skinned.

So, Red hair in the Middle East doesn't have to be explained by European-admixture. That's probably the conclusion some people would come to at first. Instead it is probably from a very distant common ancestor of Europeans and Middle Easterns. It's just random Red hair became more popular in Europe. By popular I mean 3% on average.

[Fire Haired]

Several Red hair Variants are found in Middle Eastern and South-Central Asians from HGDP, but not in Africa and East Asia.

rs1805007

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rs1805009

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[Profileid]

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[Peter Nirsch]

muslims use, and used to kidnap white people.

[Fire Haired]

The highest frequency of R151C(T rs1805007) is in Samartians.

http://alfred.med.yale.edu/alfred/SiteTable1A_working.asp?siteuid=SI663691F

The T allele has a frequency of 20.5% out of 78 samples. Most certainly have CT. The association between R151C and Red hair in Europeans has been proven, so there must be some Red hair among the Samartians. They're some of the most ENF of West Asians, with no signs of recent European admixture.

Red hair has been found in Samartians, but I don't know how common it is. Here are some examples I easily found in Google images.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4mk6yF7X_W_RibrxRT-1mEREq-6df63kawzOZnRM-ij294jG7
http://gallery.photowork.biz/Samaritan_Sukkot-22_10_10/images/image/shomronim7.JPG
http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn2/feeds/Associated%20Press/2014/04/14/876/493/Mideast%20Israel%20Palestinians%20Samaritans-4.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

He's in the background.
http://s28.postimg.org/u161ms3e5/Samaritans_Praying.jpg

[Era]

Several Red hair Variants are found in Middle Eastern and South-Central Asians from HGDP, but not in Africa and East Asia.

rs1805007

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rs1805008

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rs1805009

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Do you know the carrier for Europeans? I had CC, CC and GG for the above.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

"Several Red hair Variants are found in Middle Eastern and South-Central Asians from HGDP, but not in Africa and East Asia."

It must be a Caucasoid thing, then.

[themrdude1990]

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[Fire Haired]

"Several Red hair Variants are found in Middle Eastern and South-Central Asians from HGDP, but not in Africa and East Asia."

It must be a Caucasoid thing, then.

In ALFRED search a few Han had it. Could be the same mutation popping up twice, with R151C in Han having nothing to do with Red hair, or minor West Eurasian ancestry in Han. Chances of a Han popping up with two derived alleles in rs1805007(Red hair version) is like 0.00001%.

This Chinese girl is said to have been born with Red hair(according to this article (http://www.koanicsoul.com/blog/2012/07/18/the-forever-war-why-a-chinese-girl-has-red-hair/)).
http://i.imgur.com/zJLrj.jpg

[Fire Haired]

Do you know the carrier for Europeans? I had CC, CC and GG for the above.

There isn't a lot of data. So far the highest has been found in Ireland and Utah Americans.

[Fire Haired]

Do you know the carrier for Europeans? I had CC, CC and GG for the above.

The rsIDs listed on the pictures are the right ones. I listed other "Red hair" SNPs in the first post.All your calls look like they came from those rsIDs.

[Era]

The rsIDs listed on the pictures are the right ones. I listed other "Red hair" SNPs in the first post.All your calls look like they came from those rsIDs.

I can't see the pics, I just saw the SNP numbers your wrote.

[Era]

heh I do have it on one of them from the first post:

rs1110400

C or T



TT

Makes sense, both my parents were red haired and freckled as kids, also one of my brothers :)

[Pahli]

Hmm, I have family members with red hair & beard, this would also explain why my chin hair is mixed red and black hair xD

[Fire Haired]

Hmm, I have family members with red hair & beard, this would also explain why my chin hair is mixed red and black hair xD

Did you take a DNA test?

[Pahli]

Did you take a DNA test?

No, too expensive xD

[Proto-Shaman]

As far as I know there are even found several red haired mummies from Native South Americans. Red hair is even found among modern Papua New Guineans, Eastern Indonesians, Japanese, and Maoris from New Zealand.

[Dombra]

The ME was lighter in the past so it may have been present as an old Caucasoid gene but much of the red hair came from the ancient Iranics of central Asia.

Muslims loved to kidnap European women as well :curtain:

[Gaston]

What about Sardinians? They are one of the darkest Europeans when it comes to eye and hair color and it woud be interesting to see what variants are present in populations with the least Bronze Age Steppe admixture like Sardinians and Berbers (http://medias.unifrance.org/medias/206/35/9166/format_page/khorma-le-crieur-de-nouvelles.jpg).

[Proto-Shaman]

The ME was lighter in the past so it may have been present as an old Caucasoid gene but much of the red hair came from the ancient Iranics of central Asia.

Muslims loved to kidnap European women as well :curtain:

There is definitely nothing Iranic about it:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Weltkarte-Haarfarben.png

[Pahli]

There is definitely nothing Iranic about it:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Weltkarte-Haarfarben.png

It wasn't Iranic, yes, though the genetics were part of numerous Indo-European cultures that eventually formed the Indo-European ethnicities today (Like Iranian etc.)

[Fire Haired]

There is definitely nothing Iranic about it:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Weltkarte-Haarfarben.png

Where is that map from. Is it a reliable soure? like do they have confirmation of red hair in those locations.

[Fire Haired]

What about Sardinians? They are one of the darkest Europeans when it comes to eye and hair color and it woud be interesting to see what variants are present in populations with the least Bronze Age Steppe admixture like Sardinians and Berbers (http://medias.unifrance.org/medias/206/35/9166/format_page/khorma-le-crieur-de-nouvelles.jpg).


From the sources I've read Red Hair variants in Europe are at an all time low in Sardinia. The only variant found exists there is D294H(rs1805009 C).

In Pre-Historic Europeans Red Hair variants are lowest(only one carrier found so far)in Neolithic farmers, so no surprise there's very low red hair in Sardinia.

I read an old Italian study(Google translate) that did find Red hair in Sardinia and it was well under 1%.


Here's an example of a red haired Sardinian. She's has the whole package of traits: red hair, pale skin, and freckles.
http://www.lorenzobellu.com/sito/gallerie/eventi/2010%20-%20Sassari,%20Cavalcata%20Sarda/slides/_PLB5157.jpg

[redeyednewt]

From the sources I've read Red Hair variants in Europe are at an all time low in Sardinia. The only variant found exists there is D294H(rs1805009 C).

In Pre-Historic Europeans Red Hair variants are lowest(only one carrier found so far)in Neolithic farmers, so no surprise there's very low red hair in Sardinia.

I read an old Italian study(Google translate) that did find Red hair in Sardinia and it was well under 1%.


Here's an example of a red haired Sardinian. She's has the whole package of traits: red hair, pale skin, and freckles.
http://www.lorenzobellu.com/sito/gallerie/eventi/2010%20-%20Sassari,%20Cavalcata%20Sarda/slides/_PLB5157.jpg

There are people with red hair all over Italy in all sort of regions from the islands like Sardinia, Northern, central, and Southern Italy as well. There are also Greeks with red hair, and Arabs or people from the Levant who have red hair, it's not uncommon.

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[gıulıoımpa]

i believe it is an indipendent mutation (or rather mutationS because i seem to recall there are various genes relating to this)that can occur in every kind of population with skin tone under a certain level of intrisecate melanine(lighter).