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European Knight
07-10-2015, 08:55 PM
The question is not whether Iran can be trusted to uphold the nuclear deal now being negotiated in Vienna (it can’t), but whether the Obama administration and its P5+1 partners can be trusted to punish Iran when it violates the agreement?

Experience shows that unless Iran violates the deal egregiously, the temptation will be to ignore it. For instance, Iran got away with selling more oil than it should have under the interim agreement. More ominously, Tehran repeatedly

pushed the envelope on technical aspects of the agreement—such as caps on its uranium stockpile—and got away with it. The Obama administration and other Western powers have so much invested in their diplomatic efforts that they’ll

deny such violations ever occurred.

More evidence of Iranian violations has now surfaced. Two reports regarding Iran's attempts to illicitly and clandestinely procure technology for its nuclear and ballistic missile programs have recently been published. They show that Iran's

procurement continues apace, if not faster than before the Joint Plan of Action was signed in November 2013. But fear of potentially embarrassing negotiators and derailing negotiations has made some states reluctant to report Tehran’s

illegal efforts. If these countries have hesitated to expose Iran during the negotiations, it is more likely they will refrain from reporting after a deal is struck.

Iran Made Illegal Purchases of Nuclear Weapons Technology Last Month | The Weekly Standard (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/iran-made-illegal-purchases-nuclear-weapons-technology-last-month_988067.html)


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N1019
07-14-2015, 02:30 AM
Oh, I think the P5+1 (US and UK in particular) can be trusted to "punish" (destroy) Iran for any number of infringements - real, imagined or falsified (false flag).

From the perspective of Iran, if they do end up with nukes, I'm afraid they are not going to save the regime if the empire wants to take it out. They are a waste of money and source of pain for the nation.

Nukes are generally seen as a deterrent, but as Noam Chomsky said, if Iran even began to load or arm a missile, the whole country would be vaporised by America in fifteen seconds. That is, in judging the effectiveness of deterrents like nukes, the overall strength of a country must still be taken into consideration. The mere presence of nukes doesn't guarantee national security. However, it would strengthen Iran's position within the MENA region as a form of deterrent against Anglo-American imperial action more generally, which is naturally not welcomed.

Alternatively, the plan might be to temporarily support the growth of Iran's capacity to project power within the region (nuke deal, money, weapons), and then use it against Iran in building a case for war when it starts projecting that power (again using real, imagined or false flag incidents).

Whatever scenario plays out, Iran loses. That's just the way it is.