Are your African and Amerindian/Asian scores from Gedmatch stable between calculators or no?

[Sikeliot]

I added up African components and Asian/Amerindian here for each one.
By African I mean SSA. I did not include Central/South Asian in the Asian/Amerindian.

I notice that the SSA is fairly stable, but Amerindian and Asian are not, which means it is more easily sucked into the European clusters, since Europeans share a lot more genes with them than with black Africans.

I did it for my mother since she is more non-Caucasoid than myself, and my scores are highly erratic. Even here, there is a wide variation.


Doug McDonald's estimate for reference

African: 3
Amerindian: <0.10

MDLP K23b:

African: 3.01
Amerindian/Asian: 2.21

Eurogenes K13

African: 2.48
Amerindian/Asian: 1.28

Eurogenes K15

African: 2.45
Amerindian/Asian: 0.63

Eurogenes ANE K7

African: 3.03
Amerindian/Asian: 0.52

Eurogenes K9b

African: 2.70
Amerindian/Asian: 3.49

Eurogenes K9

African: 2.02
Amerindian/Asian: 0.53

Eurogenes K10

African: 1.98
Amerindian/Asian: 0.41

Eurogenes K11

African: 1.93
Amerindian/Asian: 0

Eurogenes K12

African: 1.91
Amerindian/Asian: 0

Eurogenes K12b

African: 2.17
Amerindian/Asian: 0

Eurogenes Hunter-Gatherer:

African: 2.14
Amerindian/Asian: 0.28

JTest

African: 1.64
Amerindian/Asian: 0

EuTest

African: 1.69
Amerindian/Asian: 0

Dodecad V3

African: 2.20
Amerindian/Asian: 0

Dodecad Africa9

African: 2
Amerindian/Asian: N/A

Dodecad World9

African: 1.67
Amerindian/Asian: 1.07

Dodecad K7b

African: 1.62
Amerindian/Asian: 0.84

Dodecad K12

African: 1.80
Amerindian/Asian: 0.20

HarappaWorld

African: 1.80
Amerindian/Asian: 0.38

Ethiohelix + French

African: 2.82 (Omotic excluded)
Amerindian/Asian: N/A

Ethiohelix + Palestinian

African: 5.59 (Omotic excluded)
Amerindian/Asian: N/A

PuntDNA-L Eurasia

African: 3.14
Amerindian/Asian: 3.44

[Sikeliot]

Curious if anyone else has looked.

[Gooding]

Curious if anyone else has looked.

Yeah and I started my own thread about it because I couldn't find yours. I think I called it Too much research to waste or something.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?176387-Too-Much-Research-To-Waste

[Sikeliot]

Yeah and I started my own thread about it because I couldn't find yours. I Think I called it Too much research to waste or something.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?176387-Too-Much-Research-To-Waste

In some ways yours seem like noise levels, but I know on 23andme you got minor African so I suspect you might have a tiny bit, just less than what we have in my family. I sometimes score less than half of the SSA of my mother so it means if I have children it'll fade to noise levels.

[Petalpusher]

I get a bit of East asian in k13, k7 and k9b, NorthEast Asian + Native American wich might be some remnants of ANE, it could be the <0.1 "Broadly East asian" i have on 23&me spec. African i get none usually, except one, k23b which seems to be weird in the way it calculates African, i ve seen some kit scoring high N.African but no SSA, and people with low N.African but some SSA without known/recent ancestry.

k13
East_Asian 0.38%
Amerindian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15
Amerindian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -



k23b
Amerindian -
African_Pygmy -
Subsaharian 0.27%


k7
East_Eurasian 0.82%
West_African -
East_African -


K9B
Native_American 0.43%
Northeast_Asian 1.37%
South_African -
Sub-Saharan_African -


k12b
East African -
West African -
East Asian -


All others calc i get nothing

[Lawalye]

23andme

<0,1% broadly african

Dodecad K7B

African 0,09%

Dodecad K12B

African 0,11%

HarappaWorld

Beringian 0,08%
Pygmy 0,06%

Dodecad World9

African 0.09%
Amerindian 0.08%

PuntDNAL k10 + Eurasia

Amerinidian 2,17%
Omotic 1,09%
Sino-Tibetan 0,64%
Ubangian Congo 0,24%

MDLP World 22
African 0,24%

MDLP World

African 0,33%

MDLP K23b

Amerindian 0,72%

Dodecad Africa9

NW africa 3,26%
Mbuti 0,45%

EthioHelix K10+French

Omotic 3,31%
Hadza 0,31%

EUtest

WEST_AFRICAN 0.04%

Jtest

WEST_AFRICAN 0.04%

K13

Amerindian 1,17%
Oceanian 0,15%


K9, K10, Dodecad V3 : none

[Lawalye]

I hope that it will help you.

[Petalpusher]

23andme

<0,1% broadly african


23andme is really anal sometimes when it comes to these 0.1, your levels are clearly noise

[Lawalye]

Of course it's noise, it's why I wrote it.


I've seen some people, from the US or Canada, who considered the data as an absolute truth, because in the colonies their ancestors may have mixed whith africans and natives, in my case it's impossible. If for me it is just noise, it will be certainly the same thing for them.


I have 20% of british origin on 23andme, but none of my ancestors have put a foot in britain...

[Petalpusher]

Of course it's noise, it's why I wrote it.


I've seen some people, from the US or Canada, who considered the data as an absolute truth, because in the colonies their ancestors may have mixed whith africans and natives, in my case it's impossible. If for me it is just noise, it will be certainly the same thing for them.


I have 20% of british origin on 23andme, but none of my ancestors have put a foot in britain...

Sometimes it's not noise, just distant.

I have as much but for you it's normal, Belgians have a lot of overlap with UK. How much French/German do you get out of curiosity? I know Belgian score high usually because they basically have both sides at the same time.

[Gooding]

In some ways yours seem like noise levels, but I know on 23andme you got minor African so I suspect you might have a tiny bit, just less than what we have in my family. I sometimes score less than half of the SSA of my mother so it means if I have children it'll fade to noise levels.
I'm of the opinion that the Native American levels, although laughably small, might just be real rather than noise. I say that because my 0.2% Native American shows up in my Conservative readings on 23andMe and there's also records that show Acadian ancestors of mine marrying descendants of a Miq'maq spiritual leader who converted to Christianity. That goes all the way back to the 1600s, but the intermarriage had kept that genetic component stable enough to be passed down to me.http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mikmaq-6

[Sikeliot]

I'm of the opinion that the Native American levels, although laughably small, might just be real rather than noise. I say that because my 0.2% Native American shows up in my Conservative readings on 23andMe and there's also records that show Acadian ancestors of mine marrying descendants of a Miq'maq spiritual leader who converted to Christianity. That goes all the way back to the 1600s, but the intermarriage had kept that genetic component stable enough to be passed down to me.http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mikmaq-6

What do you make of the African?

[Gooding]

What do you make of the African?

Well, the Goodings were slaveholders back in the day. They didn't own hundreds of people at a time, but they did have a family or two in their " possession" every now and then. If the .02% goes back to ancestors in the early 1700s, it's perfectly possible that a Gooding male mated with a slave woman from East Africa ( I found that curious, that 23andme distinguished the East African from the Broadly Sub Saharan African). It needn't even have been a Gooding male. It could have been a male from the Daniels family ( Mary Elizabeth Daniels, my great- great grandmother, had very dark coloring indeed and her daughter took after her and my granddad took after his mother) who'd mated with an African woman.

[Sikeliot]

Well, the Goodings were slaveholders back in the day. They didn't own hundreds of people at a time, but they did have a family or two in their " possession" every now and then. If the .02% goes back to ancestors in the early 1700s, it's perfectly possible that a Gooding male mated with a slave woman from East Africa ( I found that curious, that 23andme distinguished the East African from the Broadly Sub Saharan African). It needn't even have been a Gooding male. It could have been a male from the Daniels family ( Mary Elizabeth Daniels, my great- great grandmother, had very dark coloring indeed and her daughter took after her and my granddad took after his mother) who'd mated with an African woman.

Wait, on 23andme you score East African??

I score West.

[Gooding]

Ancestry Composition tells you what percent of your DNA comes from each of 31 populations worldwide. This analysis includes DNA you received from all of your recent ancestors, on both sides of your family. The results reflect where your ancestors lived before the widespread migrations of the past few hundred years.

99.6% European

Northern European

56.5% British & Irish

16.0% French & German

3.3% Scandinavian

0.3% Finnish

22.2% Broadly Northern European

Southern European

0.3% Broadly Southern European

1.0% Broadly European

0.2% East Asian & Native American

0.2% Native American

0.2% Sub-Saharan African

0.1% East African

0.1% Broadly Sub-Saharan African

0.1% Unassigned

100% Andrew Gooding

That's me, according to analyses of a test tube in a 23andMe lab!

[Sikeliot]

I am surprised you'd get East African. I was going to suggest a slave ancestor from Mozambique or nearby (which did send many slaves to the US toward the end of the slave trade) but they usually come up part West African too, due to their Bantu origins.

[Gooding]

I am surprised you'd get East African. I was going to suggest a slave ancestor from Mozambique or nearby (which did send many slaves to the US toward the end of the slave trade) but they usually come up part West African too, due to their Bantu origins.

I'm thinking my slave ancestor was a Swahili from Zanzibar, probably sold to the British by Arab slavers.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zanzibar

[Gooding]

Bumpity- bump! I'll be playing reggae here in a minute..

[Sikeliot]

I'm thinking my slave ancestor was a Swahili from Zanzibar, probably sold to the British by Arab slavers.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zanzibar

I just would be unsure if they'd score "East African" when the East African sample on 23andme is Horn Africans. Swahili people are Bantu and should score Central/South or West African.

[Gooding]

I just would be unsure if they'd score "East African" when the East African sample on 23andme is Horn Africans. Swahili people are Bantu and should score Central/South or West African.

See, that I did not know. Somalia is the Horn of Africa, right? So I might have distant Somali ancestors ( at least in Speculative. The African vanishes when we do Standard and Conservative). Apparently at least one of them got caught and sold by slave traders. Of course, the other 0.1% of my 0.2% Sub Saharan African is " Broadly Sub- Saharan African," so who knows?

[Sikeliot]

See, that I did not know. Somalia is the Horn of Africa, right? So I might have distant Somali ancestors ( at least in Speculative. The African vanishes when we do Standard and Conservative). Apparently at least one of them got caught and sold by slave traders. Of course, the other 0.1% of my 0.2% Sub Saharan African is " Broadly Sub- Saharan African," so who knows?


I have sought to try to find out which region in Africa I have ancestors from, but it's difficult. Doug McDonald said it is probably from upper West Africa (Senegal, Ivory Coast area) and called it "Mandenka" and 23andme has me with West African, but on many calculators on GEDmatch, my mother scores more Khoisan/East Bantu/Pygmy type stuff than one would expect.

[Gooding]

Bumpity- bump! I'll be playing reggae here in a minute..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eksV02us5DQ

[Gooding]

I have sought to try to find out which region in Africa I have ancestors from, but it's difficult. Doug McDonald said it is probably from upper West Africa (Senegal, Ivory Coast area) and called it "Mandenka" and 23andme has me with West African, but on many calculators on GEDmatch, my mother scores more Khoisan/East Bantu/Pygmy type stuff than one would expect.

Yeah, gedmatch was pretty good for me, as well. I'm the only member of my family who cares enough about this sort of thing to spit into a test tube.

[Lawalye]

Sometimes it's not noise, just distant.

I have as much but for you it's normal, Belgians have a lot of overlap with UK. How much French/German do you get out of curiosity? I know Belgian score high usually because they basically have both sides at the same time.

27% for French and German on speculative :
59147

I've seen many results from germans and they had more "french and german".

The problem with french, it's that there are not enough people who have made genetic test.

It's seems to change, see : 59148

French is the 5th, this result changed so many time and it's the first time that France is on it.

[Gooding]

EthioHelix K10 + French Admixture Proportions

EthioHelix Africa K10 + French - French acts as a proxy for European ancestry in this case. Results are currently most meaningful for persons who are a mix of African and European. For more information, see the Blog Post. In particular, see the Africa_V2 run at the bottom of the page, as that is the specific run that these results are based on. That way, you can see the exact steps taken to achieve these results. Also, see the Gradient Maps to get a better picture of how the clusters are spatially distributed.

Kit Number: M372705 Iteration: 1000 Delta-Q: 1.732910e-03 Elapsed Time: 5.96 seconds




Population
Nilo-Saharan -
North-Africa 14.27%
Mbuti-Pygmy -
Eastern-Bantu -
Khoi-San -
West-Africa -
Hadza -
Biaka-Pygmy -
French 84.78%
Omotic 0.95%

[Sikeliot]

EthioHelix K10 + French Admixture Proportions

EthioHelix Africa K10 + French - French acts as a proxy for European ancestry in this case. Results are currently most meaningful for persons who are a mix of African and European. For more information, see the Blog Post. In particular, see the Africa_V2 run at the bottom of the page, as that is the specific run that these results are based on. That way, you can see the exact steps taken to achieve these results. Also, see the Gradient Maps to get a better picture of how the clusters are spatially distributed.

Kit Number: M372705 Iteration: 1000 Delta-Q: 1.732910e-03 Elapsed Time: 5.96 seconds




Population
Nilo-Saharan -
North-Africa 14.27%
Mbuti-Pygmy -
Eastern-Bantu -
Khoi-San -
West-Africa -
Hadza -
Biaka-Pygmy -
French 84.78%
Omotic 0.95%



Here is mine:

Population
North-Africa 18.62%
Khoi-San 0.86%
French 76.68%
Omotic 3.84%

And mom's"

Population
North-Africa 9.92%
Khoi-San 1.96%
Hadza 0.86%
French 84.00%
Omotic 3.26%


I suspect Khoisan here includes a lot of Southern Bantu because I doubt we could have genuine Khoisan ancestry. Probably Angolan or Mozambican.

[Gooding]

Here is mine:

Population
North-Africa 18.62%
Khoi-San 0.86%
French 76.68%
Omotic 3.84%

And mom's"

Population
North-Africa 9.92%
Khoi-San 1.96%
Hadza 0.86%
French 84.00%
Omotic 3.26%


I suspect Khoisan here includes a lot of Southern Bantu because I doubt we could have genuine Khoisan ancestry. Probably Angolan or Mozambican.
:lol: I'm not finding a lot of African on these global calculators, but the Amerindians are definitely making their presence felt!
MDLP World-22 Oracle results:
Kit M372705

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 49.09
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.13
3 West-Asian 6.42
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.92
5 Indo-Iranian 1.55
6 Near_East 1.21
7 Mesoamerican 0.47
8 Indian 0.46
9 North-Amerind 0.46
10 South-America_Amerind 0.46
11 Austronesian 0.42
12 Arctic-Amerind 0.41
13 Pygmy 0.02

[Sikeliot]

Why do I come up with Khoisan though?

Here are the results of some full Portuguese... IMO it has to be something genuine southern African since none of these come close to us..


Population
North-Africa 26.19%
Hadza 0.64%
French 69.82%
Omotic 3.35%



Population
North-Africa 20.44%
French 75.63%
Omotic 3.93%



and

Population
North-Africa 24.34%
French 72.96%
Omotic 2.69%

[Gooding]

Well, if you're of Cape Verdean descent, it would make sense for you to have West African blood, would it? I can't explain the Khoisan.

[Gooding]

I'll bump this up. Why not bring up the Native American/ Asian counts as well? Have they been stable?

[Sikeliot]

Well, if you're of Cape Verdean descent, it would make sense for you to have West African blood, would it? I can't explain the Khoisan.

The island my family came from also had Angolan slaves. It's only some of these calculators giving the southern African type stuff. Doug McDonald said 1.6% Mandinka for me.

[Sikeliot]

I'll bump this up. Why not bring up the Native American/ Asian counts as well? Have they been stable?

Not for me, no. I think in our case it is just something European that gets misinterpreted.

[Petalpusher]

27% for French and German on speculative :
59147

I've seen many results from germans and they had more "french and german".

The problem with french, it's that there are not enough people who have made genetic test.

It's seems to change, see : 59148

French is the 5th, this result changed so many time and it's the first time that France is on it.

Alright i thought it could be higher, a lot probably falls into "Broadly North Euro" for you, i get 23.7% French&German. There is another Belgian member around here, he gets more but have lower "British&Irish".

I agree, i made the same observations. Natives German always get more of this cluster, also France is far back as well in my "countries of ancestry"

[Gooding]

Not for me, no. I think in our case it is just something European that gets misinterpreted.

That's entirely possible. I've never encountered Dr. McDonald, but he sounds like someone who takes his work quite seriously and is rather good at it. I guess if you have Western Asian ancestry, there could be deep ancestry that could share something in common with modern day Asian and Amerind populations and it could be misread.

[Gooding]

I'll bump this up after coming in after work..

[Polak]

Bump.

My SSA is fairly stable, fluctuating between 1% and 1.5% on virtually every calculator. I am a Northern European, but I have Tatar, Jewish and quite likely Turkish/Ottoman ancestry as well.

[Dr_Maul]

I normally get 1-3% Siberian but always 0% East Asian and SE Asian

[El_Abominacion]

My SSA is always between 10-13%, Asian fluctuates a lot more